If You De-Fanged And De-Clawed A Bear, Could A Man Beat Him Up?
Celebrity Perkoff Club
strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
I think Kimbo Slice is one of the few men that could take on a bear
and win.
Who else do you think could take on a bear and have a chance of
winning?
eightie...@yahoo.com
maxdaaxe, most definately.
Walter Mitty
Floyd Mayweather or Hopkins could bore it to death I suppose.
mwhaught
> If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
> strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
>
The last bear that I tried to defang and declaw kicked my ass before I
could finish.
-mwh
p.s. I did get him into the later rounds though.
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Chuck Norris, of course.
Walter Mitty
But would the bear take on Chuck? That is the question.
pmfan57
> "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> writes:
>
> > "Celebrity Perkoff Club" <perk...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:7cbf3761-05c7-413f...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
> >> strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
>
> >> I think Kimbo Slice is one of the few men that could take on a bear
> >> and win.
>
> >> Who else do you think could take on a bear and have a chance of
> >> winning?
>
> > Chuck Norris, of course.
>
> But would the bear take on Chuck? That is the question.
Very unlikely. Recall that Chuck put the laughter in manslaughter.
Baldoni
The comedian Jerry Lewis.
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Tim Tayshun
> Who else do you think could take on a bear and have a chance of
> winning?
A bigger bear.
ne...@millions.com
I weonder why a dog can tree a bear by just yapping away
and scampering circles around the bear?
DCI
u...@invalid.net
in article
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Celebrity Perkoff Club <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
>If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
>strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
Has anyone ever seen that series where they use CGI,
statistics, and modeling to determine which animal would win,
if they fought? Bears are _way_ more powerful than humans,
even without fangs and claws. If it was really trying to kill
him, a 10 foot grisley would fling Kimbo around like a
ragdoll, and crush his bones.
Bill Becker
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Its not gonna happen. 2 years from now, people gonna say, "Kimbo who???"
BAM
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It's a friggin' bear!!!
Don't be stupid. ALcohol kills brain cells. Just say "pass" and go on your
merry way.
BAM
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isaiah....@gmail.com
In the category of completely bizarre posts that have no business on
the group, I like the Sam's Club one better.
-Isaiah
Tim Tayshun
> I weonder why a dog can tree a bear by just yapping away
> and scampering circles around the bear?
The nature of the beast.
James L. Hankins
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>Very unlikely. Recall that Chuck put the laughter in manslaughter.
LOL! I don't care who you are, that there's funny.
ne...@millions.com
<timta...@thehotgirlzclub.net> wrote:
>ne...@millions.com wrote:
>
>> I wonder why a dog can tree a bear by just yapping away
>> and scampering circles around the bear?
>
>The nature of the beast.
The dog or the bear?
DCI
Wbs...@aol.com
> >ne...@millions.com wrote:
>
> >> I wonder why a dog can tree a bear by just yapping away
> >> and scampering circles around the bear?
>
> >The nature of the beast.
>
> The dog or the bear?
>
> DCI
I miss the old days, when someone would feel compelled to write that
Mike Tyson could KO the bear.
ne...@millions.com
<Wbs...@aol.com> wrote:
Without depending on the size of the bear, Mike Tyaon would best just
keep quiet.
DCI
Celebrity Perkoff Club
> Celebrity Perkoff Club <perk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
> >strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
>
> Has anyone ever seen that series where they use CGI,
> statistics, and modeling to determine which animal would win,
> if they fought? Bears are _way_ more powerful than humans,
> even without fangs and claws. If it was really trying to kill
> him, a 10 foot grisley would fling Kimbo around like a
> ragdoll, and crush his bones.
The bear might have the brawn but he doesn't have the brain. I think
a really big strong guy like Kimbo Slice could give a bear a run for
his money.
Celebrity Perkoff Club
> JUST STOP WITH THE KIMBO SLICE IS GREAT CRAP!!!!!!
>
> Its not gonna happen. 2 years from now, people gonna say, "Kimbo who???"
>
>
I'd like to see you say that to Kimbos face, than we'd be like "Who's
that bloody guy curled up in a ball on the ground?"
ne...@millions.com
Let's see if I understand the brawn/brain issue. A man, say Kimbo
Slice, get's into a ring to test the brains and brawn of a bear. The
question is: who really has the brains?
DCI
MAXdaAXEjd
> If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
> strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
>
> and win.
>
> Who else do you think could take on a bear and have a chance of
> winning?
simple answer , depends on the size of the bear..
no way a man could beat a grizzley bear or polar bear
Celebrity Perkoff Club
Obviously a man is smarter than a bear.
Duh.
Matthew Fraser
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> If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
> strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
>
Stanley Moore
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How smart is it to get into a ring with a bear? Not very IMHO. Take care
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"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
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edbert
>and scampering circles around the bear?
Call it the Matt Serra approach.
edbert
Generally speaking yes, but we're talking about Kimbo here.
>Duh.
Oh, I see you were too, nevermind.
Celebrity Perkoff Club
> "CelebrityPerkoffClub" <perk...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:0938493f-60ad-499a...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 8, 11:27 pm, ne...@millions.com wrote:
> >> On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:20:59 -0700 (PDT), CelebrityPerkoffClub
>
> >> <perk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 8, 6:07 pm, u...@invalid.net wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 8 May 2008 03:39:54 -0700 (PDT),
> >> >> in article
> >> >> <7cbf3761-05c7-413f-a80e-8c2756085...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> >> >If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
> >> >> >strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
>
> >> >> Has anyone ever seen that series where they use CGI,
> >> >> statistics, and modeling to determine which animal would win,
> >> >> if they fought? Bears are _way_ more powerful than humans,
> >> >> even without fangs and claws. If it was really trying to kill
> >> >> him, a 10 foot grisley would fling Kimbo around like a
> >> >> ragdoll, and crush his bones.
