WBA Rankings: Oscar #1
boymayo.at.boxingchronicle.com
Does this mean that if Page doesn't fight Tito, then DelaHoya will force a
fight with him, setting up a clash for all three belts with Trinidad?
Very interesting stuff.....the ratings follow...
.....BoyMayo
WBA Rankings
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - The World Boxing Association rankings through
September 1999 (Americans unless otherwise noted):
Heavyweight (over 190 pounds)
Champion: Evander Holyfield
1, Henry Akinwande, Great Britain. 2, John Ruiz. 3, Larry Donald. 4, Oleg
Maskaev, Ukraine. 5, Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine. 6, Michael Grant. 7, Kirk
Johnson, Canada. 8, David Tua, New Zealand. 9, Derrick Jefferson. 10, Dick
Ryan.
Cruiserweight (190 pounds)
Champion: Fabrice Tiozzo, France
1, Saul Montana, Mexico. 2, Virgil Hill. 3. Valery Vihkor, Latvia. 4, Akim
Tafer, France. 5, Alexander Gurov, Ukraine. 6, Imamu Mayfield. 7, Aleksey
Ilyin, Russia. 8, Alex Gonzalez, Puerto Rico. 9, Andre Purlett, Guyana. 10, Ken
Murphy.
Light Heavyweight (175 pounds)
Champion: Roy Jones
1, Richard Hall. 2, David Telesco. 3, Louis Del Valle. 4, Eric Hardin. 5,
Derrick Harmon. 6, Glenn Kelly, Australia. 7, Timo Masua, New Zealand. 8,
Michael Nunn. 9, Jorge Castro, Argentina. 10, Billy Lewis.
Super Middleweight (168 pounds)
Champion: Byron Mitchell
1, Bruno Girard, France. 2, Frank Liles. 3, Craig Cummings. 4, Mario Viet,
Germany. 5, Eric Lucas, Canada. 6, David Starie, Great Britain. 7, Manuel
Siaca, Puerto Rico. 8, Thomas Tate. 9, Frederic Alvarez, France. 10, Zaffarov
Ballogou, Kenya.
Middleweight (160 pounds)
Champion: William Joppy
1, Rito Ruvalcaba, Mexico. 2, Antwun Echols. 3, Ronald Wright. 4, Howard
Eastman, Great Britain. 5, Robert McCraken, Great Britain. 6, Darren Obah,
Austria. 7, Julio C. Green, Dominican Republic. 8, Ramon Moyano, Argentina. 9,
Dana Rosemblatt. 10, Dave Hilton, Canada.
Super Welterweight (154 pounds)
Champion: David Reid
1, Mamadou Thiam, France. 2, Laurent Bouduani, France. 3, Kevin Kelly,
Australia. 4, Jose Luis Lopez, Mexico. 5, Jose Flores, Mexico. 6, Javier
Castillo, Panama. 7, Rodney Jones. 8, Raul Frank, Guyana. 9, Roman Karmazin,
Russia. 10, Anthony Jones.
Welterweight (147 pounds)
Champion: James Page
1, Oscar de la Hoya, Mexico. 2, Andrew Lewis, Guyana. 3, Michael Trabant,
Germany. 4, Shannan Taylor, New Zealand. 5, Andrey Pestrayev, Russia. 6, Vernon
Forrest. 7, Ike Quartey, Ghana. 8, Obah Carr. 9, Carlos Baldomir, Argentina.
10, Nicolas Cervera, Colombia.
Super Lightweight (140 pounds)
Champion: Sharmba Mitchel
1, Vacant. 2, Thomas Damgaard, Denmark. 3, Elio Ortiz, Venezuela. 4, Hector
Camacho Jr., Puerto Rico. 5, Laurence Ngobeni, South Africa. 6, Junichi Ono,
Japan. 7, Reggie Green. 8, Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Mexico. 9, Freddy Pendleton.
10, Gabriel Mapuoka, France.
