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so how about Tyson Fury v Deontay Wilder?
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Mr.Will Music
Apr 27, 2013, 6:20:29 PM4/27/13
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5016 what you reckon? Can you get more athletic than Deontay Wilder (he was
even a proper athlete!) - even more athletic than Fury its easy to see! I
don't think he has much by way of boxing skills - but seems to be able to
punch a bit, might be all he needs!
Mr.Will
even a proper athlete!) - even more athletic than Fury its easy to see! I
don't think he has much by way of boxing skills - but seems to be able to
punch a bit, might be all he needs!
Mr.Will
DCI
Apr 27, 2013, 7:23:10 PM4/27/13
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That SOB Van Owen
Apr 28, 2013, 6:18:02 AM4/28/13
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When has a boxer ever been other than proper athlete?
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Mr.Will Music
Apr 28, 2013, 6:47:26 AM4/28/13
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Mr.Will Music
Apr 28, 2013, 6:48:41 AM4/28/13
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But yes, a genuine heavyweight with a punch - and in shape - thats
interesting! Wonder if the Fury camp would be interested in such a
challenge.
Mr.Will
DCI
Apr 28, 2013, 2:35:56 PM4/28/13
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Mentalguy2k8
Apr 28, 2013, 2:35:53 PM4/28/13
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> Wonder if the Fury camp would be interested in such a challenge.
I doubt it. But I expect the two of them will trade insults and build up a
> Wonder if the Fury camp would be interested in such a challenge.
lucrative fight between them after they've both lost their unbeaten records.
That SOB Van Owen
Apr 28, 2013, 4:24:21 PM4/28/13
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>> Wonder if the Fury camp would be interested in such a challenge.
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>I doubt it. But I expect the two of them will trade insults and build up a
>lucrative fight between them after they've both lost their unbeaten records.
LOL!
>> Wonder if the Fury camp would be interested in such a challenge.
>
>I doubt it. But I expect the two of them will trade insults and build up a
>lucrative fight between them after they've both lost their unbeaten records.
That SOB Van Owen
Mr.Will Music
Apr 28, 2013, 5:05:08 PM4/28/13
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5016
Apr 29, 2013, 7:55:00 AM4/29/13
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a reason why he has been so undermatched to date. Perhaps his
management realize something about him.
Yes, he is athletic, and yes he can punch. But any semi-serious
heavyweight can do what he did to Harrison. Hopefully Harrison is gone
for good now, though.
Mr.Will Music
Apr 29, 2013, 8:35:04 AM4/29/13
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On Apr 27, 6:20 pm, "Mr.Will Music" <w...@mr-will-music.co.uk> wrote:
> 5016 what you reckon? Can you get more athletic than Deontay Wilder (he
> was
> even a proper athlete!) - even more athletic than Fury its easy to see! I
> don't think he has much by way of boxing skills - but seems to be able to
> punch a bit, might be all he needs!
>
> Mr.Will
>>I have a bad feeling about Wilder, I can't help thinking that there is
>>a reason why he has been so undermatched to date. Perhaps his
>>management realize something about him.
Yeah, well he quite clearly doesn't have any boxing skills (or "skillz" as
> 5016 what you reckon? Can you get more athletic than Deontay Wilder (he
> was
> even a proper athlete!) - even more athletic than Fury its easy to see! I
> don't think he has much by way of boxing skills - but seems to be able to
> punch a bit, might be all he needs!
>
> Mr.Will
>>I have a bad feeling about Wilder, I can't help thinking that there is
>>a reason why he has been so undermatched to date. Perhaps his
>>management realize something about him.
they say in the hood), but he is able to punch, and he is tall and rangy -
was just following up your thoughts that Tyson Fury will go far on size
alone. Here is a guy who has similar size and ability and can punch. That
might be all that is needed to take out the likes of Fury.
