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Where are the Lewis fans now?? .........Here :o)

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Johnboy

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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Brian wrote:

> >It isn't crap, it is the plain truth. Lewis's best opponent
> >to date is Ray Mercer. Below that are Andrew Golota and Razor
> >Rudduck, two fighters who built their reputations off of LOSSES,
> >and Tommy Morrison. Oh yeah ... given the overall caliber of
> >this rogue's gallery, perhaps I should include Frank Bruno.
>
> Who could Lewis have beaten that would impress you? I'm just curious. I really
> think its a low class typical r.s.b. to run through ten years of fights and
> denigrate every single one.

*clip*

I have been willing to say of Lewis that he has fought the best guys he
could find to get into the ring with him (well, usually), as well as
state
that he is the most ducked world class heavyweight in the division
today.
These are statements I have made quite often, and you know that Brian
:-)
I have long believed that he is the heavyweight with the second best
resume, but that is exactly the point - the SECOND best resume. It
is not his fault that Bowe split the title ducking him and Tyson paid
him step aside money, and these things ought to be noted. However,
being ducked by a guy is not the same thing as defeating him - it
just doesn't carry the same weight. Lewis's resume is not as impressive
as Holyfield's. The post I was responding to was almost a work
of fiction.

As I stated in an earlier post, detailing the major points of Lewis's
record, Lennox Lewis is not necessarily Evander Holyfield's most
important or formidible opponent. A good arguement can be made either
way. No reasonable arguement can be made that Holyfield is anything
less than the best and most important man that Lewis has ever fought.

Johnboy

lord...@skynet.be

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Oct 25, 1998, 2:00:00 AM10/25/98
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I admire Hollyfield too, off course, but for me it's clear, Lewis will win
by KO, or TKO.(in the 10th)
for the tittle, and with a big hope to raise more money in the futur
Lewis will be motivate. But for telling the truth,I don't care about
the winner I only want a GREAT BOUT.

Simple question : anybodys think that hollyfiled is a little bit "too old"?
after all the hard bouts he have done, i'm afraid for
his health.
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lordsh...@webtv.net

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Oct 25, 1998, 2:00:00 AM10/25/98
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Sure, SEB. And Brian Nielsen is the next Ali. Lewis is nothing but a right hand and a glass jaw. No heart. No infighting abillity. No jab. No boxing abillity. He lacks dexterity and is technically unsound. He has never fought a true championship caliber opponent. This isn't Tommy Morrison or Frank Bruno he's fighting, it's EVANDER HOLYFIELD! The guy who has wins over Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Riddick Bowe, Ray Mercer, Michael Moorer, Buster Douglas, Larry Holmes, Michael Dokes, Bert Cooper, Alex Stewart... Even the lesser names he's beaten are equal to the best of Lewis. You "fear for his health"? That reeks of arrogance. Did Holyfield look old beating the snot out of Tyson and Moorer? He looked much better there than Lewis did against (ha!) Shannon Briggs!

wa...@caldycot.u-net.com

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Oct 25, 1998, 2:00:00 AM10/25/98
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On 25 Oct 1998 17:18:50 GMT, <lordsh...@webtv.net> wrote:

>Sure, SEB. And Brian Nielsen is the next Ali. Lewis is nothing=
> but a right hand and a glass jaw. No heart. No infighting=
> abillity. No jab. No boxing abillity. He lacks dexterity and is=
> technically unsound. He has never fought a true championship=
> caliber opponent. This isn't Tommy Morrison or Frank Bruno he's=


> fighting, it's EVANDER HOLYFIELD! The guy who has wins over

Mike Tyson - who avoided Lewis like the plague.
George Foreman - beaten by Briggs who was beaten by Lewis
Riddick Bowe - Chicken Bowe - lasted less than 2 rounds in the
Olympics against Lewis.
Ray Mercer - beaten by Lewis
Buster Douglas - who turned up for his money and nothing else!!!
Larry Holmes - Senior Citizen
Michael Dokes - Ditto Holmes.
Bert Cooper - Only just, or was Holyfield trying his hand at
breakdancing?????
Alex Stewart lasted less than a round with Tyson wouldn't last any
longer against Lewis.

Even the lesser names he's beaten are equal to the=
best of Lewis. - Crap!
Holyfield was beaten up badly twice by Chicken Bowe, who himself was
beaten up badly twice by Golota, who - oh yeah - lasted 91 seconds
against Lewis.

>Moorer? He looked much better there than Lewis did against=
> (ha!) Shannon Briggs!
>
Briggs fought well and would put Moorer away.

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Lewis has waited 6 years for this fight. Bowe chickened out when he
was undisputed champ, and Tyson paid $4million NOT to fight him. Even
Holyfield has tried to avoid the fight with huge demands.

Whilst Lewis has failed to impress in certain bouts. Holyfield should
remember the two fights when Lewis was put in with opponents who were
expected to beat him. Ruddock & Golota.

