Shortest heavyweight fight?
Thorgrim Tilrem
history, if so
who, what, where and so on??
Thank you!!
You can reach me at
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Holybopie
nailed crawford with the first punch of the fight
Matt Tegen
Thorgrim Tilrem wrote:
>
> Hi, does anyone know what's the shortest heavyweight fight ever in boxing
> history, if so
>
> who, what, where and so on??
James J. Jeffries KO 1 Jack Finnegan, Detroit (0:55) April 6, 1900.
First Heavyweight title fight of the century ironically.
Matt Tegen
Matt Tegen
Stupid me I didn't read the question, my answer is for the shortest
title fight.
Matt Tegen
Brian
<thorgri...@nl.telia.no> wrote:
>Hi, does anyone know what's the shortest heavyweight fight ever in boxing
>history, if so
>
>who, what, where and so on??
I don't know the answer to your question, since there have been hundreds of
thousands of fights. I guess the fastest ever would probably have been a KO by
James Thunder against Crawford Grimsley with the very first punch thrown. I
think David Tua knocked out John Ruiz in about 20 seconds was the quickest
televised heavyweight knockout before the Thunder Grimsley fight. Before that
one of the fastest was when Tyson knocked out Marvis Frazier in 30 seconds.
Tyson just jumped Frazier and pounded the crap out of him on the ropes. Frazier
lay motionless headfirst on the canvas. Another high profile fast knockout was
Peter McNeeley lasting 89 seconds against Tyson.
A better criteria is the fastest knockout in a heavyweight TITLE fight. Two
fast knockouts that come to mind are:
Mike Tyson knocking out Michael Spinks in 90 seconds.
Lennox Lewis pounding out Andrew Golota in 91 seconds.
To me the most impressive fast KO I've ever seen are the George Foreman KOs of
Joe Frazier and Ken Norton. Those guys were great boxers and Foreman just
stomped on them in 2 rounds.
Larry Roberts
Heavyweight title fight was 88 seconds when Tommy Burns of
Canada ko'd Jem Roche, the champion of Ireland. Check the
"real" records. No other world heavyweight title fight comes close.
Larry "Cap" Roberts
George Singer
somewhere. If you want me to tell you the last name of the guy, e-mail
me and I'll try to find the time (sic) to look for the tape.
BGMiddle35
remember the opponent.
MIKE
Jim Borzell
>
> Hi, does anyone know what's the shortest heavyweight fight ever in boxing
> history, if so
>
> who, what, where and so on??
>
I'm sure it happened somewhere in the outback. In the thousands of
fights I've timekept for, this is my personal record. The winner ran
across the ring popped his opponent with a sharp right, the guy
stiffened like a board and hit the floor really hard. The ref stopped
it immediately and I hit my clock as soon as he waved it off. Total
time: 7 seconds. This happened in the early 90's on the early part of a
show. Although these weren't HWs, I'm sure similar circumstances have
happened elsewhere, although with HWs. I've had plenty of other fights
from 9 to 12 seconds.
Jim
greg kerr
Brian wrote:
> On Fri, 07 May 1999 23:45:43 GMT, "Thorgrim Tilrem"
> <thorgri...@nl.telia.no> wrote:
>
> >Hi, does anyone know what's the shortest heavyweight fight ever in boxing
> >history, if so
> >
> >who, what, where and so on??
>
> I don't know the answer to your question, since there have been hundreds of
> thousands of fights. I guess the fastest ever would probably have been a KO by
> James Thunder against Crawford Grimsley with the very first punch thrown. I
> think David Tua knocked out John Ruiz in about 20 seconds was the quickest
> televised heavyweight knockout before the Thunder Grimsley fight. Before that
> one of the fastest was when Tyson knocked out Marvis Frazier in 30 seconds.
> Tyson just jumped Frazier and pounded the crap out of him on the ropes. Frazier
> lay motionless headfirst on the canvas. Another high profile fast knockout was
> Peter McNeeley lasting 89 seconds against Tyson.
>
> A better criteria is the fastest knockout in a heavyweight TITLE fight. Two
> fast knockouts that come to mind are:
>
> Mike Tyson knocking out Michael Spinks in 90 seconds.
> Lennox Lewis pounding out Andrew Golota in 91 seconds.
>
> To me the most impressive fast KO I've ever seen are the George Foreman KOs of
> Joe Frazier and Ken Norton. Those guys were great boxers and Foreman just
> stomped on them in 2 rounds.
