Worst Beating In Boxing History - Survey?
Dane .C.
I am taking a survey on which boxer has taken the worst beating in a fight
and the guy who delivered the beating.
My choice: Tex Cobb beaten badly by Larry Holmes. This fight almost had
Howard Cosell crying at ringside and made him leave his ringside announcer
position.
thanx
Dane.C.
Gregg
Chico
>> I am taking a survey on which boxer has taken the worst beating in a fight
>> and the guy who delivered the beating.
>>
>> My choice: Tex Cobb beaten badly by Larry Holmes. This fight almost had
>> Howard Cosell crying at ringside and made him leave his ringside announcer
>> position.
>>
How about Gerry Cooney knocking out Ken Norton? Cooney just teed off again and
again and again on Norton's unconscious head like he was trying to knock it
into the 15th row.
It was one of the most brutal and unmerciful beatings of all time.
Chico
BoyMayo
At least Mr. Cobb was able to leave the ring without permanent damage. I
can think of many who haven't....
.....BoyMayo
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I am taking a survey on which boxer has taken the worst beating in a fight
and the guy who delivered the beating.
My choice: Tex Cobb beaten badly by Larry Holmes. This fight almost had
Howard Cosell crying at ringside and made him leave his ringside announcer
position.
thanx
Dane.C.
Kurt Hoegh
I'll say Ray Mercer delivering multiple knock-out blows to the
head of an unconscious Tommy Morrison. Man was that scary! It aslo
counts near the top five on my all time bad referees list.
I still can't believe that Tommy got away from that one in one piece...
Jim
Dane .C. wrote:
>
> I am taking a survey on which boxer has taken the worst beating in a fight
> and the guy who delivered the beating.
>
> My choice: Tex Cobb beaten badly by Larry Holmes. This fight almost had
> Howard Cosell crying at ringside and made him leave his ringside announcer
> position.
>
> thanx
>
> Dane.C.
Here's a few:
Jack Dempsey vs. Jess Willard
Stanley Ketchel vs. Billy Papke II
Battling Nelson vs. Ad Wolgast II
Joe Louis vs. Arturo Godoy II
Rocky Marciano vs. Archie Moore
Joe Frazier Vs. Jerry Quarry I
Lymon Logan
how about roberto duran vs davey more.
know that was ugly.
Ivan Weiss
On 8 Sep 1997, Dane .C. wrote:
> I am taking a survey on which boxer has taken the worst beating in a fight
> and the guy who delivered the beating.
>
> My choice: Tex Cobb beaten badly by Larry Holmes. This fight almost had
> Howard Cosell crying at ringside and made him leave his ringside announcer
> position.
Benny (Kid) Paret, who took 20-25 unanswered punches from Emile Griffith
and died. Top that.
Ivan Weiss
Seattle Times
iwei...@seatimes.com
Standard disclaimer
Ivan Weiss
On 9 Sep 1997 d...@gte.net wrote:
> Those who were there in
> Los Angeles were stunned into near silence,
> anguish spilled over the ring. And just as
> silently, Benny Paret was on his way to
> meet his maker. There was no guessing what
> had happened, no guessing what had motivated
> Griffith to fight in such a rage.
Griffith said, when asked that very question, that Paret at the weigh-in
had called him a "maricon," which is spanish for "faggot." This may be a
myth, but that's what Griffith said.
Bobby X2
Bowe Golota II was a recent severe beating.
d...@gte.net
On 8 Sep 1997 18:24:30 GMT, Chico wrote:
>How about Gerry Cooney knocking out Ken Norton? Cooney just teed off again and
>again and again on Norton's unconscious head like he was trying to knock it
>into the 15th row.
>
>It was one of the most brutal and unmerciful beatings of all time.
>
>Chico
>
The night Benny Paret was battered
by Emile Griffith. The two had split
their previous meetings and this was
the rubber match. Benny never awakened
from the 12th round onslaught of punch
after unanswered punch, on and on until
Paret hung grotesquely against the corner
ropes, never being able to fall to the
mat because of the pounding. The referee
on this night was far too slow in coming
to the rescue. Those who were there in
Los Angeles were stunned into near silence,
anguish spilled over the ring. And just as
silently, Benny Paret was on his way to
meet his maker. There was no guessing what
had happened, no guessing what had motivated
Griffith to fight in such a rage.
DCI
Nelson Patenaude
Razor Ruddock destroyed Bonecrusher Smith. That was the biggest beating
ive ever witnessed.
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Dannews
I will chime in with these three:
Bowe destroying Jorge Luis Gonzalez, and I mean destroy, Perhaps the best
Bowe ever looked.
Chrarles Brewer splattering Gary Ballard in July on Showtime for the super
middle title
Nigel Benn-Gerald McClellan. Both received the beatings of their life. At
least one walked away.
C.W.
How about Ali over Ernie Terrell.
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C.W.
Aasmund Ukkelberg
Ivan Weiss wrote:
>
> On 8 Sep 1997, Dane .C. wrote:
>
> > I am taking a survey on which boxer has taken the worst beating in a fight
> > and the guy who delivered the beating.
> >
> > My choice: Tex Cobb beaten badly by Larry Holmes. This fight almost had
> > Howard Cosell crying at ringside and made him leave his ringside announcer
> > position.
