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The Sanity Cruzer

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Apr 5, 2004, 4:33:19 PM4/5/04
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I think the UFC will overtake boxing in popularity if it keeps having
exciting fight cards, as has been the case recently. Their fights used to
be boring, but the rules have changed and fighters have adapted. Also, the
best fights are being made and fighters still want to fight and they want
to, in general, fight the best opponents available. OTOH, boxing is such a
hit and miss (in more than one way) proposition. One never knows if he is
going to be seeing a mismatch, a boring fight or, even on occasion, a top
flight bout. The difference is, with the UFC, you have come to expect
highly anticipated and exciting bouts. With boxing, highly anticipated and
exciting bouts are not usually happening on the same night.


Marin Mauler

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Apr 5, 2004, 4:36:55 PM4/5/04
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It's my opinion that the UFC should be a purgatory for over-the-hill retired
Prize Fighters that wasted all their money and are willing to degrade
themselves for cash. No offense intended, of course.

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Brian

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Apr 5, 2004, 5:39:16 PM4/5/04
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I don't think many talented young men will be drawn to it right now or in the
future. More money in team sports and more chance to succeed. No college
scholarships for boxing. The chances of making real money, or even garnering
worldwide praise and respect are very low. You can make more money in a lot of
other things and not abuse your body or risk your life. The money and
opportunity in team sports is incredible.
<I took the RSB Pledge - 2002>

Brian

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Apr 5, 2004, 5:43:38 PM4/5/04
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That reality show on NBC, the Contender could help the sport out a little.
Maybe some positive portrayals of boxing could life fan interest and with more
fans more money will be there for people considering boxing as a sport.

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Contender/

Franky I dont know why boxing isn't bigger. It's been mismanaged and run into
the ground by criminals like Don King. It is perfect for TV, one of the most
dramatic things to watch and the rules are simple. Visually its probalby the
most exciting sport outside of football to televise.

Marin Mauler

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Apr 5, 2004, 5:49:46 PM4/5/04
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I agree that Contender will give a boost to the sport. What I would really
like to see is for a new champion to come into boxing, able to lay claim to
the title of World Heavyweight Champion..and I don't mean someone like
Lewis, either. I'm talking about someone who would attain the status of a
Living Legend, as did Joe Louis, Ali, Rocky, Dempsey and yes even Tyson.
Such a champion would bring back the respect, the appreciation, the passion
back to the occupation of PRIZE FIGHTER.

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Araxen

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Apr 5, 2004, 5:54:14 PM4/5/04
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Brian wrote:

It very, very popular in japan and there is money to be made over there
till it booms in the states. There are some American's making a killing
over there right now. Bob Sapp and Quinton Jackson come to mind atm.

UFC is one Mike Tyson(in his prime) like person away from hitting the
bigtime. The only trouble is that upsets are very common in the UFC and
MMA in general so it's been very hard to get a build up one person. They
build someone up and when it seems like they are gonna break out an
upset happens and it all goes down the tubes.

DeadAndRestless

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Apr 5, 2004, 7:54:08 PM4/5/04
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>UFC is one Mike Tyson(in his prime) like person away from hitting the
>bigtime. The only trouble is that upsets are very common in the UFC and
>MMA in general so it's been very hard to get a build up one person. They
>build someone up and when it seems like they are gonna break out an
>upset happens and it all goes down the tubes.
>

It may not have to be a Mike Tyson even. There's strong word that Bill Goldberg
is negotiating with PRIDE, UFC, and K-1. The idea of seeing american pro
wrestlers in *real* fights is a very tasty proposition, and Goldberg is still a
big enough draw to make BIG waves in North America (especially with going over
in his final WWE match). If he has anything even bordering on success (which he
probably won't, though many japanese wrestlers have/do compete in MMA), other
wrestlers will likely see the giant bucks he'll make for a single event and
make the move. Plus, since submissions are "okay" and ko's less frequent, MMA
fighters can often fight 4-5 times a year, unlike most championship level
boxers.

If it happens and is properly advertised stateside, MMA groups may not only
superceed boxing (which may be another decade or two away) but even
professional wrestling (as it is doing in Japan).

-
Alan

Johnc3382

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Apr 5, 2004, 7:57:27 PM4/5/04
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Klitsko is the new great fighter,,wait and see the big man rule supreme

Marin Mauler

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Apr 5, 2004, 8:02:10 PM4/5/04
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I disagree. I believe he has a very strong chance at becoming champ, but he
won't do anything for the sport. He's not someone who could become a Legend
like those previously mentioned. Could you really see him as a public idol,
even if he holds the highest title in professional sports?

