Jews in Boxing
Timo...@webtv.net
http://www.jewhoo.com
Jewhoo.com lists Harry Greb as a Jew. According to the Ring Record Book
Harry Greb was Irish-German. Anyone else have an opinion on this?
Also Ring Record Book lists Max Bear as German-Scotch. Jewhoo.com has
Max and his brother Buddy listed with doubts.
Boxing Jews who are missing from the list are former bantamweight
champion Abe Goldstein, Charley Phil Rosenberg bantam champ, Benny Bass
feather champ, Louis (Kid) Kaplan, feather champ, Al Singer, lightweight
champ,
Barney (Young)Aaron, lightweight champ.
Other notable Jews outside the boxing ring are promoter Bob Arum, Cedric
Kushner, J. Russell Peltz, Don Elbaum, Mickey Duff. Boxers Kenny "Bang
bang" Bogner, lightweight, Sam David, bantam. I'm sure I've missed many
more.
Below are the Jewish boxers listed by http://www.jewhoo.com
Abe "Ape" Simon - Towering boxer who later did some into acting. Appears
in "On the Waterfront".
Abe Attell - Born in San Francisco in 1884. He learned to fight growing
up in an Irish neighborhood. He was featherweight champ for eight years
(1901-08). Overall record was 171-9.
Al "Bummy" Davis - Rough tough middleweight boxer from New York, circa
1948-9.
Barney Ross - World lightweight champ from '33-35; welterweight
'34;'35-38. Grew up in an Orthodox home in Chicago, and his father
opposed him going into the ring--wanted him to be a Hebrew teacher.
After his father's death, Ross became the family's support. He was a war
hero and becamed addicted to morphine for his wounds. Sucessful fight
back from addiction was made into the movie "Monkey On My Back".
Benny Leonard - Lightweight Champ, 1917-23. Retired champ, but came back
years later and lost some fights. A scientific boxer of great skill.
Born Benjamin Leiner. He died while refeering a match. Lifetime: 85-5-1.
Bob Olin - Light-heavyweight champion from 1934-1935. Owned a restaurant
for a short while.
Buddy Baer - Brother of Max Baer. Lost heavyweight title fight to Joe
Louis. Giant in size, he appeared in over a dozen films including "Quo
Vadis".
Cpl Izzy Schwartz - Flyweight Champion 1927-1929.
Dana Rosenblatt - Current super middle weight boxer. 35-1; w/23
knockouts.
Daniel Mendoza - Sephardic Jew who became famous boxing champion of
England in the 18th Century. He did for English Jews what Jackie
Robinson did for blacks two centuries later, gave them pride in a
champion who represented his people.
Harry Greb - Middleweight Champ, 1923-26. Born in Pittsburgh. Beat Gene
Tunney once in a light heavyweight match. Known as a tough, fercious
competitor. Lifetime 105-8-3.
Jackie Berg - Known as Jackie "Kid" Berg. Born Judah Bergman in London.
Jr. Welterweight Champ, 1931. As a marketing ploy, he would wear a
tallis (prayer shawl) into the ring. Madison Square Garden favorite.
Lifetime 157-26-9.
Jill Matthews - Billed as Jill "The Zion Lion" Matthews. One of the top
female professional fighters around today. IFBA and IWBF Junior
Flyweight Champ.
Joe Choyniski - San Francisco based Jewish fighter who went the distance
with Heavyweight Champion Gentleman Jim Corbett (26 rounds) in 1889.
Keith Holmes - Current world Middleweight boxing champion.
Afro-American. Has just joined group of "Black Hebrews" who have been
settled in Dimona, Israel for close to thirty years. Not an orthodox
conversion, by any means. But this group has gained widespread
acceptance in Israel in recent years.
Max Baer - Heavyweight champion 1934-35. Fought w/a Star of David on his
shorts. Always some dispute whether he was really Jewish; or marketing
ploy. Most likely only his grandfather was Jewish. Father of Max Baer,
Jr. who played "Jethro" on "Beverly Hillbillies".
Maxie Rosenbloom - Known as "Slapsie Maxie". Light Heavyweight champion
from 1930-34. Later appeared as comic actor in Hollywood "B" movies.
Mike Rossman - Won WBA Light Heavyweight title in 1978 and wore a Star
of David on his trunks.
Ray Arcel - The trainer of great fighters. Trained 20 world champs
including,Benny Leonard, Roberto Duran and Ezzard Charles. Elected to
the New York Jewish Sports Hall of Fame in 1999. One of 2 trainers to be
elected to the Boxing Hall of Fame.
Ted Lewis - Known as Ted "Kid" Lewis. Welterweight Champ, 1915-16;
1917-1919. Born Gershon Mendelhoff in England. Tough, hard-hitting
fighter from London's East End. Held many British & European titles.
Lifetime: 170-30-14.
Zeb Judah - Black Jew from Brooklyn. Many consider him one of The 5 Best
fighters in the game today. Wears the star of David on his trunks. Both
his parents are Jewish and he attended Hebrew School. Update: We have
been informed that Mr. Judah is a member of a black hebrew group, not a
mainstream Jewish sect grouping. We leave it to the viewer to decide on
his Jewishness.