>
> Benny (Kid) Paret, who took 20-25 unanswered punches from Emile Griffith
> and died. Top that.
>
> Ivan Weiss
> Seattle Times
> iwei...@seatimes.com
> Standard disclaimer
DCI also mentioned Paret vs. Griffith, but my personal choice is
a fight that Paret was in shortly before he met Griffith, a fight
against Gene Fullmer. Paret was completely outmatched, but
Fullmer could not KO him. So the fight went on and on and on,
with Paret taking a terrible beating. This fight was probably
a factor in Paret's later death against Griffith.
Boxing can also be ugly to look at when the element of taunting
and torture is present. Jorge Louis Gonzales' win over Rinaldo
Snipes was such a fight. From about round 3 on, Gonzales could
have ended it whenever he wanted to, but instead he chose to
torture Snipes, laugh at him, and wait with the KO until the
last round. I'm no big fan of Riddick Bowe, but I loved to
watch that pait job he gave to the very charming Mr. Gonzales.
..mund
Haymaker
No one has mentioned Alexis Arguellos KO at the hands of Aaron Pryor.
Talk about unanswered punches. Arguello lay on his back, incapacitated
for some time after that ass-whiipin'.
Haymaker
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Gregg
Lee wrote:
>
> On 8 Sep 1997 15:53:02 GMT, "Dane .C." <d...@istar.ca> wrote:
>
> >I am taking a survey on which boxer has taken the worst beating in a fight
> >and the guy who delivered the beating.
>
> Surely the worst beating a boxer could take would be one which
> resulting in his death. End of story.
Well unfortunately, a lot of fighters have died in the ring.The worst
beating was Duk Koo Kim at the hands of Ray Mancini.It was the fight
that ended the 15 rounders.Kim died a day later.
Lee
On 8 Sep 1997 15:53:02 GMT, "Dane .C." <d...@istar.ca> wrote:
>I am taking a survey on which boxer has taken the worst beating in a fight
>and the guy who delivered the beating.
Surely the worst beating a boxer could take would be one which
resulting in his death. End of story.
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On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:05:34 -0700, Ivan Weiss <iwei...@seatimes.com>
wrote:
>On 9 Sep 1997 d...@gte.net wrote:
>
>> Those who were there in
>> Los Angeles were stunned into near silence,
>> anguish spilled over the ring. And just as
>> silently, Benny Paret was on his way to
>> meet his maker. There was no guessing what
>> had happened, no guessing what had motivated
>> Griffith to fight in such a rage.
>
>Griffith said, when asked that very question, that Paret at the weigh-in
>had called him a "maricon," which is spanish for "faggot." This may be a
>myth, but that's what Griffith said.
>
>Ivan Weiss
>Seattle Times
>iwei...@seatimes.com
>Standard disclaimer
>
Ivan,
If you recall, Griffith was working
at a shop that made women's hats.
The alleged remark at the weigh-in
was preceded by remarks from Paret's
handlers as well as Paret.
DCI
Ivan Weiss
Yes, that's my recollection as well.
Wes Wildcat
> silently, Benny Paret was on his way to
> meet his maker. There was no guessing what
> had happened, no guessing what had motivated
> Griffith to fight in such a rage.
>
>
One story I had read about was that during the weigh-in,
Paret was calling Griffith a queer and making fun of the Virgin
Island, also at the weigh-in, Paret weighed in totally nude and
afterwards whle he was still nude, he would stand as close to
Griffith as he could, needles to say, Emile was very angry at
what he was doing which made the result of the fight hard on Griffith.
-wes
Wes Wildcat
Vickie
The beating the Tommy Morrison took from Ray Mercer was pretty bad...I think
there were 20+ unanswered punches before Morrison slumped to the floor and
the fight was stopped.
Alejandro Olague
On Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:15:14 GMT, n...@netcomuk.co.uk# (Lee) wrote:
>On 8 Sep 1997 15:53:02 GMT, "Dane .C." <d...@istar.ca> wrote:
>
>>I am taking a survey on which boxer has taken the worst beating in a fight
>>and the guy who delivered the beating.
>
>Surely the worst beating a boxer could take would be one which
>resulting in his death. End of story.
Not really. I think(I can't recall) that it was Oscar Bejines that
died at the hands of Tweety Bird Davila back in 83. Davila wasn't a
hard hitter nor did he put a beating on Bejines. In fact, he was even
on a card and let on two others. Bejines suffered a knockdown, got up,
was not allowed to continue and then collapsed. Sonny Liston once
talked about the effects of punches on the brain. Usually it is over
the course of a career, but sometimes it takes only one punch.
Alejandro
Alejandro Olague
>No one has mentioned Alexis Arguellos KO at the hands of Aaron Pryor.
>Talk about unanswered punches. Arguello lay on his back, incapacitated
>for some time after that ass-whiipin'.
>
>Haymaker
The ending was just sudden, it was not a beating IMHO. A beating is
something that happens over the course of a fight, not in less than 30
seconds. The Arguello/Pryor fight(first one) was very even throughout.
Alejandro
Aasmund Ukkelberg
> >Surely the worst beating a boxer could take would be one which
> >resulting in his death. End of story.
