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Matt Tegen

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May 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/24/99
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In another debate started by JohnBoy (I believe). I will come to the
rescue again and provide the facts, with a record of Cleveland Williams.

Fighter: Cleveland "Big Cat" Williams
Career Record: 78-13-1 (58)
Born: 6-30-33 Griffin, GA

1951
Dec 11 Lee Hunt Tampa, FL KO 3

1952
Feb 4 Paul Banks New Orleans KO 1
Feb 26 Rudolph Wood Fort Hesterly, FL KO 2
Feb 29 Roosevelt Holmes New Orleans W 6
Mar 28 Ray Banks New Orleans KO 1
Apr 15 Johnny Fowler Tampa, FL KO 5
May 28 Ray Brown Miami KO 3
Jun 10 Paul Favorite Tampa, FL KO 4
Jun 17 Harry Turner Tampa, FL KO 1
Jun 24 Eddie Joe Williams Daytona Beach, FL KO 1
Jul 8 Jimmy Felton Miami Beach KO 3
Jul 22 Lee Raymond Miami Beach KO 5
Jul 25 Sam Harrol Macon, GA KO 4
Aug 12 Candy McDaniels Miami Beach KO 2
Sep 2 Baby Booze Tampa, FL KO 1
Sep 12 Roosevelt Holmes New Orleans KO 1
Sep 16 Art Henry Miami Beach KO 8
Sep 23 Joe McFadden Philadelphia KO 6
Oct 3 Johnny Hollins New Orleans KO 1
Nov 25 Claude Rolfe Tampa, FL KO 9
Dec 8 "Graveyard" Walters Dayton Beach, FL KO 2

1953
Jan 13 Abie Gibson Tampa, FL KO 1
Mar 4 Ponce DeLeon Miami W 8
Mar 12 Terry O'Connor Minneapolis KO 3
Mar 24 Ponce DeLeon Tampa, FL KO 2
May 12 Omelio Agramonte Tampa, FL W 10
Sep 1 Keene Simmons Tampa, FL W 10
Sep 24 Sonny Jones New York L 4
Oct 1 Claude Rolfe Charlotte, NC KO 3
Oct 20 Lloyd Wills Miami Beach KO 2

1954
Mar 9 Jimmy Walls Tampa, FL KO 1
Jun 8 Sonny Jones Tampa, FL KO 7
Jun 22 Bob Satterfield Miami Beach KO by 3

1955
Inactive

1956
Aug 6 John Hollins Austin, TX KO 3

1957
Jun 11 Johnny Mason Houston KO 1
Jul 15 J.D. Marshall Tyler, TX KO 2
Jul 23 Cliff Gray Houston KO 1
Sep 17 John Holman Houston KO 7
Oct 15 John Holman Houston KO 7
Dec 3 Frankie Daniels Miami Beach W 10

1958
Feb 4 Gene White Houston KO 1
Mar 25 Dick Richardson London WDQ 4
Jun 3 Frankie Daniels Houston W 10
Dec 9 Howie Turner Houston W 10

1959
Jan 13 Ollie Wilson Houston KO 3
Apr 15 Sonny Liston Miami Beach KO by 3
May 26 Ernie Cab Houston KO 3
Oct 14 Curley Lee Houston KO 10

1960
Mar 21 Sonny Liston Houston KO by 2
Oct 24 Ben Marshall Dallas KO 2
Nov 1 George Moore Houston KO 4
Dec 7 Johnny Hayden Miami Beach KO 2

1961
Feb 7 Wayne Bethea Houston W 10
May 16 Alex Miteff Houston KO 5
Dec 19 Jim Wiley Houston KO 1

1962
Apr 3 Ernie Terrell Houston KO 7
May 15 Alonzo Johnson Houston KO 1
Jul 10 Eddie Machen Houston D 10
Oct 23 Dave Bailey Houston KO 5

1963
Mar 9 Billy Daniels Miami Beach W 10
Apr 2 Young Jack Johnson Houston KO 10
Apr 13 Ernie Terrell Philadelphia L 10
Aug 13 Kirk Barrow Houston KO 3
Oct 8 Roger Rischer Houston KO 3

1964
Apr 7 Tommy Fields Houston W 10
Jul 21 Sonny Banks Houston KO 6
Sep 30 Billy Daniels Houston W 10

1965
Inactive

1966
Feb 8 Ben Black Houston KO 1
Mar 22 Mel Turnbow Houston W 10
Apt 18 Sonny Moore Houston W 10
Jun 28 Tod Herring Houston KO 3
Nov 14 Muhammad Ali Houston KO by 3
(For World Heavyweight Title)

1967
Inactive

1968
May 21 Roy Crear Houston KO 1
Jun 21 Mike Bruce Houston KO 1
Jun 25 Leslie Bordon Houston KO 1
Aug 6 Jean-Claude Roy Houston W 10
Oct 7 Moses Harrell Tampa, FL KO 7
Nov 21 Bob Cleroux Montreal L 10

