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Ulrich Mayring

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WBO heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko was awarded the academic title
of PhD from the university of Kiew, making him the first heavyweight
champion in history to hold this academic degree (excluding honorary
ones, which have been awarded to various boxers).

Klitschko worked with 91 professional and aspiring young sportsmen
during the last three years to research into the topic of his thesis,
which concerns itself with sports education and talent spotting. The
Ukrainian commented: "I am very happy to have completed my studies with
this degree, which means at least as much to me as winning the WBO belt
against Herbie Hide."

He will be entering the ring for the first time as "Dr. Klitschko" on
April 1, to defend his title against Razor Ruddock. I believe this makes
Vitali Klitschko an exemplary spokesman for boxing and proves that it is
possible to use the spare time between bouts in a more sensible way than
partying or fucking call-girls.

Ulrich

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Gregory Gliedman

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Ulrich Mayring wrote:

> WBO heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko was awarded the academic title
> of PhD from the university of Kiew, making him the first heavyweight
> champion in history to hold this academic degree (excluding honorary
> ones, which have been awarded to various boxers).
>

Congrats to Dr. Klitschko. Is his thesis published anywhere?

> He will be entering the ring for the first time as "Dr. Klitschko" on
> April 1, to defend his title against Razor Ruddock. I believe this makes
> Vitali Klitschko an exemplary spokesman for boxing and proves that it is
> possible to use the spare time between bouts in a more sensible way than
> partying or fucking call-girls.
>

Many top grad students find time to do all three.

gg


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In article <38BD835F...@123.org>,

Ulrich Mayring <u...@123.org> wrote:
> WBO heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko was awarded the academic
title
> of PhD from the university of Kiew, making him the first heavyweight
> champion in history to hold this academic degree (excluding honorary
> ones, which have been awarded to various boxers).
>
> Klitschko worked with 91 professional and aspiring young sportsmen
> during the last three years to research into the topic of his thesis,
> which concerns itself with sports education and talent spotting. The
> Ukrainian commented: "I am very happy to have completed my studies
with
> this degree, which means at least as much to me as winning the WBO
belt
> against Herbie Hide."
>
> He will be entering the ring for the first time as "Dr. Klitschko" on
> April 1, to defend his title against Razor Ruddock. I believe this
makes
> Vitali Klitschko an exemplary spokesman for boxing and proves that it
is
> possible to use the spare time between bouts in a more sensible way
than
> partying or fucking call-girls.
>
> Ulrich
>

One thing I noticed about him vs. Sullivan was that Vitalij looked like
a smart fighter. He sounds like an intelligent guy, and that patience
and determination will take him far in the boxing world, I hope.

-doggy

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> Ulrich Mayring
> u...@123.org
>


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Patrick Kehoe

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Ulrich,
I read that this morning... I have to say I think what Vitali has done is
really amazing... former Canadian heavyweight contender Willie de Witt is
now a lawyer BUT he didn't begin law school until AFTER his career was ended
by a then very formidable Bert Cooper... cheers to Vitali!!!

Patrick Kehoe

Ulrich Mayring wrote:

> WBO heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko was awarded the academic title
> of PhD from the university of Kiew, making him the first heavyweight
> champion in history to hold this academic degree (excluding honorary
> ones, which have been awarded to various boxers).
>
> Klitschko worked with 91 professional and aspiring young sportsmen
> during the last three years to research into the topic of his thesis,
> which concerns itself with sports education and talent spotting. The
> Ukrainian commented: "I am very happy to have completed my studies with
> this degree, which means at least as much to me as winning the WBO belt
> against Herbie Hide."
>
> He will be entering the ring for the first time as "Dr. Klitschko" on
> April 1, to defend his title against Razor Ruddock. I believe this makes
> Vitali Klitschko an exemplary spokesman for boxing and proves that it is
> possible to use the spare time between bouts in a more sensible way than
> partying or fucking call-girls.
>
> Ulrich
>

> --
> Ulrich Mayring
> u...@123.org


Patrick Kehoe

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GG,
<Pat chuckling in this corner!>

Patrick Kehoe

Gregory Gliedman wrote:

> Ulrich Mayring wrote:
>
> > WBO heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko was awarded the academic title
> > of PhD from the university of Kiew, making him the first heavyweight
> > champion in history to hold this academic degree (excluding honorary
> > ones, which have been awarded to various boxers).
> >
>

> Congrats to Dr. Klitschko. Is his thesis published anywhere?
>

> > He will be entering the ring for the first time as "Dr. Klitschko" on
> > April 1, to defend his title against Razor Ruddock. I believe this makes
> > Vitali Klitschko an exemplary spokesman for boxing and proves that it is
> > possible to use the spare time between bouts in a more sensible way than
> > partying or fucking call-girls.
> >
>

GPurcell22

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>One thing I noticed about him vs. Sullivan was that Vitalij looked like
>a smart fighter. He sounds like an intelligent guy, and that patience
>and determination will take him far in the boxing world, I hope.