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Robert Phillips

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Apr 5, 2004, 8:55:14 PM4/5/04
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Marin Mauler wrote:
> I agree that Contender will give a boost to the sport.


I worry that it will reinforce the notion that anybody can become a
"contender" if only they are set up with the right advisors and
handlers, rather than by working hard, taking the right fights, learning
the craft, and working their way up. I don't think anybody really
expects that whoever they latch onto will ever have any pro career worth
mentioning. Someone here rather astutely said that whatever guy it is
will likely be using the 'Contender' label as a shortcut into Hollywood
and Madison Avenue (like most reality-show participants) rather than as
a shortcut into the sport of boxing, and I agree with that prediction.
Meanwhile, the notion of actually earning the status of 'contender' will
take a backseat to the idea of celebrity and Hollywoodization and name
recognition.


Pie

Robert Phillips

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Apr 5, 2004, 8:57:26 PM4/5/04
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DeadAndRestless wrote:

> Plus, since submissions are "okay" and ko's less frequent, MMA
> fighters can often fight 4-5 times a year, unlike most championship level
> boxers.


Boxers CAN. They choose not to, though, since many of them are paid
enough to not need to, and reduce the risk of loss by fighting more and
more infrequently.


Pie

Marin Mauler

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Apr 5, 2004, 9:04:05 PM4/5/04
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You're probably right on the money, Pie, but don't you think it will still
give some sort of 'boost' to actual Professional Boxing? At least as far as
the general public deciding to watch more of it on television. Whatever the
effect, I'm looking forward to watching the show...it's put on by Rocky
Balboa for cryin out loud. ;-)

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Johnc3382

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Apr 5, 2004, 9:51:46 PM4/5/04
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klitsko is the perfect champion,,,,,,,,,he will destroy all other contenders!

TheGloveGP

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Apr 6, 2004, 12:05:28 AM4/6/04
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>I think the UFC will overtake boxing in popularity if it keeps having
>exciting fight cards, as has been the case recently.

I doubt it. UFC has some problems, mainly a lot of the top MMA fighters dont
even fightt for ufc and second their fights are ended way to quickly. They
pride themselves on being safe and never having a death in the ring. Almost
every fight you see if one solid punch is landed the fight is stopped right
away. A guy could get hit by a punch that really isnt even a great punch, fall
to the mat and as he is getting up immediately after hitting the mat, showing
he obviously wasnt hurt too bad, the ref is waiving in his face the fights
over. A great boxer would probably have good success in ufc because all he
would have to do is train to try and quickly land the first punch and you can
almost gaurantee the ref is going to stop it. Its a joke.

TheGloveGP

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Apr 6, 2004, 12:07:51 AM4/6/04
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>It may not have to be a Mike Tyson even. There's strong word that Bill
>Goldberg
>is negotiating with PRIDE, UFC, and K-1.

Great, they gonna get other great fighters like the macho man, the hulkster or
maybe brutus the barber beefcake, what a joke.

DeadAndRestless

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Apr 6, 2004, 12:20:22 AM4/6/04
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>I doubt it. UFC has some problems, mainly a lot of the top MMA fighters dont
>even fightt for ufc and second their fights are ended way to quickly. They
>pride themselves on being safe and never having a death in the ring. Almost
>every fight you see if one solid punch is landed the fight is stopped right
>away. A guy could get hit by a punch that really isnt even a great punch,
>fall
>to the mat and as he is getting up immediately after hitting the mat, showing
>he obviously wasnt hurt too bad, the ref is waiving in his face the fights
>over. A great boxer would probably have good success in ufc because all he
>would have to do is train to try and quickly land the first punch and you can
>almost gaurantee the ref is going to stop it. Its a joke.
>

Yea, as if there are never premature stoppages in boxing.

Also, there's one slight issue with the UFC that boxing doesn't have when a guy
goes down: He's still fair game after he's dropped. If a boxer started stomping
another boxer after he got knocked down, there would be calls to ban him for
life. In MMA competition, its perfectly legal.

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Alan

DeadAndRestless

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Apr 6, 2004, 12:23:32 AM4/6/04
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Considering that Goldberg has trained for MMA fighting, he's fair game. And
like I said, if matched against someone like Cro-Cop, he'd be destroyed.
Doesn't make him any less of a draw for fans. Or change the fact that the fight
would be legit.