Angelo Notaro
Rick "dradle ,dradle i made it out clay" CHEEdickowitz,very exiting
fighter in HIS own mind!
Ryan Wissow
Ryan Wissow
ryanki...@webtv.net
http://members.tripod.com/~kid_smooth/
Timo...@webtv.net
Hammer" Tim Puller? I look for Puller to be ranked #1 by the IBO very
soon. After all he's just off a win over 45-year-old James "Quick"
Tillis who weighed in at a sharp and ready 261 pounds after only a three
year layoff.
I also left out Solly Krieger, who was managed by Hymie Caplan. Krieger
was N.B.A. middleweight champ in 1938 and also had a win over Billy
Conn.
And I left out Barney Lebrowitz, better known as Battling Levinsky.
light heavy champ.
I know there have to be many more. Give me some help RSB!!
Timo...@webtv.net
heavyweight Dick Wipperman, commentator Al Bernstein, journalist and
fighter (one pro bout, KO'd in 2) Randy Gordon, HBO's Seth Abraham, Ross
Greenberg, 1920s featherweight Danny Kramer, Harry Lewis (Harry
Besterman), Sid Terris, managers Jimmy Jacobs and Bill Cayton.
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Matt Tegen
Timo...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> I discovered a list of Jewish boxers on the web site
> http://www.jewhoo.com
>
> Jewhoo.com lists Harry Greb as a Jew. According to the Ring Record Book
> Harry Greb was Irish-German. Anyone else have an opinion on this?
>
You are correct, Greb was not Jewish. A few people came up with the
incorrect idea that the last name "Greb" was a reversal of "Berg" a
Jewish last name, that was not true.
> Also Ring Record Book lists Max Bear as German-Scotch. Jewhoo.com has
> Max and his brother Buddy listed with doubts.
>
Legendary trainer Ray Arcel claims he saw Max Baer naked in the shower
and one look at his lower proximities convinced him that Baer was not
Jewish.
Matt Tegen
Matt Tegen
Lew Tendler -- 20's Lightweight contender who almost beat Benny Leonard
Pedro Montanez -- 30's Lightweight contender, Puerto Rican Jew
Ray Miller -- Late 20's Early 30's Lightweight contender, kayoed Jimmy
McLarnin
Sid Terris -- 20's Lightweight contender
Joe Glick -- 20's Lightweight contender
Willie Jackson -- teens and 20's Lighweight contender, iced Johnny
Dundee in one
Charley White -- 20's Lightweight contender, British Jew based in
Chicago
King Levinsky -- 30's Heavyweight contender
Soldier Bartfield -- 20's Welter/Middle Contender
Ruby Goldstein -- Hall of Fame ref and 20's Lightweight contender
Harry Lewis -- Welterweight title claimant 1908
Joey Sangor -- 20's Featherweight contender
Al Kaufmann -- White Hope, fought No-Decision title bout with Jack
Johnson
Dave Rosenberg -- NYSC Middleweight champ 1922
Mushy Callahan -- Jr. Welterweight champ, later consulted on boxing
films
Jackie Fields -- Two time Welter champ out of L.A.
Benny Bass -- "Little Fish" Feather and JR. Light champ
Lew Feldman -- 30's Feather contender
Matt Tegen
Chris Tsao
Chris Tsao
posted this to harass or because he's prejudice, that is a non issue
because it's not a TOS violation to post a list of Jewish boxers.
BoxFanatic
They used to say he could go 15 rounds and not have his hair messed up.
I believe RSB's favorite fighter Dana Rosenblatt is a member of the Tribe as
well
Timo...@webtv.net
Showtime's boxing director is a Jew.
Timo...@webtv.net
have ever posted.
Mike Haught
fight...@aol.com (FightFan50) said:
<snip>
>i could've sworn "Jethro's" father was buddy baer, and that max baer was his
>uncle.
Is this very subtle sarcasm? ;-)
I think the reason he was named Max Baer Jr. is that Max Baer Sr. was
his father.
-mwh
Ryan Wissow
Legendary trainer Ray Arcel claims he saw Max Baer naked in the shower
and one look at his lower proximities convinced him that Baer was not
Jewish.
Matt Tegen
=What the hell does THAT mean? That us Jews have big dicks, or not?=
O Gee
OG
FightFan50
>Date: Fri, 12 November 1999 10:34 PM EST
>Message-id: <14679-38...@storefull-135.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
>Max Baer - Heavyweight champion 1934-35. Fought w/a Star of David on his
>shorts. Always some dispute whether he was really Jewish; or marketing
>ploy. Most likely only his grandfather was Jewish. Father of Max Baer,
>Jr. who played "Jethro" on "Beverly Hillbillies".
d...@cheetah.net
Max Baer, Jr., played Jethro
on the Beverly Hillbillies.
DCI
FightFan50
>Date: Sat, 13 November 1999 11:09 PM EST
>Message-id: <19373-38...@storefull-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
it means that jews are known to have small penises (or is the plural form
penii?)
GOU RONINŽ
>You've lost me Ronin. This is the most positive, pro Jewish post I've
>have ever posted.
