Too Many Felt Choices
Steve B
discussions have mentioned other styles.
So, let me describe my pool ability, and then you can say if I need the 860,
or another.
On a scale of 1-10 in humanity, I'd say I'm a 8-9, as lots of people I play
barely play.
In this group, I'd not rate myself more than a 5-7, as I know lots of people
here could beat me.
I like to use English, particularly draw, and reverse spin on bank shots to
increase or dampen the carom. I also use follow, so it could be said I'm an
English shooter.
I want something that is going to last. I like a table that has a thicker
felt rather than a flat slick surface.
I clean my table regularly, brushing it more often than vacuuming. I don't
have many people play on my table. No slam bammin allowed.
I don't let people sit or sit things on my table. Just me and SWMBO in the
house, but occasionally guests.
I want something that's easy to work with, not having tendencies to be
quirky about installation techniques, or prone to tearing.
I want something that's going to hold its color pretty well in a sunny room.
Not much direct light, but just sunny.
There, I've tried to give as much info as I can. If I missed something, ask
me.
I'm going to do it myself, and think I can do it. I moved this three piece
slate once, and it wasn't hard at all. I just don't want to spend about
$250 for felt, and find out I shouldda got something else.
Also, I'd like to keep it under $300 for felt, and what I've priced so far
is around $225-$250 for Simonis.
Thanks in advance.
Steve
Ron Shepard
"Steve B" <desert...@dishmail.net> wrote:
[...]
> I want something that is going to last. I like a table that has a thicker
> felt rather than a flat slick surface.
The tendency is for the thinner cloths to cost more and to last longer.
The thicker cloths are cheaper but they pill (the threads twist together
and form little balls) and in general wear faster.
[...]
> I want something that's going to hold its color pretty well in a sunny room.
> Not much direct light, but just sunny.
If the sun is not directly on the cloth, then I don't think it matters
much.
> I'm going to do it myself, and think I can do it.
There are a few books and installation pamphlets available. You might
want to get one of these just for reference. If you are good working
with tools, and you take your time (measure twice, cut once), you should
be able to do it. The trickiest part is covering the cushions, and that
is where having a good reference might come in handy.
> I moved this three piece
> slate once, and it wasn't hard at all. I just don't want to spend about
> $250 for felt, and find out I shouldda got something else.
>
> Also, I'd like to keep it under $300 for felt, and what I've priced so far
> is around $225-$250 for Simonis.
Simonis has a good reputation, along with a few other brands (e.g.
Granito).
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Carter Adams
Here are my suggestions. If you play in leagues or tournaments, find
out what cloth is used by the place you play the most - and buy that.
Otherwise, get Simonis 860 or the equivalent Granito (I'm not familiar
with it as it's not generally available around here, but it has a very
good reputation). Either of these should last years in a home
environment.
And, if you've never recovered a table and can't find a helper that
has - buy a book. I've heard good things about the one Mark0, who
posts a good bit here has written, though I've never seen it. The
rails are the tricky part, there's some info on the web, but it'll be
very much hit and miss...
GOOD LUCK!
~Carter
Mark0
> Carter Adams wrote:
>
> > Here are my suggestions. If you play in leagues or tournaments, find
> > out what cloth is used by the place you play the most - and buy that.
> > Otherwise, get Simonis 860 or the equivalent Granito (I'm not familiar
> > with it as it's not generally available around here, but it has a very
> > good reputation). Either of these should last years in a home
> > environment.
>
> Good advice... 860 is what I like, not too slow, not too fast.
> And it's more accurately called cloth, not felt....
Baize, even...
--Mark0 <--Granito Basalt guy
Author of Secrets to a Perfect Pool Table Recovering Job
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Jack Stein
> I am going to redo my table. I was leaning towards Simonis 860, but then
> discussions have mentioned other styles.
> So, let me describe my pool ability, and then you can say if I need the 860,
> or another.
Good cloth always rolls better than the cheap stuff. Fast cloth is good
because you can play with finesse rather than pound the balls. Unless
you are an 8 or 10 year old, I would buy a good woven cloth because they
just play better. The two choices I know about, are Simonis 860 and
Granito Basalt. Granito is very very close to Simonis from what I can tell.