Lightweight (135 pounds)
Champion: Stefano Zoff, Italy
1, Gilbert Serrano, Venezuela. 2, Alberto Sicurella, Argentina. 3, Rick
Yoshimura, Japan. 4, Billy Schwer, Great Britain. 5, Djamel Lifa, France. 6,
Jean Baptist Mendy, France. 7, Julien Lorcy, France. 8, Golden Johnson. 9,
Israel Cardona, Puerto Rico. 10, Miguel Callist, Panama.
Super Featherweight (130 pounds)
Champion: Lakva Sim, Mongolia
1, Joel Casamayor, Cuba. 2, Yong-soo choi, South Korea. 3, Yodsanan Nanthachai,
Thailand. 4, Derrick Gainer. 5, Diego Corrales. 6, Dennis Holbaek, Denmark. 7,
Edson Xuxa Nacimiento, Brazil. 8, Takanory Hatakeyama, Japan. 9, Tontcho
Tontchev, Bulgaria. 10, John Kwon Baek, South Korea.
Featherweight (126 pounds)
Champion: Freddy Norwood
1. Antonio Cermeno, Venezuela. 2, Julio Pablo Chacon, Argentina. 3, Richard
Carrillo, Venezuela. 4, Victor Polo, Colombia. 5, Frederic Perez, France. 6,
Luisito Espinosa, Philippines. 7, Angel Vazquez, Puerto Rico. 8, Istvan Kovacs,
Hungry. 9, Juan Marquez, Mexico. 10, Lewin Woods.
Super Bantamweight (122 pounds)
Champion: Nestor Garza, Mexico
1, Yobert Ortega, Venezuela. 2, Bugiarso, Indonesia. 3, Enrique Sanchez,
Mexico. 4, Carlos Barreto, Venezuela. 5, Vladislav Antonov, Russia. 6, Michael
Brodie, Great Britain. 7, John Michael Johnson. 8, Guty Espadas, Mexico. 9,
Nicolas Emeret, Russia. 10, Jose Luis Valbuena, Venezuela.
Bantamweight (118 pounds)
Champion: Paulie Ayala
1, Saohin Srithai Condo, Thailand. 2, Nana Konadu, Ghana. 3, Adan Vargas,
Mexico. 4, Johnny Tapia. 5, Johnny Bredahl, Denmark. 6, Danny Romero. 7,
Cuautemoc Gomez, Mexico. 8, Toshiaki Nishioka, Japan. 9, Rafael Marquez,
Mexico. 10, Hugo Dianzo, Mexico.
Super Flyweight (115 pounds)
Champion: Hideki Todaka, Japan
1, Yokthai Sith Oar, Thailand. 2, San S. Ploenchit, Thailand. 3, Eric Morel,
Puerto Rico. 4, Jesus Rojas, Venezuela. 5, Akihiko Nago, Japan. 6, Edison
Torres, Venezuela. 7, Felix Machado, Venezuela. 8, Jesper Jensen, Denmark. 9,
Dario Azuaga, Paraguay. 10, Luis Bolanos, Colombia.
Flyweight (112 pounds)
Champion: Sornpinchai Kratchingdaeng, Thailand
1, Vacant. 2, Jose Bonilla, Venezuela. 3, Gilberto Gonzalez, Venezuela. 4, Leo
Gamez, Venezuela. 5, Denkaosaen Kaowitch, Thailand. 6, Jose Lopez, Venezuela.
7, David Gerault, France. 8, Panieng Okuda, Thailand. 9, Hugo Soto, Argentina.
10, Gabriel Munoz, Mexico.
Light Flyweight (108 pounds)
Champion: Pitchinoi C. Siriwat, Thailand
1, Rosendo Alvarez, Nicaragua. 2, Hidenobu Honda, Japan. 3, Melchor Cob Castro,
Mexico. 4, Ponsaklek Nakornton, Thailand. 5, Nelson Dieppa, Dominican Republic.
