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Anthony Sloan

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Nov 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/19/99
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I inherited a Richard Black '82 from my father.

Linen wrap, two shafts and a non pointed butt. It is in excellent
shape.

Any thoughts?

A
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My hands are full of thorns but I can't quit groping for the rose.

Richard Black

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Nov 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/19/99
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If your fathers name was Steve Sloan, I made a cue for him in Nov of '82
and it was not expensive. Sold new, with one shaft for $125. If I were
to make that same cue today it would be about $500.
R Black

Anthony Sloan wrote:

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Anthony Sloan

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Nov 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/19/99
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That was him, thanks for your research.

Best,

John Walkup

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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Richard Black wrote:
>
> If your fathers name was Steve Sloan, I made a cue for him in Nov of '82
> and it was not expensive. Sold new, with one shaft for $125. If I were
> to make that same cue today it would be about $500.
> R Black

Geeeez, Richard. Why not put at least a LITTLE vagueness in your
responses.
Something like "If I recall, I made a cue for someone named Sloan, or
could
it have been Stone, in the early 1980s (or was it the late 1970s?). It
would
be worth under a thousand. Maybe."


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Top quality custom cues by :
Michael Capone Russ Espiritu Nova Cues Inc. Greg Winningham

Ken Bour

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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Wow!!!

Couldn't help but be impressed with Richard's recollection and/or excellent
record-keeping!!!

It's stuff like this that keeps me coming back for more...

--
Ken Bour
Sterling, VA
http://www.erols.com/kbour


Richard Black <bla...@neosoft.com> wrote in message
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> If your fathers name was Steve Sloan, I made a cue for him in Nov of '82
> and it was not expensive. Sold new, with one shaft for $125. If I were
> to make that same cue today it would be about $500.
> R Black
>

Anthony Sloan

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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John Walkup wrote:


>
> Richard Black wrote:
> >
> > If your fathers name was Steve Sloan, I made a cue for him in Nov of '82
> > and it was not expensive. Sold new, with one shaft for $125. If I were
> > to make that same cue today it would be about $500.
> > R Black
>

> Geeeez, Richard. Why not put at least a LITTLE vagueness in your
> responses.
> Something like "If I recall, I made a cue for someone named Sloan, or
> could
> it have been Stone, in the early 1980s (or was it the late 1970s?). It
> would
> be worth under a thousand. Maybe."
>
> --
> The Cue Gallery http://www.cuegallery.com
>
> Top quality custom cues by :
> Michael Capone Russ Espiritu Nova Cues Inc. Greg Winningham


As an appraiser of rare books and oriental rugs, I appreciate the
direct, no-nonsense reply.

BTW, I'm lurking now.

Hehe.

jbs...@bellatlantic.net

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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In <383694...@telepath.com>, on 11/20/99
at 12:35 PM, John Walkup <cue...@telepath.com> said:

>Richard Black wrote:
>>
>> If your fathers name was Steve Sloan, I made a cue for him in Nov of '82
>> and it was not expensive. Sold new, with one shaft for $125. If I were
>> to make that same cue today it would be about $500.
>> R Black

$125 in 1982 is about $215 in 1999. I'd imagine 17 years more experience
in making cues is worth it, not to mention a name with a great history.

I wouldn't sell my fathers cue though, if he had one. All I got was a
tennis racquet... Oh, and a set of golf clubs. I don't do either, but I
ain't selling them either, I'm a junk collector. Wish he would have had a
RBlack cue...

Jack
----------------------------------------------------------
jbs...@bellatlantic.net
-----------------------------------------------------------


Richard Black

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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I keep records of every cue I have made and all the specs. When someone asks
an honest question, they deserve an honest answer. I can never tell a person
what a cue is worth - only what I would charge to remake it. Somehow, that
seems fair to me and most people I know.
R Black

John Walkup wrote:

> Richard Black wrote:
> >
> > If your fathers name was Steve Sloan, I made a cue for him in Nov of '82
> > and it was not expensive. Sold new, with one shaft for $125. If I were
> > to make that same cue today it would be about $500.
> > R Black
>

> Geeeez, Richard. Why not put at least a LITTLE vagueness in your
> responses.
> Something like "If I recall, I made a cue for someone named Sloan, or
> could
> it have been Stone, in the early 1980s (or was it the late 1970s?). It
> would
> be worth under a thousand. Maybe."
>
> --
> The Cue Gallery http://www.cuegallery.com
>
> Top quality custom cues by :
> Michael Capone Russ Espiritu Nova Cues Inc. Greg Winningham

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http://www.neosoft.com/~blackq

LEON3MN

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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>
>As an appraiser of rare books and oriental rugs, I appreciate the
>direct, no-nonsense reply.
>
>BTW, I'm lurking now.
>
>Hehe.
>
>A
>--
>My hands are full of thorns but I can't quit groping for the rose.
>
>
Here's something that involves both your expertise and pool in general. I
have the Playboy edition which contains the original short story, "The
Hustler", which, as everyone knows, became a book then a movie of the same
name.