I believe that Lewis will come into the fight with Holyfield more
focused than he has ever been before. Holyfield will fall!
I expect Lewis to KO Holyfield within 7 rounds.

Dave


Johnboy

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Oct 25, 1998, 2:00:00 AM10/25/98
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wa...@caldycot.u-net.com wrote:

> Mike Tyson - who avoided Lewis like the plague.

BOWE avoided Lewis like the plague. Tyson just ducked
him once. :-)

> George Foreman - beaten by Briggs who was beaten by Lewis

No one except our dear corrupt friends down in New Jersey thought
that Briggs actually won that fight, and only someone with no
knowledge of Foreman's career would claim that the Foreman who
fought Briggs was as formidible as the Foreman who fought
Holyfield almost a decade before.

> Riddick Bowe - Chicken Bowe - lasted less than 2 rounds in the
> Olympics against Lewis.

Bowe ducked Lewis like the plague, but the amateurs are a whole
different game than the pros. Any fighter will tell you that.

> Ray Mercer - beaten by Lewis

Just barely.

> Larry Holmes - Senior Citizen

See the Foreman statement.

> Even the lesser names he's beaten are equal to the=
> best of Lewis. - Crap!

It isn't crap, it is the plain truth. Lewis's best opponent


to date is Ray Mercer. Below that are Andrew Golota and Razor
Rudduck, two fighters who built their reputations off of LOSSES,
and Tommy Morrison. Oh yeah ... given the overall caliber of
this rogue's gallery, perhaps I should include Frank Bruno.

I don't expect to be able to make sense to this guy, who obviously
thinks that a fighter's ability is fixed throughout his career.
Still, these points need to be made again and again......

Johnboy

lord...@skynet.be

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Oct 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/26/98
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yep I see that you are in the hollyfield camp :o) sure that hollyfield
beated "famous name" but Lewis beated Akinwande,Morrison,Bruno, MC call
Brigss, Mavrovic, Golota and he's ready to take hollyfield. he must
have his chance, Hollyfield is best than him? okay but I still wanna
see that bout

you misunderstood me on one thing ,the bout will be a great bout, you
can bet on holly, me on lewis, but the facts are there, we will see
two greats champ for a unification bout, you spoke like if Lewis don't
deseve this luck,but he deserve it.

for the health of hollyfield, look he's a GREAT WARRIOR, but he took
many hits, and I would see holyfield in a perfect health for the end
of his career. HE was incredible against tyson and moorer, that's sure
and He's the most charismatic fighter, He deserves to win too!

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Brian

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Oct 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/26/98
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On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:08:38 -0500, Johnboy <Joh...@zzapp.org> wrote:

>No one except our dear corrupt friends down in New Jersey thought
>that Briggs actually won that fight, and only someone with no
>knowledge of Foreman's career would claim that the Foreman who
>fought Briggs was as formidible as the Foreman who fought
>Holyfield almost a decade before.

Foreman wasn't as good against Briggs as he was against Holyfield and Holyfield
beat Foreman all over the place, but 6 years does not equal almost a decade.

<snip>

>It isn't crap, it is the plain truth. Lewis's best opponent
>to date is Ray Mercer. Below that are Andrew Golota and Razor
>Rudduck, two fighters who built their reputations off of LOSSES,
>and Tommy Morrison. Oh yeah ... given the overall caliber of
>this rogue's gallery, perhaps I should include Frank Bruno.

Who could Lewis have beaten that would impress you? I'm just curious. I really


think its a low class typical r.s.b. to run through ten years of fights and

denigrate every single one. So who would have impressed you? Bowe (who seems
to impress you) ducked him, and Tyson (post prison 10 years past his prime)
ducked him. He fought Golota who had lost by DQ to Bowe but had put a horrible
beating on Bowe. Golota was picked by many people to defeat Lewis including
r.s.b.'s Lewis bashing president Ivan Weiss. You left Akinwande off your list
who MANY people picked to beat Lewis, including several of the Lewis bashing
club on rsb. It seems you've awfully impressed by Holyfield beating 10 years
past his prime Tyson and winning 1 out of 3 to Bowe. You're putting a very
negative spin on Lewis and I think you're going to be very surprised when Lewis
KOs Holyfield.

Robert Phillips

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Oct 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/27/98
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Johnboy wrote:

> I have long believed that he is the heavyweight with the second best
> resume, but that is exactly the point - the SECOND best resume. It
> is not his fault that Bowe split the title ducking him and Tyson paid
> him step aside money, and these things ought to be noted.

Hear ye one, hear ye all! Say it again!

> However, being ducked by a guy is not the same thing as defeating him - it
> just doesn't carry the same weight.

Everybody read that? Everyone understand that?
As I too have said several times before, too many Lewis fans are too ready to count
the non-fights against Holyfield, Tyson, and Bowe as de facto victories for Lewis.
It just doesn't work that way.


Pie


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