>
> Not really. I think(I can't recall) that it was Oscar Bejines that
> died at the hands of Tweety Bird Davila back in 83. Davila wasn't a
> hard hitter nor did he put a beating on Bejines. In fact, he was even
> on a card and let on two others. Bejines suffered a knockdown, got up,
> was not allowed to continue and then collapsed. Sonny Liston once
> talked about the effects of punches on the brain. Usually it is over
> the course of a career, but sometimes it takes only one punch.
>
> Alejandro
This brings to mind the fight between Ernie Schaaf and Primo Carnera
in the early thirties. The fight footage shows that Carnera was a
far better boxer than many people will have you belive, and had the
upper hand against Schaaf. But Schaaf did not take anything that
looked like a bad beating, and when he collapsed in the corner,
the crowd booed and hissed, believing that the fix was in. Schaaf
died soon afterwards. Punches don't have to look that bad to
be fatal if the reciever has some sort of latent injury or weakness,
which was the case for Ernie Schaaf.
..mund
Robert C Phillips
Duran's brutalization of Davey Moore? Who doesn't cringe by mid-rounds
while watching that fight...?
Pie
CLAGUN1
What about Chavez beating over Hector Camacho. Camacho has his face
practically destroyed and he said in an interview that he was pissing blood
after the blows in his body. Remarkable.
Ken O.
Linda Shippert
On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Aasmund Ukkelberg wrote:
>
> This brings to mind the fight between Ernie Schaaf and Primo Carnera
> in the early thirties. The fight footage shows that Carnera was a
> far better boxer than many people will have you belive, and had the
> upper hand against Schaaf. But Schaaf did not take anything that
> looked like a bad beating, and when he collapsed in the corner,
> the crowd booed and hissed, believing that the fix was in. Schaaf
> died soon afterwards. Punches don't have to look that bad to
> be fatal if the reciever has some sort of latent injury or weakness,
> which was the case for Ernie Schaaf.
I'd read that part of Schaaf's problem in that fight was that he fought
too soon after getting thumped by Max Baer (I think). Baer was a vicious
fighter when he wanted to be and I'm pretty sure he wanted to be against
Schaaf.
Although Da Preem was pounded pretty soundly by Joe Louis, ending up in
the Hospital for a while, wasn't he?
umo
I will always remember Muhammed Ali's torture and total humiliation of
Ernie Terrell. Before the fight, Terrell refused to call Ali by his Muslim
name and kept referring to him as "Clay". Instead of knocking him out
early, Ali carried Terrell long enough to torment him into submission. I
believe that was the infamous "What's My Name?" fight.
Jacob Bomba
In the Thrila In Manilla both men took horrible beatings and kept
coming.
Jacob Bomba
Gary Lloyd
In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.970908...@seatimes.seatimes.com>,
>> Los Angeles were stunned into near silence,
>> anguish spilled over the ring. And just as
>> meet his maker. There was no guessing what
>> had happened, no guessing what had motivated
>> Griffith to fight in such a rage.
>
>had called him a "maricon," which is spanish for "faggot." This may be a
>myth, but that's what Griffith said.
>
>Ivan Weiss
>Seattle Times
>iwei...@seatimes.com
>Standard disclaimer
>
No, myth, this is what actually happened, and of course, Griffith has
since come out of the closet. I bumped into Griffith in Jersey City about
eight years ago. He was bald as a billiard ball and was packing about 190
on his 5 8" frame. We stopped in a bar I think he co-owned. The patrons
were all white and roundly greeted him, and behind the bar and all around
the room were his photos and trophies. We had a quick beer during which
time he exchanged jokes and generally carried off a jovial, quick-witted
persona. This was not a punch-drunk has-been. Here was a clever,
well-liked guy.
--
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Wash, DC
Gary Lloyd
Publisher
New Fishwrapper Times
Gary Lloyd
In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.970911...@becker2.u.washington.edu>,
Baer was a killer alright, and at 6' 2" and an even 200 he was a lot
bigger then most of the era. Splendid physique, with shoulders he could
launch fighter planes off. Very good boxer too, was beating the shit out
of everybody until he met Louis. Then for some reason still unclear, he
just folded. A lot of people have yet to figure that one out.
Gary Lloyd
In article <34184624...@nntp.netcomuk.co.uk>,
Lee <n...@netcomuk.co.uk#> wrote:
>On 8 Sep 1997 15:53:02 GMT, "Dane .C." <d...@istar.ca> wrote:
>
>>I am taking a survey on which boxer has taken the worst beating in a fight
>>and the guy who delivered the beating.
>
>resulting in his death. End of story.
No, this isn't necessarily true. A killing knock-out punch can come out of
the blue -- from the guy taking the beating!
Gary Lloyd
Yeah, it was, and a more fun thing you'll hardly ever see. Ali was an
avenging angel hitting Terrell seemingly at will. And each time, it was
just like you say -- "What's my name? Bam, bam, bam... "I said what's my
name?" Bam, bam, bam...
Gary Lloyd
In article <3416D2...@ffi.no>,
Aasmund Ukkelberg <asmund.u...@ffi.no> wrote:
>Alejandro Olague wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:15:14 GMT, n...@netcomuk.co.uk# (Lee) wrote:
> (Previous post snipped)
>
>> >resulting in his death. End of story.