>
> >> >The bear might have the brawn but he doesn't have the brain. I think
> >> >a really big strong guy like Kimbo Slice could give a bear a run for
> >> >his money.
>
> >> Let's see if I understand the brawn/brain issue. A man, say Kimbo
> >> Slice, get's into a ring to test the brains and brawn of a bear. The
> >> question is: who really has the brains?
>
> > Obviously a man is smarter than a bear.
>
> > Duh.
>
> How smart is it to get into a ring with a bear? Not very IMHO. Take care
> -
A human is smarter than a bear, DUH!
ne...@millions.com
. . . and thus would avoid getting in the ring with a bear.
DCI
u...@invalid.net
<5c7a8d11-957a-4ad1...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Celebrity Perkoff Club <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
>The bear might have the brawn but he doesn't have the brain. I think
>a really big strong guy like Kimbo Slice could give a bear a run for
>his money.
Maybe some 300 lb. bear that's 25 years old, and has been
working in a petting zoo. A 1,000 lb. grisly, or polar bear
in prime? No way.
u...@invalid.net
in article
<0938493f-60ad-499a...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Celebrity Perkoff Club <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not if the man gets into a ring to test the bear.
u...@invalid.net
in article <ohk7245cg0ul6elje...@4ax.com>,
ne...@millions.com wrote:
>Let's see if I understand the brawn/brain issue. A man, say Kimbo
>Slice, get's into a ring to test the brains and brawn of a bear. The
>question is: who really has the brains?
>
>DCI
LoL
u...@invalid.net
in article <5aadnUP3PIr3CL7V...@comcast.com>,
"----------------------" <B...@hurt.com> wrote:
>JUST STOP WITH THE KIMBO SLICE IS GREAT CRAP!!!!!!
>
>Its not gonna happen. 2 years from now, people gonna say, "Kimbo who???"
>
>BAM
It's not as bad as the Brock Lesnar Hype.
u...@invalid.net
in article
<75b02400-e14b-46af...@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
MAXdaAXEjd <johnda...@cox.net> wrote:
To tell you the truth, I don't think there's anyone who could
withstand a raging chimpanzee. They're also like several
times stronger, and they attack with wild and crazy fury. I
saw a show about that, where they said Chimps will rip your
balls off, and take them away....seriously.
Stanley Moore
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I never heard of a bear, no matter how old and feeble, working in a petting
zoo. In any case I'd be wary of any bear of any age or condition. A bear
that weighed the same as me would be formidable indeed. Those animals are
very strong and ill tempered to boot. Take care
Stanley Moore
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I think a chimp can rip your arm off and beat you to death with it And they
are much smaller than a grown man as a rule. Take care
mwhaught
>
> To tell you the truth, I don't think there's anyone who could
> withstand a raging chimpanzee. They're also like several
> times stronger, and they attack with wild and crazy fury. I
> saw a show about that, where they said Chimps will rip your
> balls off, and take them away....seriously.
Which is the single biggest reason that I quit hanging out in chimp bars.
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ne...@millions.com
Do you really believe or even know of a petting zoo that provides a
bear as an attraction?
DCI
ne...@millions.com
wrote:
>On May 9 2008 5:22 PM, ufc wrote:
>>
>> To tell you the truth, I don't think there's anyone who could
>> withstand a raging chimpanzee. They're also like several
>> times stronger, and they attack with wild and crazy fury. I
>> saw a show about that, where they said Chimps will rip your
>> balls off, and take them away....seriously.
>
>Which is the single biggest reason that I quit hanging out in chimp bars.
>
> -mwh
>
And that does take a bit of smarts to figure that one.
DCI
Tim Tayshun
Tim Tayshun
> Let's see if I understand the brawn/brain issue. A man, say Kimbo
> Slice, get's into a ring to test the brains and brawn of a bear. The
> question is: who really has the brains?
The bear.
pmfan57
>
> I think a chimp can rip your arm off and beat you to death with it And they
> are much smaller than a grown man as a rule. Take care
> --
Cheetah from the Tarzan movies was a baby chimp. Adult chimps are big
and VERY strong and dangerous. As you said, no human could beat one
in a fight. Well, other than Chuck Norris.
Stanley Moore
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According to this link:
http://pin.primate.wisc.edu/factsheets/entry/chimpanzee/taxon
male chimpanzees average 88 to 132# and average 2 ft 8 in or so in height.
That is considerable smaller than an adult human. But their strength is
incredible. I expect it has to do with ligaments, bone length, muscle
attachments etc. Plus they are very aggressive and dangeraous.... touchy
too. You are not supposed to look them directly in the face lest they attack
you for not showing "respect" IOW submission. Even a Texas Ranger might have
trouble with one <G>Take care
Stanley Moore
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I agree the bear will have the brains, ....... liver, kidneys, bones and
muscle. Yummie bear. <G>
The Sanity Cruzer
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> On May 9 2008 5:22 PM, ufc wrote:
>>
>> To tell you the truth, I don't think there's anyone who could
>> withstand a raging chimpanzee. They're also like several
>> times stronger, and they attack with wild and crazy fury. I
>> saw a show about that, where they said Chimps will rip your
>> balls off, and take them away....seriously.
>
> Which is the single biggest reason that I quit hanging out in chimp bars.
And didn't you end up with a few of the ugly ones? ;->
I always got the good looking ones.
People used to gasp when strangers came into the chimp bar and hit on the
good looking ones, "Hey, friend. You'd best stay away from her (him?).
That one is Sanity's chimp.
Celebrity Perkoff Club
That wasn't the hypothetical question I asked.
If you have nothing to add to this thread but these lame troll
attempts please leave. This thread is for serious discussion only.
ne...@millions.com
Oh, I'm sorry. Carry on with your serious discussion about
a bout between a bear and a man.
DCI
u...@invalid.net
in article <ljk924hb59lefl1lo...@4ax.com>,
ne...@millions.com wrote:
Exactly.
edbert
>incredible. I expect it has to do with ligaments, bone length, muscle
>attachments etc.