Talent is what takes you far in boxing. But I suspect that if you're smart, you
can probably overachieve and you're pretty much certain to be offered a job in
broadcasting fights after you're active career is over. Bobby Czyz is pretty
much a genius (he's apart of mensa) but that couldn't help him as a
heavyweight.

Dilfer

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Some trailer trash whore on the Jenny Jones Show, said she was in Mensa. I
had a tough time believing her. Since she had triple D's, was fat, and
just had an ugly package, typical talk show material. Her speech was
horrible as well. She had trouble speaking(she was gasping for air,
basically), so I had trouble receiving her to check if she really was
smart.
What does it take to be in Mensa? IQ of over 150?

GPurcell22 <gpurc...@aol.com> wrote in article
<20000301193858...@ng-cn1.aol.com>...

greg kerr

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Ulrich Mayring wrote:

> I believe this makes
> Vitali Klitschko an exemplary spokesman for boxing

Obviously a very intelligent man and a positive role model for a sport
normally dominated by loosers.


Ulrich Mayring

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Dilfer wrote:
>
> What does it take to be in Mensa? IQ of over 150?

You need to perform in the top 5% in an IQ test. You can go to their
website and take this test, if you like. However, it seems pretty
limited from an intellectual point of view to connect performance in an
IQ test to intelligence. Basically, you can be intelligent, you can
perform well in an IQ test and you can be heavyweight champion. But
there's not always a connection.

Ulrich Mayring

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Gregory Gliedman wrote:
>
> Congrats to Dr. Klitschko. Is his thesis published anywhere?

It better is, else he'll have to give his hat&gown back, along with the
degree ;-)

> > He will be entering the ring for the first time as "Dr. Klitschko" on
> > April 1, to defend his title against Razor Ruddock. I believe this makes
> > Vitali Klitschko an exemplary spokesman for boxing and proves that it is
> > possible to use the spare time between bouts in a more sensible way than
> > partying or fucking call-girls.
>
> Many top grad students find time to do all three.

Not only boxing has pitiful protagonists. Good to have the occasional exception.

Robert Phillips

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Ulrich Mayring wrote:
Dilfer wrote:
> What does it take to be in Mensa?  IQ of over 150?
You need to perform in the top 5% in an IQ test. You can go to their
website and take this test, if you like.
The tests available at their site ( www.mensa.org ) are not valid tests for membership (which their site makes clear); they are simply "pre-tests" to indicate performance potential on standard tests.  In addition to their own tests, placing in or above the 98th percentile on any of a number of "standard test{s}of intelligence" is acceptable for membership; there are many such tests which Mensa approves.
 

Pie
 
 

Brian

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On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 21:53:51 +0100, Ulrich Mayring <u...@123.org> wrote:

>I believe this makes
>Vitali Klitschko an exemplary spokesman for boxing and proves that it is
>possible to use the spare time between bouts in a more sensible way than
>partying or fucking call-girls.

That seems like a pretty good use of time...

I can't wait to see him fight over here against some good competition. I hope
he comes to America soon! I've heard enough about Vitali, come on HBO and
Showtime bring him over here!


Brown Sugar

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Degrees from the former Soviet Republics can not be taken
seriously. If Klitsko is such a proud and confident Doctor, why
doesn't he publish his doctoral desertation so that we can all
read and analyse for ourselves. Why didn't Mr Mayring name the
specific field in which got his doctorate? If Mayring wants us
to believe this is a genuine Doctorate, he must answer the
following questions:
1. In what specific field did Mr Klitschko graduate?
2. Where can we find and read his Doctoral Desertation?
3. How long did it take him to complete the program?
4. What prior educational qualifications has he got? Any,
Bachelors or Masters Degree? In what field? Any work
experience or successful projects?
5. Why did he have to abtain his Doctorate in his native Kiev
and not in Germany where he is currently based?

