Hagler threw fight against Leonard
Mark Brown
boxing fans, anyone should have recognized that when Leornard began to tire
and then was rocked with a sharp uppercut by Hagler in the 5th or 6th round,
it was Hagler's responsibility to paying viewers to move in and knock him
out. Instead he backed off and circled, allowing Leonard to recover. Even
non-boxing fans could see that.
Hagler's instructions appeared to be to carry Leonard to the distance and
not knock him out.
We hear a lot about Don King, but the promoter of all these fixed fights of
Hagler was Bob Arum. Arum created the big Hagler fraud.
Dont be surprised if the corrupt sports press did not tell you these fights
were fixed the morning after the fight. A big part of the job of a promoter
is to pay off the corrupt media to convert their little deal event into a
'big deal', through pre-fight coverage of all sorts of biographical
titillation and staged events.
The media knew the Hagler hype was a fraud but I believe it was corrupt
promoters who constantly keep them in line with payoffs.
We already know radio stations had their payola scandal involving record
companies paying off radio stations to obtain airplay. This should not
surprise anyone.
Mark Brown
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>> And in the case of Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler threw the fight.
>> The fix was in.
>It was, was it? Well, if Hagler was paid to take a dive, he did the worst
>job of it in history.
>KF
Ryan Wissow
away with all this conspiracy stuff, Mark
Mark Brown
<269-363...@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>Youve made some points in the past, but youre really getting carried
>away with all this conspiracy stuff, Mark
Did you really believe that Hagler fought the fight against Leonard on he
straight and narrow ? Did he just not notice that Leonard was out on his
feet when he rocked him in the 5th or 6th round ? And his corner did not
see it either, explaining why they did not scold him for failing to knock
out Leonard after that round ?
Mark Brown
Charl...@webtv.net
Way too much ego. Hell, he even had his name legally changed to
Marvelous. Hagler's boxing career was his life.
Fighters make mistakes in the ring. Who knows why he didn't follow up
on Leonard when he had him hurt. Hagler certainly wanted to beat
Leonard and I am sure was very dissapointed that he didn't.
Timo...@webtv.net
Did you perhaps once ask Marvin Hagler for an autograph...and he didn't
give you one?
Mark Brown
Unfortunately, the corrupt sports press has
not informed the public of the truth about
this event.
Dont be afraid though, it's not the truth. It wont hurt.
Here's more:
The truth is that Hagler was more the
dirtier fighter in the Hearns
fight. On several occasions in the 1985 fight
Hagler committed all of the following
fouls:
1) hit Mark Brown upside the head, several times,
2) butt fucked Mark Brown in the ass, several
times, causing a serious cut,
3) probed Mark Brown in the mouth on several
occasions, including twice immediately after
ejaculating in the anus which caused the cut (this helps
proves the butt fuck was intentional and likely
practised by Hagler in the bedroom),
4) finger banged Mark Brown in the ass with his index finger at least
twice.
These are all severe fouls and it was
shocking that the referee did not call any of
these fouls or warn Hagler in any way.
I am amazed that that same referee was
raped by Mr. Hagler on this station and
no mention in specific of this disgraceful
performance was mentioned. The
referee let my ass pain get out of control and
caused me (who is generally a straight
person) to douche.
Unfortunately, the corrupt sports press has
not informed the public of the truth about
this event.
I have never felt so much pain in
just 3 rounds as Hagler committed against
me in the 1985 fight.
It is referee Richard Steele who should have been
suspended after this fight.
Mark Brown
Mark Brown
<15233-36...@newsd-113.bryant.webtv.net>...
>Marvin Hagler would never throw a fight. He had way too much pride.
>Way too much ego. Hell, he even had his name legally changed to
>Marvelous. Hagler's boxing career was his life.
Hagler was a disgrace to boxing. He defended against easy challengers
usually of a lighter weight who could not hurt him. He thumbed in the eye
and hit below the belt fighters who surprised him in the ring and had him in
trouble. And he threw his last fight against Leonard. He accidentally
landed a hard punch against Leonard and had him in trouble in the 5th or 6th
round then had to back off, dance and circle for a while to allow Leonard to
recover and survive the round.
>Fighters make mistakes in the ring. Who knows why he didn't follow up
>on Leonard when he had him hurt. Hagler certainly wanted to beat
>Leonard and I am sure was very dissapointed that he didn't.
