Angelo Dundee and Gil Clancy boxed, didn't they?
Chris Tsao
be a trainer? From sparring? Or they did box, but very briefly? Dundee doesn't
look like he'd be too good. What successful boxing trainers never boxed as
amatuers or professionals and how did they llearn how to be a trainer if they
never boxed? Or were there none? Thank you.
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Bobby Bearden
Chris Tsao <rigid...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Angelo boxed a few times in the army during World War II and worked as a
corner man. After the war, he went to work for his brother, Chris Dundee,
who was a fight manager in New York. He spent a lot of time with Charlie
Goldman (Marciano's trainer) and learned a lot from him and other top
trainers.
Eventually, Dundee became the trainer for Carmen Basilio. In 1960 he was
hired to train Cassius Clay.
Chris Dundee started managing fighters in 1928 and had about 300 fighters
over the years. His best known fighter was Ezzard Charles, who became
heavyweight champion while managed by Chris Dundee.
Gil Clancy never boxed.
On the other hand, Charlie Goldman (Marciano's trainer), and Jack Blackburn
(Joe Louis's trainer) fought hundreds of bouts before becoming trainers.
Goldman is thought to have fought at least 400 times, and Blackburn around
300 times.
Eddie Futch boxed as an amateur and won some titles, including a Golden
Gloves title, but he couldn't turn pro when it was discovered he had a heart
murmur. As an amateur he worked out in the same gym with young Joe Louis and
they sparred quite a bit.
Lou Duva boxed as both pro and amateur and won the New Jersey Diamond Gloves
welterweight championship.
Gus D'Amato never boxed. He took Floyd Patterson to the heavyweight title,
Jose Torres to the light heavyweight title, and was Mike Tyson's original
trainer.
Ray Arcel didn't box, but he trained the most world champions of anyone,
twenty, including Barney Ross, Jimmy Braddock, Ezzard Charles, Tony Zale,
Roberto Duran and Larry Holmes.
Braddock was champion 1935-37 and Holmes 1978-85. That's a 50 year span from
one heavyweight champion to the other for Arcel.
Jack Kearns fought as a pro about 60 times. He managed Harry Wills, Jack
Dempsey, Mickey Walker, Joey Maxim, and Archie Moore.
Emanuel Steward boxed as an amateur and had a 94-3 record and won the 1963
National Golden Gloves.
Those who didn't box learned their trade by putting in their time working as
corner men and cut men and assisting older trainers.
Bobby Bearden
Melanie Ley
<th...@digitalexp.com> wrote:
>Eddie Futch boxed as an amateur and won some titles, including a Golden
>Gloves title,
But *not* a Golden Gloves national championship.
>Emanuel Steward boxed as an amateur and had a 94-3 record and won the 1963
>National Golden Gloves.
At 118 Lbs. (that was the actual weight division!).
Mel
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Bobby Bearden
Melanie Ley <box...@nowhere.biz> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:25:01 -0400, "Bobby Bearden"
> <th...@digitalexp.com> wrote:
>
> >Eddie Futch boxed as an amateur and won some titles, including a Golden
> >Gloves title,
>
> But *not* a Golden Gloves national championship.
>
No, not national. Detroit Golden Gloves. Not as big a deal, as my father was
a regional Golden Gloves champion but never won the national.
By the way, Mel, is there any source that lists all the Golden Gloves
champions down to regional level?
Bobby Bearden
Melanie Ley
<th...@digitalexp.com> wrote:
>No, not national. Detroit Golden Gloves. Not as big a deal, as my father was
>a regional Golden Gloves champion but never won the national.
The only *big deal* in Golden Gloves is winning a national
championship.
>By the way, Mel, is there any source that lists all the Golden Gloves
>champions down to regional level?
Only the national champions are listed. IF their web site is
working, you can find that listing at www.goldengloves.com. I think
it's under "Past Champions."
It would be an enormous undertaking to list all 35 franchises
regional champions from the beginning. It's doubtful that information
could even be found..........
Chris Tsao
Thank you.
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Gil Clancy also boxed in the army and won several bouts