Don't forget that many pro wrestlers have legitimate amateur pasts (Kurt Angle
is a former olympic gold medalist, Brock Lesnar is a Division I-A champ, the
late Curt Hennig was an olympic alternate, etc). Also, with the exception of
the wrestlers who had trained in the shootstyle their entire career (see:
Sakuraba or Ken Shamrock), pro wrestlers in the past have faired poorly (see:
Nagata vs. Cro-Cop).

-
Alan

TheGloveGP

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Apr 6, 2004, 12:35:23 AM4/6/04
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>Yea, as if there are never premature stoppages in boxing.

If fights in boxing were stopped as premature as they are in ufc no fight would
ever go past one round.

>He's still fair game after he's dropped.

yea so why dont they just change the rules to say if you get knocked down the
fights over because under their rules the fighter can jump on you and punch you
in the arms for 5 minutes. Its stupid. It never gets to that point though
because the ref is in between the fighters waiving it off before anything can
happen. At this point I think a fighter could bitch slap the other fighter and
the ref would waive it off. Maybe even pinch him on the arm.

>If a boxer started stomping
>another boxer after he got knocked down, there would be calls to ban him for
>life.

Of course there would be because its not allowed in boxing. Whats your point?

DeadAndRestless

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Apr 6, 2004, 12:50:01 AM4/6/04
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>
>>Yea, as if there are never premature stoppages in boxing.
>
>If fights in boxing were stopped as premature as they are in ufc no fight
>would
>ever go past one round.

You haven't been watching boxing that long, have you? Premature stoppages
happen *all the time*. Look at this weekends fights....Hatton's opponent was
actually swinging punches when the fight was stopped.

>yea so why dont they just change the rules to say if you get knocked down the
>fights over because under their rules the fighter can jump on you and punch
>you
>in the arms for 5 minutes.

Well, I can name a load of fights that *didn't* end when the fighter got
dropped by a shot. I'm guessing you can't.

Furthermore, point still stands. Watch Wanderlei Silva kick Sakuraba in the
head about 100 times after he drops him and tell me they "all land on the
arms". You sound like a really annoying fanboy. Did Art Jimmerson's pathetic
attempt in UFC 1 offend you or something?

>Its stupid. It never gets to that point though
>because the ref is in between the fighters waiving it off before anything can
>happen. At this point I think a fighter could bitch slap the other fighter
>and
>the ref would waive it off. Maybe even pinch him on the arm.

Sure. Okay.

>Of course there would be because its not allowed in boxing. Whats your point?
>

Its official. You're a moron.

-
Alan

TheGloveGP

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Apr 6, 2004, 1:06:58 AM4/6/04
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>You haven't been watching boxing that long, have you?

Probably longer than you the way you sound. You probably got me beat in the WWF
department though.

>happen *all the time*. Look at this weekends fights....Hatton's opponent was
>actually swinging punches when the fight was stopped.
>

Premature as compared to ufc, what are you nuts, atleast the ref asks the
fighter a couple questions and looks to see if he looks like he can continue in
boxing. One bitch slap and the ref is throwing himself in between the fighters
to stop it in ufc like the other fighters about to flatline. And though this
weekends fight could be considered a premature stoppage if that was ufc the ref
would probably get fired for letting the fight go too long. The first landed
bodyshot that seemed to hurt the ref would have stopped it "sorry, I know you
trained hard for this, the most important fight of your life, but you shouldnt
have got hit with that bitch slap to the ribs."

>You sound like a really annoying fanboy.

You sound like the ufc's bitch.

>Did Art Jimmerson's pathetic
>attempt in UFC 1 offend you or something?

The early ufc was much better than now. They are more concerned with
safety(actually ending a fight as quick as possible) instead of giving a
fighter who has trained his ass off a chance to win the fight.

>At this point I think a fighter could bitch slap the other fighter
>>and
>>the ref would waive it off. Maybe even pinch him on the arm.
>
>Sure. Okay.

Atleast you agree.

>>Of course there would be because its not allowed in boxing. Whats your
>point?
>>
>
>Its official. You're a moron.
>

Another brilliant comeback. Go watch a UFC match from this weekend, that is if
you want to see the fighting sport where the ref takes more punishment than the
fighters.