I have a feeling Mr Klitschko is just being awarded an honorary
doctorate in disguise

BS

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CRGTMC

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Brown Sugar showed his ignorance by writing:

>Degrees from the former Soviet Republics can not be taken
>seriously. If Klitsko is such a proud and confident Doctor, why
>doesn't he publish his doctoral desertation so that we can all
>read and analyse for ourselves. Why didn't Mr Mayring name the
>specific field in which got his doctorate? If Mayring wants us
>to believe this is a genuine Doctorate, he must answer the
>following questions:
>1. In what specific field did Mr Klitschko graduate?
>2. Where can we find and read his Doctoral Desertation?
>3. How long did it take him to complete the program?
>4. What prior educational qualifications has he got? Any,
> Bachelors or Masters Degree? In what field? Any work
> experience or successful projects?
>5. Why did he have to abtain his Doctorate in his native Kiev
> and not in Germany where he is currently based?
>
>I have a feeling Mr Klitschko is just being awarded an honorary
>doctorate in disguise
>
>

Isn't Brown Sugar the same idiot who started the "Tyson for President" thread?
Why should Klitschko have to earn his degree in a country of your choosing?
The only thing I've seen this troll engineer is a Bullshit post. IMO, your
claims of having earned a BS degree in engineering are Bull shit. Where did
you go to school?....It doesnt matter. It was a bullshit school. What was
your GPA?....It Doesnt matter. It was from a Bull Shit school.

Robert Phillips

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> Brown Sugar wrote

> > If Mayring wants us
> >to believe this is a genuine Doctorate, he must answer the
> >following questions:
> >1. In what specific field did Mr Klitschko graduate?
> >2. Where can we find and read his Doctoral Desertation?
> >3. How long did it take him to complete the program?
> ...etc.

I've no reason to doubt the legitimacy of Klitschko's PhD. However it must be
noted, in fairness, that degree curricula and requirements, educational
philosophy, and nomenclature, among other things, differ widely across the globe.


Pie


Melanie Ley

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On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 02:35:33 -0800, Brown Sugar
<brown_sugar...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>Degrees from the former Soviet Republics can not be taken
>seriously.

And how many degrees do you have?


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dciR...@cheetah.net

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Pie,

Right here in the USA, there are
degree mills where you can get
a doctorate degree for just a few
hundred dollars after filling out
a questionnaire.

Heck! I could have gotten a doctorate
degree in "Things that Glow in the
Dark." The dissertation would be on
the surprises found using a policeman's
flashlight.

DCI

Brown Sugar

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>And how many degrees do you have?

I have a Bsc and Msc in Electrical Engineering from a top
University. I can prove my identity and credentials to you by
email if you are decent enough to guarantee my privacy.

i cheehuahua

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Ulrich Mayring wrote:
>
> WBO heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko was awarded the academic title
> of PhD from the university of Kiew, making him the first heavyweight
> champion in history to hold this academic degree (excluding honorary
> ones, which have been awarded to various boxers).

So, whats your point. May I say...big f*cking deal. Lennox Lewis got
his MBE from the Queen...you know what I say to that...Big F*cking
deal. Does this academic degree certify Vitali as a genius? I don't
frickin think so. Does beating Herbie "Run and" Hide make you the
number one contendar? I don't frickin think so. It is good to see
Vitali continuing with an education....because the world of Boxing is as
unpredictable as your next bowel movement.

i cheehuahua....glug glug glug...Aaaaahhhhhh...catch the taste!

RPP

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On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:13:23 -0800, Brown Sugar
<brown_sugar...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>>And how many degrees do you have?
>
>I have a Bsc and Msc in Electrical Engineering from a top
>University. I can prove my identity and credentials to you by
>email if you are decent enough to guarantee my privacy.
>
>

You should go and die.

RPP

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On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 02:35:33 -0800, Brown Sugar
<brown_sugar...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>Degrees from the former Soviet Republics can not be taken
>seriously.

Fuck yourself you brown shit.

> If Klitsko is such a proud and confident Doctor, why
>doesn't he publish his doctoral desertation so that we can all
>read and analyse for ourselves.