6, Yura Dima, Mongolia. 7, Jose Sanjuanelo, Colombia. 8, Jake Matlala, South
Africa. 9, Jorge Arce, Mexico. 10, Yosam Choi, South Korea.
Mini Flyweight (105 pounds)
Champion: Ricardo Lopez, Mexico
1, Jose Garcia, Colombia. 2, Hurracain Chulun, Indonesia. 3, Noel Aranbulet,
Venezuela. 4, Songkram Porpaoin, Thailand. 5, Joma Gamboa, Philippines. 6,
Satoru Abe, Japan. 7, Chana Porpaoin, Thailand. 8, Daniel Reyes, Colombia. 9,
Udomdet Porpaoin, Thailand. 10, Hiroshi Matsumoto, Japan.
RPP
(boymayo.at.boxingchronicle.com) wrote:
>Heavyweight (over 190 pounds)
>
>Champion: Evander Holyfield
>
>1, Henry Akinwande, Great Britain. 2, John Ruiz. 3, Larry Donald. 4, Oleg
>Maskaev, Ukraine. 5, Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine. 6, Michael Grant. 7, Kirk
>Johnson, Canada. 8, David Tua, New Zealand. 9, Derrick Jefferson. 10, Dick
>Ryan.
Looking at these rankings, how can ANYONE take them seriously? These
organizations are as crooked as a mountain road. Where is Golota?
Lewis? Ibeabuchi? Are we to seriously believe WBA values Maskaev,
Klitchko, Dick Ryan, Kirk Johnson more?????
>
>Light Heavyweight (175 pounds)
>
>Champion: Roy Jones
>
>1, Richard Hall. 2, David Telesco. 3, Louis Del Valle. 4, Eric Hardin. 5,
>Derrick Harmon. 6, Glenn Kelly, Australia. 7, Timo Masua, New Zealand. 8,
>Michael Nunn. 9, Jorge Castro, Argentina. 10, Billy Lewis.
>
No Michalczewski? But total nobodies like Telesco or Del Valle in top
5??????
>
>Welterweight (147 pounds)
>
>Champion: James Page
>
>1, Oscar de la Hoya, Mexico. 2, Andrew Lewis, Guyana. 3, Michael Trabant,
>Germany. 4, Shannan Taylor, New Zealand. 5, Andrey Pestrayev, Russia. 6, Vernon
>Forrest. 7, Ike Quartey, Ghana. 8, Obah Carr. 9, Carlos Baldomir, Argentina.
>10, Nicolas Cervera, Colombia.
>
ODLH #1????? Bullshit.
CRGTMC
>From: le...@name.netinc.ca (RPP)
>Date: Sun, 10 October 1999 02:06 AM EDT
>Message-id: <38002c11....@news.netinc.ca>
>
>On 10 Oct 1999 02:08:26 GMT, boy...@aol.comxspamx
>(boymayo.at.boxingchronicle.com) wrote:
>
>>Heavyweight (over 190 pounds)
>>
>>Champion: Evander Holyfield
>>
>>1, Henry Akinwande, Great Britain. 2, John Ruiz. 3, Larry Donald. 4, Oleg
>>Maskaev, Ukraine. 5, Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine. 6, Michael Grant. 7, Kirk
>>Johnson, Canada. 8, David Tua, New Zealand. 9, Derrick Jefferson. 10, Dick
>>Ryan.
>
>Looking at these rankings, how can ANYONE take them seriously? These
>organizations are as crooked as a mountain road. Where is Golota?
>Lewis? Ibeabuchi? Are we to seriously believe WBA values Maskaev,
>Klitchko, Dick Ryan, Kirk Johnson more?????
Lewis is the WBC champ. The other organizations never rate the other champs.
Ibeabuchi most likely going to prison. Golotas qualifications arent much
better than Klitschko.
Both the Klitschko brothers are make some serious waves in the hvy wght div.