Locutus

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Apr 6, 2004, 1:20:37 AM4/6/04
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"TheGloveGP" <thegl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >You haven't been watching boxing that long, have you?
>
> Probably longer than you the way you sound. You probably got me beat in
the WWF
> department though.
>

While you may have been watching boxing for awhile (though based on your
comments it would be a tough sell), you obviously have no idea what you are
talking about when it comes to UFC.

MMA is not for everyone, just like boxing is not for everyone, just accept
that it's not for you and move on, no need to bash it.


Myonk5

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Apr 6, 2004, 2:30:52 AM4/6/04
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I love UFC, but you can;t count the great matches on one hand and have fingers
to spare!!!!
It will never take over, but will gain in popularity!!!!

Myonk5

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Just support MAINSTREAMBOXING.com and if any of you would like to support the
sport and become involved in the sweet science, let me know!!!!!

Myonk5

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Apr 6, 2004, 2:46:20 AM4/6/04
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A bit too drunk after Gtech lost, but rest assure, UFC will never take over
boxing!!!

The Sanity Cruzer

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Apr 6, 2004, 2:54:57 AM4/6/04
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Well, it's not joke when you get knocked down and you're stunned. It's not
like boxing where your opponent goes to the neutral corner. He's on top of
you cleaning your clock. IMO, most of the stoppages are good. John
McCarthy always does a good job with his stoppages. A couple other refs
have been a bit quick. Still, at least these guys want to fight. I suppose
if the money gets much better, MMA will have the same problem as does
boxing.

Even if the best are not always fighting each other, who cares? Would you
rather see Judah-Spinks or one of Gatti's bouts?


The Sanity Cruzer

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Apr 6, 2004, 2:56:01 AM4/6/04
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"DeadAndRestless" <deadand...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Also, there's one slight issue with the UFC that boxing doesn't have when
a guy
> goes down: He's still fair game after he's dropped. If a boxer started
stomping
> another boxer after he got knocked down, there would be calls to ban him
for
> life. In MMA competition, its perfectly legal.

You cannot stomp on a downed fighter in the UFC, IIRC.


The Sanity Cruzer

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Apr 6, 2004, 2:58:09 AM4/6/04
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"TheGloveGP" <thegl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Yea, as if there are never premature stoppages in boxing.
>
> If fights in boxing were stopped as premature as they are in ufc no fight
would
> ever go past one round.

That's crap. The other night Robbie Lawler got dropped face first by a
single hook. Had the ref not stopped the bout, the badly stunned Lawler
would have taken unnecessary punishment. In boxing, Lawler would have
gotten a mandatory 8-count. Then, they would have stopped the bout.


223rem

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Apr 6, 2004, 3:34:31 AM4/6/04
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> It may not have to be a Mike Tyson even. There's strong word that Bill Goldberg
> is negotiating with PRIDE, UFC, and K-1. The idea of seeing american pro
> wrestlers in *real* fights is a very tasty proposition,

Oh please. "Pro wrestlers" are basically stuntmen, not fighters.
The UFC and Pride fights are for real, and can be pretty violent.
Can you imagine a WWF guy taking elbows and knees to the head,
or soccer kicked in the head?

223rem

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Apr 6, 2004, 3:39:45 AM4/6/04
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TheGloveGP wrote:
>>Yea, as if there are never premature stoppages in boxing.
>
>
> If fights in boxing were stopped as premature as they are in ufc no fight would
> ever go past one round.
>

Problem is if a fighter is stunned and lying on the mat he can get
soccer kicked in the head (Pride) or pummeled in the UFC. Why allow
such a massacre?

TheGloveGP

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Apr 6, 2004, 5:08:32 AM4/6/04
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>
>That's crap. The other night Robbie Lawler got dropped face first by a
>single hook.

Of which he was getting right back up on his feet as the ref was ruining his
year by stopping it.


TheGloveGP

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Apr 6, 2004, 5:10:18 AM4/6/04
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>Problem is if a fighter is stunned and lying on the mat he can get
>soccer kicked in the head (Pride) or pummeled in the UFC. Why allow
>such a massacre?

Than theres some serious issues if a match is basically over when someone gets
knocked to the ground. Whenever i see someone get knocked to the ground by
something evenn close to a punch in ufc its time to take a piss break because
hurt or not you know the fights about to get stopped.