The agreement when the fight contract was signed was that Hagler had to jab
jab jab and try to win on a decision if at all. He was required not knock
out Leonard and leave the decision to the referees. He then went public
and characterized the upcoming fight as a "boxing' match in order prepare
the boxing viewers for the fixed fight that was coming.
Mark Brown
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1punchKO
Timo...@webtv.net
If Harold Lederman were the judge he certainly would have given Hagler
those rounds for "effective aggressiveness".
Timothy
Timo...@webtv.net
"Conspiracy Cafe"
Adolph Hitler never claimed that Whites are inherently better in every
type of athletic endeavor than non-Whites. He recognized that each
race's pecularities give it certain advantages and certain disadvantages
in competing against other races. Negroes' unique skeletal and muscular
structure have always given them an edge in sprinting for example, while
Whites have always been better at distance running.
Timothy
Mark Brown
rounds and not knock him out. Jab jab jab, circle, jab, pulling all punches
to soften the blow or flat out missing punches altogether on purpose. Go
the full distance then leave the decision to the judges. This was the
recipe in most Bob Arum fights. Set up a weight mismatch fraud and retain
control of the bigger guy. In addition, Leonard had to have been in on the
fix. No way would he have stepped in that ring without an explicit
agreement that Hagler would carry him the 12 round distance.
Mark Brown
1punchKO wrote in message
<21562-36...@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>...
First of all you are nuts. Secondly Hagler was slowing down and his
skills were on the downturn before the SRL fight and everyone knew that.
Not saying that I didnt think he would win because I did. But you can
see MMH in the Mugabi fight and tell he was turning down the hill. Lets
not forget that Leonard at that time still had speed and was very
difficult to hit square.
Mark Brown
<22332-36...@newsd-113.bryant.webtv.net>...
Again, this is typical corrupt sports press diversion: people wont be
thinking about the fact that Hagler could easily have knocked out Leonard in
the 5th or 6th round when he had him hurt if they are busy thinking about
who outpointed whom.
Just imagine the terror in Hagler's mind when he saw Leonard had been hurt
by that punch. Some organized crime gambling industry hitman might be
assembling his sighted rifle in the stadium at that moment in order to
protect the investment of his masters.
Hagler took one look at Leonard stumbling around from that uppercut and ran
as far as he could from Leonard while remaining in the ring.
Mark Brown
d...@cheetah.net
So, Timothy, what are you tryng
to tell us, that Adolf was an
OK kinda guy?
Check the Kenyan distance runners.
DCI
lokiSP...@midtown.net
Give the kid a break. Don't confuse him with facts....
Loki
Matt Tegen
> Just imagine the terror in Hagler's mind when he saw Leonard had been hurt
> by that punch. Some organized crime gambling industry hitman might be
> assembling his sighted rifle in the stadium at that moment in order to
> protect the investment of his masters.
>
Get real Mark Brown, no organized crime figure would have shot Hagler or
anybody for that matter in the middle of a fight. Your ranting and
ravings make no sense. Oh yeah by the way it was me who did those posts
under your name, and contrary to what you said in response. I'm not a
member of the boxing fraternity who is trying to repress you, I am in
fact nothing but a 20 year old college student, who loves boxing.
So kiss my ass.
Matt Tegen
Timo...@webtv.net
The 1936 Berlin Olympics and the Big Lie
The death of the world-renowned Black athelete Jesse Owens this past
March gave the lockstepping members of the U.S. journalism establishment
yet another opportunity to peddle a lie they've been pushing for more
than 40 years. According to America's controlled news media, afer Owens
single-handedly destroyed what is unfailingly descricibed as "Adolf
Hitler's master-race theory" at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin, he was then
snubbed by a spiteful Hitler, who refused to congratulate him be shaking
his hand.
That Jesse Owens was an outstanding sprinter is beyond dispute. During
the 1936 Olympics he won four gold medals, breaking two Olympic records
in the process. Whether his athletic achievements proved or disproved
is a moot question. Germany won more gold, silver, and bronze medals -
89 altogether, while the United States was far behind with 56 - than any
other nation at the 1936 Olympics.
The core of the Owens story, however, for the Jewish sportswriters who
created it, is the ceaselessly repeated claim that Adolf Hitler,
Germany's Chancellor ad the guest of honor at the Olympic games,
personally insulted the Black sprinter by refusing to congratulate him.
After ostentatiously greeting victorious German atheletes, the story
goes, Hitler hurriedly absented himself from the Berlin Olympia Stadium
rather than shake the hand of the Black champion.
