Coley: DLH Won't Put Fists Where His Mouth Is
Paul Dalrymple
By ED SCHUYLER JR.
Associated Press
(February 17, 2000 8:24 p.m. EST) - Derrell Coley doesn't think Oscar De La
Hoya will fight like he says when they meet next Friday night in Madison
Square Garden.
"De La Hoya says he's going to make it a rumble, but I seriously doubt it,"
Coley said Thursday. "Everything he says he's going to do, he doesn't."
It will be De La Hoya's first fight since losing the WBC welterweight title
on a majority decision to Felix Trinidad Sept. 18, and he has said, "I can't
let the judges handle it. I'm coming out with anger. No more boxing. It's
very sad people don't appreciate boxing any more."
David Reid, the WBA junior middleweight champion, agrees with Coley.
"He (De La Hoya) hates to be hit, so he won't take any chances in this
fight," said Reid, who on March 3 will defend the 154-pound title against
Trinidad, the IBF 147-pound champion. "I think Coley will give a clinic for
as long as it lasts. After Feb. 26, you won't be hearing any more talk about
Oscar moving up to 154 pounds. It wouldn't surprise me if he moved back down
to 140."
De La Hoya (31-1, 25 KOs), who has held titles in four weight classes, has
been criticized for seemingly paying more attention to his music - he's
recorded a vocal album - and his endorsement careers than to boxing.
"Oscar is too busy planning his 2000 calendar, when he should be training
for his fight with Derrell," Reid said.
Should Trinidad beat Reid for the junior middleweight title and relinquish
his welterweight title, the winner of the Coley-De La Hoya fight would be
recognized as welterweight champion by the WBC. If Trinidad chooses to
remain welterweight champ, he would have to make a WBC mandatory defense
against either Coley or De La Hoya.
Should Trinidad remain a junior middleweight, the IBF 147-pound title would
become vacant.
"It's a WBC title fight, in my opinion," said Barry Linde, Coley's manger.
"Trinidad is not going to fight us."
For Coley, the 12-round fight, even if it turns out not to be for a title,
is about recognition.
"It's about proving to the world that I can beat the best fighter," said
Coley (34-1-2, 24 knockouts), who will be making more than $1 million, the
biggest payday of a career filled with frustration.
De La Hoya has said that he never heard of Coley until the first news
conference for their match was held in December.
"I think it's a lie," said Coley, who accused De La Hoya of ducking him.
"He's fought everybody immediately rated above and below me during his
welterweight title reign."
Coley was long ranked No. 1 by the WBC until being dropped to No. 2 behind
De La Hoya after the Golden Boy lost to Trinidad.
De La Hoya, who was leading on two cards and was even on the third, chose to
stay away from Trinidad in the final three rounds. Trinidad won all three
rounds in the opinion of two judges and was awarded two of the three by the
third judge.
"They both looked terrible in that fight," Coley said. "They were a disgrace
to the welterweight division."
Peter Dellys
> "I think it's a lie," said Coley, who accused De La Hoya of ducking him.
> "He's fought everybody immediately rated above and below me during his
> welterweight title reign."
Has he now? He hasn't fought Forrest or Taylor.
PD
nigelm...@my-deja.com
"Paul Dalrymple" <Paul...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
> David Reid, the WBA junior middleweight champion, agrees with Coley.
>
> "He (De La Hoya) hates to be hit, so he won't take any chances in this
> fight," said Reid,
>
Personally I have never been overly impressed with David Reid, yes he
does have breathtaking hand speed, and an outstanding physique, but he
shouldn’t mention Mr. De La Hoya’s aversion to getting stricken in the
face, because Mr. Reid himself doesn’t seem too devotedly attached to
said punishment.
With the exception of marvelling at the man’s athleticism, I quite
honestly find very little to get excited about when watching a David
Reid bout.
>
>"I think Coley will give a clinic for
> as long as it lasts. After Feb. 26, you won't be hearing any more
talk about
> Oscar moving up to 154 pounds. It wouldn't surprise me if he moved
back down
> to 140."
>
Oscar De La Hoya looked to be in extraordinary physical condition for
he’s fight with Felix Trinidad, he seems to be at the point where he
can effortlessly make welterweight for another couple of years as long
as he remains disciplined, but the implication that he could make a 140
lbs weigh-in is preposterous.
De La Hoya presently does 90 situps per day when in training camp by
choosing one of the possible 3 variations of the exercise:
1) Jacknife situps with twist.
2) Crunch situps.
3) Knee raises.
I dare say he could perform 1500 situps per day, go on an extreme diet,
run 10 miles per day, and he still couldn’t approach Super-Lightweight
unless he joined a concentration camp.
