9-ball when to push-out
Werner
I don't get it... so im missing out.. and that's no fun :)
Werner
Bill
give your opponent ball-in-hand if you don't push out and attempt to hit
the ball.
Also in theory, you would try to push out to a shot which you could make,
but your opponent would have difficulty making. For example, if you are
good at bank shots, but your opponent is not, then push out to a bank shot,
then your opponent will either give it back to you (in which case you would
make the shot) or attempt the shot (in which case your opponent would
probably miss).
Also you can hit other balls with push shot and change the lay of the
table. Want to re-arrange anything?
In practice... Well that is another thing....
"Werner" wrote in message
Ron Shepard
"Werner" <ja...@gauda.com> wrote:
> Can someone describe a good situation when and even why to use push-out?
> I don't get it... so im missing out.. and that's no fun :)
If you are playing against an equally skilled player, then the goal
of a push-out is to leave a position in which the chances of winning
the game are 50% whether the option is accepted or rejected. It
then follows that you should play a push-out when you have a poor
position (say, less than 50%) after the break, and you can achieve a
good push-out (close to 50%). More generally, as with any other
shot, you should execute a push out when it is the best option to
improve your chances of winning.
If you are playing against a weaker player, then you can exploit
that skill difference by pushing out to a shot, or to a possible
safety position, that you can make better than your opponent. Kick
safeties and jump shots are often used this way.
If you are in a really bad position after the break (say a 10%
position), and if you can push out to an 80/20% position, then you
have doubled your chances of winning, even though you are still
expecting to lose that game. In other words, you can push out to
cut your losses.
If your opponent is some kind of a dufus with poor judgment, then
you might be able to push out to a 60/40 or 70/30 position, and
reasonably expect him to take the wrong choice. In other words, you
can set a little bit of a trap for a cowboy or a showoff.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Mike Page
> Can someone describe a good situation when and even why to use push-out?
As you get up to the table first shot after the break, look at the table
and decide which of the following statements applies:
A: I'm glad I'm at the table, or
B: I'd prefer my opponent was at the table facing this layout.
If A, then shoot.
If B, then pushout.
Although there are some subtleties, in general the object is to change
the layout so that it's about a tie between A and B.
*****
Here are some clear push-out situations.
1. You fear you can't make a good hit on the low-numbered ball.
solution: push to where you can make a good hit but have no easy shot
and no easy safety.
2. The nine-ball is in the jaws of a pocket. You cannot hit or fear
you can't pocket the low numbered ball.
solution: knock in the nineball (it then gets spotted), leaving a tough
shot on the low-numbered ball.
Jimbo Ct
most cases you should push out every time you are not 95% sure you can make a
good hit on the lowest ball.
Jim <---If the 9 is a hanger make it on the push every time
Jtiche
Your opponents don't get upset over this? I've encountered a few players who
seemed to get a trifle peeved when I did this.
Aunty Dan
them and move on. 3 Foul them out if you can, just to watch them sweat.
On the tactical side if you are playing a game handicapped by spotting your
opponent a ball don't forget to look for a chance to make the spot ball with
a push after the break, even if you can see the 1 OK. (Unless they had to
sense to specify the spot ball goes back on the spot if made out of turn, in
which case only do this if it is hanging, just like the 9.)
As your opponent is a weaker player (Or else they'd be giving you a spot)
they are not likely to run the rack all the way to the 9 even if you leave
them an open shot at the 1.
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> >Jim <---If the 9 is a hanger make it on the push every time
>
> Your opponents don't get upset over this? I'v e encountered a few
players who
> seemed to get a trifle peeved when I did this.1
Jimbo Ct
Not yet, real players understand the move and I try not to play hacks. I think
it's a smart play no matter what because when the 9 is a hanger it changes the
game to much. It's always on your mind it adds pressure. You can never
concentrate on the run out it's always on your mind that you should play
position for the combo, if the opponent is a stronger player chances are he'll
no more ways to play it then you and if he is weaker then chances are he will
screw the table up bad when he tries to whack the shit out of the balls every
time he gets a chance. I guess it boils down to if you are normally a lucky
player.