Ryans place is purely based on his win over Nielson. Maskaev has been chalking
up decent wins since his loss to Tua. Johnsons a prospect who seems to be
overrated by many including the WBA
>
>>
>>Light Heavyweight (175 pounds)
>>
>>Champion: Roy Jones
>>
>>1, Richard Hall. 2, David Telesco. 3, Louis Del Valle. 4, Eric Hardin. 5,
>>Derrick Harmon. 6, Glenn Kelly, Australia. 7, Timo Masua, New Zealand. 8,
>>Michael Nunn. 9, Jorge Castro, Argentina. 10, Billy Lewis.
>>
>
>No Michalczewski? But total nobodies like Telesco or Del Valle in top
>5??????
>
Michalczewski isnt going to be rated while he holds onto the WBO belt. Telesco
is a solid prospect and deserves a top ten spot. Del Valle is a former champ
and also deserves a top ten spot.
>>
>>Welterweight (147 pounds)
>>
>>Champion: James Page
>>
>>1, Oscar de la Hoya, Mexico. 2, Andrew Lewis, Guyana. 3, Michael Trabant,
>>Germany. 4, Shannan Taylor, New Zealand. 5, Andrey Pestrayev, Russia. 6,
>Vernon
>>Forrest. 7, Ike Quartey, Ghana. 8, Obah Carr. 9, Carlos Baldomir, Argentina.
>>10, Nicolas Cervera, Colombia.
>>
>
>ODLH #1????? Bullshit.
>
ODLH is a former wltr wght champ who despite not being one of my favorites has
done enough to desreve a #1 ranking.
The organizations ratings are often full of garbage but I dont think you
pointed much of that with your post. Personally, I have more of a problem with
Vernon Forrest and Ike Quartey all the way down at 6 & 7.
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Diego
>
> On 10 Oct 1999 02:08:26 GMT, boy...@aol.comxspamx
> (boymayo.at.boxingchronicle.com) wrote:
>
> >
> >Champion: Evander Holyfield
> >
> >1, Henry Akinwande, Great Britain. 2, John Ruiz. 3, Larry Donald. 4, Oleg
> >Maskaev, Ukraine. 5, Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine. 6, Michael Grant. 7, Kirk
> >Johnson, Canada. 8, David Tua, New Zealand. 9, Derrick Jefferson. 10, Dick
> >Ryan.
>
> organizations are as crooked as a mountain road. Where is Golota?
> Lewis? Ibeabuchi? Are we to seriously believe WBA values Maskaev,
> Klitchko, Dick Ryan, Kirk Johnson more?????
>
are. However, do keep in mind that I am explaining this from the WBA's
perspective. First off, we all know that Henry is #1 because he won
that title eliminator over Orlin Norris (which was in fact
court-ordered). Ruiz is with Don King, he has the WBA-NA title, and he
beat WBA #9 Jerry Ballard (who was vastly overrated). Donald is a
legitimate top 10 contender, but he should be near the bottom and not
the top, seeing that he's only fought five times in the last two years
against tame oppostion. Maskaev is the PABA champ (sponsored by the
WBA), Klitschko is WBA-Int champ (and he'll most likely go up next month
because of his win over Schultz), and Ryan because he got a win over
Brian Nielsen. However, I don't see their logic in putting Derrick
Jefferson in there as of now.
> >
> >Light Heavyweight (175 pounds)
> >
> >Champion: Roy Jones
> >
> >1, Richard Hall. 2, David Telesco. 3, Louis Del Valle. 4, Eric Hardin. 5,
> >Derrick Harmon. 6, Glenn Kelly, Australia. 7, Timo Masua, New Zealand. 8,
> >Michael Nunn. 9, Jorge Castro, Argentina. 10, Billy Lewis.
> >
>
> No Michalczewski? But total nobodies like Telesco or Del Valle in top
> 5??????
>
The WBA doesn't rate champs of the IBF, WBC, or WBO. Telesco and Del
Valle are legitimate contenders and they are the most deserving of this
list, with the possible exception of Michael Nunn. Wasn't Richard Hall
the (grossly undeserving) interim champ? And where is Greg Wright, who
beat both Harmon and Glenn Robinson recently.
