Chris Byrd vs Mike Tyson???
Aristo
Tyson by KO in 5
<ozzy_a...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> With Chris Byrd now winning the WBO Heavyweight Title, he has the
> possiblity to make a mega-payday since his WBO No#1 contender and
> mandatory challenger is Mike Tyson. Byrd-Tyson is a match which
> intrigues me. The Heavyweight division's purest boxer vs the
> heavyweight division's purest puncher. It's one of those Styles makes
> fights type matches. But, who's style dominates over who? Does Tyson
> overwhelm the light hitting Byrd? Or does Byrd use his elusiveness to
> outbox and frustrate Tyson? I haven't the slightest clue. But, I liked
> to see it. I don't know if Byrd-Tyson would be a compelling match, but
> I know one thing. The heated exchanges between Furrygoat and Coleman on
> the RSB would make Tyson-Byrd all the worthwhile. I make Byrd vs Tyson
> an even pick'em match. And I make Furrygoat a 3-1 favorite over
> Coleman. :-)
>
> Ozzy
>
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DoomBloom
overwhelm the light hitting Byrd? Or does Byrd use his elusiveness to
outbox and frustrate Tyson? >>
you are high, the level of frustration on Mike's part would simply end with a
severe locker room beating after the fight for Chris Byrd. I don't believe
matching the mentally ill with that greased weasel is good for boxing. Be fun
to watch though....
Roastsods
>severe locker room beating after the fight for Chris Byrd. I don't believe
>matching the mentally ill with that greased weasel is good for boxing. Be fun
>to watch though....
>
Get real. Byrd needs to throw punches to win. Tyson would beat him handily.
-Chuck.
boymayo.at.boxingchronicle.com
out there....
...but I think he'd have a field day with Chris Byrd.
Tyson would bang Chris' bdoy and catch him in close. Byrd has absolutely
nothing on his punches to make Tyson think twice about bull rushing him.
.....BoyMayo
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Rikkitavi
I agree, Tyson is done. But, he would take out Byrd with relative ease.
It's kind of funny...I would pick Lewis, Grant or Holyfield to beat Tyson,
but Tyson is the only one I'd be 100% sure would KO Byrd. Never has the
saying "Styles make Fights" been more applicable than to a Tyson destruction
of Byrd.
RikkiTavi
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he had too much foot movement. If THAT is true, then Byrd's upper body
movement would drive him crazy! Mike is not nearly as skilled with his
punches as he was in his glory days, and he would be frustrated BIG time
against the defensive minded Byrd.
Roastsods
The fact remains that Byrd has no offense. Tyson has a hell of a chin. He would
get many chances to KO Byrd. Let him dance and move all he wants to...Tyson KO
inside of 4 or 5 rounds.
-Chuck.
DoomBloom
>>
hay brainiac, what are you talking about...I don't remember saying that Byrd
could even consider winning a fight against Tyson...
lordsh...@my-deja.com
before the fight went 2.
In article <20000402121710...@ng-ca1.aol.com>,
Roastsods
>clocking Byrd and sending him south to the canvas.
>
>
>trevh
Tyson's speed is something that is overlooked by most these days. He's still
one of the fastest HWs out there. If Tyson continues to fight the way he did
his last time out (or the way he did when he was younger) he still has a lot of
potential to be dangerous.
-Chuck.
trevh
kiwi
> With Chris Byrd now winning the WBO Heavyweight Title, he has the
> possiblity to make a mega-payday since his WBO No#1 contender and
> mandatory challenger is Mike Tyson. Byrd-Tyson is a match which
> intrigues me. The Heavyweight division's purest boxer vs the
> heavyweight division's purest puncher.
Purest boxer, don't make us laugh. Byrd is a fraud,
pure and simple. He has a tendency to back up against
the ropes when faced with competition; Tyson would
crush him. If a Ukrainian robot can beat Byrd, then
certainly whatever is left of Tyson's skills would beat
him like a drum.
kiwi
> I am of the belief that Mike Tyson can't beat anyone most of the heavyweights
> out there....