You are so FUCKING stupid you couldnt analyze shit,


Robert Phillips

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dciR...@cheetah.net wrote:

> On 03 Mar 2000 09:10:34 EST, Robert Phillips <RP...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >I've no reason to doubt the legitimacy of Klitschko's PhD. However it must be
> >noted, in fairness, that degree curricula and requirements, educational
> >philosophy, and nomenclature, among other things, differ widely across the globe.
> >Pie

> Right here in the USA, there are
> degree mills where you can get
> a doctorate degree for just a few
> hundred dollars after filling out
> a questionnaire.

Absolutely - I get those spam e-mails all the time, offering me degrees from
"prestigious non-accredited universities" - as if there is such a thing! And then
they tell me that with such degrees, I can get the job and the income that I "deserve"
- as though the most "deserved" income is not earned.


Pie

doggyb...@my-deja.com

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In article <0857c83e...@usw-ex0101-007.remarq.com>,

Brown Sugar <brown_sugar...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >And how many degrees do you have?
>
> I have a Bsc and Msc in Electrical Engineering from a top
> University. I can prove my identity and credentials to you by
> email if you are decent enough to guarantee my privacy.


And with this you're trying to prove how smart you are?

I believe the average GPA requirement for most engineering programs are
between 2.0-2.25 (equal to a grade of a C ).
So all you have to do is get C's, use the grade forgiveness policy to
retake those failed courses, go to graduate school, do the same and
you're an Engineer!!

Compare that with GPA requirements of 3.7-4.0 for Medical schools,
Psychology PhD. programs, etc.

-doggyboy ;>

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Heath Reed

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Brown Sugar wrote

:>And how many degrees do you have?
:
:I have a Bsc and Msc in Electrical Engineering from a top
:University. I can prove my identity and credentials to you by
:email if you are decent enough to guarantee my privacy.

Anyone with a masters should know it's dissertation, not
desertation. That's beyond a simple spelling mistake.

Heath

Brown Sugar

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Heath Read:

>Anyone with a masters should know it's dissertation, not
>desertation.

Hmmmmmmm!! My Bad!!!!! Thanks for the correction but not for the
low dig. I realized my error after dispatching my message but I
didn't bother to correct it because I know folks here dont fuss
too much about minor spelling errors because everyone is
susceptible to it. No Big Deal

Ulrich Mayring

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Robert Phillips wrote:
>
> The tests available at their site ( www.mensa.org ) are not valid
> tests for membership (which their site makes clear); they are simply
> "pre-tests" to indicate performance potential on standard tests. In
> addition to their own tests, placing in or above the 98th percentile
> on any of a number of "standard test{s}of intelligence" is acceptable
> for membership; there are many such tests which Mensa approves.

Really? Last time I looked they accepted a bunch of different IQ tests
and nothing else. IQ tests are more or less bullshit, though. Consider
the definition of intelligence by the guy who invented IQ tests:

Intelligence is what an IQ test measures.

I have a couple more such definitions:

Art is what an artist creates.
Rocket science is what a rocket scientist does.

Ulrich Mayring

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Brown Sugar wrote:
>
> Degrees from the former Soviet Republics can not be taken
> seriously. If Klitsko is such a proud and confident Doctor, why

Makes me wonder why all those soviet engineers and scientists gave you
Americans a hell of a time in the Cold War. I guess the American degrees
should not be taken seriously.

> doesn't he publish his doctoral desertation so that we can all

> read and analyse for ourselves. Why didn't Mr Mayring name the

> specific field in which got his doctorate? If Mayring wants us


> to believe this is a genuine Doctorate, he must answer the
> following questions:

Mr. Mayring does not have to answer any question, as he is not a
spokesman for anyone but himself.

> 1. In what specific field did Mr Klitschko graduate?

All the information I have about this is in my posting.

> 2. Where can we find and read his Doctoral Desertation?

Don't know.

> 3. How long did it take him to complete the program?

At least three years (read my posting).

> 4. What prior educational qualifications has he got? Any,
> Bachelors or Masters Degree? In what field? Any work
> experience or successful projects?

Don't know.

> 5. Why did he have to abtain his Doctorate in his native Kiev
> and not in Germany where he is currently based?

Because he has been studying in Kiev a long time before he came to Germany.

> I have a feeling Mr Klitschko is just being awarded an honorary

> doctorate in disguise.

Yeah, I think the University of Kiev desperately needs a heavyweight
champion in their ranks, in order to be taken seriously in the academic world.