As a general rule that is true or most of the aninaml kingdom. Man is
a truly weak animal, take away the fangs and claws, we still have no
strength or speed.
In fact the greateest atheletes in the world pale in comparison to
other mamals. A simple housecat can jump 7-10X their height without
even a running start. If humans did not have intellect to fashion
weapons then even our opposable thimb would not have saved us from
extinction.
Greendistantstar
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> If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
> strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
>
> and win.
>
> Who else do you think could take on a bear and have a chance of
> winning?
Your mother.
--
GDS
"Let's roll!"
YumYumPandaburger
> If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
> strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
>
> I think Kimbo Slice is one of the few men that could take on a bear
> and win.
>
> Who else do you think could take on a bear and have a chance of
> winning?
Short answer:
Yes.
Long answer:
Bear
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For other uses, see Bear (disambiguation).
Bear
Fossil range: Early Miocene - Recent
Brown bear at the Pyrenees Animal Park.
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Carnivora
Suborder: Caniformia
Superfamily: Ursoidea
Family: Ursidae
G. Fischer de Waldheim, 1817
Genera
Ailuropoda
Helarctos
Melursus
Ursus
Tremarctos
Agriarctos †
Amphicticeps †
Amphicynodon †
Arctodus †
Cephalogale †
Indarctos †
Parictis †
Plionarctos †
Ursavus †
Kolponomos †
Bears (family Ursidae) are mammals in the order Carnivora. Bears are
classified as caniforms, or doglike carnivorans, with the pinnipeds
being their closest living relatives. Although there are only eight
living species of bear, they are widespread, appearing in a wide
variety of habitats throughout the Northern Hemisphere and partially
in the Southern Hemisphere.
Common characteristics of modern bears include a large body with
stocky legs, a long snout, shaggy hair, plantigrade paws with five
nonretractile claws, and a short tail. While the polar bear is mostly
carnivorous and the giant panda feeds almost entirely on bamboo, the
remaining six species are omnivorous, with largely varied diets
including both plants and animals.
With the exceptions of courting individuals and mothers with their
young, bears are typically solitary animals. They are sometimes
diurnal, but are usually active during the night (nocturnal) or
twilight (crepuscular). Bears are aided by an excellent sense of
smell, and despite their heavy build and awkward gait, they can run
quickly and are adept climbers and swimmers. Bears use shelters such
as caves and burrows as their dens, which are occupied by most species
during the winter for a long period of sleep similar to hibernation.
Bears have been hunted since prehistoric times for their meat and fur.
To this day, they play a prominent role in the arts, mythology, and
other cultural aspects of various human societies. In modern times,
the bear's existence has been pressured through the encroachment of
their habitats and the illegal trade of bears and bear parts,
including the Asian bile bear market. The IUCN lists six bear species
as vulnerable or endangered, and even "least concern" species such as
the brown bear are at risk of extirpation in certain countries. The
poaching and international trade of these most threatened populations
is prohibited, but still ongoing.
Contents [hide]
1 Biology
1.1 Reproduction
1.2 Dentition
1.3 Winter dormancy
2 Relationship with humans
2.1 Bears as food and medicine
3 Classification
4 Evolutionary relationships
5 Culture
5.1 Myth and legend
5.2 Heraldry and other symbolic use
5.3 Figures of speech
5.4 Teddy bears
5.5 Names
6 References
7 Further reading
8 See also
9 External links
Biology
Grizzly bears
Reproduction
The bear's courtship period is very brief. Bears in northern climates
reproduce seasonally, usually after a period of inactivity similar to
hibernation, although tropical species breed all year round. Cubs are
born toothless, blind, and bald. The cubs of brown bears, usually born
in litters of 1–3, will typically stay with the mother for two full
seasons. They feed on their mother's milk through the duration of
their relationship with their mother, although as the cubs continue to
grow, nursing becomes less frequent and learn to begin hunting with
the mother. They will remain with the mother for approximately three
years, until she enters the next cycle of estrus and drives the cubs
off. Bears will reach sexual maturity in five to seven years.
Dentition
Unlike most other members of the Carnivora, bears have relatively
undeveloped carnassial teeth, and their teeth are adapted for a diet
that includes a significant amount of vegetable matter. The canine
teeth are large, and the molar teeth flat and crushing. There is
considerable variation in dental formula even within a given species.
It has been suggested that this indicates bears are still in the
process of evolving from a carnivorous to a predominantly herbivorous
diet. Polar bears appear to have secondarily re-evolved fully
functional carnassials, as their diet has switched back towards
carnivory.[1] The dental formula for living bears is:
3.1.2-4.2
3.1.2-4.3
Winter dormancy
Many bears of northern regions are assumed to hibernate in the winter.
While many bear species do go into a physiological state called
hibernation or winter sleep, it is not true hibernation. In true
hibernators, body temperatures drop to near ambient and heart rate
slows drastically, but the animals periodically rouse themselves to
urinate or defecate and to eat from stored food. The body temperature
of bears, on the other hand, drops only a few degrees from normal and
heart rate slows only slightly. They normally do not wake during this
"hibernation", and therefore do not eat, drink, urinate or defecate
the entire period. Higher body heat and being easily roused may be
adaptations, because females give birth to their cubs during this
winter sleep. It can therefore be considered a more efficient form of
hibernation[citation needed] because they need not awake through the
entire period, but they are more quickly and easily awakened at the
end of their hibernation. They have to stay in a den for the whole
hibernation.
Relationship with humans
See also: Bear danger
Polar bear at Wapusk National Park, CanadaSome of the larger species,
such as the polar bear and the grizzly bear, are dangerous to humans,
especially in areas where they have become used to people. On the west
coast of Canada, the American black bear has become an integral part
of the silviculture industries, specifically treeplanting. The bears
are coaxed into areas of harvested forest to "flush out" the other
wildlife, i.e. moose, which are a far greater threat to planters. For
the most part, bears are shy and are easily frightened of humans. They
will, however, defend their cubs ferociously if a situation calls for
it.