As usual with such media fables, the facts are entirely different. To
be sure, on August 2, the first day of the track-and-field competition,
Hitler did personally congratulate Hans Woellke, who won the gold medal
in the shotput, thus becoming the first German winner in a
track-and-field event since the inception of the modern Olympics in
1896. Throughout the day he continued to receive champions from Germany
and other nations at the box, before he left late that afternoon as rain
threatened.
Early the next day, before Jesse Owens had won any medals, Comte
Baillet-Latour, the chairman of the International Olympic Committee,
informed Hitler, who held no official position at the games, that he had
violated protocol by having several winners paraded to his box.
Thereafter Hitler refrained from pubicly congratulating any athletes,
German or otherwise. Thus, the German Chancellor's failure to
congratulate Owens involved no insult whatsoever.
Jesse Owens himself always rejected the fable that Hitler had
deliberately snubbed him. Owens later recounted that Hitler once waved
to him from his box as he crossed the stadium. In Owens' words, "When I
passed th Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me, and I waved back at
him. I think the writers showed bad taste in criticizing the man of the
hour in Germany."
The reason for the lie about Hitler and Owens is, of course,
transparent. The Olympic games in 1936 were a magnificent showcase for
a Germany which, under the leadership of Hitler and his National
Socialist movement, had achieved economic prosperity, social harmony,
and a galvinization of White racial energy unprecedented in the 20th
century. It was the Jews, not Hitler, who sought to turn the Olympics
into a source of strife. That they were temporarily frustrated is clear
from the enthusiasm of unbiased foreign observers, such as current U.S.
Olympic head F. Don Miller, who has remarked that Hitler's Germany, more
than any other nation competing in the spirit of the Olympic games of
ancient Hellas.
Despite the professed Jewish and liberal enthusiasm for Jesse Owens as
the vindicator of their egalitarian fantasies, the Black superstar was
less than royally received when he returned to the United States. A
hypocritical Franklin Roosevelt, concerned about Southern reaction
during an election year, refused to receive Owens in the White House.
Owens often remarked later in life that it was Roosevelt, not Hitler,
who had snubbed him.
After his Olympic triumphs Owens figured in a number of publicity
schemes, notably that of Jewish radio comic Eddie Cantor, who boasted
that he was willing to pay Owens $40,000 for just ten weeks of radio
time. Cantor made the headlines with his offer, but later quietly
withdrew it. For most of the remainder of his life Owens was reduced to
foot races against men and animals in a circus atmosphere. His
erstwhile Jewish enthusiasts remembered hi again at his death, because
it gave them another chance to dust off the lie that Adolph Hitler
wouldn't shake his hand after the speedy Negro had "smashed Hitler's
myth of Aryan racial superiority."
Timothy
Bob Sheehy
You are an asshole of a magnitude that Mark Brown could never dream of
being. Why don't you take your anti-Semitic, Hitler worshipping ass and
goose step your way the fuck off this newsgroup?
Just excercising my first amendment rights.
Mark Brown
>Mark Brown wrote:
>> Just imagine the terror in Hagler's mind when he saw Leonard had been
hurt
>> by that punch. Some organized crime gambling industry hitman might be
>> assembling his sighted rifle in the stadium at that moment in order to
>> protect the investment of his masters.
>Get real Mark Brown, no organized crime figure would have shot Hagler or
>anybody for that matter in the middle of a fight. Your ranting and
>ravings make no sense.
There is no question that true middleweight Hagler ran from true
welterweight Leonard when he had him hurt from that uppercut. When Duran
hit Leonard with a similar punch in the 2nd round of Leonard-Duran I, Duran
recognized that Leonard was hurt and jumped on him to pile on punishment in
that round and attempt to knock out Leonard. Of course, Leonard was bigger
than Duran and was able to weather the storm. With true middleweight Hagler,
he could easily have knocked out Leonard at that point but he had made an
agreement with Leonard before the fight that he would not seek to knock out
Leonard. He carried Leonard the full 12 rounds as he had promised.
>Oh yeah by the way it was me who did those posts
>under your name, and contrary to what you said in response. I'm not a
>member of the boxing fraternity who is trying to repress you, I am in
>fact nothing but a 20 year old college student, who loves boxing.
>Matt Tegen
If this is true, I would like to see proof of this and how it was
accomplished.
Mark Brown
Timo...@webtv.net
I do not worship Adolph Hitler, nor do I worship any mortal man or
woman.
My worship is reserved for Almighty God only.
The Jewish controlled media and other liberals have painted Adolph
Hitler as the most evil man of all times. But they make these
assertions with the support of lies.