Probably the shortest most hyped up fight was when Ken Norton KO'd Duane Bobick in
58 seconds. in 1977. That fight was really hyped with the black vs white theme
played to the max. Was a surprise that it ended so quickly as Bobick was considered
then to be a top contender. He never developed into the fighter that many thought he
would after that KO.
Gregory Gliedman
Larry Roberts wrote:
> You're all wrong. The quickest knockout in an official World
> Heavyweight title fight was 88 seconds when Tommy Burns of
> Canada ko'd Jem Roche, the champion of Ireland. Check the
> "real" records. No other world heavyweight title fight comes close.
>
and Matt Tegen wrote:
> James J. Jeffries KO 1 Jack Finnegan, Detroit (0:55) April 6, 1900.
My RRB (1977 ed.) lists Jeffries-Finnegan as a non-title fight, but the Cyberboxing
Zone (to which Matt is a contributor) says it is.
Dman4673
>> Hi, does anyone know what's the shortest heavyweight fight ever in boxing
>> history, if so
>>
>> who, what, where and so on??
>>
>>
>> You can reach me at
>> runet...@hotmail.com
>
>I'm sure it happened somewhere in the outback. In the thousands of
>fights I've timekept for, this is my personal record. The winner ran
>across the ring popped his opponent with a sharp right, the guy
>stiffened like a board and hit the floor really hard. The ref stopped
>it immediately and I hit my clock as soon as he waved it off. Total
>time: 7 seconds. This happened in the early 90's on the early part of a
>show. Although these weren't HWs, I'm sure similar circumstances have
>happened elsewhere, although with HWs. I've had plenty of other fights
>from 9 to 12 seconds.
>
>Jim
>
>
I could be wrong but I thought Jeremy Williams knocked some chump out in 6
seconds. I know I some fight where Williams took out some nobody really
quickly.
Myonk5
about 3 seconds into the fight and the ref wasted time by counting. Grimsley
was staying down if he counted to 100..
Angelo Notaro
count!!!!!
TW
<mt5...@televar.com> wrote:
> Matt Tegen wrote:
> >
> > Thorgrim Tilrem wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, does anyone know what's the shortest heavyweight fight ever in boxing
> > > history, if so
> > >
> > > who, what, where and so on??
> >
> > James J. Jeffries KO 1 Jack Finnegan, Detroit (0:55) April 6, 1900.
> > First Heavyweight title fight of the century ironically.
Oh, gosh. I'm gonna start this argument here, too, but, hey, it's needs to
be said: 1900 was the last year of the last century. It was not the first
year of this one. When you start counting something, you don't start at
zero. You start at one. The first year, therefore, was year one (in theory
- they didn't really use the present calender until later on and lots of
adjustments have been made over the years) and the second century,
therefore, began in year 101 and the new millenium begins Jan. 1st, 2001.
TW
John Carlo
i know booxing connection tv show did record it but i never got a copy
Rosco Bandanzini
Anthony Perno
Gregory Gliedman <glie...@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> So we've got two title claimants:
>
> Larry Roberts wrote:
>
> > You're all wrong. The quickest knockout in an official World
> > Heavyweight title fight was 88 seconds when Tommy Burns of
> > Canada ko'd Jem Roche, the champion of Ireland. Check the
> > "real" records. No other world heavyweight title fight comes close.
> >
>
> and Matt Tegen wrote:
>
>
Cyberboxing
> Zone (to which Matt is a contributor) says it is.
My RRB (1986 ed.) lists it as a title fight (Retaind World Heavyweight
Title) -- Guess they caught their mistake. -- Anthony
>
jbomba
think it lasted about 10 seconds. When Weathers got knocked downthe ref
didnt bother to count.
Larry Roberts
research by one Herb Goldman. Jack Finnegan was a complete
non-entity, even at the time of the "fight". Based on available
info, he wasn't even classified as a journeyman. He was a
professional record-padder who made a living helping real
fighters of the day look good. Even a cursory examination of
the data will show that he had no victories to his credit. Jeffries
was in Detroit killing time with his buddy George Siler the
newspaper reporter/referee and trying to stay in shape for
his next title defense against James J. Corbett in a few weeks.
Finnegan happened to be in town and offered to help out
the champ. Siler stepped in as ref to help the gate. It was
more like a carny side show.
A few years after the farce, Siler listed Jeffries' title defenses
in his popular newspaper column. Finnegan was not even
mentioned.