Or he could make such weight by sacrificing muscle mass (I believe you
lose 1 lbs of muscle for every 3 lbs of fatty tissue), then he would go
into the ring so weakened, and dehydrated that a good punch to the
skull would put him in a coma, and nearly kill him much like Oliver
Spencer nearly did.
Cheers
Nigel Matthews
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Michael Munger
> Coley sure is talking some shit considering he's gonna get his ass kicked
> next week. This chump hasn't fought since April of last yr (a 6th-rd KO of
> the legendary Ivan Ledon). Before that he stopped the mighty Mike Bryan.
> He's only fought 5 times in 3 years, and remind me who he beat to deserve
> a Top 10 rating? Romallis Ellis? Kip Diggs? (Those were 3 yrs ago anyway).
>
> Coley is a great offensive fighter - I've seen him spar and watched many
> of his fights. But his D sucks and his chin is china. I expect de la Hoya
> to do a repeat of his '97 turnaround - when he was criticised in the
> Whitaker fight and then came out blazing the next time. And, frankly, I
> expect the same result as then when he dominated and KOed David Kamau:
> KO2.
------
Damn right, fella.
A lot of people will moan and bitch about De La Hoya but they won't
admit that he did what a lot of fighters refuse to do, fighting against
the best in his category. I'm not too sure if he is overprotected after
taking on Quartey, Trinidad and Carr. Look at a lot of champions, they
avoid other champions or the top contenders unless the federation forces
them to do so.
Who is turning the fight offer down ? Trinidad. Funny enough, on the
night of the fight, he said to De La Hoya that he had won the fight.
Then he jumped in surprise when he was awarded the decision. Then he
said DLH DESERVED a rematch. After that, DLH promised that if he had
another fight with Trinidad, he would aim for the clear win by knockout
and that he would have to brawl this time. Not long after that, Trinidad
started to turn the offer down. Then he made declarations about him
being the only one who handed DLH a defeat (did you knock him out ?) and
says he has no plans to fight him. Chicken, chicken, bawk bawk.
Not only did DLH fight the best but he hasn't been knocked out by them.
One of his wins was a bit controversial but his only loss was also
controversial.
People can whine as much as they wan't, Trinidad's KO prediction didn't
materialize. Nor did he beat De La Hoya without reasonable doubt. If he
was such a great champion, he would be INSULTED by a decision win. DLH
should be ashamed of trying to win that fight with a decision. If Tito
was such a great puncher, why didn't his best punches stop De La Hoya or
at least hurt him badly ? Or why did so many of them miss the target ?
De La Hoya took those three big right hands in the last rounds but I
haven't seen his knees giving in and him going down on the mat. And
we're talking about shots that FELIX TRINIDAD gave him. After 9 rounds
of boxing and 3 rounds of defensive BS, his face wasn't so messed up.
Trinidad started bleeding quite early when taking a lot of combinations,
on the other hand.
No Felix, not all your opponents want to stand in the corner and wait to
get knocked out.
Michael
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the Nay Sayer
Michael Munger wrote:
>
> In article, fei...@hotmail.com (Phrank Da Slugger) wrote:
>
<Snippage>
> ------
>
> Damn right, fella.
>
> A lot of people will moan and bitch about De La Hoya but they won't
> admit that he did what a lot of fighters refuse to do, fighting against
> the best in his category. I'm not too sure if he is overprotected after
> taking on Quartey, Trinidad and Carr. Look at a lot of champions, they
> avoid other champions or the top contenders unless the federation forces
> them to do so.
>
No real argument here...
> Who is turning the fight offer down ? Trinidad. Funny enough, on the
> night of the fight, he said to De La Hoya that he had won the fight.
> Then he jumped in surprise when he was awarded the decision. Then he
> said DLH DESERVED a rematch. After that, DLH promised that if he had
> another fight with Trinidad, he would aim for the clear win by knockout
> and that he would have to brawl this time. Not long after that, Trinidad
> started to turn the offer down. Then he made declarations about him
> being the only one who handed DLH a defeat (did you knock him out ?) and
> says he has no plans to fight him. Chicken, chicken, bawk bawk.
>
Body Snatcher mode ON...
It seems that ODLH's camp doesn't want the fight unless THEY get to
dictate the terms of the fight. Last time Tito got 10 mil and the
Golden Girl got 20. King says turn-about is fair play. It's the Golden
Girl's camp that doesn't think the money they offered to Tito is a fair
amount for the Golden Girl in the rematch. Seems to me that the Golden
Girl should agree to take LESS money than Tito seeing that the Golden
Girl lost last time out... AND... Since when has the Golden Girl ever
did anything he has said. He'll probably run like a BITCH again in the
rematch...