Laws have been passed in many areas of the world to protect bears from
hunters or habitat destruction. Bears in captivity have been trained
to dance, box, or ride bicycles; however, this use of the animals
became controversial in the late 20th century.
Bears as food and medicine
Many people enjoy hunting bears and eating them. Their meat is dark
and stringy, like a tough cut of beef. In Cantonese cuisine, bear paws
are considered a delicacy. The peoples of China, Japan, and Korea use
bears' body parts and secretions (notably their gallbladders and bile)
as part of traditional Chinese medicine. It is believed more than
12,000 bile bears are kept on farms, farmed for their bile, in China,
Vietnam and South Korea.[2] Bear meat must be cooked thoroughly as it
can often be infected with trichinellosis. [3] [4] [5]
Classification
Giant Panda, "Tian Tian"
A Syrian (Brown) Bear in the Jerusalem Biblical Zoo
Asiatic Black Bear at the Wrocław Zoo, PolandFamily Ursidae
Subfamily Ailuropodinae
Giant Panda, Ailuropoda melanoleuca
Dwarf Panda, Ailuropoda minor (extinct)
Subfamily Tremarctinae
Spectacled Bear, Tremarctos ornatus
Florida Cave Bear, Tremarctos floridanus (extinct)
Giant Short-Faced Bear, Arctodus simus (extinct)
Short-Faced Bear, Arctodus pristinus (extinct)
Brazilian Short-Faced Bear, Arctotherium brasilense (extinct)
Argentine Short-Faced Bear, Arctotherium latidens (extinct)
Subfamily Ursinae
Brown Bear, Ursus (Ursus) arctos
Subspecies Syrian (Brown) Bear Ursus arctos syriacus
Subspecies Grizzly Bear, Ursus arctos horribilis
Subspecies Kodiak Bear, Ursus arctos middendorffi
Subspecies Himalayan Brown Bear and Himalayan Red Bear, Ursus arctos
isabellinus
Subspecies Himalayan Blue Bear, Ursus arctos pruinosus
Subspecies Bergman's Bear, Ursus arctos piscator (extinct?)
Gobi bear, Ursus arctos gobiensis (very rare)
Atlas Bear, Ursus arctos crowtheri (extinct)
American Black Bear, Ursus (Ursus) americanus
Subspecies Cinnamon Bear, Ursus americanus cinnamomum
Subspecies Kermode Bear, Ursus americanus kermodie
Polar Bear, Ursus maritimus
Asiatic Black Bear, Ursus (Selenarctos) thibetanus
Formosan Black Bear, Ursus thibetanus formosanus
Ursus thibetanus gedrosianus
Ursus thibetanus japonica
Ursus thibetanus laniger
Ursus thibetanus mupinensis
Ursus thibetanus thibetanus
Ursus thibetanus ussuricu
Sloth Bear, Melursus ursinus
Subspecies Sri Lankan Sloth Bear Melursus ursinus inornatus
Subspecies Indian Sloth Bear Melursus ursinus ursinus
Sun Bear, Helarctos malayanus
Subspecies Borneo Sun Bear Helarctos malayanus euryspilus
Auvergne Bear, Ursus minimus (extinct)
Etruscan Bear, Ursus etruscus (extinct)
European Cave Bear, Ursus spelaeus (extinct)
MacFarlane's Bear, Ursus (Vetularctos) inopinatus (cryptid; if a good
species, extinct)
The genera Melursus and Helarctos are sometimes also included in
Ursus. The Asiatic black bear and the polar bear used to be placed in
their own genera, Selenarctos and Thalarctos which are now placed at
subgenus rank.
A number of hybrids have been bred between American black, brown, and
polar bears (see Ursid hybrids).
Evolutionary relationships
The Ursidae family belongs to the order Carnivora and is one of nine
families in the suborder Caniformia, or "doglike" carnivorans. Bears'
closest living relatives are the pinnipeds, a clade of three families:
Odobenidae (the walrus), Otariidae (fur seals and sea lions), and
Phocidae (true or earless seals). Bears comprise eight species in
three subfamilies: Ailuropodinae (monotypic with the giant panda),
Tremarctinae (monotypic with the Spectacled Bear), and Ursinae
(containing six species divided into one to three genera, depending
upon authority).
The origins of Ursidae can be traced back to the very small and
graceful Parictis that had a skull only 7 cm (3 in) long. Parictis
first occur in North America in the Late Eocene (ca. 38 million years
ago), but this genus did not appear in Eurasia and Africa until the
Miocene.[6] The raccoon-sized, dog-like Cephalogale, however, is
widely regarded as the most primitive ursid and is ideally suited as a
representative basal taxon for the family. Cephalogale first appeared
during the middle Oligocene and early Miocene (approximately 20-30
million years ago) in Europe. Cephalogale gave rise to a lineage of
early bears of the genus Ursavus. This genus radiated in Asia and
ultimately gave rise to the first true bears (genus Ursus) in Europe,
5 million years ago. Even among its primitive species, such as C.
minor, it exhibits typical ursid synapomorphic dentition such as
posteriorly oriented M2 postprotocrista molars, elongated m2 molars,
and a reduction of the premolars. Living members of the ursids are
morphologically well defined by their hypocarnivorous (non-strictly
meat-eating) dentitions, but fossil ursids include hypercarnivorous
(strictly meat-eating) taxa, although they never achieved the extreme
hypercarnivory seen in mustelids. Cephalogale was a mesocarnivore
(intermediate meat-eater).[7] Other extinct bear genera include
Arctodus, Agriarctos, Plionarctos and Indarctos.