1969
Mar 18 Charley Polite Houston W 10
May 20 Al Jones Miami Beach KO by 8
Sep 14 Mac Foster Fresno, CA KO by 5
Nov 18 Mac Foster Houston KO by 3
Dec 9 Leroy Caldwell Orlando, FL KO 10

1970
Apr 14 Eddie Brooks Milwaukee KO 11
May 26 Roberto Davila Milwaukee W 10
Oct 21 Al "Blue" Lewis Detroit KO by 4

1971
Apr 28 Ted Gullick Cleveland W 10
Sep 22 Jack O'Halloran Houston L 10
Nov 17 George Chuvalo Houston L 10
May 11 Terry Daniels Dallas W 12
Jul 11 Bob Washburn Denver KO 9
Oct 29 Roberto Davila Denver W 10

Diego

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May 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/24/99
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COBALT1914 wrote:
>
> You know what I find Strange....
>
> Ali was highly Critical of the appearance of a set-up in the Holy-Lewis fight,
> but yet he gives Williams a title shot after being Koed a few months earlier in
> his last fight.
>
How do you figure? Williams' last loss, before the Ali fight, came via
decision to Ernie Terrell. Look below.


Apr 13 Ernie Terrell Philadelphia L 10
Aug 13 Kirk Barrow Houston KO 3
Oct 8 Roger Rischer Houston KO 3

1964
Apr 7 Tommy Fields Houston W 10
Jul 21 Sonny Banks Houston KO 6
Sep 30 Billy Daniels Houston W 10

1965
Inactive

1966
Feb 8 Ben Black Houston KO 1
Mar 22 Mel Turnbow Houston W 10
Apt 18 Sonny Moore Houston W 10
Jun 28 Tod Herring Houston KO 3
Nov 14 Muhammad Ali Houston KO by 3
(For World Heavyweight Title)

> Brian Davis
> Riverdale, IL

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Dennis Beebe

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May 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/24/99
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Diego wrote:

> COBALT1914 wrote:
> >
> > You know what I find Strange....
> >
> > Ali was highly Critical of the appearance of a set-up in the Holy-Lewis fight,
> > but yet he gives Williams a title shot after being Koed a few months earlier in
> > his last fight.
> >
> How do you figure? Williams' last loss, before the Ali fight, came via
> decision to Ernie Terrell. Look below.
>

> Apr 13 Ernie Terrell Philadelphia L 10
> Aug 13 Kirk Barrow Houston KO 3
> Oct 8 Roger Rischer Houston KO 3
>
> 1964
> Apr 7 Tommy Fields Houston W 10
> Jul 21 Sonny Banks Houston KO 6
> Sep 30 Billy Daniels Houston W 10
>
> 1965
> Inactive
>
> 1966
> Feb 8 Ben Black Houston KO 1
> Mar 22 Mel Turnbow Houston W 10
> Apt 18 Sonny Moore Houston W 10
> Jun 28 Tod Herring Houston KO 3
> Nov 14 Muhammad Ali Houston KO by 3
> (For World Heavyweight Title)
>

> > Brian Davis
> > Riverdale, IL
>

I'm not 100% sure because I'm only going from memory but isn't Big Cat the one that
killed Sonny Banks? I remember Banks dying as a result of a beating he took in the
ring and I think it was Williams. Anyone know for sure?


Matt Tegen

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May 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/24/99
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Dennis Beebe wrote:
>
> I'm not 100% sure because I'm only going from memory but isn't Big Cat the one that
> killed Sonny Banks? I remember Banks dying as a result of a beating he took in the
> ring and I think it was Williams. Anyone know for sure?

Leotis Martin was the fighter that killed Sonny Banks.

Matt Tegen

Dennis Beebe

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May 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/24/99
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Matt Tegen wrote:

Now I remember. Thanks.


COBALT1914

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May 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/25/99
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You know what I find Strange....

Ali was highly Critical of the appearance of a set-up in the Holy-Lewis fight,
but yet he gives Williams a title shot after being Koed a few months earlier in
his last fight.


Brian Davis
Riverdale, IL

Gregory Gliedman

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May 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/25/99
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I asked for Cleve's record to be posted...thanks!

gg


Michael W Haught

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May 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/25/99
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COBALT1914 (cobal...@aol.comBrian) wrote:
: You know what I find Strange....


: Brian Davis
: Riverdale, IL

A lot of what Ali says now does not seem to be relevant when he looks at
his own career. Ali benefited by Don King and the sanctioning bodies
quite well in the '70s.
--
-mwh

Ivan Weiss

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May 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/25/99
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On Mon, 24 May 1999, Dennis Beebe wrote:

> I'm not 100% sure because I'm only going from memory but isn't Big Cat
> the one that killed Sonny Banks? I remember Banks dying as a result of a
> beating he took in the ring and I think it was Williams. Anyone know for
> sure?

Leotis Martin.

