Boxing Records Site?
The Sanity Cruzer
Anyone know of a site with records updated for the year 2000? Thanks.
TSC
о ўhилhыеhъе
It's run by idiots like Ryan Wissow, Matt Tegan and Jack
Pursesmell/BoxingBully
i cheehuahua
Blusette
>Date: 10/4/00 9:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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>The site I used to use for fighters' records is no longer up and running.
>Anyone know of a site with records updated for the year 2000? Thanks.
>
> TSC
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>
3615, Boxing Avenue has 291
active fighters (free access)
who are or were World Champions.
http://boxing-records.com/
Boxing Record Archive is a new site still working out the bugs.
http://www.boxrec.com/
There's also British Boxing,
http://www.britishboxing.com/
Boxing Press-UK.
www.boxingpress.com
Cyber Boxing Zone (In Phrank's Ratings)
http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/cyber.htm
zendo
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Useful comments. You're a very useful addition to this place, little fellow.
JA
The Sanity Cruzer
The Sanity Cruzer
>
>3615, Boxing Avenue has 291
(others clipped)
Thanks!
TSC
о ўhилhыеhъе
>
> Useful comments. You're a very useful addition to this place, little fellow.
Thanyou BrownSugar.
i cheehuahua
Robert Phillips
Blusette wrote:
> 3615, Boxing Avenue has 291
> active fighters (free access)
> who are or were World Champions.
> http://boxing-records.com/
I use this one quite frequently. The big limitation is, of course, that it
tracks only those fighters who own(ed) the Big 3+1 world championships, and
does so only while they're active. Retired world champs aren't included. A
complaint might be, though, that the site is a bit inexact when it comes to
noting which titles were at stake in unification fights. For example, in
Dariusz Michalczewski's record listing, it lists the 6/97 fight against Virgil
Hill as a "World, Lightheavyweight" fight. But it doesn't note which title
(the IBF) Hill carried into the ring. The next entry for DM shows him
relinquishing the IBF title. If one didn't know already that he had won if
from Hill, and didn't know what "World, Lightheavyweight" actually meant, one
would never know how, when, or where DM had gotten the IBF title. The site
doesn't define specifically what a "World" title is, whether it's an alphabet
title, or a linear title, or an undisputed title.
The notes at this site, also, are in French. As a bonus, for certain fighters
and apparently where the information was available, there is also information
about amateur careers and titles.
> Boxing Record Archive is a new site still working out the bugs.
> http://www.boxrec.com/
I use this one alot, too. I think it was down for a time in the past day or
two; I thought perhaps this was the site SC was referring to that had shut
down, but apparently not. But yes, they are still working the bugs out, to be
sure. The site allows searching by first OR last name, or by nationality (a
nifty touch, but has problems with shifting nationalities caused by travel,
immigration, etc.), or by weight class (also prone to problems with fighters
who have changed division).
Robert Phillips
Robert Phillips wrote:
> Blusette wrote:
> > Boxing Record Archive is a new site still working out the bugs.
> > http://www.boxrec.com/
>
> I use this one alot, too. I think it was down for a time in the past day or
> two; I thought perhaps this was the site SC was referring to that had shut
> down, but apparently not. But yes, they are still working the bugs out, to be
> sure. The site allows searching by first OR last name, or by nationality (a
> nifty touch, but has problems with shifting nationalities caused by travel,
> immigration, etc.), or by weight class (also prone to problems with fighters
> who have changed division).
Whoops, 'sent' this post before I was finished.
The title fight information here is not quite 100%, though. It's not complete,
for one thing. DM's cruiserweight title victory (WBO) over Nestor Giovanni, for
instance, isn't noted; the boxing-records.com site does note it. Boxrec.com also
doesn't indicate when a fighter voluntarily relinquishes a title or has it
stripped. There's no indication that DM ever lost the IBF and WBA lt.heavy
titles. For that matter, it doesn't explicitly say that he won them *from* Virgil
Hill. They appear as being at stake in that fight. But after that fight, the
titles do not appear and there's nothing explicit to say whether DM had lost them
somehow or whether they simply weren't being defended in subsequent fights. The
site does not adequately note in which fights a guy wins a title, or defends it.