It is uncertain whether ursids were in Asia during the late Eocene,
although there is some suggestion that a limited immigration from Asia
may have produced Parictis in North America due to the major sea level
lowstand at ca. 37 Ma, but no Parictis fossils have yet to be found in
East Asia. Ursids did, however, become very diversified in Asia later
during the Oligocene. Four genera representing two subfamilies
(Amphicynodontinae and Hemicyoninae) have been discovered in the
Oligocene of Asia: Amphicticeps, Amphicynodon, Pachycynodon, and
Cephalogale. Amphicticeps is endemic from Asia and the other three
genera are common to both Asia and Europe. This indicates migration of
ursids between Asia and Europe during the Oligocene and migration of
several taxa from Asia to North America likely occurred later during
the late Oligocene or early Miocene. Although Amphicticeps is
morphologically closely related to Allocyon, and also to Kolponomos of
North America, no single genus of the Ursidae is known to be common to
both Eurasia and North America. Cephalogale, however, do appear in
North America in the early Miocene. It is interesting to note that
rodents, such as Haplomys and Pseudotheridomys (late Oligocene) and
Plesiosminthus and Palaeocastor (early Miocene), are common to both
Asia and North America and this indicates that faunal exchange did
occur between Asia and North America during the late Oligocene to
early Miocene. Ursid migration from Asia to North America would
therefore have also been very likely to occur during this time.[8]
Three major carnivoran migrations between Eurasia and North America
are recognized in the late Neogene that definitely included ursids.
The first around 20 Ma (probably 21–18 Ma) were waves of intermittent
dispersals that included Amphicynodon, Cephalogale and Ursavus. The
second migration occurred at about 7–8 Ma and included Agriotherium.
And the last wave took place in the early Pliocene 4 Ma with Ursus.[9]
The giant panda's taxonomy has long been debated. Its original
classification by Armand David in 1869 was within the bear genus
Ursus, but in 1870 it was reclassified by Alphonse Milne-Edwards to
the raccoon family.[10] In recent studies, the majority of DNA
analyses suggest that the giant panda has a much closer relationship
to other bears and should be considered a member of the family Ursidae.
[11] The status of the red panda remains uncertain, but many experts,
including Wilson and Reeder, classify it as a member of the bear
family. Others place it with the raccoons in Procyonidae or in its own
family, the Ailuridae. Multiple similarities between the two pandas,
including the presence of false thumbs, are thought to represent
convergent evolution for feeding primarily on bamboo.
There is also evidence that, unlike their neighbours elsewhere, the
brown bears of Alaska's ABC islands are more closely related to polar
bears than they are to other brown bears in the world. Researchers
Gerald Shields and Sandra Talbot of the University of Alaska Fairbanks
Institute of Arctic Biology studied the DNA of several samples of the
species and found that their DNA is different from that of other brown
bears. The researchers discovered that their DNA was unique compared
to brown bears anywhere else in the world. The discovery has shown
that while all other brown bears share a brown bear as their closest
relative, those of Alaska's ABC Islands differ and share their closest
relation with the polar bear.[12] There is also supposed to be a very
rare large bear in China called the blue bear, which presumably is a
type of black bear. This animal has never been photographed.
Culture
Myth and legend
"En uheldig bjørnejakt" (An Unfortunate Bear Hunt) by Theodor
Kittelsen.Some evidence has been brought to light on prehistoric bear
worship, see Arctic, Arcturus, Great Bear, Berserker, Kalevala.
Anthropologists such as Joseph Campbell have regarded this as a common
feature in most of the fishing and hunting-tribes. The prehistoric
Finns, along with most Finno-Ugric peoples, considered the bear as the
spirit of one's forefathers. This is why the bear was a greatly
respected animal, with several euphemistic names.
This kind of attitude is reflected in the traditional Russian fairy
tale "Morozko", whose arrogant protagonist Ivan tries to kill a mother
bear and her cubs - and is punished and humbled by having his own head
turned magically into a bear's head and being subsequently shunned by
human society.
There has been evidence about early bear worship in China and among
the Ainu culture as well. In the Korean mythology, Korean people
identifies bear as their ancestor and symbolic animal.
In addition, the Proto-Indo-European word for bear, *hr̥ktos
(ancestral to the Greek arktos, Latin ursus, Welsh arth (cf. Arthur),
Sanskrit *ṛkṣa, Hittite hartagga) seems to have been subject to taboo
deformation or replacement (as was the word for wolf, wlkwos),
resulting in the use of numerous unrelated words with meanings like
"brown one" (English bruin) and "honey-eater" (Slavic medved). Thus
four separate Indo-European language groups do not share the same PIE
root. The theory of the bear taboo is taught to almost all beginning
students of Indo-European and historical linguistics; the putative
original PIE word for bear is itself descriptive, because a cognate
word in Sanskrit is rakshas, meaning "harm, injury".[13]
The saddled "bear of St. Corbinian" the emblem of Freising, here
incorporated in the arms of Pope Benedict XVIIn the arms of the
bishopric of Freising (illustration, right) the bear is the dangerous
totem animal tamed by St. Corbinian and made to carry his civilised
baggage over the mountains: the allegory of the civilising influence
of Christianity is inescapable. A bear also features prominently in
the legend of St. Romedius, who is also said to have tamed one of
these animals and had the same bear carry him from his hermitage in
the mountains to the city of Trento.
Imaginary bears are a popular feature of many children's stories
including Goldilocks and the Three Bears, the Berenstein Bears, and
Winnie the Pooh.
The constellations Ursa Major and Ursa Minor represent bears.
Heraldry and other symbolic use
The bear is a common charge in heraldry. Numerous cities around the
world have adopted the bear in their arms, notably the Swiss capital
Bern, which takes its name from the German for bear, Bär. The bear is
also the name-emblem of Berlin Bärlein meaning small bear. Bears are a
common symbol of heraldry (e.g. Rawa Coat of Arms, Bernhardt coat of
arms). In Switzerland, heraldic bears had to be painted with bright
red penises, or be mocked for using she-bears. The ommission of this
led to a war in 1579 between St. Gallen and the canton of Appenzell.