>>
>> died at the hands of Tweety Bird Davila back in 83. Davila wasn't a
>> hard hitter nor did he put a beating on Bejines. In fact, he was even
>> on a card and let on two others. Bejines suffered a knockdown, got up,
>> was not allowed to continue and then collapsed. Sonny Liston once
>> talked about the effects of punches on the brain. Usually it is over
>> the course of a career, but sometimes it takes only one punch.
>>
>> Alejandro
>
>in the early thirties. The fight footage shows that Carnera was a
>far better boxer than many people will have you belive, and had the
>upper hand against Schaaf. But Schaaf did not take anything that
>looked like a bad beating, and when he collapsed in the corner,
>the crowd booed and hissed, believing that the fix was in. Schaaf
>died soon afterwards. Punches don't have to look that bad to
>be fatal if the reciever has some sort of latent injury or weakness,
>which was the case for Ernie Schaaf.
>
Wait a minute, isn't it generally held that it was the beating Schaaf
sustained at the hands of __________ (can't believe I don't remember his
name) that caused his death? This fight was just before the Carnera fight.
Johnboy
Nigel Benn v. Gerald McClellan. No doubt about it. That was the most
savage war of our generation, and easily belongs on anyone's all time
list. Benn gets punched OUT of the ring, and we all know what happened
to McClellan as a result of that fight.
Johnboy
jbomba
Schaff was beaten in a previous match by Max Bear.
jbomba
Bear was involved in to ring deaths, Shaff who died in the next fight,
he also killed another in the ring. He wasnt much of a puncher but he
was supposed to have a awesome power in his right.
Donald D. MacAngus
Both men gave as good as they took as far as punishment, but the same
could be said of the Hagler vs Antuofermo fight. There was no "beating"
in either of these fights.
Benny Paret was beaten to death by Emile Griffith when he got hung up on
the ropes, and would have fallen, but instead stayed on his feet,
allowing Griffith to continue administering blows (ala Mercer vs
Morrisson) until he was in a coma. This incident was so horrible that
it lead to a change in the configuration of ring ropes, going to four
ropes which were closer together rather than three which were more
widely spaced, thus making it less likely for fighters to become
entangled.
In my opinion, this was the worst, with the possible exception of
Gabrial Ruelles vs Jimmy Garcia.
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Don MacAngus
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Donald D. MacAngus
Gary Lloyd wrote:
>
> Baer was a killer alright, and at 6' 2" and an even 200 he was a lot
> bigger then most of the era. Splendid physique, with shoulders he
> could launch fighter planes off. Very good boxer too, was beating the
> shit out of everybody until he met Louis. Then for some reason still
> unclear, he just folded. A lot of people have yet to figure that one
> out.
You mean James Braddock, don't you? Braddock beat Baer in his first
title defense. Louis beat him in his first comeback fight.
Donald D. MacAngus
That was a great, dramatic, and tragic fight, but there was no horrible
beating that I saw.
jaggrin
I think that Davey Moore suffered the worst beating that I have seen at the
hands of Roberto Duran. The seventh round was the most brutal round I have
ever seen and he continued to tee off on him in the eighth, until it was
stopped. I think it is apparent that he was never the same fighter after
the brutal beating he took.
Gary Lloyd <gary...@havea.min.net> wrote in article
<5vc6fs$b...@havea.min.net>...
> In article <34184624...@nntp.netcomuk.co.uk>,
> Lee <n...@netcomuk.co.uk#> wrote:
> >On 8 Sep 1997 15:53:02 GMT, "Dane .C." <d...@istar.ca> wrote:
> >
> >>I am taking a survey on which boxer has taken the worst beating in a
fight
> >>and the guy who delivered the beating.
> >
> >Surely the worst beating a boxer could take would be one which
> >resulting in his death. End of story.
> >________________________________________________________
>
>
> No, this isn't necessarily true. A killing knock-out punch can come out
of
> the blue -- from the guy taking the beating!
>
David Mandell
>Baer was a killer alright, and at 6' 2" and an even 200 he was a lot
>bigger then most of the era. Splendid physique, with shoulders he could
>launch fighter planes off. Very good boxer too, was beating the shit out
>of everybody until he met Louis. Then for some reason still unclear, he
>just folded. A lot of people have yet to figure that one out.
>--
>Ins. of Piscatology & Advanced Autophobic Studies
>1600 Pennsylvania Ave
>Wash, DC
>Gary Lloyd
>Publisher
>New Fishwrapper Times
According to the Pictorial History of Boxing, Baer did not
keep in shape and clowned in the ring. His clowning and
partying hurt his boxing career. His son Max played Jethro
on the Beverly Hiibillies.
Donald D. MacAngus
wrote:
>
> My friend and I came up with 2 answers. 1-Hagler-Minter in London
> Minter`s face look like out of date pork chops left over in a
> butcher`s window. Phillis Diller looks like miss America next to him.
> 2-Holmes-Cobb is a good one too. It even drove mister toupee himself
> out of boxing.
Two interesting choices.
First, let me say that I disagree with Hagler vs Mintor because that one
was stopped mainly on cuts, and would be no worse, in my opinion, than
Oscar vs Chavez. Neither Mintor nor Chavez was getting killed, i.e.,
knocked out. They were just bleeding a lot. And if that is the
standard, I can point to a LOT of fights where guys blead MUCH more.