>>Yes, he is athletic, and yes he can punch. But any semi-serious
>>heavyweight can do what he did to Harrison. Hopefully Harrison is gone
>>for good now, though.
line.
Mr.Will
That SOB Van Owen
Apr 29, 2013, 9:56:05 AM4/29/13
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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:35:04 +0100, "Mr.Will Music" <email clipped>
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>"5016" <email clipped> wrote in message
>>>I have a bad feeling about Wilder, I can't help thinking that there is
>>>a reason why he has been so undermatched to date. Perhaps his
>>>management realize something about him.
>
>Yeah, well he quite clearly doesn't have any boxing skills (or "skillz" as
>they say in the hood), but he is able to punch, and he is tall and rangy -
>was just following up your thoughts that Tyson Fury will go far on size
>alone. Here is a guy who has similar size and ability and can punch. That
>might be all that is needed to take out the likes of Fury.
Tyson Fury's on a world-title shot trajectory and I don't think he's
going to take any detours. Mr. Wilder would be a detour. Fury's
management won't tolerate any detours. He's ranked by most of the
sanctioning groups, and Ring magazine just nudged him from #9 to #8.
Should he get by Mr. Pulev, the title shot may be imminent.
Wilder was intense in that wild flurrying where he did away with Mr.
Harrison after hurting him, but that was round 1 so he had energy to
overflow. He's very lean and fit, but I don't think that implies a
great deal about a boxer. A boxer should be fit and in no case
slovenly, but doesn't have to look like that. Wilder's height is a
great asset. He still seems the smaller man to Fury, and it's not just
bodyfat creating the differential. I think as well Fury's the more
seasoned fighter. The matchup's unlikely to happen until Fury's on the
rocks or Wilder climbs the rankings, but at first glance at Wilder,
I'd predict Fury.
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>"5016" <email clipped> wrote in message
>>>I have a bad feeling about Wilder, I can't help thinking that there is
>>>a reason why he has been so undermatched to date. Perhaps his
>>>management realize something about him.
>
>Yeah, well he quite clearly doesn't have any boxing skills (or "skillz" as
>they say in the hood), but he is able to punch, and he is tall and rangy -
>was just following up your thoughts that Tyson Fury will go far on size
>alone. Here is a guy who has similar size and ability and can punch. That
>might be all that is needed to take out the likes of Fury.
going to take any detours. Mr. Wilder would be a detour. Fury's
management won't tolerate any detours. He's ranked by most of the
sanctioning groups, and Ring magazine just nudged him from #9 to #8.
Should he get by Mr. Pulev, the title shot may be imminent.
Wilder was intense in that wild flurrying where he did away with Mr.
Harrison after hurting him, but that was round 1 so he had energy to
overflow. He's very lean and fit, but I don't think that implies a
great deal about a boxer. A boxer should be fit and in no case
slovenly, but doesn't have to look like that. Wilder's height is a
great asset. He still seems the smaller man to Fury, and it's not just
bodyfat creating the differential. I think as well Fury's the more
seasoned fighter. The matchup's unlikely to happen until Fury's on the
rocks or Wilder climbs the rankings, but at first glance at Wilder,
I'd predict Fury.
That SOB Van Owen
Mentalguy2k8
May 1, 2013, 5:24:10 AM5/1/13
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>>>Yes, he is athletic, and yes he can punch. But any semi-serious
>>>heavyweight can do what he did to Harrison. Hopefully Harrison is gone
>>>for good now, though.
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> Yes! Lets hope so. Even Harrison seemed to think he was at the end of the
> line.
But interesting to note that Harrison said something like "this *may* be the
end, I'll go away and have a think".
In my humble opinion, the likes of Audley and David Haye are hanging around
past their sell-by dates hoping that the Klitschkos freakishly lose or
vacate their titles soon. Because when that happens, there isn't anyone who
can take over and dominate/defend titles like the brothers have. I think the
World Titles will be like musical chairs post-Klitschko, plenty of
hard-hitting heavyweights with glass jaws swapping titles every few months
with a KO in every fight. And if you look at the quality of every
heavyweight *except* the current champs, if I was Audley Harrison, I'd still
believe I could beat any of them on a good day with a single punch.