>
> ...but I think he'd have a field day with Chris Byrd.
>
> Tyson would bang Chris' bdoy and catch him in close. Byrd has absolutely
> nothing on his punches to make Tyson think twice about bull rushing him.
Especially with Byrd's tendency to back up against the
ropes when he's being pressured. Tyson could just bang
on him; even without a huge punch landing flush, the
accumulation would destroy Byrd in a few rounds.
DM...@webtv.net
YENDOR3
certainly whatever is left of Tyson's skills would beat
him like a drum.>>
SDonat2313
sloppy at times, but the power of Tyson will simply be too much for the
powerless Heavyweight. To beat Tyson, you must have decent power. Byrd hits
like a girl, and that is when Tyson can you make you his Bitch!!!!!!
Scar TKO
Dman4673
5 rounds before he could hit a fat slow white guy like Botha who doesn't do
anything but come straight at you and even then he was only able to do so when
Botha lowered hands his hands and got careless.
The conventional wisdom on this group seems to be that Tyson "Well Tyson is
strong and eventually he will land a really good punch and since Tyson's best
punch would knock out anyone it therefore follows that he would knock Byrd
out." I have no doubt that Tyson could knock Holyfield's block off if he could
catch him with a clean and flush shot but that never happened in either of
their two fights because Holyfield was to skilled a boxer to ever allow Tyson
to be in a position to do so.
Every time a fighter has stood up to Tyson and refused to be intimidated they
have won (Bothat being the only exception abd even then he was winning handily
up to that point). I don't believe Byrd would be intimidated by Tyson.
I think the most likely result if they ever fought would be that Tyson would
come out early throwing wild haymakers and sweeping punches trying to take Byrd
out with one shot while Byrd would be ducking and weaving and land his usual
pitty pat punches winning round after round. As the fight wore on Tyson would
use every dirty trick in the book to the point of beiing on the verge of
disqualification. At the end of the fight he would lose a unanimous
decision (assuming the judges are honest) after having several points deducted
for fouls. Chris Byrd would retain his WBO belt and Tyson's career would be in
shambles as the public finally realizes what many boxing fans have known for a
long time that he is nothing but a washed up fighter with a big punch and
nothing more.
soulas...@my-deja.com
> The conventional wisdom on this group seems to be that Tyson "Well
Tyson is
> strong and eventually he will land a really good punch and since
Tyson's best
> punch would knock out anyone it therefore follows that he would knock
Byrd
> out." I have no doubt that Tyson could knock Holyfield's block off
if he could
> catch him with a clean and flush shot but that never happened in
either of
> their two fights because Holyfield was to skilled a boxer to ever
allow Tyson
> to be in a position to do so.
>
I saw Tyson land hard shots on Holyfield. I credit Holyfield's boxing
skill and his well known toughness, chin, heart, etc. for beating
Tyson.
> Every time a fighter has stood up to Tyson and refused to be
intimidated they
> have won (Bothat being the only exception abd even then he was
winning handily
> up to that point). I don't believe Byrd would be intimidated by
Tyson.
>
They had to be more than not intimidated. They had to stand inside with
Mike Tyson and both land AND take punches. Botha took Tyson's punches
very well until one right hand caught him and knocked him out hard.
Other fighters have not been intimidated against him and still lost.
Then there is the fact that his power can intimidate when he lands
punches in the ring not just before the fight. To say he beat everyone
by intimidating them is just nonsense. He has skill and natural gifts
that made him a great fighter.