Ulrich Mayring

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Robert Phillips wrote:
>
> I've no reason to doubt the legitimacy of Klitschko's PhD. However it must be
> noted, in fairness, that degree curricula and requirements, educational
> philosophy, and nomenclature, among other things, differ widely across the globe.

You're right, academically the American PhD is not worth as much as the
European one. The same goes for undergraduate degrees. However, the
American education system is geared towards practical application and
not theory. That's why the Americans are beating us Europeans in almost
every industry. And, on top of that, there are many geniuses in the US,
who are supported in a much better way than in Europe.

Ulrich Mayring

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i cheehuahua wrote:
>
> So, whats your point. May I say...big f*cking deal. Lennox Lewis got
> his MBE from the Queen...you know what I say to that...Big F*cking
> deal. Does this academic degree certify Vitali as a genius? I don't

It certifies him as an individual, who can hold his own in life even
without boxing. We should have more of these people in this sport.

> frickin think so. Does beating Herbie "Run and" Hide make you the
> number one contendar? I don't frickin think so. It is good to see

Vitali Klitschko was the number one contender before he beat Herbie
Hide. Not sure what you are referring to.

> i cheehuahua....glug glug glug...Aaaaahhhhhh...catch the taste!

That's what cheap whiskey does to you :)

doggyb...@my-deja.com

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In article <250eb58f...@usw-ex0101-007.remarq.com>,

Brown Sugar <brown_sugar...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> Degrees from the former Soviet Republics can not be taken
> seriously.

yeah, and non-accredited American Universities either.

If Klitsko is such a proud and confident Doctor, why

> doesn't he publish his doctoral desertation so that we can all
> read and analyse for ourselves.

Its analyze.

>Why didn't Mr Mayring name the
> specific field in which got his doctorate?
If Mayring wants us
> to believe this is a genuine Doctorate, he must answer the

> following questions:He

Why should he? Why should Ulrich be responsible for Klitschko's
accomplishments?
If you want to know more about Klitschko's doctoral thesis on talent
and sponsorship in sports, then why don't you look it up??

> 1. In what specific field did Mr Klitschko graduate?

> 2. Where can we find and read his Doctoral Desertation?

its dissertation, not desertation.

> 3. How long did it take him to complete the program?

> 4. What prior educational qualifications has he got? Any,
> Bachelors or Masters Degree? In what field? Any work
> experience or successful projects?

> 5. Why did he have to abtain his Doctorate in his native Kiev
> and not in Germany where he is currently based?
>

> I have a feeling Mr Klitschko is just being awarded an honorary
> doctorate in disguise

I have a feeling you have no interest in reading Klitschko's doctoral
thesis, nor do you have any particular interest in adding anything
constructive to this newsgroup. You're just here to compare yourself to
others. Go away!
-doggyboy ;>

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On Sat, 04 Mar 2000 00:50:51 +0100, Ulrich Mayring <u...@123.org> wrote:

>> Degrees from the former Soviet Republics can not be taken

>> seriously. If Klitsko is such a proud and confident Doctor, why
>
>Makes me wonder why all those soviet engineers and scientists gave you
>Americans a hell of a time in the Cold War. I guess the American degrees
>should not be taken seriously.

Snicker. Guffaw. LOL! Great comeback, Ulrich. 8-)

RPP

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On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:37:26 -0800, Brown Sugar
<brown_sugar...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>Heath Read:
>>Anyone with a masters should know it's dissertation, not
>>desertation.
>
>Hmmmmmmm!! My Bad!!!!! Thanks for the correction but not for the
>low dig. I realized my error after dispatching my message but I
>didn't bother to correct it because I know folks here dont fuss
>too much about minor spelling errors because everyone is
>susceptible to it. No Big Deal
>

Bullshit. You were caught in your ignorance and you try to cover it
up. Go fucking die WHORE.


>BS
>
BS is perfect description of you.

Robert Phillips

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Ulrich Mayring wrote:

> Robert Phillips wrote:
> > The tests available at their site ( www.mensa.org ) are not valid
> > tests for membership (which their site makes clear); they are simply
> > "pre-tests" to indicate performance potential on standard tests. In
> > addition to their own tests, placing in or above the 98th percentile
> > on any of a number of "standard test{s}of intelligence" is acceptable
> > for membership; there are many such tests which Mensa approves.
> Really? Last time I looked they accepted a bunch of different IQ tests
> and nothing else.