The Klitschkos are far above everyone else, the "wannabes" seem (to me) to
be pretty much all able to beat any of the others or be beaten by any of the
others on any particular day. You could stick them all in a "prizefighter"
contest 10 times and get 10 different winners. This is why I think
heavyweight boxing would benefit from a "UFC-style" matchup system where
fighters are all centrally-contracted and fight opponents who are at the
same level, earning the right to be #1 challenger instead of avoiding each
other and thinking that knocking over 30 unknown bums in a row gives them
the automatic right. Make them earn a shot at the title and give the paying
public the enjoyment of actually seeing Price v Fury or Wilder v Haye while
they're all on form instead of us having to wait until one or both of them
have lost and are trying to make their name again or milk the fans for
another few million quid.
>>>Yes, he is athletic, and yes he can punch. But any semi-serious
>>>heavyweight can do what he did to Harrison. Hopefully Harrison is gone
>>>for good now, though.
>
> Yes! Lets hope so. Even Harrison seemed to think he was at the end of the
> line.
end, I'll go away and have a think".
In my humble opinion, the likes of Audley and David Haye are hanging around
past their sell-by dates hoping that the Klitschkos freakishly lose or
vacate their titles soon. Because when that happens, there isn't anyone who
can take over and dominate/defend titles like the brothers have. I think the
World Titles will be like musical chairs post-Klitschko, plenty of
hard-hitting heavyweights with glass jaws swapping titles every few months
with a KO in every fight. And if you look at the quality of every
heavyweight *except* the current champs, if I was Audley Harrison, I'd still
believe I could beat any of them on a good day with a single punch.
The Klitschkos are far above everyone else, the "wannabes" seem (to me) to
be pretty much all able to beat any of the others or be beaten by any of the
others on any particular day. You could stick them all in a "prizefighter"
contest 10 times and get 10 different winners. This is why I think
heavyweight boxing would benefit from a "UFC-style" matchup system where
fighters are all centrally-contracted and fight opponents who are at the
same level, earning the right to be #1 challenger instead of avoiding each
other and thinking that knocking over 30 unknown bums in a row gives them
the automatic right. Make them earn a shot at the title and give the paying
public the enjoyment of actually seeing Price v Fury or Wilder v Haye while
they're all on form instead of us having to wait until one or both of them
have lost and are trying to make their name again or milk the fans for
another few million quid.
DCI
May 1, 2013, 1:35:53 PM5/1/13
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Mentalguy2k8
May 1, 2013, 2:53:42 PM5/1/13
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> The Klitchko brother have an incredible focus on their jobs, beat the
> opponents! Only aging can stop them from such domination of the
> heavyweights.
Definitely, but what real opposition do they have now? Where's the new
Tyson, the new Lennox, the new Holyfield?
Not taking anything away from the brothers as fighters because they are very
good, but there's hardly a queue of dangerous challengers out there. I think
they've been quite lucky in that respect.
> The Klitchko brother have an incredible focus on their jobs, beat the
> opponents! Only aging can stop them from such domination of the
> heavyweights.
Tyson, the new Lennox, the new Holyfield?
Not taking anything away from the brothers as fighters because they are very
good, but there's hardly a queue of dangerous challengers out there. I think
they've been quite lucky in that respect.
Mr.Will Music
May 1, 2013, 3:11:59 PM5/1/13
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definitely something to be said for UFC taking alot of the characters and
hungry challengers - they learned from the mistakes of boxing as a
sport.......to be blunt, while Klitschkos are indeed the top of the tree, I
think I'd like them alot more if they actually went out to win the fights
rather than jabbed at range. Can't fault it as a strategy of course, just
I'd prefer to watch lesser quality prize fighter level guys slugging it out
with an honest effort.