> I think the most likely result if they ever fought would be that
Tyson would
> come out early throwing wild haymakers and sweeping punches trying to
take Byrd
> out with one shot while Byrd would be ducking and weaving and land
his usual
> pitty pat punches winning round after round. As the fight wore on
Tyson would
> use every dirty trick in the book to the point of beiing on the verge
of
> disqualification. At the end of the fight he would lose a
unanimous
> decision (assuming the judges are honest) after having several points
deducted
> for fouls. Chris Byrd would retain his WBO belt and Tyson's career
would be in
> shambles as the public finally realizes what many boxing fans have
known for a
> long time that he is nothing but a washed up fighter with a big punch
and
> nothing more.
>
This is a possible scenario although another small defensive
heavyweight with no punch and who wasn't intimidated fought Tyson. He
made Tyson look bad by making him miss yet his counter punches were not
having any serious effect. It was Buster Mathis Jr. and in the third
round Tyson found him and Mathis went down and did not get up.
Brian Clifton
aheado n the scorecards.. at least according to logic that some people use
here on this NG..
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Dman4673 wrote in message <20000405010635...@ng-fs1.aol.com>...
>How the hell would Tyson ever hit Byrd with any meaningful shots. It took
him
>5 rounds before he could hit a fat slow white guy like Botha who doesn't do
>anything but come straight at you and even then he was only able to do so
when
>Botha lowered hands his hands and got careless.
>
>The conventional wisdom on this group seems to be that Tyson "Well Tyson is
>strong and eventually he will land a really good punch and since Tyson's
best
>punch would knock out anyone it therefore follows that he would knock Byrd
>out." I have no doubt that Tyson could knock Holyfield's block off if he
could
>catch him with a clean and flush shot but that never happened in either of
>their two fights because Holyfield was to skilled a boxer to ever allow
Tyson
>to be in a position to do so.
>
>Every time a fighter has stood up to Tyson and refused to be intimidated
they
>have won (Bothat being the only exception abd even then he was winning
handily
>up to that point). I don't believe Byrd would be intimidated by Tyson.
>
mwhaught
wrote:
> Yeah, but Tyson didnt really win the fight against Botha because Botha was
> aheado n the scorecards.. at least according to logic that some people use
> here on this NG..
>
behind win by KO is a huge part of boxing lore and legend. A come from
behind win when your opponent retires due to injury after mounting a
virtually insurmountable lead on the scorecards has not been a plot for
a boxing movie AFAIK.
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should have recieved a KO when Chavez didnt come out of his corner?? VK was
KOed by a punch to the shoulder, its really that simple.
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mwhaught
the ODLH/Chavez fight into any of your favorite boxing flicks and the
box office would not be affected. If you insert the fight scenes from
VK/Byrd into a boxing flick and the climaactic ending will not have
"Gonna Fly Now" playing in the background.
What I am saying is most people will observe punishment inflicted on
the opponent in a classical boxing sense as being normal. I have seen
fights stopped due to various injuries such as; rotator cuff, sprained
ankle, torn knee ligaments, herniated disc, dislocated shoulder and
dislocated elbow. These are injuries not usually incurred in a boxing
match and consider as a "freak injury" when suffered in the ring.
-mwh
On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:00:49 -0400 "Brian Clifton" <bscl...@yahoo.com>
Brian Clifton
win?? Its good thing I watch boxing for more than the blood... You must
think every fight is a snooze fest...
All I am saying mwh, is that is doesnt have to be dramatic to be a quality
win.. I wouldnt put a second of either Lewis/Holyfield fight in a flight
flick, but that doesnt mean those were not good quality wins for Lewis...
Dman4673
>Tyson is
>> strong and eventually he will land a really good punch and since
>Tyson's best
>> punch would knock out anyone it therefore follows that he would knock
>Byrd
>> out." I have no doubt that Tyson could knock Holyfield's block off
>if he could
>> catch him with a clean and flush shot but that never happened in
>either of
>> their two fights because Holyfield was to skilled a boxer to ever
>allow Tyson
>> to be in a position to do so.
>>
>
>skill and his well known toughness, chin, heart, etc. for beating
>Tyson.
