Boxer's Strengths & Weaknesses
mth...@ea.com
Hello!
I would like to ask the readers and users of this page for some
inforamation regarding the following boxers, who are either current or
past champions in their resepctive weight classes.
If anyone, or all of you, could send me some general weaknesses and
strengths of the following people, up to 5, or more of both, if you think
of any, I would be most greatly thankful. I'm doing this for a research
paper, which is due relativly soon, so if any of you can send me some
feedback on the following people, their strengths and weaknesses, you
would have my thanks.
Or.. if you can point me in the direction of where I might find this info,
that would be greatly appreciated as well.
Here's the list of the fighters!
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Muhammad Ali
Archie Moore
Floyd Patterson
Sonny Liston
Ken Norton
Shane Mosley
Bob Foster
Pernell Whitaker
David Tua
Kevin Kelley
Jack Dempsey
Joe Louis
Roberto Duran
Leon Spinks
Rocky Marciano
Oscar De La Hoya
Earnie Shavers
Carlos Navarro
Junior Jones
Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Larry Holmes
Ray Robinson
Danny Romero
Mark Johnson
Virgil Hill
Johnny Tapia
Hector Camacho
Michael Carbajal
Marvin Hagler
Michael Spinks
Roy Jones Jr.
Aaron Pryor
Thomas Hearns
Anything, ANYTHING would be most appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
- Martin Theyer
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Marty & Boxing Wise
mth...@ea.com wrote:
>Hello!
>I would like to ask the readers and users of this page for some
>inforamation regarding the following boxers, who are either current or
>past champions in their resepctive weight classes.
>If anyone, or all of you, could send me some general weaknesses and
>strengths of the following people, up to 5, or more of both, if you think
>of any, I would be most greatly thankful. I'm doing this for a research
>paper, which is due relativly soon, so if any of you can send me some
>feedback on the following people, their strengths and weaknesses, you
>would have my thanks.
>Or.. if you can point me in the direction of where I might find this info,
>that would be greatly appreciated as well.
>Here's the list of the fighters!
>-------> List <----------
>Muhammad Ali
Strength: chin and footwork
weaknes: overconfidence maybe, didnt know when too quit.
>Archie Moore
Strength: Power in both hands and knew every trick.
Weaknesses: In his prime none, maybe prone to cuts.
>Floyd Patterson
Strength: Always in shape, fast hands
Wekaness: weak Chin
>Sonny Liston
Strength: Great jab, and intimidating
Weakness: not very mobile stamina maybe
>Ken Norton
Strength: always in top contitidon
weakness: not really big enough and fades in late rounds
>Shane Mosley
strength: speed and youth
weakness: keeps hands low, doesnt jab well
>Bob Foster
strength: power, reach advantage and great jab
weakness: none at lightheavy...too small for heavyies
>Pernell Whitaker
Strength: Great defense, uses feet well to create space
weakness: no power, off balance alot causes flash knockdowns
>David Tua
Strength: good left hook and body work
weakness: one dimensional does not adjust to opponents strategies
>Kevin Kelley
Sterngth: good boxer, decent power good jab.
Weakness: bad defense, tendency to swell or cut
>Jack Dempsey
Strength: Power,killer instinct
weakness: can be outboxed and maybe a bit slow in his footwork.
>Joe Louis
Strength: power,speed, great footwork, and maybe the best feints of
all-time.
weakness: did hit the canvas some and boxers gave him some trouble
>Roberto Duran
Strength: intimidating, can take a punch and had good power in lower
weights
weakness: can be outjabbed and was frustrated by boxers
>Leon Spinks
Strength: could take a punch.
Weakness: never had alot of pro experience.
>Rocky Marciano
Strength: always in top shape, endurance, big hook.
Weakness: chin would put him on the canvas but he did get back up all
the time, maybe lack of great opposition
>Oscar De La Hoya
Strength: speed, jab and patience.
weakness: refuses to fight anyone who is under 35 or has a punch, does
not cut the ring off well.
>Earnie Shavers
Strength: power
Wekaness: chin
>Carlos Navarro
>Junior Jones
Strength: reach advantage, good power.
weakness: chin and stamina
>Lennox Lewis
Strength: overhand right, listens to his corner, great power,
confidence.
weakness: worst footwork I have ever seen of a heavyweight champ.