I think we're saying the same thing. Again, quoting their site:
"Membership in Mensa is open to persons who have attained a score within
the upper two percent of the general population on an approved intelligence
test that has been properly administered and supervised. There is no other
qualification or disqualification for membership eligibility."


Pie


i cheehuahua

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Ulrich Mayring wrote:

> That's what cheap whiskey does to you :)
>
> Ulrich


Awe come on now...Canadian Club is not Cheap whiskey. It's expensive
stuff...that's why I don't drink. The only people around here who can
afford to be drunks are ironically homeless.

i cheehuahua

i cheehuahua

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Heath Reed wrote:
>
> Brown Sugar wrote
>
> :>And how many degrees do you have?
> :
> :I have a Bsc and Msc in Electrical Engineering from a top
> :University. I can prove my identity and credentials to you by
> :email if you are decent enough to guarantee my privacy.
>
> Anyone with a masters should know it's dissertation, not
> desertation. That's beyond a simple spelling mistake.
>
> Heath


LO frick L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i cheehuahua

i cheehuahua

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> Brown Sugar <brown_sugar...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >And how many degrees do you have?
> >
> > I have a Bsc and Msc in Electrical Engineering from a top
> > University. I can prove my identity and credentials to you by
> > email if you are decent enough to guarantee my privacy.
>
> And with this you're trying to prove how smart you are?


This guy is as smart as a dried up piece of rat shit. The only
difference is the rat shit looks and smells better than this punk. Also
I'd rather hang out with the piece of Rat shit...it probably has a
better chance of picking up a date than this sore loser.

Just listen to him...I can prove who I am if you guarantee my privacy.
That line alone has to come from a clueless idiot.

i cheehuahua

Ulrich Mayring

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i cheehuahua wrote:
>
> Awe come on now...Canadian Club is not Cheap whiskey. It's expensive
> stuff...that's why I don't drink. The only people around here who can
> afford to be drunks are ironically homeless.

It's expensive because the government taxes it so much. Without the
taxes Canadian Club would be like Jack Daniels or Jim Beam. Nothing a
serious Whiskey drinker would touch ;-)

cheers,

Ulrich (going for a Bowmore now)

--
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JCohen9626

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In article <89pir8$94g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, doggyb...@my-deja.com writes:

>And with this you're trying to prove how smart you are?
>

>I believe the average GPA requirement for most engineering programs are
>between 2.0-2.25 (equal to a grade of a C ).
>So all you have to do is get C's, use the grade forgiveness policy to
>retake those failed courses, go to graduate school, do the same and
>you're an Engineer!!
>
>Compare that with GPA requirements of 3.7-4.0 for Medical schools,
>Psychology PhD. programs, etc.
>

as a washout of one of the finest engineering prgrams in the world some years
ago, a can assure that an engineering degree carries a great deal more of
accomplishment than any degree. Med schools don't even take 50% of pre-med
students. as for doctorate and masters programs, dn't open ya trap until you've
done it. becasue afterwards, its an about face on the reasons for doing the
degree.

Leo Bueno

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On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:38:01 -0800, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@sprint.ca>
wrote:

>Ulrich,
>I read that this morning... I have to say I think what Vitali has done is
>really amazing... former Canadian heavyweight contender Willie de Witt is
>now a lawyer BUT he didn't begin law school until AFTER his career was ended
>by a then very formidable Bert Cooper... cheers to Vitali!!!
>


I think "Irish" Mickey Ward (handled by the Petronelli brothers in the
late 80s early 90s I think) is now a physician.

The Sanity Cruzer

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Leo Bueno wrote in message <38c43871...@news.accesspro.net>...

>I think "Irish" Mickey Ward (handled by the Petronelli brothers in the
>late 80s early 90s I think) is now a physician.


Well, if he is, Dr. Ward is fighting on HBO this Saturday in London. I've
never heard a peep, prior to this, about Ward being in college, let alone a
doctor.

TSC

Alejandro Olague

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So leob...@accesspro.netREMOVETEXTAFTERnet (Leo Bueno) says

>Maybe I got the name wrong. He is probably too old now to be fighting
>(then again, so is Larry Holmes and George Formeman). I am positive
>that it was an Irish fellow managed by Pat and Goody Petronelli (who
>handled Marvin Hagler).
>
>

Steve Collins? Anyway, one of the fighters that Peter McNeeley has
KO'd, is a M.D. who donates the money from his fights to charity. A
"bum" (no disrespect meant, really), but still a pro fighter with a
PhD.