> >
> >Welterweight (147 pounds)
> >
> >Champion: James Page
> >
> >1, Oscar de la Hoya, Mexico. 2, Andrew Lewis, Guyana. 3, Michael Trabant,
> >Germany. 4, Shannan Taylor, New Zealand. 5, Andrey Pestrayev, Russia. 6, Vernon
> >Forrest. 7, Ike Quartey, Ghana. 8, Obah Carr. 9, Carlos Baldomir, Argentina.
> >10, Nicolas Cervera, Colombia.
> >
>
> ODLH #1????? Bullshit.
>
Why?? Most people thought he won the fight with Trinidad, and,
nonetheless, he's still at the very least (some think Quartey's better)
the third best welter. What I want to know is why Ike Quartey is #7.
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Gregory Gliedman
Diego wrote:
> RPP wrote:
> >
> > On 10 Oct 1999 02:08:26 GMT, boy...@aol.comxspamx
> > (boymayo.at.boxingchronicle.com) wrote:
> >
> > >Heavyweight (over 190 pounds)
> > >
> > >Champion: Evander Holyfield
> > >
> > >1, Henry Akinwande, Great Britain. 2, John Ruiz. 3, Larry Donald. 4, Oleg
> > >Maskaev, Ukraine. 5, Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine. 6, Michael Grant. 7, Kirk
> > >Johnson, Canada. 8, David Tua, New Zealand. 9, Derrick Jefferson. 10, Dick
> > >Ryan.
> >
> > Looking at these rankings, how can ANYONE take them seriously? These
> > organizations are as crooked as a mountain road. Where is Golota?
> > Lewis? Ibeabuchi? Are we to seriously believe WBA values Maskaev,
> > Klitchko, Dick Ryan, Kirk Johnson more?????
> >
> Yes, they are bad, but I can explain why these rankings are the way they
> are.
Youe explanations are dead on, with a caveat.
A lot of these guys have belts because they own one of the WBA's several regional
titles. Maskaev, Ruiz, and Klitschko owe at least part of their rankings to that.
But they all got their belts in setups with chumps for vacant titles.
Klitschko won his "title" by beating Joseph Chingangu (14-5). Chingangu's great
achievement was a distance loss against Julius Francis. To get in the top ten, and
pass Golota and Ibeabuchi, Klitschko stopped Tony La Rosa.
Oleg Maskaev won his (I believe vacant) "title" with a win over Toakipa Tasefa, a
20-1-2 fighter who the WBA didn't rank in their top ten. Since then, Maskaev risen in
the rankings after every mediocre defense.
Ruiz won the vacant WBANA title via a 4th round stoppage of Jerry Ballard. This was
the fight that put him at the obscenely high rank he is now, but he was already
floating around #5 in both the WBA and WBC before this fight. My only guess as to why
he was there was his NABF title, taken from James Thunder.
I know you aren't defending the WBA. But IMO awarding guys relatively easy fights for
vacant regional titles - ocassionally made up on the spot - is the new way to fix
rankings in the wake of "public disclosure" rules like those found in the McCain
bill. Especially since you can give these belts up and retain your high ranking (see
John Ruiz's discarding of the NABF title when he became the WBC's mandatory).
The presence of belts doesn't do anything to disguise the fact that these guys are
being handed rankings.
BTW, Golota is at #11.
Matt Tegen
> > On 10 Oct 1999 02:08:26 GMT, boy...@aol.comxspamx
> > (boymayo.at.boxingchronicle.com) wrote:
>
> > >Welterweight (147 pounds)
> > >
> > >Champion: James Page
> > >
> > >1, Oscar de la Hoya, Mexico.
I heard DLH might be done with Vegas, but for him to pull a Marvin
Hagler and move to another country is a shame. ;-)
Matt Tegen