Ivan Weiss HEATHEN, n. A benighted creature who has the folly
Vashon WA to worship something that he can see and feel.
-- Ambrose Bierce: The Devil's Dictionary


Diego

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May 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/25/99
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Matt Tegen wrote:
>
> Dennis Beebe wrote:
> >
> > I'm not 100% sure because I'm only going from memory but isn't Big Cat the one that
> > killed Sonny Banks? I remember Banks dying as a result of a beating he took in the
> > ring and I think it was Williams. Anyone know for sure?
>
> Leotis Martin was the fighter that killed Sonny Banks.
>
If I am not mistaken, Martin also ended the career of Sonny Liston in
their fight (and his own career as well [from a detached retina]). Does
anyone have Martin's record?

> Matt Tegen

Michael W Haught

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May 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/25/99
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Diego (die...@mindspring.com) wrote:
<snip>
: > Leotis Martin was the fighter that killed Sonny Banks.

: >
: If I am not mistaken, Martin also ended the career of Sonny Liston in
: their fight (and his own career as well [from a detached retina]). Does
: anyone have Martin's record?

: > Matt Tegen

I don't know about his record, but he did KO Liston around 1970. I think
Liston's jab gave Martin the detatched retina in that fight also.

I remember the KO of Liston as seeming to come out of nowhere in that
fight. Really proved how used up Sonny was by that time (at least to my
young mind).
--
-mwh

TW

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May 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/25/99
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In article <19990524222743...@ngol03.aol.com>,
cobal...@aol.comBrian (COBALT1914) wrote:

> You know what I find Strange....
>
> Ali was highly Critical of the appearance of a set-up in the Holy-Lewis fight,
> but yet he gives Williams a title shot after being Koed a few months
earlier in
> his last fight.


I hardly think that the one event, thirty years ago, has much relevance to
the other. It wasn't the same kind of thing at all. Williams was past his
prime and of course he'd been shot, but he was still an experienced and
dangerous fighter, and ex-champ Joe Louis even predicted that Williams
would give Ali a tough time. What happened, of course, was one of the
most one-sided heavyweight title bouts in history.

TW

Dennis Beebe

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May 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/25/99
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Diego wrote:

>
> If I am not mistaken, Martin also ended the career of Sonny Liston in
> their fight (and his own career as well [from a detached retina]). Does
> anyone have Martin's record?
>

> He didn't end his career. He gave him a brutal beating, but a few months later he Ko'd
> Wepner and a few months after that his career was ended by the mob when they killed him.

Bob Sheehy

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May 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/25/99
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Brian Davis may be interested in knowing that Williams was Ali's fifth
title defense of 1966. Ali took on the Big Cat two months after going a
surprisingly competitive twelve rounds with the undefeated Karl
Mildenberger. Three months after skinning the Cat, Ali went fifteen
rounds in decisioning bogus WBA champion Ernie Terrell, then stopped
Zora Folley the very next month.

It's called "cleaning out the division." I'm not sure what it has to do
with the Lewis-Holyfield fiasco.


Michael Haught

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May 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/25/99
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Dennis Beebe wrote in message <374AB1DB...@islandnet.com>...

>
>
>Diego wrote:
>
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, Martin also ended the career of Sonny Liston in
>> their fight (and his own career as well [from a detached retina]). Does
>> anyone have Martin's record?
>>
>> He didn't end his career. He gave him a brutal beating, but a few months
later he Ko'd
>> Wepner and a few months after that his career was ended by the mob when
they killed him.
>
That is right. That was the fight with the famous Liston quote in answer to
and interviewer's question, "is Wepner the bravest fighter that you ever
fought? 'no, his manager is.'"

-mwh

COBALT1914

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May 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/26/99
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Yeah, you are right...

I though that to read he got stopped in three. My Badd!!!


Brian Davis
Riverdale, IL

EZRA MICHAEL L

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May 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/26/99
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Michael W Haught (mha...@gcfn.org) wrote:

: Diego (die...@mindspring.com) wrote:
: <snip>
: : > Leotis Martin was the fighter that killed Sonny Banks.
: : >
: : If I am not mistaken, Martin also ended the career of Sonny Liston in

: : their fight (and his own career as well [from a detached retina]). Does
: : anyone have Martin's record?

: : > Matt Tegen

: I don't know about his record, but he did KO Liston around 1970. I think
: Liston's jab gave Martin the detatched retina in that fight also.

: I remember the KO of Liston as seeming to come out of nowhere in that
: fight. Really proved how used up Sonny was by that time (at least to my
: young mind).
: --
: -mwh


Well, Liston looked really good in that fight prior to the KO. He
was way ahead on points and although he didn't have Martin down,
he was the aggressor and landed many clean blows. However, the KO
was so vicious that I could understand how someone would think that
Liston was completely used up. Also, the sheer number of blows
landed by Liston that were shrugged off by Martin must have surprised
viewers who were used to the typical Liston one-punch KOs. But, if
you saw Liston-Henry Clarke, you may have been used to the less heavy
handed Liston.

Mike

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