Tommy Burns is still the Champ! And when I look at pictures
of Tommy at his peak in the ring in 1907 with Jeffries stand-
ing beside him, I have no problem seeing Burns beating the
living Bejasus out of the washed up ex-champ.
i cheehuahua
> Tommy Burns is still the Champ! And when I look at pictures
> of Tommy at his peak in the ring in 1907 with Jeffries stand-
> ing beside him, I have no problem seeing Burns beating the
> living Bejasus out of the washed up ex-champ.
My great Grandma said Tommy Burns was a great champion. Once when she
was 13, Tommy took her to one of them first silent movies and bought
her popcorn. Tommy allowed my grandma to preform fellatio on him. My
Grandma always talks about that at thanksgiving. My personal favorite
story of hers is how she f*cked her way off the titanic.
i cheehuahua
The Eye
a dark-haired version of James Cagney.
Larry Roberts
TW wrote:
> In article <3733A43F...@televar.com>, Matt Tegen
> <mt5...@televar.com> wrote:
>
> > Matt Tegen wrote:
> > >
> > > Thorgrim Tilrem wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, does anyone know what's the shortest heavyweight fight ever in boxing
> > > > history, if so
> > > >
> > > > who, what, where and so on??
> > >
> > > James J. Jeffries KO 1 Jack Finnegan, Detroit (0:55) April 6, 1900.
BOXINGBULL
13, Tommy took her to one of them first silent movies and bought her popcorn.
Tommy allowed my grandma to preform fellatio on him. My Grandma always talks
about that at thanksgiving. My personal favorite story of hers is how she
f*cked her way off the titanic.
>>
>> i cheehuahua
Now I really feel sorry for you, the bastard grandson of a turn of the century
whore.
Anthony Perno
wouldn't they have at least carried the damn thing a few rounds? -- Funny,
but this kind of nonsense went on then, and it goes on now, nothing changes
but the date. -- Makes you think: boxing never was, what it once was. ---
Anthony
Larry Roberts <rob...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:373713E0...@sympatico.ca...
> Nope. They're still wrong. The present note is based on poor
> research by one Herb Goldman. Jack Finnegan was a complete
> non-entity, even at the time of the "fight". Based on available
> info, he wasn't even classified as a journeyman. He was a
> professional record-padder who made a living helping real
> fighters of the day look good. Even a cursory examination of
> the data will show that he had no victories to his credit. Jeffries
> was in Detroit killing time with his buddy George Siler the
> newspaper reporter/referee and trying to stay in shape for
> his next title defense against James J. Corbett in a few weeks.
> Finnegan happened to be in town and offered to help out
> the champ. Siler stepped in as ref to help the gate. It was
> more like a carny side show.
>
> A few years after the farce, Siler listed Jeffries' title defenses
> in his popular newspaper column. Finnegan was not even
> mentioned.
>
> Tommy Burns is still the Champ! And when I look at pictures
> of Tommy at his peak in the ring in 1907 with Jeffries stand-
> ing beside him, I have no problem seeing Burns beating the
> living Bejasus out of the washed up ex-champ.
>
> Anthony Perno wrote:
>
> > Gregory Gliedman <glie...@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:37348B69...@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net...
> > > So we've got two title claimants:
> > >
> > > Larry Roberts wrote:
> > >
> > > > You're all wrong. The quickest knockout in an official World
> > > > Heavyweight title fight was 88 seconds when Tommy Burns of
> > > > Canada ko'd Jem Roche, the champion of Ireland. Check the
> > > > "real" records. No other world heavyweight title fight comes close.
> > > >
> > >
> > > and Matt Tegen wrote:
> > >
> > > > James J. Jeffries KO 1 Jack Finnegan, Detroit (0:55) April 6, 1900.
> > >
Gregory Gliedman
Larry Roberts wrote:
> Nope. They're still wrong. The present note is based on poor
> research by one Herb Goldman. Jack Finnegan was a complete
> non-entity, even at the time of the "fight". Based on available
> info, he wasn't even classified as a journeyman. He was a
> professional record-padder who made a living helping real
> fighters of the day look good. Even a cursory examination of
> the data will show that he had no victories to his credit. Jeffries
> was in Detroit killing time with his buddy George Siler the
> newspaper reporter/referee and trying to stay in shape for
> his next title defense against James J. Corbett in a few weeks.
> Finnegan happened to be in town and offered to help out
> the champ. Siler stepped in as ref to help the gate. It was
> more like a carny side show.
>
Of course, when Burns defended his title twice in one night, that wasn't a
carny side show event, but a great achievement. :)
> A few years after the farce, Siler listed Jeffries' title defenses
> in his popular newspaper column. Finnegan was not even
> mentioned.