[14]
The flag of California, first flown in 1846 during the Bear Flag
Revolt, charged with naturalistic depiction of a subspecies of grizzly
bear.
Arms of Bern, Switzerland
Arms of Berlin, Germany
Rawa arms, Poland
Arms of Dietingen, Germany
Arms of Portein, Switzerland
Demi-bear in the arms of Zweisimmen, Switzerland
Bear in the arms of Warwickshire, England
A polar bear in the arms of Greenland
Arms of Madrid, Spain
The bear is a common National personification for Russia (as well as
the Soviet Union) and even Germany. The brown bear is Finland's
national animal. In the United States, the black bear is the state
animal of Louisiana, New Mexico, and West Virginia; the grizzly bear
is the state animal of both Montana and California.
Also, "bear", "bruin", or specific types of bears are popular
nicknames or mascots, e.g. for sports teams (Chicago Bears, Boston
Bruins); and a bear cub was mascot of the 1980 Summer Olympics in
Moscow, USSR.
Smokey Bear has become a part of American culture since his
introduction in 1944. Known to almost all Americans, he and his
message, "Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires" (updated in 2001 to "Only
You Can Prevent Wildfires") has been a symbol of preserving woodlands.
[15] Smokey wears a hat similar to one worn by many U.S. state police
officers, giving rise to the CB slang "bear" or "Smokey" for the
highway patrol.
The British Lion, the Persian Cat and the Russian Bear (see The Great
Game)
Smokey Bear
Misha, mascot of the 1980 Moscow Olympic Games, by Victor Chizhikov
"The Three Bears", Arthur Rackham's illustration to English Fairy
Tales, by Flora Annie Steel
Figures of speech
The physical attributes and behaviours of bears are commonly used in
figures of speech in English. In the stock market, a bear market is a
period of declining prices. Pessimistic forecasting or negative
activity is said to be bearish (due to the stereotypical posture of
bears looking downwards), and one who expresses bearish sentiment is a
bear. Its opposite is a bull market, and bullish sentiment from bulls.
In gay slang, the term "bear" refers to male individuals who possess
physical attributes much like a bear, such as a heavy build, abundant
body hair, and commonly facial hair. To "try like a bear" means to try
your hardest to catch the attention of a certain lady. The harder you
try, the better the bear you are. A bear hug is typically a tight hug
that involves wrapping one's arms around another person, often leaving
that person's arms immobile. It was used in the Ronald Reagan
political ad "Bear in the woods."
"Bear tracking"
In the old Western states of the U.S. and to this day in the former
Dakota Territory, the expression, "You ain't just a bear trackin'.",
is used to mean "You ain't lying." or "That's for sure." or "You're
not just blowing smoke." This expression evolved as an outgrowth of
the experience pioneer hunters and mountainmen had when tracking bear.
Bears often lay down false tracks and are notorious for doubling back
on anything tracking them. If you are not following bear tracks, you
are not following false trails or leads in your thoughts, words or
deeds.
Teddy bears
Main article: Teddy Bear
Around the world many children have stuffed animals in the form of
bears.
Names
In Scandinavia the word for bear is Björn (or Bjørn), and is a
relatively common given name for males. The use of this name is
ancient and has been found mentioned in several rune stone
inscriptions.[16] The name was also used by J.R.R. Tolkien in his book
"The Hobbit", where a bear-like character is named Beorn.
The female first name "Ursula", originally derived from a Christian
saint's name and common in English- and German-speaking countries,
means "Little she-bear" (dimunitive of Latin "ursa"). In Switzerland
the male first name "Urs" is especially popular.
In Russian and other Slavic languages, the word for bear,
"Medved" (медведь), and variants or derivatives such as Medvedev are
common surnames.
In East European Jewish communities, the name "Ber" (בער) - Yiddish
cognate of "Bear" - has been attested as a common male first name, at
least since the 18th century, and was among others the name of several
prominent Rabbis. The Yiddish "Ber" is still in use among Orthodox
Jewish communities in Israel, the US and other countries.
With the transition from Yiddish to Hebrew under the influence of
Zionism, the Hebrew word for "bear", "Dov" (דב), was taken up in
contemporary Israel and is at present among the commonly used male
first names in that country.
References
^ Bunnell, Fred (1984). in Macdonald, D.: The Encyclopedia of Mammals.
New York: Facts on File, 87. ISBN 0-87196-871-1.
^ BBC Test kit targets cruel bear trade.
^ Trichinellosis Associated with Bear Meat. Retrieved on 2006-10-04.
^ BBC News - Bear meat poisoning in Siberia. Retrieved on 2006-10-04.
^ Finnish Food Safety Authority: Bear meat must be inspected before
serving in restaurants. Retrieved on 2006-10-04.
^ Kemp, T.S. (2005). The Origin and Evolution of Mammals. Oxford
University Press. ISBN 0198507607.
^ Wang, Xiaoming, Malcolm C. McKenna, and Demberelyin Dashzeveg
(2005). "Amphicticeps and Amphicynodon (Arctoidea, Carnivora) from
Hsanda Gol Formation, Central Mongolia and Phylogeny of Basal Arctoids
with Comments on Zoogeography". American Museum Novitates (3483):
57.
^ Wang Banyue and Qiu Zhanxiang (2005). "Notes on Early Oligocene
Ursids (Carnivora, Mammalia) from Saint Jacques, Nei Mongol, China".
Bulletin of the American Museum of Natural History (279): 116-124.
^ Qiu Zhanxiang (2003). "Dispersals of Neogene Carnivorans between
Asia and North America". Bulletin American Museum of Natural History
(279): 18-31.