Jim <----Never lucky
Bvinco
If an opponent gets upset because I do something to increase my odds of winning
(which is the point, right?), then I don't worry about it very much.
Becky
Pat Hall
Bill wrote:
> In theory, you would do this when you don't have a shot and are likely to
> give your opponent ball-in-hand if you don't push out and attempt to hit
> the ball.
>
> Also in theory, you would try to push out to a shot which you could make,
> but your opponent would have difficulty making. For example, if you are
> good at bank shots, but your opponent is not, then push out to a bank shot,
> then your opponent will either give it back to you (in which case you would
> make the shot) or attempt the shot (in which case your opponent would
> probably miss).
LOL I remember I was playing in a 9-ball tournament once and after
breaking I decide I had to push, carefully studied the table and decided
a push to a bank was my best bet. Pushed my opponent to a fairly
difficult bank and proudly stood up only to suddenly think "Oh crap I'm
playing a guy called BANKIN Bobby Brown" Oooops. He made the bank and
ran out.
JohnA(Kent,WA)
"Werner" <ja...@gauda.com> wrote in message
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> Can someone describe a good situation when and even why to use push-out?
> I don't get it... so im missing out.. and that's no fun :)
>
> Werner
>
Your playing a race to 9. The match is 8-8 and your opponent has just broke
and left you this. If you don't call push and miss the 1, you lose.
Even if you call push and sink the 9 you may lose, depending on your
opponents ability. But you have to give yourself a chance.
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Werner
My understanding of push-out has been greatly enhanced.
btw... if I call push-out and sink the 9 so it's re-spotted - does my
opponent have ball in hand or does he have to play / let me play from where
the cue ball stops?
Werner
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"Werner" <ja...@gauda.com> wrote in message
> btw... if I call push-out and sink the 9 so it's re-spotted - does my
> opponent have ball in hand or does he have to play / let me play from
where
> the cue ball stops?
>
> Werner
>
Since you called "Push-out" he does not have ball in hand. The nine is
spotted and he has the option of taking the shot or making you shoot again.
The only time there is ball in hand after a push out is called, is if the CB
goes into a pocket or leaves the table. Don't laugh, I've seen it happen.:-)
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JohnA(Kent,WA)
Bob Jewett
> The only time there is ball in hand after a push out is called,
> is if the CB goes into a pocket or leaves the table. Don't
> laugh, I've seen it happen.:-)
A small nit to pick here.... The only rules suspended during a
push out are the "bad hit" rule and the "no rail" rule. All other
rules are still in force. For example, the pusher-outer might
double-hit the cue ball.
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Patrick Johnson
> ... if I call push-out and sink the 9 so it's re-spotted - does my
> opponent have ball in hand or does he have to play / let me play from where
> the cue ball stops?
He or you play from where the cue ball stops. There's no requirement to
hit any ball or to hit a rail and no prohibition against hitting and/or
pocketing any ball, including the 1 ball or the 9 ball. You have to
spot the 9-ball if you pocket it and maybe, depending on the agreement,
any other "money" balls, but any other pocketed balls stay down.
Unless you scratch in some way OTHER THAN (1) not hitting the lowest
ball first or (2) not hitting a rail (both of which are legal on a
pushout), your pushout is legal. Some examples of ILLEGAL PUSHOUTS are:
pocketing the cue ball, double-hitting or pushing the cue ball,
miscueing on a jump shot, jumping a ball off the table, interfering with
moving balls.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
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Ah jeeze, as usual you have all this backwards and don't have a clue,
learn how to break right and there is no push out, did that one every
occur to you...
da Ding Dong Daddy...
RWMCT
two fouls ball in hand all the time). It will refine your sense of when to
push, as well as give you a sense of what nine ball was like a few years ago..
I was flabbergasted at the question that started this post. Credit to you
all for answering it, rather than just being appalled that it was asked.
Rich: much prefered push out nine ball, though had a much better chance under
current rules. Beating a guy who is a smart player, or a better player, was
awful difficult under push out rules. With ball in hand you have a better
chance of riding a good tide and eeking out a W.