>
How good Finnegan was, or whether Siler recalled it as a title fight years
after the event, or the fact that Jeffries-Corbett I took place the very next
month isn't relevant to the question of whether it was a title fight. The only
question: Was the title on the line or not? Or to quote you from another
source, did the fight receive "the only official sanctioning of their day,
billing by promoter and newspapers as being for the Title."
Secondary sources seem to be in conflict, anybody got primaries? And Larry, if
you actually go through old newspapers, mind digging up a report on
Burns-Arthur Pelkey? (ND6; Burns was well past his prime and Pelkey was a top
young contender).
> Tommy Burns is still the Champ! And when I look at pictures
> of Tommy at his peak in the ring in 1907 with Jeffries stand-
> ing beside him, I have no problem seeing Burns beating the
> living Bejasus out of the washed up ex-champ.
>
Larry, you have to be Tommy Burn's #1 fan. Are you a relation? No disrespect
intended, as I've learned a lot about Burns/Brusso through you and he's
definitely a fighter lost in the shadow of Jack Johnson...but, jeez. Half your
posts are about this guy, and in your Cyber Boxing Zone page on Burns you make
excuses for half his losses and several of his draws.
Burns was a big puncher, but so was Jeffries and Burns would be giving away
something like 50 pounds to Jeffries. In his prime, I'd put my money of the
boilermaker (although IMO Burns would take out the fat, out of shape Jeffries
of 1908 easily).
FWIW, people who think that the HW champs of the 19th century were all small
guys should look at photos of Jeffries in his prime. 6-2, 220, built like a
brick outhouse.
Chris Tsao
the tape and rewatched the fight. If I remember correctly, I saw on the
news later on that night that it was 9 seconds.
Gregory Gliedman
Chris Tsao wrote:
And they could have stopped it earlier...it's the shortest televised fight
anyone knows about.
but we're talking HW title fights now. I've changed the subject line.
Chris Tsao
question. I just posted it just in case anyone else wanted to know.
i cheehuahua
Shut your mouth...if that German sheppard hadn't beat me up the
stairs...I would have been you're father!!!!!
i cheehuahua
Larry Roberts
> Of course, when Burns defended his title twice in one night, that wasn't a
> carny side show event, but a great achievement. :)
At least O'Brien (Jack O'Brien's brother) and Walker were legit fighters.
Fighting two guys in one night was common in those days.
> How good Finnegan was, or whether Siler recalled it as a title fight years
> after the event, or the fact that Jeffries-Corbett I took place the very next
> month isn't relevant to the question of whether it was a title fight. The only
> question: Was the title on the line or not? Or to quote you from another
> source, did the fight receive "the only official sanctioning of their day,
> billing by promoter and newspapers as being for the Title."
The fight was not billed as a title fight prior to the event. Burns' defenses
against Walker and O'Brien were. And if either had beaten Tommy he
would've been champ. The odds of Finnegan doing likewise to Jeffries
were likely a million to one against.
> Burns-Arthur Pelkey? (ND6; Burns was well past his prime and Pelkey was a top
> young contender).
Tommy was always a tough competitor, even back in his days playing
lacrosse with boys like Newsy Lalonde. He liked to keep in shape
and often contemplated a return to the ring. At one point he even issued
a challenge to Gunboat Smith, but demanded too much of the gate.
> Larry, you have to be Tommy Burn's #1 fan. Are you a relation? No disrespect
> intended, as I've learned a lot about Burns/Brusso through you and he's
> definitely a fighter lost in the shadow of Jack Johnson...but, jeez. Half your
> posts are about this guy, and in your Cyber Boxing Zone page on Burns you make
> excuses for half his losses and several of his draws.
Not excuses. Explanations. And they all were based on info I dug up
from primary sources many years ago.
> Burns was a big puncher, but so was Jeffries and Burns would be giving away
> something like 50 pounds to Jeffries. In his prime, I'd put my money of the
> boilermaker (although IMO Burns would take out the fat, out of shape Jeffries
> of 1908 easily).
>
> FWIW, people who think that the HW champs of the 19th century were all small
> guys should look at photos of Jeffries in his prime. 6-1, 205, built like a
> brick outhouse.
>
I recall reading a university doctor's report on Jeffries prior to his
rematch with Tom Sharkey. He was then an extraordinary specimen
standing six foot one and tipping the scales at 205 pounds. Some
weeks later, newspaper reports had him an inch taller and ten pounds
heavier (which is possible). He did pack on fifteen pounds for the
2nd Corbett fight, with Corbett at an even 190.
Corbett, Fitzsimmons and Jeffries got reams of press for decades.