> Not only did DLH fight the best but he hasn't been knocked out by them.
> One of his wins was a bit controversial but his only loss was also
> controversial.
>
I think your math is OFF. Have you ever heard the name Pernell
Whitaker...
> People can whine as much as they wan't, Trinidad's KO prediction didn't
> materialize. Nor did he beat De La Hoya without reasonable doubt. If he
> was such a great champion, he would be INSULTED by a decision win. DLH
> should be ashamed of trying to win that fight with a decision. If Tito
> was such a great puncher, why didn't his best punches stop De La Hoya or
> at least hurt him badly ?
It would seem that Tito's punches hurt enough to keep the Golden Girl on
his bicycle in the later rounds...
> Or why did so many of them miss the target ?
See above...
> De La Hoya took those three big right hands in the last rounds but I
> haven't seen his knees giving in and him going down on the mat.
He was too busy using those knees running for his life...
And
> we're talking about shots that FELIX TRINIDAD gave him. After 9 rounds
> of boxing and 3 rounds of defensive BS, his face wasn't so messed up.
He had been training with Carl Lewis...
> Trinidad started bleeding quite early when taking a lot of combinations,
> on the other hand.
>
> No Felix, not all your opponents want to stand in the corner and wait to
> get knocked out.
>
Well, in the case of the Golden Girl, his opponents will run like a
BITCH to avoid being KO'ed...
the Nay Sayer says:
If astounds me as to how some people can defend the Golden Girl's
chicken shit tactics. The bottom line is he ran like a scared little
BITCH and in the end the judges treated him like one. ODLH has NO
honor...
the Nay Sayer
Michael Munger
> It seems that ODLH's camp doesn't want the fight unless THEY get to
> dictate the terms of the fight. Last time Tito got 10 mil and the
> Golden Girl got 20. King says turn-about is fair play. It's the Golden
> Girl's camp that doesn't think the money they offered to Tito is a fair
> amount for the Golden Girl in the rematch. Seems to me that the Golden
> Girl should agree to take LESS money than Tito seeing that the Golden
> Girl lost last time out... AND... Since when has the Golden Girl ever
> did anything he has said. He'll probably run like a BITCH again in the
> rematch...
------------
1- He was wrong to use such a tactic in the last three rounds and I
don't know if you read it, but I said that. Hello...
2- Look at what Trinidad said to the media and see who's running from
who. Trinidad from De La Hoya.
michael meza
Trinidad which was evident in their fight.He can say what he wants but
he doesn't want anymore of Tito.De L Hoya runs from anyone that gives
him a test.And now that he's gotten beaten he's in no hurry to step in
the ring with Trinidad again.Shit i don't even think he'll fight
Mosley.Evident that this guy has no heart.Ipersonally would be ashamed
to be a fan of a bitch fighter like Oscar.Why most of you fans are not
is beyond me.
Michael Munger
> Ipersonally would be ashamed
> to be a fan of a bitch fighter like Oscar.Why most of you fans are not
> is beyond me.
---------------
I'd be ashamed of being a fan of Felix Trinidad. Look at the first nine
rounds of that bout. Even when DLH wasn't running away, Trinidad
couldn't corner him for good and make him pay the price for stepping in
the ring. Trinidad took better punches than he gave and he couldn't
follow up when he touched the target.
Then DLH runs away during three rounds.
Then Tito comes to us saying that he "handed" the defeat. No, he was
GIVEN that victory by a De La Hoya who forgot that even if you, in
theory, should win the fight, the judges don't always score it as it
happens (the first Lewis-Holyfield ANYONE ?) and that any slown down
will cost you.
Tito didn't do anything to actually win, De La Hoya didn't actually do
anything to deserve winning either.
I'm not blind enough to say that DLH did everything right. But my sight
is good enough to see what he did right and what he did wrong.
On the other side, you look at the last three rounds and the result,
then DELIBERATELY REFUSE to talk about the rest of the fight. The rest
of that fight was a boxing clinic graciously offered by De La Hoya to
the expense of Felix Trinidad.
None of you DLH bashers have ever mentionned that, while DLH fans with a
clear sight admit that yes, he was wrong when running during the last
three rounds.
If a hockey team scored several goals in its own net, you'd probably say
that the winning team was the best anyway since the goals were awarded
to them. But who scored the goals ? Not the winners.
Your perspective makes me laugh because it is one-sided without an ounce
of criticism for the fighter you defend. While on the other side, I do
criticize De La Hoya for what he did wrong.
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