^ Lindburg, Donald G. (2004). Giant Pandas: Biology and Conservation,
pp. 7-9. University of California Press
^ Olaf R. P. Bininda-Emonds. "Phylogenetic Position of the Giant
Panda". In Lindburg, Donald G. (2004) Giant Pandas: Biology and
Conservation, pp. 11-35. University of California Press
^ The Brown Bear: Father of the Polar Bear?, Alaska Science Forum
^ The Brown One, The Honey Eater, The Shaggy Coat, The Destroyer
^ Brown, Gary (1996). Great Bear Almanac, pp.340. ISBN 1558214747.
^ Ad Council : Forest Fire Prevention - Smokey Bear (1944-Present)
^ http://hildebrand.raa.se/arkeologi/uppland.asp
Further reading
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Wikibooks' Dichotomous Key has more about this subject:
UrsidaeBears of the World, Terry Domico, Photographs by Terry Domico
and Mark Newman, Facts on File, Inc, 1988, hardcover, ISBN
0-8160-1536-8
The Bear by William Faulkner
Brunner, Bernd: Bears - A Brief History. New Haven and London: Yale
University Press, 2007
See also
Animal
Bear hunting
Celebrity bears
International Bear Association (IBA)
List of fatal bear attacks in North America by decade
List of fictional bears
List of historical bears
List of mammals
Mammal
Mammal classification
"Bear", famous Ronald Reagan anti-Soviet campaign ad
Manbearpig
Sankebetsu brown bear incident
"The Three Bears"
External links
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pmfan57
> "pmfan57" <jwrag...@aol.com> wrote in message
I didn't say they were as big as humans, but much bigger than
Cheetah. And, as you said, VERY dangerous, except to Chuck Norris.
Spob
> If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
> strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
>
> I think Kimbo Slice is one of the few men that could take on a bear
> and win.
>
> Who else do you think could take on a bear and have a chance of
> winning?
Kimbo's size wouldn't do him any good. He's a relatively big, tough
guy compared to the man on the street but he isn't super strong even
by human standards. You think he'd get past the first round of a
strongman competition? He's going to look like a little kid to a bear.
Even without fangs and claws, no man is going win by trying to stand
toe to toe with an animal that can be 5 or more times his size, he'd
need to be fast and know where to hurt the bear - I would think go for
the eyes primarily, just like with a human. Once the bear is blinded
and in agonizing pain, someone who knew what they were doing could
possibly inflict lethal injury on him, probably by suffocation, a/or
strikes to vulnerable cranial spots.
Bayer N. Woods
> Even without fangs and claws, no man is going win by trying to stand
> toe to toe with an animal that can be 5 or more times his size, he'd
> need to be fast and know where to hurt the bear - I would think go for
> the eyes primarily, just like with a human. Once the bear is blinded
> and in agonizing pain, someone who knew what they were doing could
> possibly inflict lethal injury on him, probably by suffocation, a/or
> strikes to vulnerable cranial spots.
TKO from a "bear hug"?
Perkoff Of Persia
Bubba The Love Sponge had a bear on his show and it was only like 300
pounds, you don't think say a 400 pound man could take on this 300
pound bear?
I'm not saying an obese 400 pound man, I'm talking about one of those
guys in the toughmen contests.
Perkoff Of Persia
<pde63539removet...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> "Celebrity Perkoff Club" <perk...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:7cbf3761-05c7-413f...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
> > strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
>
> > I think Kimbo Slice is one of the few men that could take on a bear
> > and win.
>
> > Who else do you think could take on a bear and have a chance of
> > winning?
>
> Your mother.
> --
Yeah my mom would win a good mother award and your momma would not.
That is for sure.
Stanley Moore
"Perkoff Of Persia" <per...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Those guys are not the most agile or fast movers. I still think the bear is
the odds on favorite. Take care
Spob
> Bubba The Love Sponge had a bear on his show and it was only like 300
> pounds, you don't think say a 400 pound man could take on this 300
> pound bear?
300 lbs is the Barney Fife of bears. I was envisioning a bear that's
big by bear standards. According to Wikipedia, male grizzlies can go
to 1500 lbs. You're in trouble if a bear half that size just rolls on
top of you.
Stanley Moore
"Spob" <pongespob_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why are we even debating this thing? The whole idea is a mismatch. I
wouldn't want to take on one that weighed the same as me. Bear wins every
time. Sheesh. Take care
Perkoff Of Persia
> "Spob" <pongespob_paresqua...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4db34ac3-0d4d-4fda...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 17, 10:05 pm, Perkoff Of Persia <perk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bubba The Love Sponge had a bear on his show and it was only like 300
> > pounds, you don't think say a 400 pound man could take on this 300
> > pound bear?
>
> 300 lbs is the Barney Fife of bears. I was envisioning a bear that's
> big by bear standards. According to Wikipedia, male grizzlies can go
> to 1500 lbs. You're in trouble if a bear half that size just rolls on
> top of you.
>
> -------------------------------------
> Why are we even debating this thing? The whole idea is a mismatch. I
> wouldn't want to take on one that weighed the same as me. Bear wins every
> time. Sheesh. Take care
You telling me that if you distracted the bear with food and snuck up
behind him and not just saying puny you, I'm saying if you were one of
those guys in the Strong Men comepetions. If you were one of them
guys and you had the bear concentrating on eating food and did a sneak
attack you don't think you could take on a bear?
Come on now.
Bob Savage
news:tc6dnQFoOPLpPbLV...@comcast.com...
> Why are we even debating this thing? The whole idea is a mismatch. I
> wouldn't want to take on one that weighed the same as me. Bear wins every
> time. Sheesh. Take care
I think it's being debated because it makes people feel good about
themselves to think if they took away enough natural weapons from a wild
animal, that they could beat it.
In my opinion, a full sized de-clawed/de-fanged brown/grizzly/polar bear
that had a mind to put a whoopin' on any human on the planet would have
little trouble executing, literally.
Stanley Moore
"Bob Savage" <bsa...@aewrtsjfasd.net> wrote in message
news:Va2Yj.67983$3i3....@newsfe14.phx...