TheGloveGP

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Apr 6, 2004, 5:13:54 AM4/6/04
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>While you may have been watching boxing for awhile (though based on your
>comments it would be a tough sell),


The comment that ufc fights are stopped way to early to ensure safety shows I
havent been watching boxing for a long time? Brilliant point einstein.

Chris Carver

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Apr 6, 2004, 5:20:22 AM4/6/04
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"Marin Mauler" <marin...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<_vkcc.16208$Dv2....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> I agree that Contender will give a boost to the sport. What I would really
> like to see is for a new champion to come into boxing, able to lay claim to
> the title of World Heavyweight Champion..and I don't mean someone like
> Lewis, either. I'm talking about someone who would attain the status of a
> Living Legend, as did Joe Louis, Ali, Rocky, Dempsey and yes even Tyson.
> Such a champion would bring back the respect, the appreciation, the passion
> back to the occupation of PRIZE FIGHTER.

I'd love to see the rise of a boxing legend as well. The only problem
is, they're usually not recognized until the end of their career at
the soonest. That seems to be how it works anyway.

Chris Carver

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Apr 6, 2004, 5:24:30 AM4/6/04
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> It may not have to be a Mike Tyson even. There's strong word that Bill Goldberg
> is negotiating with PRIDE, UFC, and K-1. The idea of seeing american pro
> wrestlers in *real* fights is a very tasty proposition, and Goldberg is still a
> big enough draw to make BIG waves in North America (especially with going over
> in his final WWE match). If he has anything even bordering on success (which he
> probably won't, though many japanese wrestlers have/do compete in MMA), other
> wrestlers will likely see the giant bucks he'll make for a single event and
> make the move. Plus, since submissions are "okay" and ko's less frequent, MMA

> fighters can often fight 4-5 times a year, unlike most championship level
> boxers.
>
> If it happens and is properly advertised stateside, MMA groups may not only
> superceed boxing (which may be another decade or two away) but even
> professional wrestling (as it is doing in Japan).
>
> -
> Alan

Goldberg in UFC, Pride, or K-1 would be quite interesting. I wonder
if he would work his way up by beating up a couple of second-rate
contenders or go for a real pay day and fight one of the top
contenders. I think he would be killed in the latter case. There are
a lot more factors to take into consideration in those types of
fights. His simple wrestling skills aren't enough to carry him to a
championship victory in MMA competition.

I still want to see Mike Tyson vs Mirko "Crocop" :)

Chris Carver

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"Marin Mauler" <marin...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<Hrjcc.16957$lt2....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> It's my opinion that the UFC should be a purgatory for over-the-hill retired
> Prize Fighters that wasted all their money and are willing to degrade
> themselves for cash. No offense intended, of course.

I understand your scathing reply to this flaimbait topic, however,
there's no reason to think that MMA competition is inferior in any way
to boxing. Its just a different arena. Those over-the-hill boxers
have been very unsuccessful in the MMA arena.

Mike Haught

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Apr 6, 2004, 7:01:49 AM4/6/04
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In article <20040406024620...@mb-m01.aol.com>, Myonk5 says...

>
>A bit too drunk after Gtech lost, but rest assure, UFC will never take over
>boxing!!!
>
And I heard a very smart CEO of one of the largest banks in the USA tell me that
there'd never be a computer in everyone's home, let alone their desks at work.

That was only 22 years ago.

-mwh

Isaiah

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"The Sanity Cruzer" <sanityc...@eSaPrAtMhlink.net> wrote in message news:<jojcc.16074$Dv2....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

> I think the UFC will overtake boxing in popularity if it keeps having
> exciting fight cards, as has been the case recently.


The most recent card was good. The one immediately preceding it was
quite poor, lowlighted by the worst PPV main event ever. The
promotional methods of Pride blow the UFC away, as does the level of
competition in the heavyweight and lightheavyweight (or whatever they
call it) division. I think MMA in general is clearly on the rise, but
it has a long road with a lot of unexpected bumps on it to reach the
success of boxing.


> Their fights used to
> be boring, but the rules have changed and fighters have adapted. Also, the
> best fights are being made and fighters still want to fight and they want
> to, in general, fight the best opponents available. OTOH, boxing is such a
> hit and miss (in more than one way) proposition. One never knows if he is
> going to be seeing a mismatch, a boring fight or, even on occasion, a top
> flight bout.


As the level of competition for the sport increases, I think it will
probably begin to take on many of the problems in this area that
boxing has.