It also does not describe how fighters obtain titles OUT of the ring. Ken Norton
got the WBC heavy title by default when LSpinks did not defend it against him, and
he lost it to LHolmes. But in the boxrec.com site, there's no indication of
this. For Jimmy Young, Norton had no title; for his next fight, against Holmes,
the site indicates only that Norton lost to Holmes in a fight where the WBC title
was at stake. But there's nothing to indicate whether Norton lost the title TO
Holmes (which is what happened) or whether Holmes defended the title over Norton
(which did NOT happen).
Other fighters' records are vastly incomplete and frequently list only their
losses to other, more well-known fighters. But there's no disclaimer to note that
the record is incomplete.
For the boxing fan with some knowledge of the sport and its history, such
inaccuracies aren't too much of a problem. But where more obscure points of
history are concerned, or for the user who doesn't already come in with a good
knowledge, the site could give misleading information. Where particular points
are concerned, I think it's a good idea to cross-reference them against each
other, and/or against still more sites/resources.
> > There's also British Boxing,
> > http://www.britishboxing.com/
This is, as it indicates, limited almost exclusively to British boxers.
> > Boxing Press-UK.
> > www.boxingpress.com
This is a good site but falls prey to some of the same problems. There's no
adequate information about titles that are stripped or relinquished, nor about
titles that are awarded outside of the ring. There's a decent selection of
retired and "all-time" fighters, but by no means exhaustive. (Ken Norton, for
instance, does not appeaar, although JFrazier and Sonny Liston do.)
> > Cyber Boxing Zone (In Phrank's Ratings)
> > http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/cyber.htm
This is a fun site. But it definitely has an editorial slant, differentiating
between linear and alphabet champs, and it definitely prefers and focuses on
linear champs. That's fine, but it can make it a bit more difficult to find the
records you want if you don't know or care about the difference. It also makes
for some interesting perspectives on fighters' careers. This would NOT be the
place to go if you want to find out when Tommy Hearns beat Virgil Hill for a/the
lt.heavy titles, for instance; that fight doesn't qualify for either the "Past
Champions" OR the "Title Claimants" databases, so Hearns doesn't appear as a
lt.heavyweight champion in either database. In fact, the only place in either
list that Hearns appears is as the linear jr.middle champ (in "Past Champions").
That is the only listing of Hearns' otherwise stellar championship career and
you'll find no other reference to any titles Hearns won in the ring unless you
click on his name to get his actual record.
And even there, this site also doesn't adequately distinguish between alphabet
titles and "world" titles. It notes that Hearns won the WBC jr.middle title from
Benitez and that he subsequently defends it. It then says that he defended the
WBC title and won the "world" title from Roberto Duran. That can be misleading to
someone who doesn't know the difference or doesn't really know what "title" Duran
carried into the ring against Hearns. Still later, the record states that Hearns
relinquished the "world" title but doesn't state specifically that he relinquished
the WBC title as well.
(For my analysis of these sites, I used DMichalczewski and Ken Norton as "test
subjects," since I think those two fighters had fairly unique and unusual aspects
to their careers that make them good test subjects for these sites: DM won
unification fights, including the lesser-known WBO title, and lost titles outside
of the ring, and Norton won a title outside of the ring.)
The bottom line in this expose' of all of these sites is that I'm still waiting
for the site that does ALL that I as a fan want in an online records database:
complete records of fighters; a *specific* notation of which world titles are won,
lost, and defended in any particular fight; *specific* notes about when and which
titles are stripped, relinquished, or awarded outside of the ring; and information
regarding any distinctions the site makes between "alphabet" titles and "world"
championships. Lacking that one comprehensive site, I use all of these sites for
various purposes, but more often than not I find myself switching from one to
another just to complete my quest about any one fight or fighter. I know some of
our colleagues on RSB are actively involved in some of these sites, and I hope my
comments are taken well as constructive criticism and not as pointless sniping. I
know they're working hard on the sites and I freely admit I lack the time and
patience to take on such awesome tasks. I admire their work and thank them for
it.
Pie