Second, if you point to the beating that Holmes gave Cobb (a pretty one
sided match to be sure) you could just as easily point to the one-sided
beating that Chavez gave to Haugen, or to Camacho, or even to the one he
gave to Taylor (though Taylor was ahead on points). One could even
point to the beating that Oscar gave Camacho last night.
mj beau
That knockout was similar to Ray Leonard's kayo of Donny Lalonde in
1988. Although I am not a fan of Leonard, I was mightliy impressed with
that vicious and brutal knockout of the larger man.
The Sanity Cruzer
Gary Lloyd wrote:
>
> Wait a minute, isn't it generally held that it was the beating Schaaf
> sustained at the hands of __________ (can't believe I don't remember his
> name) that caused his death? This fight was just before the Carnera fight.
Max Baer
The Sanity Cruzer
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TICKYUL
>The beating the Tommy Morrison took from Ray Mercer was pretty bad...I think
>there were 20+ unanswered punches before Morrison slumped to the floor and
>the fight was stopped.
>
>
I saw that fight and tommy was out after the 4th punch.Tommy took a
terrible beating when he was out on his feet.The ref should have lost his
license.
DANIEL AGUILAR
the la hoya gave a pretty good beating to camacho
don't u think so ?????
comments plase
dan
d...@gte.net
If the fighter ain't on no life support
system after the fight, it ain't no beating.
Camacho took his 3 million dollars and skipped
off to the bank.
DCI
TOM V.
Tommy Hearns ko over Roberto Duran, I can't even bear to listen to it,
it sounds like Robertos head got crushed by the blow.
The Sanity Cruzer
mj beau wrote:
>
> Vickie wrote:
> >
> > The beating the Tommy Morrison took from Ray Mercer was pretty bad...I think
> > there were 20+ unanswered punches before Morrison slumped to the floor and
> > the fight was stopped.
>
> 1988. Although I am not a fan of Leonard, I was mightliy impressed with
> that vicious and brutal knockout of the larger man.
Unfortunately, the "larger man" Lalonde was coerced (with money) into
taking the fight at 168 pounds. So, Leonard, because of his drawing
power, got the larger Lalonde to shrink himself down to Leonard's weight
in order for Donny to defend his 175 pound title and get a big payday.
Impressed with Ray Leonard? Not I. Disgusted was more like it.
Beatings? How about Bruce Curry against Billy Costello. Even Gil
Clancy, acting as a ringside announcer, was wondering what the ref was
waiting for. Oh, the ref? None other than Mr. Quick, Richard Steele (I
love that bit of Richard Steele trivia).
Morrison took a few extra punches, and they were hellacious. But,
Morrison's weak chin saved him from staying upright too long (although
the ropes kept him up a 'few' punches too many). On the other hand,
Curry, who could take a punch and had "too much heart" (Gil Clancy),
took a prolonged beating at the fists of Costello. People were
concerned about Curry's safety, and the fight kept going on and on.
The Sanity Cruzer
mj beau
Sanity wrote:
> Unfortunately, the "larger man" Lalonde was coerced (with money) into
> taking the fight at 168 pounds. So, Leonard, because of his drawing
> power, got the larger Lalonde to shrink himself down to Leonard's weight
> in order for Donny to defend his 175 pound title and get a big payday.
> Impressed with Ray Leonard? Not I. Disgusted was more like it.
I also am not impressed with what Leonard did to get the fight. But I
am capable of seperating the politics of boxing from the actual fight.
That aside, am I impressed with the Kayo?... you bet! Did you hear the
post-fight interview with Lalonde? He could barely speak, I think that
Leonard must have laid some heavy damage on Lalonde's throat / voicebox.
Anyway, sure, Lalonde came in at 168 for the pre-fight weigh-in. But
the last time I watched the fight, I seem to recall the commentators
saying that LaLonde was probably 10 pounds or more heavier than Ray on
the day of the fight. I am not a Leonard fan, but I will give credit
where it is do... Ray kicked Donny's ass that night. And it was a
terrific Kayo. Matthew
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>> > The beating the Tommy Morrison took from Ray Mercer was pretty
bad...
I have not been following this thread, but has anyone mentioned the
beating Tex Randall Cobb took at the hands of, I believe, Ali. Tex
took every hit, bled profusely, and at the end, it was enough to
make Howard Cosell quit coverage of Boxing.
And while we are talking top ten, the best and most famous boxing
announcer,...none other than Howard Cosell. he could make a boring
fight interesting.
pde...@hotmail.com
The question of what era seems to be mighty relevant. It's clear that
today's fights are stopped much earlier than fights of bygone eras. Could
Zale or Graziano have fought out their titanic battles under today's
regime? I don't think so. Even the so-called greatest fight of all time
(Ali / Frazier I) would probably have been stopped in the 10th round or
sooner if fought today.
Needless to say, fights in the 20s and 30s were even more brutal, so how
far do we go back? As others have opined, by definition a fight ending in
the death of one of the fighters is the 'pinnacle' of brutality, though
even this is not entirely true: the fight that resulted in the death of
Aussie fighter Lance Hobson last year was hardly a brutal fight to watch.
My choice is Griffith / Paret - a brutal fight if ever there was one that
ended in tragedy.
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Wes Wildcat
In article <341AFE...@cub.kcnet.org> jbo...@cub.kcnet.org writes:
>Schaff was beaten in a previous match by Max Bear.