>
>intimidated they
>> have won (Bothat being the only exception abd even then he was
>winning handily
>> up to that point). I don't believe Byrd would be intimidated by
>Tyson.
>>
>
>Mike Tyson and both land AND take punches. Botha took Tyson's punches
>very well until one right hand caught him and knocked him out hard.
>Other fighters have not been intimidated against him and still lost.
>Then there is the fact that his power can intimidate when he lands
>punches in the ring not just before the fight. To say he beat everyone
>by intimidating them is just nonsense. He has skill and natural gifts
>that made him a great fighter.
>
>Tyson would
>> come out early throwing wild haymakers and sweeping punches trying to
>take Byrd
>> out with one shot while Byrd would be ducking and weaving and land
>his usual
>> pitty pat punches winning round after round. As the fight wore on
>Tyson would
>> use every dirty trick in the book to the point of beiing on the verge
>of
>> disqualification. At the end of the fight he would lose a
>unanimous
>> decision (assuming the judges are honest) after having several points
>deducted
>> for fouls. Chris Byrd would retain his WBO belt and Tyson's career
>would be in
>> shambles as the public finally realizes what many boxing fans have
>known for a
>> long time that he is nothing but a washed up fighter with a big punch
>and
>> nothing more.
>>
>
>heavyweight with no punch and who wasn't intimidated fought Tyson. He
>made Tyson look bad by making him miss yet his counter punches were not
>having any serious effect. It was Buster Mathis Jr. and in the third
>round Tyson found him and Mathis went down and did not get up.
>
>
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Chris Byrd is a better boxer than Buster Mathis Jr. and has hell of a lot of
better chin IMO. On a side note I thought that fight was stopped to early and
that Buster Mathis was clearly outboxing him. Chris is only a so so fighter
among the elites of the heavyweight division Today's Tyson is vastly overated.
A prime Mike Tyson would most likely have little trouble beating Byrd.
mwhaught
fight. But, getting to the quality facet, I consider quality boxing as
containing a sufficient component of clean offense. I would like to
have somebody show me where that occured in the VK/Byrd fight.
My point being on the ODLH/Chavez II analogy, there was little in the
VK/Byrd fight that most boxing observers would call drama or quality.
Both fighters' offensive efforts were sloppy and there was little
sustained skill displayed by either fighter. It looked more like a
prelim fight on Friday Night Fights than an alleged title fight.
And...if VK had fallen, exhausted on his face in the 12th round, the
only thing that would have proved last Saturday was that Byrd could
take VK's punch and he had better stamina.
And, yes, VK/Byrd was boring IMO due to the lack of drama AND quality.
Chris Byrd has fought two opponents considered top shelf. In one he
was TKOd and...well...in this one, the only thing he got was a *W*.
-mwh
On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:47:39 -0400 "Brian Clifton" <bscl...@yahoo.com>
kiwi
> All I am saying mwh, is that is doesnt have to be dramatic to be a quality
> win.. I wouldnt put a second of either Lewis/Holyfield fight in a flight
> flick, but that doesnt mean those were not good quality wins for Lewis...
Well, at least the first one was.
No one can describe the second fight as a quality win,
especially since a good portion of people believe the
only reason he got the decision was to make up for the
first fight.
Stdann
>certainly whatever is left of Tyson's skills would beat
>him like a drum.
"Beat him like a drum"? Hey, don't make John McCain get you for copyright
violation! :-)
i cheehuahua.
A majority of people?! A majority?! Oh please...majority is the wrong
word to use. Majority my ass and bundled with Wissow shit locks and you
know it. Some idiots like Ron Borges who counts Holyfield c*ck hairs
for a living, thought that...but Ron Borges and a select few idiots do
not make a majority. A majority of people had Lewis winning by 2 or
more points. Just because Holyfield's performance improved over his
last fight does not mean he did enough to out box Lennox Lewis.
i cheehuahua