> The difference is, with the UFC, you have come to expect
> highly anticipated and exciting bouts. With boxing, highly anticipated and
> exciting bouts are not usually happening on the same night.


I don't know. Does anyone enjoy watching two guys on the ground trying
unsuccessfully to, you know, DO something? My own opinion is that the
best MMA fights are more entertaining than the best boxing matches,
but the worst MMA fights are much worse and more common than the worst
boxing matches. Side note: I recently had the displeasure of watching
the best of the Abu Dhabi grappling championships (can't remember the
exact name of the event). It was worse than auto racing.

-Isaiah

DeadAndRestless

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>Goldberg in UFC, Pride, or K-1 would be quite interesting. I wonder
>if he would work his way up by beating up a couple of second-rate
>contenders or go for a real pay day and fight one of the top
>contenders. I think he would be killed in the latter case. There are
>a lot more factors to take into consideration in those types of
>fights. His simple wrestling skills aren't enough to carry him to a
>championship victory in MMA competition.
>

I think whoever signs him will have him fight some total tomato cans (like,
Japanese Pro Wrestlers even worse than he) and then they'll have him in a
freakshow bout with a Sapp or Cro-Cop. And in that final match, they'll
probably be bringing him home in a body bag. If Ron Waterman (an ex amateur
wrestler who converted to pro wrestler) couldn't succeed in PRIDE or K-1,
Goldie's gonna die.

-
Alan

DeadAndRestless

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Apr 6, 2004, 7:33:45 AM4/6/04
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>Oh please. "Pro wrestlers" are basically stuntmen, not fighters.
>The UFC and Pride fights are for real, and can be pretty violent.
>Can you imagine a WWF guy taking elbows and knees to the head,
>or soccer kicked in the head?
>

As previously stated in another post, many pro wrestlers have amateur
backgrounds, and as MMA has shown the importance of grappling, its solid. Watch
Quinton Jackson throw people around PRIDE...or Bob Sapp trying to piledrive
Noguiera. Realistically though, there's maybe 4-5 guys tops that would succeed
at a moderate level in MMA though. Its not like the WWE has anything near a
Takada dojo in house (much like UWF did).

-
Alan

DeadAndRestless

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Apr 6, 2004, 8:28:27 AM4/6/04
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>I don't know. Does anyone enjoy watching two guys on the ground trying
>unsuccessfully to, you know, DO something?

I can get into grappling now because I understand what exactly they're trying
to do. When I first started watching, I didn't see things like fighters putting
up their legs in guard to keep people from passing, or see where there were
openings for stuff like armbars and kimuras. Now I do. But it took a looooooong
ass time. And I still admittedly fastforward through a lot of the early MMA
grappling. Royce Gracie's old matches that didn't end early are PAINFUL to
watch in full.

Then again, you're taking this from someone who's watched his fair share of
auto racing.

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Alan

DeadAndRestless

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>Premature as compared to ufc, what are you nuts, atleast the ref asks the
>fighter a couple questions and looks to see if he looks like he can continue
>in
>boxing.

Pedersen got asked questions? Really?

>One bitch slap and the ref is throwing himself in between the fighters
>to stop it in ufc like the other fighters about to flatline.

Examples? "Like every other fight" is not a valid answer.

>he first landed
>bodyshot that seemed to hurt the ref would have stopped it "sorry, I know you
>trained hard for this, the most important fight of your life, but you
>shouldnt
>have got hit with that bitch slap to the ribs."

Riiiiiight.

>The early ufc was much better than now. They are more concerned with
>safety(actually ending a fight as quick as possible) instead of giving a
>fighter who has trained his ass off a chance to win the fight.

They were? Watch it again sometime. I watched UFC 1 about a month ago. I don't
think seeing an unconscious sumo wrestler literally being stomped in the face
and having his teeth litter the ring like chiclets by a Savate kickboxer is
"concern with safety". You must have different ideas as to what "safety" is
than me.

>Another brilliant comeback. Go watch a UFC match from this weekend, that is
>if
>you want to see the fighting sport where the ref takes more punishment than
>the
>fighters.

You'd think that in a boxing NG, more boxing fans would agree with you. Yet all
the other regs think you're a fool. Funny how that works.

** troll.

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Alan

Marin Mauler

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Apr 6, 2004, 8:58:33 AM4/6/04
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You are correct, Chris, they are different arenas. I don't mean to suggest
an inferiority to the sport, only that, as you say, they are different and
should be compared with that stern fact in mind.