It's about time my fellow Canuck, Tommy Burns, got a little recog-
nition. A lot of writers never forgave him for giving Johnson a
shot at the title.
Larry
Gregory Gliedman
Larry Roberts wrote:
>Gregory Gliedman wrote:
> > FWIW, people who think that the HW champs of the 19th century were all small
> > guys should look at photos of Jeffries in his prime. 6-1, 205, built like a
> > brick outhouse. ^^^
> >
>
It's always fun talking old fighters Larry --your the only guy I've ever come across
that actually gets emotionally involved in Tommy Burns discussions-- but one request:
I did not write the above. You changed my otherwise quoted text to change my comment
on Jeffries's weight from 220 to 205. If that's what you want to say fine, but don't
retroactively change words around so it looks like I said it.
GG
posted and emailed
Larry Roberts
Conte...@webtv.net
rounds may be the most DESTRUCTIVE KO in heavyweight HISTORY!
Mr Oliff
TW <Tru...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<Truewit-0905...@cr370735-a.lndn1.on.wave.home.com>...
> In article <3733A43F...@televar.com>, Matt Tegen
> <mt5...@televar.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh, gosh. I'm gonna start this argument here, too, but, hey, it's needs
to
> be said: 1900 was the last year of the last century. It was not the first
> year of this one. When you start counting something, you don't start at
> zero. You start at one.
Wrong! When counting time it is important to start at zero. When you say
one minute has elapsed you cannot have started counting at one minute, same
for weeks, months years, seconds etc etc. While I agree that 1900 is the
last year of last century that is just a matter of convention. When you
start counting something you most certainly "do" start at zero.
Mr Oliff...
Anthony Perno
"SomeTHING" can not be zero. -- If you state that "one year has elapsed" or
that "one minute has elapsed," or "one second," then you started with one,
not zero. -- If you stay at zero, you are not counting. -- Counting starts
with one. -- This is why the word zero didn't exist in Europe (it's Arabic)
until algebra came to Europe via the Renaissance. Before algebra, when
simple counting was employed, there was no need, thus no word, for the
concept of zero. It took the complex logic of algebra to make the word zero
necessary. European culture survived for over 2000 years without the word,
and was counting all along. Think about the Roman numerals you learned in
school, what's missing? -- And the Roman's could still count.
OTOH I think the century should begin on the first day of the new century,
i.e. 01/01/00, not the first year. -- But you are correct, convention says
that the Jefferies fight took place in the last year of the 19th century. --
Pointless point I'm making? Probably, but I'm bored, and now I've wasted
your time, sorry. -- Anthony
Mr Oliff <mro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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el afreet
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On Friday, May 7, 1999 at 10:00:00 AM UTC+3, Thorgrim Tilrem wrote:
> Hi, does anyone know what's the shortest heavyweight fight ever in boxing
> history, if so
> who, what, where and so on??
*ernie
Emanuel Berg
> For a stretch of a couple of years, it seemed
> nearly all of Tyson's fights ended in the
> 1st round.
punching power.
But also the opposition that Tyson fought...
--
underground experts united
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*ernie
wrote:
>*ernie wrote:
>
>> For a stretch of a couple of years, it seemed
>> nearly all of Tyson's fights ended in the
>> 1st round.
>
>A function of Tyson's ability to intimidate, and his
>punching power.
>
>But also the opposition that Tyson fought...
front of him. But you're right about his opponents; I doubt his record
would have been impressive if he fought in the 70s.
Emanuel Berg
>>> For a stretch of a couple of years, it seemed
>>> nearly all of Tyson's fights ended in the
>>> 1st round.
>>
>> A function of Tyson's ability to intimidate, and
>> his punching power.
>>
>> But also the opposition that Tyson fought...
>
> It's not that he ducked anyone. He can only fight
> who they put in front of him.
Tyson on his way up was an impressive technical
peek-a-boo fighter, well-schooled, obviously very
fit, difficult to hit, and with perhaps _the_ quality
to have in pro boxing, namely crippling
punching power.
Photogenic combinations included the left
hook/uppercut to the body, then immediately uppercut
to the chin with the same hand.
His whole attitude to the fight game was impressive,
the sweet science or "art of fighting" if you will.
"You work on new things, you work on old things" -
Iron Mike
Emanuel Berg
> hook/uppercut to the body, then immediately
> uppercut to the chin with the same hand.
My opponent/friend then immediately dived down onto
the canvas. After a prolonged silence he opened his
eyes and asked "Has he gone yet?"
:)