Leave it elsewhere. Either way, pro or con.
COBALT1914
ohg...@webtv.net (O Gee) writes for some stupid reason:
>Isn't Don King also a Jewish?<
I dont think so. What difference does it make?
Brian Davis
Riverdale, IL
Timo...@webtv.net
Isn't Don King also a Jewish?
Answer:
At one time Don King was considering becoming "a Jewish". However,
because of his "electric" hair he was unable to fit a yarmulke on his
head. :)
Matt Tegen
Ryan Wissow wrote:
>
>
> Legendary trainer Ray Arcel claims he saw Max Baer naked in the shower
> and one look at his lower proximities convinced him that Baer was not
> Jewish.
> Matt Tegen
>
> =What the hell does THAT mean? That us Jews have big dicks, or not?=
>
> Ryan Wissow
Most children born before World War II in the US did not have their
dicks curcumcised, after World War II and a number of soldiers over in
Europe getting infections, it became a popular trend. Jews on the other
hand, per tradition curcumcised their dicks. Baer's dick wasn't
circumcised, hence Arcel's comment.
Matt Tegen
Timo...@webtv.net
are a Canadian and are not accustomed to the same freedom of speech that
we have here in the U.S.
"Take the people of Canada, for example. They really are not very
different from the people of the United States -- except perhaps just a
shade more authoritarian in personality on the average. When our
ancestors down here told King George III to go to hell, that we weren't
going to pay his taxes any longer, the ancestors of the Canadians kept
their mouths shut and continued paying their taxes. As a result they
never really had the sort of iron-bound guarantees of freedom of speech
and freedom of the press that people in the United States have had. But
they always assumed that they had those freedoms anyway. If you ask the
average Canadian today whether or not he is free to say what he wants
and read what he wants, he'll tell you, "Of course!" And he'll believe
it."
- Dr. William L. Pierce
http://www.natall.com/free-speech/fs991.c.html
Timo...@webtv.net
GOU RONINŽ
>I'm really sorry that I offended you Ronin. I must remember that you
>are a Canadian and are not accustomed to the same freedom of speech that
>we have here in the U.S.
Tht's right bubbles. I only wish we had the Macarthy era you
had. Let's label everyone communists until proven otherwise!
>"Take the people of Canada, for example. They really are not very
>different from the people of the United States -- except perhaps just a
>shade more authoritarian in personality on the average. When our
>ancestors down here told King George III to go to hell, that we weren't
>going to pay his taxes any longer, the ancestors of the Canadians kept
>their mouths shut and continued paying their taxes. As a result they
>never really had the sort of iron-bound guarantees of freedom of speech
>and freedom of the press that people in the United States have had. But
>they always assumed that they had those freedoms anyway. If you ask the
>average Canadian today whether or not he is free to say what he wants
>and read what he wants, he'll tell you, "Of course!" And he'll believe
>it."
Right, let's talk about Macarthy's era of terrorism, let's
talk about slave ownership and where the underground railroad went to.
Where did all your draft dodgers run to?
Your country is no more tolerant, oppresive, or liberated than
most other countries you egocentric smuck.
Timo...@webtv.net
Timo...@webtv.net
>>Right, let's talk about Macarthy's era of terrorism, let's talk about
slave ownership and where the underground railroad went to. Where did
all your draft dodgers run to?
Your country is no more tolerant, oppresive, or liberated than most
other countries you egocentric smuck.>>
Wow Ronin! The Jews and liberals have really got you completely!
Senator McCarthy was a good guy. He went after the communists like a
good patriot. The reason he is demonized by the Jewish media is that
although he was not really an "anti-semite", his investigations brought
to the American public's attention that most of the communists were
Jews.
As far as our draft dodgers and freed slaves are concerned, I wish
Canada had kept them all.
But Ronin you've gotten us way off topic here boy. This is a boxing
newsgroup. You just were too over anxious to display your political
correctness.
This thread is about Jews in boxing.
Notice Matt Teagan, who is Jewish, contributed on-topic to this thread.
Thanks again Matt for your contributions.
http://www.natall.com/free-speech/fs991c.html
Timo...@webtv.net
Tom Grassia
> > Also Ring Record Book lists Max Bear as German-Scotch. Jewhoo.com has
> > Max and his brother Buddy listed with doubts.
> >
> Legendary trainer Ray Arcel claims he saw Max Baer naked in the shower
> and one look at his lower proximities convinced him that Baer was not
> Jewish.
I can't for the life of me picture Hitler getting so behind Baer, if there
were doubts abou this religion or ethinicity.
Regards,
O4 Tom
Tom Grassia
> i could've sworn "Jethro's" father was buddy baer, and that max baer was his
> uncle.
Are you thinking of Uncle Jed, who was Buddy Ebsen?
Regards,
O4 Tom
Tom Grassia
Please ignore this. For some reason, I kept seeing Max Schmelling's name
instead of Max Baer. I need to sleep more and let this flu pass, I guess.
Regards,
O4 Tom
GOU RONINŽ
>Wow Ronin! The Jews and liberals have really got you completely!
If only you knew the truth...