Plus you could spend a little time exploring a bears degestive tract before
being deposited somewhere in the proverbial woods <G> Take care
Stanley Moore
Most animals are pretty vicious when disturbed "at table". Even domestic
dogs and cats often take it amiss when you mess with them. So no, I think
the bear would win every time, even assuming equal weights. Take care
u...@invalid.net
>it makes people feel good about themselves to think if they took away
>enough natural weapons from a wild animal, that they could beat it.
Or, in your case, if you take away enough intellect from human
beings.
ne...@millions.com
A thirty-ought-six can be of benefit to mankind f used properly.
DCI
Bob Savage
news:Qc2dncZ41M1...@giganews.com...
> Or, in your case, if you take away enough intellect from human beings.
Don't be bitter, I took nothing from you. Your condition is pre-congenital.
u...@invalid.net
Just what you need...someone with pre-cogenital intellect
deprivation.
u...@invalid.net
in article
<27b73c6d-37fa-49a1...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Spob <pongespob_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Shit. I'd bet any healthy, enraged, adult chimp would make
the best "pound for pound" fighter (e.g. ASS) look like a
mutilated rag-doll.
Bob Savage
news:PdOdnVF9icm...@giganews.com...
> Just what you need...someone with pre-cogenital intellect deprivation.
It's not necessary, but it sure makes it funny. Thanks for being a key
player.
Spob
> You telling me that if you distracted the bear with food and snuck up
> behind him and not just saying puny you, I'm saying if you were one of
> those guys in the Strong Men comepetions. If you were one of them
> guys and you had the bear concentrating on eating food and did a sneak
> attack you don't think you could take on a bear?
>
> Come on now.
You mean by trying to match sheer muscle up against a *large* bear -
say over 500 - 600 lbs? Hell no. If you try to stand toe to toe and
wrestle him, even with no claws, he'll kill you just swatting you with
his paws or with sheer mass. The mechanics of his body are totally
different, his bones are far more massive.
Let me load you up with 800lbs of weight and see if you can even move.
That bear *runs* with that much weight. You probably can't squat 500
lbs in a controlled situation using your strongest mechanical
advantage. What are you going to do when 600, 700, 800 lbs or more of
pissed off bear comes crashing down on top of you? That bear is
exponentially stronger than any man.
Don't forget, a big bear in the wild has likely survived battles with
other bears that you wouldn't survive for 3 seconds. You may think
you're Billy Badass but there's probably very few places you could hit
him with the tools you have - feet & fists - where it would feel like
anything to him but a mild tickle, and he's not going to just stand
there while you're approaching him.
My theory, and one I have no interest in personally testing, is that
you might have success by taking out his eyes and once he's in a
severely debilitated state and *if* you knew exactly what you were
doing - i.e. how to deal with a panicked, flailing animal that's
stronger than you can comprehend and could break your back with one
swat of a paw - you might take him down by cutting off his air.
The primary disadvantage the bear has is that he's got the brain and
comprehension of a bear.
Then of course, you'd have to know how to avoid Robert Redford and the
PETA lynch mob who are going to be on your heels.
mwhaught
>
> You mean by trying to match sheer muscle up against a *large* bear -
> say over 500 - 600 lbs? Hell no. If you try to stand toe to toe and
> wrestle him, even with no claws, he'll kill you just swatting you with
> his paws or with sheer mass. The mechanics of his body are totally
> different, his bones are far more massive.
>
> Let me load you up with 800lbs of weight and see if you can even move.
> That bear *runs* with that much weight. You probably can't squat 500
> lbs in a controlled situation using your strongest mechanical
> advantage. What are you going to do when 600, 700, 800 lbs or more of
> pissed off bear comes crashing down on top of you? That bear is
> exponentially stronger than any man.
>
Forget the bear. Stand in 4 feet of water and let a 100 pound Bottlenose
Dolphin bump into you. We weren't designed to match-up physically with
animals.
>
> Then of course, you'd have to know how to avoid Robert Redford and the
> PETA lynch mob who are going to be on your heels.
Turn the bear loose on them.
-mwh
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ne...@millions.com
wrote:
>
>Forget the bear. Stand in 4 feet of water and let a 100 pound Bottlenose
>Dolphin bump into you. We weren't designed to match-up physically with
>animals.
>
> -mwh
>
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The proof of you statement: try putting a house cat in a tub of water
when it doesn't want to be in the water.
DCI
tug
413f-a80e-8...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
> If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
> strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
>
> I think Kimbo Slice is one of the few men that could take on a bear
> and win.
>
> Who else do you think could take on a bear and have a chance of
> winning?
I live in an area with abundant wild black bears.
I have seen their phenominal strength with my own
eyes. I do not beleive any human would stand a
chance against an adult black bear, under any
circumstance. Just too much power, and black
bears are normally 'smaller' for bears.
Spob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr0o8zRmub4
She gets his attention but ask yourself what that cougar would do to a
man. Now, how much of a hurtin' do you realistically figure a man
could put on that bear by trying to slap him around, fangs/claws or
no?
u...@invalid.net
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<5ade5dde-c4b1-492e...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Spob <pongespob_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
That bear was the pussy! He should have ripped the cougar
apart and eaten it!
Tom Foolery
> If you took the claws and fangs off of a bear do you think a really
> strong guy could kick the bears ass in a fight?
>
> I think Kimbo Slice is one of the few men that could take on a bear
> and win.
>
> Who else do you think could take on a bear and have a chance of
> winning?
Man loses to bear every time.
Check out this hilarious Man vs. Deer match:
http://www.bloggingwv.com/corn-fed-venison-it-looked-good-on-paper/
Dave Smith
says...
my source Walt Disney
:-) Dave Smith
Anthony Williams
with his bare hands and whipped a 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass.
ne...@millions.com
The lion was very old and near death. The 1000 men were masochists.
DCI