Are Boxers' Fists "Dangerous Weapons"?
Paul Dalrymple
the courts decide once & for all?)
Friday, June 23, 2000
Police investigating whether boxer’s fists are ‘dangerous weapons’
©2000 By The Associated Press
PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — A boxer known as Tex faces charges of aggravated
assault for allegedly beating his wife of nine years.
The wife of Nathaniel Miles went to the police station Wednesday night with
injuries to her face that were "so bad, it disturbed the investigating
officer," Lt. Joseph Loughlin said.
Miles, who moved recently to the Portland area, was being held without bail
at the Cumberland County Jail’s maximum security wing. During an interview
Thursday, he said he remembers little other than that he became angry during
an argument.
"This is a reality check for me. It gives me time to sit back and see ...
this is not healthy," he said.
Miles is 6 feet tall and weighs 190 pounds. Three of his top front teeth are
sheathed in gold and bear the letters "T-E-X."
His boxing career could complicate his legal troubles, police said.
Investigators will meet with prosecutors to determine whether he should face
more serious charges because his fists could be considered dangerous
weapons.
Police said Miles, 35, has an extensive record that includes assault,
burglary, forgery and drug charges. He also is listed as a fugitive from
justice from Tacoma, Wash. Police did not know what charge Miles is wanted
on in Washington. Miles said it was for selling drugs, and that he is
innocent.
Dosun1
feet with the police as deadly weapons. I don't see why it would be any
different for a boxer who is probably even more skilled at doing some serious
damage with his hands.
YENDOR3
feet with the police as deadly weapons.>>
arts and none of them had to do this.
Mike Haught
dos...@aol.comnospam (Dosun1) said:
>My friend who got a black belt in tae kwan do had to register his hands and
>feet with the police as deadly weapons. I don't see why it would be any
>different for a boxer who is probably even more skilled at doing some serious
>damage with his hands.
This is one of the biggest and everlasting urban myths around. In
what locality was this?
-mwh
i cheehuahua
>
>
> Miles is 6 feet tall and weighs 190 pounds. Three of his top front teeth are
> sheathed in gold and bear the letters "T-E-X."
What a Geek.
i cheehuahua
i cheehuahua
>
> <<My friend who got a black belt in tae kwan do had to register his hands and
> feet with the police as deadly weapons.>>
> arts and none of them had to do this.
I knowa guy and oncewe got pulled over in his car. When they typedup his
name in the computer he came back registered as a 3rd degree black belt,
which he was. Automatically another 2 cruiser came to the scene as
this one cop wrote my friend the ticket. Police in my part of town
take Boxers/Wrestlers/Karate Kids , very seriously. I know black belts
must register...their fists and feet are considered leathal weapons.
i cheehuahua
Nik...@webtv.net
so he could show off and get some attention.
He wanted to hear the police say"OH my god,
your a blackbelt"
Nik...@webtv.net
punched kept telling the police i was a boxer.
The police didnt give a shit.When we were in
court the person told the judge i was a boxer.
The judge looked at the person and told him
that he better take up boxing.
YENDOR3
considered "lethal weapons." Karate, which involves precise blows
to vulnerable areas of an opponent's anatomy
(family jewels included), can be disabling or deadly.>>
Karate has been exposed as a lot of hype since 1993.I would consider a boxer
deadlier than a karate guy.LOL
Command...@webtv.net
considered "lethal weapons." Karate, which involves precise blows
to vulnerable areas of an opponent's anatomy
(family jewels included), can be disabling or deadly.
A boxer's hands? I don't know. While a boxer can knock your ass out, at
least he isn't going
for vital nerve centers or your family jewels.
Commander McHale
YENDOR3
KuramaYou
around superior. The only styles of eastern martial arts that work are
grappling ones with the exception of maybe Muay Thai boxing. Even that (the
modern day version) gets influence from western boxing.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight...
It's the size of the fight in the dog!
((Uness...it's a big dog with a lot of fight. Than you're screwed))
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Ron Simpson
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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> My friend who got a black belt in tae kwan do had to register his hands and
> feet with the police as deadly weapons.
Bullshit.
Gregory Gliedman
TheAwesome1 wrote:
> As a former cop, I can tell you it is ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY
> WEAPON charge that pro boxers & black belts face.
>
Here's my answer to this question last time it came up:
This is criminal law, so it varies from state to state (just like boxing
rules). But many states hold that a fist *can* be a deadly weapon ("can
be", not "is") in certain circumstances (basically how much damage the
figher intended to cause and how much was actually inflicted). The one
reported case I found said that just being a boxer on its own wasn't
enough, but it can be a factor. But that's at the trial stage, it
doesn't have a whole lot to do with how someone gets charged.
The reported case was State of Minnesota v. Jack Basting (572 NW 2d
281, Minnesota Supreme Court 1997). Basting --a journeyman midwestern
heavyweight probably best known for a 3 round stoppage loss at the hands
of a comebacking Andrew Golota-- was convicted of assault with a deadly
weapon, the weapon being the hands of a professional fighter. The
Minnesota Supreme Court said that fact on its own wasn't enough:
"Raising the level of a defendant's criminality based on his or her
career, physique, or expertise in a particular field of athletics is not
consistent with the legislature's clear differentiation between assault
and assault with a dangerous weapon. We hold, as a matter of law, that
the manner in which Basting used his fist did not constitute the use of
a dangerous weapon for purposes of an analysis under [Minnesota law]."
Dosun1
> The style is just all
>around superior.
No freaking way, see UFC for proof. A boxer who could only punch could not win
that. I love watching boxing however I cannot call a style that only lets you
attack with your fists a superior style.
John "The Mayor" Curley
really high level boxers -- most of them wouldn't even be considered decent
golden glove amateurs (most of the so-called boxing in the UFC has been poor
at best).
Spend some time in some martial arts schools, then go to a real inner city
boxing gym (I'm talking about one with pro fighters) -- you will find 9
times out of 10 there is no comparison -- the boxing gym is FAR MORE
intimidating than the dojo. I have tried both, this is my experience (I've
done kung fu, jiu jitsu, and boxing -- some of it at Gleason's in Brooklyn).
I'm not dissin' any style. They are all good. However, boxing has a major
advantage because it revolves around real life sparring. Plus, the footwork
is out and out superior to other arts I have seen. That's why Bruce Lee
liked it so much.
Jiu-jitsu is also great. The arm locks and chokes are awesome!
This is what I think of some of these..........
western boxing: superior footwork, fluid, best punching techniques, and real
good counters
brazilian jiu-jitsu: *devastating* finishing holds, but requires you to be
on the ground which opens you up to the steel toe boot of an opponent's
friend
thai boxing: great for throwing elbows, knees, and awesome leg kicks
I think for street fighting
western boxing, plus some jiu-jitsu (choke holds, especially, they
cripple!), kick low (no higher-than groin), bite, and use bricks, bottles,
sticks, a knife if you need to.................
Dosun1 wrote in message <20000625131135...@ng-mb1.aol.com>...
YENDOR3
> The style is just all
>around superior.
<<No freaking way, see UFC for proof. A boxer who could only punch could not
win
that.>>
The boxer was compared to a karate guy not a grappler.As much as I like the UFC
(seen them all and the last one in person)it is not proof.Art Jimmerson and
Melton Bowen are not proof.They are jokes compared to the top UFC guys.