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Marin Mauler

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That'll be the day. What a joke.

"Johnc3382" <john...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> klitsko is the perfect champion,,,,,,,,,he will destroy all other
contenders!


TheGloveGP

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Apr 6, 2004, 10:52:06 AM4/6/04
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>Pedersen got asked questions? Really?

Oh my god, you cant be this braindead, I think you are a boxer who took too
many blows to the head, no wonder you sing the praises of the new stop the
fight immediately ufc. You know what in general means?

>>trained hard for this, the most important fight of your life, but you
>>shouldnt
>>have got hit with that bitch slap to the ribs."
>
>Riiiiiight.

Atleast you agree.

> I watched UFC 1 about a month ago. I don't
>think seeing an unconscious sumo wrestler literally being stomped in the face
>and having his teeth litter the ring like chiclets by a Savate kickboxer is
>"concern with safety".

Read what I said, maybe more slowly so you can understand, I said the early
UFC's were much better, the UFC now is more concerned with safety and stopping
a fight with the first landed girl punch on the arm.

>You'd think that in a boxing NG, more boxing fans would agree with you. Yet
>all
>the other regs think you're a fool. Funny how that works.
>

Yea, who cares? And now your desperately trying to get others on your side
wether they care or not, how sad. You cant accept the truth that UFC blows now
and will keep getting worse and worse until nobody will order that shit on ppv.
Oh well you will still have your beloved wrestlemanias to watch. Later
hulkamaniac.

TheGloveGP

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>And I heard a very smart CEO of one of the largest banks in the USA tell me
>that
>there'd never be a computer in everyone's home, let alone their desks at
>work.
>
>That was only 22 years ago.
>

Nobody takes your computer away in 20 seconds after the first sign of it
slowing down though.

TheGloveGP

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Apr 6, 2004, 10:55:55 AM4/6/04
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>As previously stated in another post, many pro wrestlers have amateur
>backgrounds, and as MMA has shown the importance of grappling, its solid.

Your lucky you like wwf and that crap besides ufc, atleast when ufc lets you
down(every event) you got your beloved steroid filled idiots in spandex
touching each other to watch.

Marin Mauler

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Apr 6, 2004, 10:58:38 AM4/6/04
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LOL HEHEHEHEHEHEyayayayayayayaya. GloveGP - You have great responses! (as
well as very valid points)

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DeadAndRestless

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Apr 6, 2004, 11:13:13 AM4/6/04
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A) My lucky?

B) Steroid filled idiots? Like Fernando Vargas?

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Alan


DeadAndRestless

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>Oh my god, you cant be this braindead, I think you are a boxer who took too
>many blows to the head, no wonder you sing the praises of the new stop the
>fight immediately ufc. You know what in general means?

And "in general" there's probably one "premature" stoppage per 10 fights. And
"in general" fights in MMA are stopped when a fighter is downed because there
is no 10 count and they are still fair game on the ground. I know its difficult
for neanderthals for you to understand, but having a guy get kicked in the face
while down and hurt isn't necessary in any sport.

>
>Read what I said, maybe more slowly so you can understand, I said the early
>UFC's were much better, the UFC now is more concerned with safety and
>stopping
>a fight with the first landed girl punch on the arm.

Obviously you have a bone to pick. Or you're trolling. In which case I have to
admit; you're successful. Are you Ron Krull, by any chance?

>Yea, who cares? And now your desperately trying to get others on your side
>wether they care or not, how sad.

I'm not asking anyone to take my side. Yet many did anyways.

>You cant accept the truth that UFC blows now
>and will keep getting worse and worse until nobody will order that shit on
>ppv.

Mmmmhmmm. I'm sure the ratings are crashing. Zuffa and Dreamstage must be
deeply afraid of you exposing their sport in between sessions of scotchguard
huffing.

>Oh well you will still have your beloved wrestlemanias to watch. Later
>hulkamaniac.

k thx, Gerald McClellan

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Locutus

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"TheGloveGP" <thegl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Regardless if you agree with that statement, the rest of my statement still
stands. I think soccer is pretty lame, but I don't go around bashing it and
say that no one should like it, because obviously there are a lot of people
who do like it.


Locutus

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"TheGloveGP" <thegl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I have a simple solution for you; DON'T WATCH IT AND SHUT YOUR PIEHOLE!