PRINCE HAMED VS. DE LA HOYA??
Brian
Hamed would never go up in weight enough to fight De La Hoya because De
La Hoya would kill Hamed and that would hurt Hamed's fake little arab
self-confidence that he displays at featherweight.
That reality aside I dont understand why it is so impossible for some
fighters to go up in weight. People act like it's absurd to even
consider that a fighter would go up in weight...like it is totally
impossible for Roy Jones to consider being a Heavyweight or that it's
ridiculous for anyone to consider Tapia taking on Hamed. Evander
Holyfield had to put up with this crap for years hearing he was a "built
up cruiserweight" while he was KOing heavyweights...
Marshall
I tuned in to the Houston broadcast of "prince" Hamed vs. Cabrera. Hamed
didn't have to put up a defense because Cabrera was so intimidated.
Anyway, I turned on the vcr to tape it just as they'd finished showing the
stats of both fighters, including weight. The fight didn't last as long as
Hamed's pre-fight exhibition, so they had to show past fights, so I got to
see Oscar De la Hoya for the first time, in the J.C.Chavez fight, which was
stopped because Chavez's cut wouldn't stop bleeding. The commentators said
they doubted anyone would beat him unless he moved up in weight. I did
catch Oscar's weight, though; they announced that he was fighting for the
first time at 140 lbs. Am I missing something? Are Hamed and De la Hoya
in the same weight class?
Please let me know, and drop a yes or no to me at rmta...@hotmail.com.
Thanks
Marshall
BoyMayo
DelaHoya weighed 140 for his fight with Chavez, and the subsequent fight
with Migual Angel Gonzales. Since then, he moved up to 147
(welterweight), took the title from Pernell Whitaker and destroyed an
outmatched David Kamau.
Prince Naseem Hamed is currently a featherweight (122 lbs.) He's 25
pounds lighter than DelaHoya (and Oscar will likely move up to 154 (jr.
middleweight) by next summer.)
They'll never fight....sorry.
.....BoyMayo
BoyMayo
Urvf, typo....
Hamed is fighting at 126, not 122.
.....BoyMayo
Chico
>Brian wrote:
>That reality aside I dont understand why it is so impossible for some
>fighters to go up in weight. People act like it's absurd to even
>consider that a fighter would go up in weight...like it is totally
>impossible for Roy Jones to consider being a Heavyweight or that it's
>ridiculous for anyone to consider Tapia taking on Hamed. Evander
>Holyfield had to put up with this crap for years hearing he was a "built
>up cruiserweight" while he was KOing heavyweights...
>
>Fighters can go up in weight. But for Hamed to face DelaHoya, he would
>have to put on 20 pounds, just to reach the welterweight limit (which
>DelaHoya will eek out). Hamed could pull a DeNiro and put on the weight,
>but would he be able to fight? Absolutely not.
>
>In the history of boxing, there aren't many men who've held world titles
>in multiple weight classes. You're asking for a fighter to jump over the
>junior lightweights, lightweights, and junior welterweights, and enter
>into the welterweight division to take on boxing's pound-for-pound best
>fighter, a natural welterweight no less?
>
>With crazy ideas like that, there's only one job you're suited to hold:
>boxing promoter.
>
>.....BoyMayo
>
Many **TOP** fighters HAVE won titles in multiple weight classes.
Naseem Hamed is a "TOP' fighter; he's one of the best P4P fighters in
the world.
If you think that Naz can't compete successfully in higher weight classes
then either A) you've never seen him fight before, or B) you are a fool.
Gatti, Nelson, Patterson, Nazarov, Holiday, Chavez, Tszyu, Randall-
Hamed COULD beat them all.
Could Hamed beat De la Hoya at 147? I think that it's possible.
Chico
d...@gte.net
On 28 Jul 1997 14:26:10 GMT, Chico wrote:
Clipped
>Could Hamed beat De la Hoya at 147? I think that it's possible.
>
>Chico
Yeah sure, with a baseball bat in a dark room.
DCI
THURAN
>>Could Hamed beat De la Hoya at 147? I think that it's possible.
>>
>>Chico
>
>
Is this write Chico saying Hamed could beat DLH - at welterweight
nonetheless ? Woh , Chico I'm a big Naz fan but there is no way Naz
could do that , I would be surprised if he could get past lightweight .
THURAN
I meant to say "is this right " not " is this write " .
Al Bardo
On 28 Jul 1997 17:29:54 GMT, d...@gte.net wrote:
>On 28 Jul 1997 14:26:10 GMT, Chico wrote:
>
> Clipped
>
>
>>Could Hamed beat De la Hoya at 147? I think that it's possible.