If you want to go back one more step. Before the Baer fight,
Schaff was pounded viciously by Tony Galento.
Baer also put a good beating on Carnera when he won the title,
knocked down the defenseless Carnera 11 times, he even broke his ankle
on one of his trips to the canvas.
d...@gte.net
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:14:47 -0700, Dizz...@webtv.net (Oran,Peel Jones)
wrote:
Kick yourself to the curb
before you run over yourself
with the jive and flam-flam
posting.
DCI
Oran,Peel Jones
oh my god,why do u fools always have something 2 say about my little
signature. 4 1 thing if i REALY talked like that,who r u 2 critisize me.
i don't realy talk like that,but the little thing at the botom is a
JOKE. and none of u speak "perfect" english. because i ahve never ran
in2 an american who does.
David Mandell
> If you want to go back one more step. Before the Baer fight,
>Schaff was pounded viciously by Tony Galento.
> Baer also put a good beating on Carnera when he won the title,
>knocked down the defenseless Carnera 11 times, he even broke his ankle
>on one of his trips to the canvas.
Bud Schulberg wrote a book about Canera, The Harder They Fall
The Sanity Cruzer
Keating Willcox wrote:
> I have not been following this thread, but has anyone mentioned the
> beating Tex Randall Cobb took at the hands of, I believe, Ali.
You're thinking of the Holmes-Cobb fight.
> Tex took every hit, bled profusely, and at the end, it was enough to
> make Howard Cosell quit coverage of Boxing.
>
> And while we are talking top ten, the best and most famous boxing
> announcer,...none other than Howard Cosell. he could make a boring
> fight interesting.
Oh well, I sure disagree there. IMO, Cosell was interesting if you
didn't know what was happening. If you knew what was happening, Cosell
was way off and was a distraction. Watch his call of the Foreman-Lyle
fight. It's as though his call of the fight was on time delay.
The Sanity Cruzer
jbomba
I saw clips of a fight where Marciano did a number on some British
guy. The brit ewas bearly fighting back, the refs in thos days wernt
very cautious.
jbomba
Since were going way backI heard of a bare nuckle fight once I dont
rember the names of the men who in it ( but YankeeSullivan was in one
mans corner). But by the end one of the men was spitting up hardened
blood clots ahad both eyes swelled shut, and had many other injuries( I
cant remember all the details). Even the barenuckles crowd who were
known for their brutality, and Sullivan a vicious fighter were begging
to stop the fight but it went on. The fighters corner and the fighter
himself wanted to contiue. A few rounds lastter he was dead. Many
people at ringside and men in the corner were prosecuted for man
slaughteer. This shows just how brutel barenuckle boxing ( which is very
different from the sport today) could be.
jbomba
Since were going way backI heard of a bare nuckle fight once I dont
rember the names of the men who in it ( but YankeeSullivan was in one
mans corner). But by the end one of the men was spitting up hardened
blood clots ahad both eyes swelled shut, and had many other injuries( I
cant remember all the details). Even the barenuckles crowd who were
known for their brutality, and Sullivan a vicious fighter were begging
to stop the fight but it went on. The fighters corner and the fighter
dennis ruddell
> Tommy Hearns ko over Roberto Duran, I can't even bear to listen to it,
> it sounds like Robertos head got crushed by the blow.
no doubt about that one...i have always loved duran and that one...fell
like a rock...
how about danny lopez vs sanchez (spelling wrong for sure)... sanchez
beat little red and then again...salador died in an auto accident i
think...but what about lopez? he still around??
SAV...@ids.net
I missed the Alfonso Sanchez vs. Charles Murray fight on ESPN2 the other
night and I was wondering if anyone saw it and who won. PLease e-mail me
at dr...@ids.net! Thanks alot!
Ted Panagiotis
http://members.aol.com/doctortko/classic/
Gene Arch
It was Larry Holmes that inflicted that beating on Tex. To his credit, Tex
never went down and was quoted as saying when the fight was over that "he
was just warming up".
countr...@hotmail.com wrote in message <3428CC...@hotmail.com>...
>Keating Willcox wrote:
>>
>> >> > The beating the Tommy Morrison took from Ray Mercer was pretty
>> bad...
>>
>> I have not been following this thread, but has anyone mentioned the
>> beating Tex Randall Cobb took at the hands of, I believe, Ali. Tex
>> took every hit, bled profusely, and at the end, it was enough to
>> make Howard Cosell quit coverage of Boxing.
>>
>> And while we are talking top ten, the best and most famous boxing
>> announcer,...none other than Howard Cosell. he could make a boring
>> fight interesting.
>Oh yeah!
>I seen that one and do beleive that Cobb took one of the worst beatings
>I ever seen Ali give ANYONE, and I think he was still standing am I
>right? On second thought.....was it Ali or Holmes that beat him that
>night? I think it was Ali!! And yes!,... that fight made Howard quit
>announcing.
countr...@hotmail.com
ROMERO
It was Larry Holmes the beat the crap out Tex Randall.
loki
It was Larry who beat Cobb. As far as beatings, it is hard to come up
with one that surpasses Foreman/Fraizer 1.
Loki
Bob Bearden
It was Don Cockell and the fight was finally stopped in the 9th. Cockell
was the English Heavyweight Champion and was noted for being a hard man
to drop. Marciano himself later said that the fight should have been
stopped. If you're interested, here's a site devoted to Rocky Marciano
at: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Arena/1047/.