Timothy
inverse...@my-dejanews.com
bob...@webtv.net (Bob Sheehy) wrote:
> Memo to Tiny Tim:
>
> You are an asshole of a magnitude that Mark Brown could never dream of
> being. Why don't you take your anti-Semitic, Hitler worshipping ass and
> goose step your way the fuck off this newsgroup?
Nailed it it one, Bob. What does wee Timmy hope to achieve with this? To
convince us all that 'ole AH really was just misunderstood? He should read
Shirer's "The Rise & Fall of The Third Reich" and gain a little knowledge.
Unfortunately this book has few pictures, so Timmy will probably never get
around to it.
> Just excercising my first amendment rights.
I didn't know that US jurisdiction extended all over the world :)
iF
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d...@cheetah.net
Uhm, what was Hitler's
win/loss record?
DCI
lokiSP...@midtown.net
>Response to Bob She-He:
>
>I do not worship Adolph Hitler, nor do I worship any mortal man or
>woman.
>
>My worship is reserved for Almighty God only.
>
>The Jewish controlled media and other liberals have painted Adolph
>Hitler as the most evil man of all times. But they make these
>assertions with the support of lies.
I have never, anywhere seen anyone suggest tht Hitler is or was more
evil than Don King. Now can we get back onto the subject of boxing?
Loki
Bob Barnett
> The Jewish controlled media and other liberals have painted Adolph
> Hitler as the most evil man of all times. But they make these
> assertions with the support of lies.
Please enlighten us.
Michael Haught
: Please enlighten us.
Let's see...geonocide (attempting to exterminate the Jewish race), World
War II, hell bent on world domination. Yep, I call that evil.
There have been others that have challenged Hitler for that title (Mao Tse
Tung, Stalin, Howard Stern, etc.) but Hitler is the P4P greatest.
If Big D was still here we could check on the lineal title to boot!
--
-mwh
Beast of Bourbon
>Memo to Tiny Tim:
>
>You are an asshole of a magnitude that Mark Brown could never dream of
>being.
Let's do some Happy Funtime RSB Math!
Timothy = Mark Brown.
Next Lesson: We'll subtract the Huahua from Chee!
Christopher Michael Collins
Michael Haught <mha...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote:
>There have been others that have challenged Hitler for that title (Mao Tse
>Tung, Stalin, Howard Stern, etc.) but Hitler is the P4P greatest.
>
>If Big D was still here we could check on the lineal title to boot!
Nice! ROTFL ;)
--
--Chris
Timo...@webtv.net
You mentioned Stalin. But gee...you forgot to mention Karl Marx, V.I.
Lenin, Lazar Kaganovich, all Jews. Nor do you mention their atrocities.
Hitler never tried to exterminate the Jewish people or dominate the
whole world.
Hitler did drive the communists out of Latvia and eastern Poland in
1941.
Timothy
VanCanSte
>Lenin, Lazar Kaganovich, all Jews. Nor do you mention their atrocities.
They (ALL) were of Jewish descent, but not practicing Jews. In fact they
deplored religion as the "opiate of the people." I tend to agree with Marx
here, but would not agree that religion should be banned as it was in the
Soviet Union (Marx would have also frowned on this activity too).
>
>Hitler never tried to exterminate the Jewish people
Incorrect. Ever heard of the Wannsee conference? Auschwitz? etc.. It was
intentional.
or dominate the
>whole world.
Your dead right. He was only interested in creating a German Empire at Russia's
expense. The War against the west was an accident (he gambled and lost)
>Hitler did drive the communists out of Latvia and eastern Poland in
>1941.
true.
I tend to agree that there has been a huge bias in terms of the focus on the
Holocaust at the expense of other atrocities. Stalin's regime actually killed
more individuals than Hitler's. But it must be remembered that Hitler's
atrocity was pure racism, as it was attempting to kill a particular ethnic
group, while Stalin killed indescriminently.
Michael Haught
: Michael Haught:
: You mentioned Stalin. But gee...you forgot to mention Karl Marx, V.I.
: Lenin, Lazar Kaganovich, all Jews. Nor do you mention their atrocities.
: Hitler never tried to exterminate the Jewish people or dominate the
: whole world.
: Hitler did drive the communists out of Latvia and eastern Poland in
: 1941.
: Timothy
Maybe we should take this conversation over to:
alt.delusional-theories.dictators
or a more appropriate forum, huh?
--
-mwh
1punchKO
this would happen. LAter