>>
>>Chico
>
>
> Yeah sure, with a baseball bat in a dark room.
>
> DCI
>
>
Is that the truth! Oscar would just love that leaping uppercut that
Naz favors!
--
Al Bardo
Chico
>> >>Could Hamed beat De la Hoya at 147? I think that it's possible.
>> >>
>> >>Chico
>> Is this write Chico saying Hamed could beat DLH - at welterweight
>> nonetheless ? Woh , Chico I'm a big Naz fan but there is no way Naz
>> could do that , I would be surprised if he could get past lightweight .
>
> I agree. I like Hamed a lot but there is no way he could take on De La
>Hoya. If he got up to Welterweight he would have less speed and his reflexes
>would diminish. These are his two big assets (aside from power). I don't even
>think he should go above super featherweight. He should move down rather than
>up. He is only 5ft 3.
>
> MArk
>
True- he would not be the same fighter at 147. BUT I think that he could
successfully compete at welterweight, AND I DON'T think that DLH-Hamed would
be a mismatch at 147.
As far as moving down in weight goes- and speaking of mismatches-
Hamed KO3 over Junior Jones.
Chico
BoyMayo
Chico wrote:
>AND I DON'T think that DLH-Hamed would be a mismatch at 147.
And that's why no one really takes anything you say seriously.....
.....BoyMayo
sm...@audio.softnet.co.uk
Fred Delariva
Dean Cochrane wrote:
>
> On 28 Jul 1997 14:26:10 GMT, Chico wrote:
>
> >Hamed COULD beat them all.
>
> Chavez, who knows? Depends on how badly he's faded. Prime Chavez,
> never. Tszyu, possibly. Randall, don't think so.
>
> And I wonder why you didn't mention Whittaker, Quartey, and Trinidad?
> :)
>
> >Could Hamed beat De la Hoya at 147? I think that it's possible.
>
> too good a boxer. Oscar has one of the best jabs I've ever seen, and
> Hamed would find himself in a world of trouble.
>
> I can't beleive I replied to this. Hamed's only 5'3".
>
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Oscar is way too big. A better fight would be the Prince vs Genaro
HErnaandez. I think Hernandez would cause the Prince problems like
Medina did, except Genaro is a much better fighter. Who would win? who
knows. Nassem's power is astonishing, I would be hard pressed to pick
against him, but Hernandez is a master of the ring. He also isn't as old
and beat up as Boom Boom Johnson was. I wish some promoter would get off
their butt and make this fight. It would be adream for ALL TRUE BOXING
FANS . Any Brits' comments would be appreciated.
Dean Cochrane
Robert C Phillips
BoyMayo (boy...@aol.com) wrote:
: DelaHoya weighed 140 for his fight with Chavez, and the subsequent fight
: with Migual Angel Gonzales. Since then, he moved up to 147
: (welterweight), took the title from Pernell Whitaker and destroyed an
: outmatched David Kamau.
DLH weighed IN at 140 - want to bet he was over 150 in the ring? And
closer to 160 than 147 against Whitaker?
The point is, some fighters need to GAIN weight to compete at higher
weight classes, some would NOT really need to gain weight (catchweight
bouts), and other simply need to NOT lose as much to compete at higher
limits. And every fighter is different in these three regards.
Pie
d...@gte.net
On 6 Aug 1997 18:47:04 GMT, rcp3...@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu
(Robert C Phillips) wrote:
Pie,
Don't want to burst your bubble but
there has been too much focus on the
weight factor in classes. It is also
the main reason that is related to all
this alphabet soup categories we see
today in boxing. The difference between
127 and 135 pounds, 147 and 160 pounds,
etc. is a phony issue. It is used to
make money by broadening the number of
championship categories.
Factors of strength, speed, boxing and
athletic ability will remain the ingredients
for making fights competitive.
DCI
Derrick Brasslett
Robert C Phillips wrote:
> DLH weighed IN at 140 - want to bet he was over 150 in the ring? And
> closer to 160 than 147 against Whitaker?
ODLH weighed in at 151 (vs Whitaker's 157) the day of the fight. Both
weighed in at 146 1/2 lbs. at the official weigh-in.
Just FYI.
Derrick
d...@gte.net
Thanks for correcting that peice of
misinformation. It should be understood
that the difference between weigh-in
and fight-time weight is very, very
misleading. It is assumed the Whitaker
gained more weight between the official
weigh-in, thus, gained back the power and
strength. He did not. He gave up not only
water weight intially, but may have -
most lkely - gave up an energy factor.
De La Hoya may have been more in tune
with before and after strength and
energy.
DCI