Bob
Thanos GT
>I am taking a survey on which boxer has taken the worst beating in a fight
>and the guy who delivered the beating.
Beaten-----victor
Willard vs. Dempsey
Ketchel vs. Johnson
Dempsey(nonpariel) vs. Fitzsimons
Jeffries vs. FitzsimonsII
Tunney vs GrebI
Frazier vs. Foreman I & II
Papke vs. Ketchel I &III
Ketchel vs. PapkeI
Braddock vs. Louis
Schmeling vs.LouisII
Ignacio Munguia
don`t forget
Chavez - Camacho
now that was a beating
Wes Wildcat
This is what was happeing in the world of boxing as was
written by Ring magazine in September of 1973.
Former champ Joe Frazier defeats Joe Bugner over 12 rounds.
Frazier lacked his old drive, his unrelenting attack and his
formidable position as a body punisher. Frazier did put Bugner
down for a 9-count in the 10th round, but after Bugner got back
up he attacked Frazier and even buckled his knees. Bugner got
more praise for his losing effort than Frazier for winning.
Earnie Shavers may or may not be ready for the big time
but he won his first fight over a name opponent by knocking out
Jimmy Ellis in the first round. Shavers had previously been
stopped by Ron Stander in 5 rounds. When the fight started, Ellis
came out like gangbusters and hit Shavers with everything he threw
at him and may have gotten overconfident, after coming out of a
clinch, Shavers landed a left uppercut that was followed by a
right on the cheek and Ellis was counted out at 2:39 of round 1.
Chuck Wepner defeated Ernie Terrell by 12 round decision.
The referee was the sole official and the reporters at ringside
felt the wrong arm was raised at the end. It appeared that Wepner
only dominated one round of the fight while Terrell was the aggressor
through out the fight. Terrell sliced up Wepner's face from round
3-6, after the decision was announced, fans of Terrell's attacked
Wepner as he was leaving.
Jose Napoles retained his welter title by unanimous decision
over Roger Menetrey. Fighting in Menetrey's home of France, Napoles
thrashed him throughout the fight and on some scorecards he took
every round. Menetrey didn't land a meaningful punch until the
8th and it had no effect on Napoles. Napoles did most of his damage
in the last few rounds as he cut one eye and closed the other, but
Menetrey finished the fight on his feet.
Antonio Cervantes retained his Jr. Welter title by 5 round
ko over Alfonso Frazer. Cervantes won ther title from Frazer a
year ago by 10 round ko. During the weigh-in, Cervantes told Frazer
that he will finish him in 5. Cervantes hammered the favored Frazer
down in the 3rd, once more in the 4th and true to his word, 3 times
in the 5th when the fight was stopped.
Roberto Duran retained his Lightweight title by 8-round ko
Hector Thompson. Thompson was getting a bad beating and by the
time the 8th rolled around he got several cuts and was knocked down
twice when the ref stepped in to halt the one-sided fight.
Kuniaki Shibata retained his Jr. Lightweight title by 15
round decision over the highly rated Victor Echegaray. The only
knock downs in the fight came in the last round as Shibata put
Echegaray down two times, each time he went down, Echegaray got
up immediately and let everyone know that he wasn't hurt, but it
wasn't enough to persuade the judges decision.
21 year old Bobby Chacon suffered his first lost in 20 fights
against former champion Ruben Olivares. Chacon was a beaten man
and he knew it as he thought he could get a win over a name fighter
who he felt was onn his way down. Olivares came to the fight in
the best condition he has been in for a long time and showed Chacon
that he can still punch, he also showed the youngster some ring
tricks that he has never seen before. When the bell for the 9th
round sounded, Chacon's corner would not let their man come out.
Pete scalone
luis firpo being stopped by jack dempsy.
PgskinPete
the beating the dempsey gave jess willard has to rank right up there. Reports
of the fight have Willard's face being torn apart by demsey's blows. The
accounts i have read sure make it sound like one of the most savage beatings
ever in the ring.
jbomba
Years later I believe Dempsy's manager admitted to butting some
substance on his gloves that made them as hard as they been coated with
plaster. Dempsy alays denied it.
PgskinPete
Read about the beating that Dempsey gave to Willard in 1919. it makes
Holmes/Cobb look like a walk in the park
Anthony Phelps
jbomba <jbo...@cub.kcnet.org> wrote:
He made this admission after an acrimonious falling out with
Dempsey (I believe it was in a book he wrote). He also
withdrew it after Dempsey took him to court and won - so I
guess everyone will have to make their own minds up about
the truth of the matter.
* Tony Phelps + * * +
* tee...@innotts.co.uk * + * + * * + *
http://www.innotts.co.uk/~teepee/ * * *
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
Donald D. MacAngus
According to "The Ultimate Encyclopedia of Boxing" by Harry Mullan...
"He floored Willard - who outweighed him by 56 lb - seven times in the
first round, but the champion's courage kept him going until the third."
Dempsey reportedly actually left the ring after the bell to end the
first, thinking that the fight was over, and Willard would be carried
out of the ring. But the ref had no intention of stopping the bout, and
ordered Dempsey back into the ring to continue the slaughter, or he
would be disqualified.