> I want something that is going to last. I like a table that has a thicker
> felt rather than a flat slick surface.
I think they all last long time on home table, particularly if you don't
have jerks practicing masse shots, spilling beer on it, sitting on it
and so on. My buddy replace his Simonis after only a few years, but it
was still in really good shape. I was going to take it and put it on my
table, but then found out most of the reason I couldn't draw on his
table was the cloth. I never had that much of a problem on other
Simonis cloth, or any cloth for that matter.
> I clean my table regularly, brushing it more often than vacuuming. I don't
> have many people play on my table. No slam bammin allowed.
Your cloth should last at least 5 years, probably 10 years.
> I want something that's easy to work with, not having tendencies to be
> quirky about installation techniques, or prone to tearing.
I've only installed two cloths in my life, both on the same antique 9'
table. One was Simonis 860 and one was Granito Basalt. Both installed
the same, meaning one was not harder than the other. On a scale of 1 to
10, 10 being the hardest, I'd rate difficulty at a 1 or a 2. Gutting
your bathroom and redoing everything I'd rate at an 8 0r 9. Building
your own kitchen cabinets and installing them I'd rate at a 6 or 7, just
for perspective, and I've done both.
If I were a little uncomfortable at how to go about it, I'd buy Marko's
little book on installing cloth, primarily because he is an RSB guy and
a good one at that... I've been thinking of buying it anyway just to
see how it's really done:-)
> I'm going to do it myself, and think I can do it. I moved this three piece
> slate once, and it wasn't hard at all. I just don't want to spend about
> $250 for felt, and find out I shouldda got something else.
> Also, I'd like to keep it under $300 for felt, and what I've priced so far
> is around $225-$250 for Simonis.
Granito is a good bit cheaper than the Simonis, and after installing it
and playing on it, I can say I can't see any difference. I'd probably
go for the Granito. On the other hand, Simonis is a standard, and more
importantly, they support pool in a big way, and are always advertising
on TV billiards shows, and I never recall seeing Granito advertising
anywhere. Perhaps thats why Granito is cheaper? If it means anything
to you to support the sport, I guess I'd go with Simonis for that reason.
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Jack
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Steve B
"Jack Stein" <jbst...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I've remodeled five houses in the last five years. Built two new
residences. Just did two bathrooms, complete gutting, new custom cut tile
showers and granite tops. (I didn't do the granite, but everything else.)
I build LOTS of "stuff" in my welding shop. I keep the rancho running, as
well as bailing out neighbors. I really think I can do this recover, just
like to ask questions first to avoid common, ovbious or hidden pitfalls.
One can learn a lot by asking.
Then listening.
I think I'm leaning towards the Granito, now.
Steve
Steve
David "The Hamster" Malone
> I think I'm leaning towards the Granito, now.
I have Granito Basalt on my home table and have never regretted it.
FWIW, I showed a couple of swathes (Simonis 860 and Granito Basalt) to
my neighbor who has been a tailor for 60 years and he suggested I go
with the Granito. Incidentally, if you think he may not know what he's
talking about, he correctly identified the origin (Spain vs Belgium),
plus the weight, thread count, worsted, etc. of each swathe
immediately on sight.
Both are fine worsted cloths but in his opinion, the Garnito has a
more consistent weave and was therefore likely to last longer.
YMMV.
David "The Hamster" Malone
Steve B
"sittingduck" <du...@spamherelots.com> wrote in message
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> Steve B wrote:
>
>> One can learn a lot by asking.
>> Then listening.
>> I think I'm leaning towards the Granito, now.
>
> priced.
> Has lots of pictures, too. :)
I'm sure the url has been posted, but could you post it again? I'll file it
this time, promise.
Steve
Mark0
Thanks for the referral Sheldon. My sig has the URL Steve.
--Mark0
Author of Secrets to a Perfect Pool Table Recovering Job
http://www.mccauleyweb.com/secrets.htm
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