Alejandro

Ivan Weiss

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On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Leo Bueno wrote:

> I think "Irish" Mickey Ward (handled by the Petronelli brothers in the
> late 80s early 90s I think) is now a physician.

No, you're thinking of Terry Christle, who also is from Ireland. Mickey
Ward was and is a fighter. I'm looking forward to his HBO match with Neary
this weekend.

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Leo Bueno

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On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:43:55 GMT, "The Sanity Cruzer"
<sanity...@cruzers.com> wrote:

>Leo Bueno wrote in message <38c43871...@news.accesspro.net>...
>

>>I think "Irish" Mickey Ward (handled by the Petronelli brothers in the
>>late 80s early 90s I think) is now a physician.
>
>

The Sanity Cruzer

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Alejandro Olague wrote in message ...

>So leob...@accesspro.netREMOVETEXTAFTERnet (Leo Bueno) says
>

>Steve Collins? Anyway, one of the fighters that Peter McNeeley has
>KO'd, is a M.D. who donates the money from his fights to charity. A
>"bum" (no disrespect meant, really), but still a pro fighter with a
>PhD.


I think I remember the guy to whom he's referring. IIRC, he was a doctor
and he might have been from Ireland. He was somewhat tall and thin I think.
He was in good cardio condition, but he could punch worth a damn. That's if
IIRC. It was a LONG time ago. No, it wasn't Steve Collins.

TSC

DNG

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The Sanity Cruzer <sanity...@cruzers.com> wrote in article
<Mp1x4.3277$yV1.8...@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>...
Hi

It was I think one of the Christle brothers, Terry or (I cannot remember
the Christian name of the other). I think they're from Dublin.

I don't think either ever fought McNeeley though as both were decent
amateurs. As far as I know they hooked Collins up with the Petronellis.

Regards
Dave


Robert Phillips

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Alejandro Olague wrote:

> Steve Collins? Anyway, one of the fighters that Peter McNeeley has
> KO'd, is a M.D. who donates the money from his fights to charity. A
> "bum" (no disrespect meant, really), but still a pro fighter with a
> PhD.

> Alejandro

Aren't you talking about Dr. Harold Reitman, something like that? Isn't there a
pro clubfighter, a heavy, who fights basically in his spare time from his medical
practice somewhere here in Florida?


Pie


Leo Bueno

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On 07 Mar 2000 09:39:43 EST, Robert Phillips <RP...@concentric.net>
wrote:

>

No, no, that's not who I was talking about. Dr. Reitman was a South
Florida ortopedic surgeon who did some professional fighting around
here. The guy I was talking about was a tall lanky Irish fellow who
was a medical student at the time; I recall hearing that he became a
physician.

Bob Sheehy

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The Brothers Petronelli handled "Irish" Steve Collins back when.

If Collins is now an MD, it's news to me.


Ivan Weiss

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On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Leo Bueno wrote:

> No, no, that's not who I was talking about. Dr. Reitman was a South
> Florida ortopedic surgeon who did some professional fighting around
> here. The guy I was talking about was a tall lanky Irish fellow who
> was a medical student at the time; I recall hearing that he became a
> physician.

I posted several days ago that it was Terry Christle. Here it is again.
He was a middleweight who was trained by the Petronellis.

JCohen9626

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In article <%oXw4.2432$yV1.5...@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>, "The Sanity Cruzer"
<sanity...@cruzers.com> writes:

>Leo Bueno wrote in message <38c43871...@news.accesspro.net>...
>
>>I think "Irish" Mickey Ward (handled by the Petronelli brothers in the
>>late 80s early 90s I think) is now a physician.
>
>
>Well, if he is, Dr. Ward is fighting on HBO this Saturday in London. I've
>never heard a peep, prior to this, about Ward being in college, let alone a
>doctor.
>

he is a construction worker.drives a steamroller. nice try.

Leo Bueno

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On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:30:20 -0800, Ivan Weiss <iv...@ham.nw.verio.net>
wrote:

>
>I posted several days ago that it was Terry Christle. Here it is again.
>He was a middleweight who was trained by the Petronellis.


Now that I hear the name, sounds like it.