Dempsey obliged and Willard was beaten further.
I have tried to find out whether Willard ever fought again, but I can
find no definitive record.
Anyone know?
--
Big D
Don MacAngus, Santa Cruz, CA
http://www.earthlink.net/~bigdatsc/
The Sanity Cruzer
Donald D. MacAngus wrote:
>
> I have tried to find out whether Willard ever fought again, but I can
> find no definitive record.
>
> Anyone know?
According to The Ring Record Book, Willard was inactive until 1922
following his July 4, 1919 loss to Dempsey. In 1922, Willard fought
several exhibitions (they list 6). In 1923, Jess won by 11th round ko
over one Floyd Johnson. Then, on July 12, 1923, Willard had his last
fight, an eighth round kayo loss to Luis Angel Firpo in Jersey City.
Willard ended up being one of the longest living heavyweight
ex-champions. He died in 1968 at the age of 86, 14 days shy of his 87th
birthday. Dempsey too lived a long life. Jack, who died in 1983 at the
age of 87, less than 4 weeks shy of his 88th birthday, lived, by my
calculations, the longest of any world heavyweight champion, starting
with John L. Sullivan (Irish for Juan L. Sulaiman).
The Sanity Cruzer
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The Sanity Cruzer
jbomba wrote:
>
> Years later I believe Dempsy's manager admitted to butting some
> substance on his gloves that made them as hard as they been coated with
> plaster. Dempsy alays denied it.
Doc Kearns, Dempsey's then manager, said that instead of putting talcum
powder on the hand wraps, he used plaster of paris (those French are
trouble again!). The idea was, if I recall, that when Dempsey's hands
sweated, they would cause the plaster to set up. The Ring magazine (The
Ring Detective, an old feature they used to have) did a test of this
method, and found that it would simply crumble into dust upon impact.
It was said that Doc Kearns told the story he did to get money for
selling the story. That's what I recall.
Donald D. MacAngus
>> the beating the dempsey gave jess willard has to rank right up there.
>> Reports of the fight have Willard's face being torn apart by demsey's
>> blows. The accounts i have read sure make it sound like one of the
>> most savage beatings ever in the ring.
>
> According to "The Ultimate Encyclopedia of Boxing" by Harry Mullan...
>
> "He floored Willard - who outweighed him by 56 lb - seven times in the
> first round, but the champion's courage kept him going until the
> third."
A recent article on Jack Dempsey that appeared in Sports Illustrated
indicated that Dempsey shattered Willard's right cheekbone in 13 places
with one devastating left hook.
That the man continued after that is simply incredible.
Ivan Weiss
On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, The Sanity Cruzer wrote:
> Willard ended up being one of the longest living heavyweight
> ex-champions. He died in 1968 at the age of 86, 14 days shy of his 87th
> birthday. Dempsey too lived a long life. Jack, who died in 1983 at the
> age of 87, less than 4 weeks shy of his 88th birthday, lived, by my
> calculations, the longest of any world heavyweight champion, starting
> with John L. Sullivan (Irish for Juan L. Sulaiman).
Didn't Jack Sharkey and Max Schmeling both reach 90?
Ivan Weiss
Seattle Times
iwei...@seatimes.com
Standard disclaimer
The Sanity Cruzer
Ivan Weiss wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, The Sanity Cruzer wrote:
>
> > Willard ended up being one of the longest living heavyweight
> > ex-champions. He died in 1968 at the age of 86, 14 days shy of his 87th
> > birthday. Dempsey too lived a long life. Jack, who died in 1983 at the
> > age of 87, less than 4 weeks shy of his 88th birthday, lived, by my
> > calculations, the longest of any world heavyweight champion, starting
> > with John L. Sullivan (Irish for Juan L. Sulaiman).
>
> Didn't Jack Sharkey and Max Schmeling both reach 90?
How right you are. Sharkey was not quite 92 when he died and Schmeling
is still kicking at age 92. Thanks.
The Sanity Cruzer
posted & mailed
pliesenberg
: > Willard ended up being one of the longest living heavyweight
: > ex-champions. He died in 1968 at the age of 86, 14 days shy of his 87th
: > birthday. Dempsey too lived a long life. Jack, who died in 1983 at the
: > age of 87, less than 4 weeks shy of his 88th birthday, lived, by my
: > calculations, the longest of any world heavyweight champion, starting
: > with John L. Sullivan (Irish for Juan L. Sulaiman).
: Didn't Jack Sharkey and Max Schmeling both reach 90?
Max Schmeling's still alive, and very sharp mentally. He
must have just turned 92, too, I think. He is a class act,
and a true role model. And an extremely humble person.
Despite the fact that he was a world champ, and a self-made
millionaire in his post-boxing business career.
...paul
Beast of Bourbon
On Thu, 02 Oct 1997 10:23:47 -0700, "Donald D. MacAngus" wrote:
>I have tried to find out whether Willard ever fought again, but I can
>find no definitive record.
>
>Anyone know?
Sorry to reply so late!
Yes, Willard did fight again after losing to Dempsey. He was inactive
until 1922, when he fought a half-dozen exhibition bouts. In 1923, he
decided to fight legit again, knocking out Floyd Johnson in 11 before
getting beaten senseless by some kid named Luis Firpo in 8.
After that, Willard never fought again.