>Evander Holyfield
Strength: ability to take punishment, always in top shape, will to
win.
weakness: gets lured into shootouts and defense
>Larry Holmes
Strength: great jab, experience, ability to take a punch
weakness: not may in his prime, tended to give away rounds and coast
when he was way ahead.
>Ray Robinson
Strength: great balance, power did everything well
weakness: none in his prime, tendency to brawl late in his carrer
>Danny Romero
Strength: power and good body work.
weakness: bruises alot, did not cut off the ring against Tapia.
>Mark Johnson
Strength: unmatched speed, takes a good punch, has fought the best
opponents possible.
weakness: brawls too much when he could outbox most anyone.
>Virgil Hill
Strength: jab and smart in the ring, good movement
weakness: has troubel with a opponent who has a reach advantage.
>Johnny Tapia
Strength: always motivated, good all around skills, jabs well.
weakness: too willing to exchange punches for the crowd
>Hector Camacho
Strength: speed and footwork.
weakness: not willing to take chanches in the ring.
>Michael Carbajal
strength: power, jab and reach.
weakness: cuts, defense late in his carrer.
>Marvin Hagler
Strengths: did everything well always in shape and did not trust
judges, great chin.
weaknes: none really maybe he could be beaten by a fighter with fast
hands.
>Michael Spinks
Strength: reach, jab, power had it all at lightheavy
weakness: could be pushed around and laid on the ropes a bit too much
>Roy Jones Jr.
Strength: speed, power and is awkward
weakness: mental makeup seems to not want to fight the best for under
10 million dollars, when he was challenged by Griffin he lost his
cool.
>Aaron Pryor
Strength: speed, punch and ability to absorb punishment and constant
pressure on his opponent.
weakness: none in the ring
>Thomas Hearns
strength: boxing ability, reach and power
weakness: his chin
The Sanity Cruzer
Marty & Boxing Wise wrote:
>
> >Muhammad Ali
> Strength: chin and footwork
Hand speed and will to win.
> weaknes: overconfidence maybe, didnt know when too quit.
Could not fight on the inside! Later in his career, didn't train well.
> >Archie Moore
> Strength: Power in both hands and knew every trick.
Good defense.
> Weaknesses: In his prime none, maybe prone to cuts.
Cuts?
> >Ken Norton
> Strength: always in top contitidon
Good jab and defense against the jab.
> weakness: not really big enough and fades in late rounds
Could not fight going backwards.
> >Shane Mosley
> strength: speed and youth
> weakness: keeps hands low, doesnt jab well
Inexperienced.
> >David Tua
> Strength: good left hook and body work
Carries his power late into the fight.
> weakness: one dimensional does not adjust to opponents strategies
'Easily' outboxed, essentially a one handed fighter.
> >Kevin Kelley
> Strength: good boxer, decent power good jab.
Big heart, he's in the fight until the end.
> Weakness: bad defense, tendency to swell or cut
Too willing to be in a war.
> >Joe Louis
> Strength: power,speed, great footwork, and maybe the best feints of
> all-time.
Economical with his energy and movement.
> weakness: did hit the canvas some and boxers gave him some trouble
> >Roberto Duran
> Strength: intimidating, can take a punch and had good power in lower
> weights
Underrated as a boxer. Killer instinct, relentless, great body puncher,
great chin (regardless of Hearns kayo by)
> weakness: can be outjabbed and was frustrated by boxers
Movers could frustrate him, only for awhile usually.
> >Earnie Shavers
> Strength: power
> Weakness: chin
Was not a good boxer.
> >Junior Jones
> Strength: reach advantage, good power.
Good jab, boxer-puncher
> weakness: chin and stamina
Tendency to want to fight when he should be boxing.
> >Lennox Lewis
> Strength: overhand right, listens to his corner, great power,
> confidence.
> weakness: worst footwork I have ever seen of a heavyweight champ.
Does not listen to his corner, makes some fights tougher than they
should be. Not a relaxed fighter, in his head too much of the time.
> >Evander Holyfield
> Strength: ability to take punishment, always in top shape, will to
> win.
Able to maintain a fight plan.
> weakness: gets lured into shootouts and defense
Not a real big heavyweight.