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You can't really compare a curriculum of engineering courses as opposed to
psychology or med school and match GPA numbers like that. In other words,
it's quality, not quantity. In many cases, just to get a 3.0 in
engineering, comp sci, math, physics, etc. it takes a heck of a lot of
dedication, personal study, and social sacrifices (elimination of partying,
staying home on the weekends to study, staying up all night to get an
experiment done, computer program working, etc.), and just plain smarts.
In many cases, your thinking about that missing solution to the problem for
a whole week, if not longer! I have a Masters in Computer Science and I
know this experience. This is not to say that you don't sacrifice to get
high grades in all topics, but the hard sciences are much tougher and have
a much higher attrition rate amongst freshman and sophomore students than
the other courses that you mentioned.

I'm not saying that the 3.0 or 4.0 in psychology or med school is easy, but
I would guess that the difference in GPA in a science or math curriculum as
opposed to psychology, language, etc. is about a 1 point differential in
terms of average grade. No, it's not a scientific survey, but I've seen
many 4.0 students who do not major in the sciences fall flat on their face
when it comes time to take that math or computer elective course. I've
personally seen the panic in the faces of these students because their
valedictorian or dean's list status become jeopardized.

doggyb...@my-deja.com wrote:

> In article <0857c83e...@usw-ex0101-007.remarq.com>,
> Brown Sugar <brown_sugar...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >And how many degrees do you have?
> >
> > I have a Bsc and Msc in Electrical Engineering from a top
> > University. I can prove my identity and credentials to you by
> > email if you are decent enough to guarantee my privacy.
>

> And with this you're trying to prove how smart you are?
>
> I believe the average GPA requirement for most engineering programs are
> between 2.0-2.25 (equal to a grade of a C ).
> So all you have to do is get C's, use the grade forgiveness policy to
> retake those failed courses, go to graduate school, do the same and
> you're an Engineer!!
>
> Compare that with GPA requirements of 3.7-4.0 for Medical schools,
> Psychology PhD. programs, etc.
>

> -doggyboy ;>
>
> >
> > BS


> >
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Robert Phillips

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Paul McKenzie wrote:

> No, it's not a scientific survey, but I've seen
> many 4.0 students who do not major in the sciences fall flat on their face
> when it comes time to take that math or computer elective course.

Aptitudes differ. That could explain why those 4.0 students aren't
math/science majors to begin with, because they don't have the aptitude for it.

I'm one of them - I started hitting the mathematics wall in 10th grade, never
made it to the prestigious calculus classes, and I made a D and an F in trig
and analytic geometry. And as an undergrad in college, I took exactly *two*
"mathematics courses, which was the minimum requirement. One was something
called "Finite Math" that I rarely attended and still managed to ace, because
it was embarassingly easy - and the catalogue described it as "for the student
who plans on taking no further mathematics courses." They might just as well
have mentioned me by name! The other "math" course was the standard Intro to
Computer Science class, which the uni very conveniently allowed as one of the
two required mathematics courses. And that was it, I was done with the
mathematics. The undergrad science courses I didn't have too much problem
with. I went on to get my degree in English/Lit and will finish my MA either
this spring or summer, with only minimal trauma.


Pie

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Patrick Kehoe

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Pie,
As you know (then) Robert... ALL fields have the upper crust... getting in is a
weeding out process, surely... but THEN comes the intellectual "making the grade"
in graduate school AND finally knowing who's are the top minds of your tenure... in
Canada you are "ranked" within the department... so if you are at say Queen's,
McGill, U.of Toronto or UBC and are in the seminars (all 12 of you!) you know you
are part of a small group of "minds" within your era... a buddy of mine used to say
there's only about 50 of us! (in the country of course)

Patrick Kehoe

CHICAG...@webtv.net

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dciR...@cheetah.net

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On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:49:19 -0500, Todd Hildreth <jav...@iglou.com>
wrote:

>CHICAG...@webtv.net said:
>> Big deal....Does knowing how to find the Hypotenuse of a right
>> triangle,help ya throw a better left hook...???
>
>Being potty trained doesn't help you throw a better left hook either,
>but it's a good skill to have.
>
>Todd


You mean to tell us, potty
trained folks have a skill?

DCI

CHICAG...@webtv.net

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dciR...@cheetah.net

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On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:47:51 -0800 (PST), CHICAG...@webtv.net wrote:

>I hit hard enough,that you would shit your pants anyway.....!!!


It is really too bad that my
years have come and gone quite
some time back. But I still recall
many a big talking type saying
the same things to me even in those
days. It was always rather funny
then and it's even funnier now to
read again those often unfulfilled
words.

Enjoy.

DCI


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