That said, Germany and that crowd will pay the money to watch the brothers
so its hardly like they NEED the crowds from UK and USA to get interested,
they have it all sewn up!
Mr.Will
hungry challengers - they learned from the mistakes of boxing as a
sport.......to be blunt, while Klitschkos are indeed the top of the tree, I
think I'd like them alot more if they actually went out to win the fights
rather than jabbed at range. Can't fault it as a strategy of course, just
I'd prefer to watch lesser quality prize fighter level guys slugging it out
with an honest effort.
That said, Germany and that crowd will pay the money to watch the brothers
so its hardly like they NEED the crowds from UK and USA to get interested,
they have it all sewn up!
Mr.Will
DCI
May 1, 2013, 6:15:34 PM5/1/13
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May 2, 2013, 1:10:00 PM5/2/13
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Emanuel Berg
May 2, 2013, 5:12:38 PM5/2/13
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> The Klitchko brother have an incredible focus on their jobs, beat
> the opponents! Only aging can stop them from such domination of the
> heavyweights.
Yes! This is what people don't get. The see some huge challenger from
> the opponents! Only aging can stop them from such domination of the
> heavyweights.
some huge country. Wlad is huge and from a huge country. So it should
be a pretty close fight, right? *Wrong*! You are not only fighting the
man Wlad. Or, rather, you are fighting parts of him that are not
obvious by physical inspection. You fight the boxing knowledge of both
brothers, and of the expert top-notch trainers they've hired. They are
fighting the work habits of the Soviet Union! What to eat, drink, how
to sleep, recover, not get injured, how to recuperate, training
knowledge, training equipment and facilities, quality sparring
partners, the confidence, ease-of-mind, and relaxation that comes with
being an affluent superstar, everything. If you are just a big Pole, a
big Turk, a big whatever, and think you have a shot, you don't.
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>> The Klitchko brother have an incredible focus on their jobs, beat
>> the opponents! Only aging can stop them from such domination of the
>> heavyweights.
>
> Yes! This is what people don't get. The see some huge challenger from
> some huge country. Wlad is huge and from a huge country. So it should
> be a pretty close fight, right? *Wrong*! You are not only fighting the
> man Wlad. Or, rather, you are fighting parts of him that are not
> obvious by physical inspection. You fight the boxing knowledge of both
> brothers, and of the expert top-notch trainers they've hired. They are
> fighting the work habits of the Soviet Union! What to eat, drink, how
> to sleep, recover, not get injured, how to recuperate, training
> knowledge, training equipment and facilities, quality sparring
> partners, the confidence, ease-of-mind, and relaxation that comes with
> being an affluent superstar, everything. If you are just a big Pole, a
> big Turk, a big whatever, and think you have a shot, you don't.
Very good point, he's got the best of both worlds, the old Soviet sports
>> the opponents! Only aging can stop them from such domination of the
>> heavyweights.
>
> Yes! This is what people don't get. The see some huge challenger from
> some huge country. Wlad is huge and from a huge country. So it should
> be a pretty close fight, right? *Wrong*! You are not only fighting the
> man Wlad. Or, rather, you are fighting parts of him that are not
> obvious by physical inspection. You fight the boxing knowledge of both
> brothers, and of the expert top-notch trainers they've hired. They are
> fighting the work habits of the Soviet Union! What to eat, drink, how
> to sleep, recover, not get injured, how to recuperate, training
> knowledge, training equipment and facilities, quality sparring
> partners, the confidence, ease-of-mind, and relaxation that comes with
> being an affluent superstar, everything. If you are just a big Pole, a
> big Turk, a big whatever, and think you have a shot, you don't.
mentality *and* the freedom & money to get the best of everything he needs.
Obvious comparison is the "Ivan Drago" character, no emotion just pure
science. I get the feeling he gets *everything* spot on with his preparation
and recovery, every little percentage checked and double-checked.
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