> >Larry Holmes
> Strength: great jab, experience, ability to take a punch
> weakness: not may in his prime, tended to give away rounds and coast
> when he was way ahead.
Didn't have real power for a big heavyweight. Had a bad attitude about
his place in boxing history.
> >Danny Romero
> Strength: power and good body work.
> weakness: bruises alot, did not cut off the ring against Tapia.
Lousy corner/trainer, does not fight with a fire underneath him when he
needs it.
> >Virgil Hill
> Strength: jab and smart in the ring, good movement
An awkward southpaw.
> weakness: has troubel with a opponent who has a reach advantage.
Not much of a right hand, mainly a one-handed fighter. Boring.
> >Johnny Tapia
> Strength: always motivated, good all around skills, jabs well.
Always in shape, good boxing skills. Able to feed off of the crowd,
fights with emotion as an ally.
> weakness: too willing to exchange punches for the crowd
Not a big puncher with the better fighters. Wastes energy.
> >Hector Camacho
> Strength: speed and footwork.
Was an incredible boxer in his prime, and has a great chin.
> weakness: not willing to take chanches in the ring.
Let his prime years slip away.
> >Michael Carbajal
> strength: power, jab and reach.
> weakness: cuts, defense late in his carrer.
Made way too many of his fights into tough fights. Too macho for his
own good.
> >Marvin Hagler
> Strengths: did everything well always in shape and did not trust
> judges, great chin.
> weakness: none really maybe he could be beaten by a fighter with fast
> hands.
Not a real good in-fighter. Generally didn't have to be.
> >Michael Spinks
> Strength: reach, jab, power had it all at lightheavy
Very awkward and difficult to fight at LH.
> weakness: could be pushed around and laid on the ropes a bit too much
Laid on the ropes?
> >Roy Jones Jr.
> Strength: speed, power and is awkward
> weakness: mental makeup seems to not want to fight the best for under
> 10 million dollars, when he was challenged by Griffin he lost his
> cool.
Does not utilize his jab sufficiently. A headcase.
> >Aaron Pryor
> Strength: speed, punch and ability to absorb punishment and constant
> pressure on his opponent.
> weakness: none in the ring
Left himself open to too many shots. Fortunately, he had a top notch
beard.
> >Thomas Hearns
> strength: boxing ability, reach and power
Fearless, very confident.
> weakness: his chin
Could not take body punches either. Does not know when to quit.
The Sanity Cruzer
don griffen
ken norton weekness was easily intimadated by big punches. he would
freeze up aganst big punchers,
Gregory Gliedman
The Sanity Cruzer wrote:
>
> Marty & Boxing Wise wrote:
> >
> > >Muhammad Ali
> > Strength: chin and footwork
>
> Hand speed and will to win.
Destroyed fighters psychologically both before and during the fight,
distracting from focus. (BTW that's an "in addition to"...I don't
disagree on any of the above)
>
> > weaknes: overconfidence maybe, didnt know when too quit.
>
> Could not fight on the inside! Later in his career, didn't train well.
Didn't know when to quit. You wouldn't train well if you were passing
out from the early stages of Parkinson's.
>
> > >Archie Moore
> > Strength: Power in both hands and knew every trick.
>
> Good defense.
>
> > Weaknesses: In his prime none, maybe prone to cuts.
>
> Cuts?
>
> > >Ken Norton
> > Strength: always in top contitidon
>
> Good jab and defense against the jab.
>
> > weakness: not really big enough and fades in late rounds
>
> Could not fight going backwards.
Didn't really consider boxing a real career until it was too late.
It's funny that you should point to Norton's condition. As you point
out, he faded late, and he's listed after two of the hardest trainers of
all time (when Ali was in his prime anyway).
> > >Marvin Hagler
> > Strengths: did everything well always in shape and did not trust
> > judges, great chin.
> > weakness: none really maybe he could be beaten by a fighter with fast
> > hands.
>
> Not a real good in-fighter. Generally didn't have to be.
Really? He always looked like he won those wars on the inside to me.
GG
Mr. David M. Murphy
From: jcc...@webtv.net (don griffen)
>ken norton weekness was easily intimadated by big punches. he would >freeze up aganst big punchers,
Norton also used the cross armed defense,which helped him when he
fought a jabber like Ali or Holmes(even though he lost 3 of 4 to them,
he was definitely a thorn in their sides )whereas when he fought
someone who could throw hard looping shots like Foreman,Shavers or Cooney,he was much more vulnerable.
TyroneTric
A prime Archie Moore
Strenghts:Power, smarts, toughness, trickery
Weakness:Ezzard Charles
TYRONE
Ted Lidsky
was Shorty Hogue who beat him three times and Eddie Booker who drew with
Moore twice and KO'd him once.
Matt Tegen
Moore's biggest problem was with hooks his cross-armed defense made it
hard to hit him up the middle but Marciano and Charles had good hooks
and Patterson put him away with one. He also went down 4 times against
Yvon Durelle a good hooker. That's my take it least.
Matt Tegen
The Sanity Cruzer
Matt Tegen wrote:
>
> He also went down 4 times against
> Yvon Durelle a good hooker. That's my take it least.
>
> Matt Tegen
I think you should avoid going down with hookers. Just my opinion.
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Gregory Gliedman
Ted Lidsky wrote:
>
> TyroneTric wrote:
> >
> > A prime Archie Moore
> >
> > Strenghts:Power, smarts, toughness, trickery
> >
> > Weakness:Ezzard Charles
> >
> > TYRONE
> There were a couple of other guys who also had Archie's number; one
> was Shorty Hogue who beat him three times and Eddie Booker who drew with
> Moore twice and KO'd him once.
Good Archie Moore story: Moore saw Lloyd Marshall (I think, my source
material is in storage) KO a friend of his in the last round of a fight
he had dominated. Moore resented this breach of professional ethics and
told Marshall he'd do the same to him, which he did. Next fight, Jimmy
Bivins came up to Moore and told him that he hadn't liked what he did to
Marshall the KO'd him in 6...that's the way Archie told it anyway in
Heller's In This Corner...
GG
Ted Lidsky
Gregory Gliedman wrote:
> Good Archie Moore story: Moore saw Lloyd Marshall (I think, my source
> material is in storage) KO a friend of his in the last round of a fight
> he had dominated. Moore resented this breach of professional ethics and
> told Marshall he'd do the same to him, which he did. Next fight, Jimmy
> Bivins came up to Moore and told him that he hadn't liked what he did to
> Marshall the KO'd him in 6...that's the way Archie told it anyway in
> Heller's In This Corner...
>
> GG
Here's another Moore story. In his 50th fight, Moore fought
ex-middleweight champ Teddy Yarosz. The following is from the St.
Louis Dispatch of April 21, 1939.
"Archie Moore stood under a shower cooling off after his defeat on
points in a 10 round bout at the auditorium last night at the hands of
Teddy Yarosz, former middleweight champion of the world, and sadly
remarked that Yarosz just had too much experience for him.
‘He just had too much up here' Moore smiled, tapping his head, ‘ and I
guess in this game you gotta go through such experiences, but I'll keep
trying.'"
"So proficient was Teddy that the fans left the building no longer
wondering how Teddy could have been boxing in the top flight of the 160
pounders for 10 years and show only one little scar on his face."
Everybody knows that Archie was one of the wiliest fighters ever. Makes
you wonder just how good were fighters like Yarosz and so many others
for whom there's no film record.
The Sanity Cruzer
Ted Lidsky wrote:
>
> Everybody knows that Archie was one of the wiliest fighters ever. Makes
> you wonder just how good were fighters like Yarosz and so many others
> for whom there's no film record.
Maybe he coulda been a contender today? ;->
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Helgi Briem
LOL Good one Sanity.
Helgi Briem
15af...@rcmail.org.uk
> Hello!
>
> I would like to ask the readers and users of this page for some
> inforamation regarding the following boxers, who are either current or
> past champions in their resepctive weight classes.
>
> If anyone, or all of you, could send me some general weaknesses and
> strengths of the following people, up to 5, or more of both, if you think
> of any, I would be most greatly thankful. I'm doing this for a research
> paper, which is due relativly soon, so if any of you can send me some
> feedback on the following people, their strengths and weaknesses, you
> would have my thanks.
>
> Or.. if you can point me in the direction of where I might find this info,
> that would be greatly appreciated as well.
>
> Here's the list of the fighters!
>
> -------> List <----------
>