Now, this Playboy edition is, unfortunately, not totally intact. Someone took
the centerfold (this was of Marilyn Monroe, I believe), so the magazine has
lost a considerable amount of value.

Now, if I were to cut the cover and the Hustler article only and mount them in
a glass frame, would that be acceptable in the 'rare books' world as a fitting
rendering of this magazine? I mean, would that give value back to this
magazine and be acceptable as a rare collectable? Is this something done with
other rare books where portions of them may have value to certain collectors
even if the book itself is somehow rendered unworthy of collecting because of
its overall condition or noncompleteness?

LeonW

Frank Brent

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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In article <19991120142300...@ng-fw1.aol.com>,

Leon, what is the month and year of the Playboy edition which contains
the original short story, "The Hustler".

Thanks.

--
Frank B


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CSmith4738

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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>Now, this Playboy edition is, unfortunately, not totally intact. Someone
>took
>the centerfold (this was of Marilyn Monroe, I believe), so the magazine has
>lost a considerable amount of value.

Depends on how you look at it.....<g>

But never when you are playin pool....
(just to make my post pool related)

Clark<-----picture reader


Fred Agnir

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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Frank Brent wrote in message <817114$v8t$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...

>Leon, what is the month and year of the Playboy edition which contains
>the original short story, "The Hustler".
>


In case anyone didn't know, the original short story "The Hustler" can be
found in Byrne's Great Pool Stories.

Regards,

Fred Agnir

Smorgass Bored

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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Walkup wrote :
The last time I looked I was just J-O-K-I-N-G!
You know, as in "ha ha."
Tough crowd.

(*<~ John,just stick to what you do best and let ME do the
jokes........

I can take the heat,

Doug W.
~>*)))>< Big fish eat Little fish ><(((*<~




John Walkup

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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The last time I looked I was just J-O-K-I-N-G!

You know, as in "ha ha."

Tough crowd.

--

Bob Johnson

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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I'll bet Ardie has something to do with Richard's record keeping and
recall skills. ;>)

On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:51:10 -0600, Richard Black <bla...@neosoft.com>
wrote:

>I keep records of every cue I have made and all the specs. When someone asks
>an honest question, they deserve an honest answer. I can never tell a person
>what a cue is worth - only what I would charge to remake it. Somehow, that
>seems fair to me and most people I know.
>R Black
>
>John Walkup wrote:
>
>> Richard Black wrote:
>> >
>> > If your fathers name was Steve Sloan, I made a cue for him in Nov of '82
>> > and it was not expensive. Sold new, with one shaft for $125. If I were
>> > to make that same cue today it would be about $500.
>> > R Black
>>
>> Geeeez, Richard. Why not put at least a LITTLE vagueness in your
>> responses.
>> Something like "If I recall, I made a cue for someone named Sloan, or
>> could
>> it have been Stone, in the early 1980s (or was it the late 1970s?). It
>> would
>> be worth under a thousand. Maybe."
>>

>> --
>> The Cue Gallery http://www.cuegallery.com
>>
>> Top quality custom cues by :
>> Michael Capone Russ Espiritu Nova Cues Inc. Greg Winningham
>

>--
>http://www.neosoft.com/~blackq
>
>


Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
Home of the back to back World Champion Broncos!

LEON3MN

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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>
>Leon, what is the month and year of the Playboy edition which contains
>the original short story, "The Hustler".
>
>Thanks.
>

Now that you've asked, I searched for the mag ( I thought I had it in a
bathroom cabinet). I now realize I packed it away with all the other magazines
about a year ago. I'll have to dig for it to be sure of the year/month, but I
believe it was the first edition, with MM as the centerfold (around 1957?)

Leon

LEON3MN

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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>
>In case anyone didn't know, the original short story "The Hustler" can be
>found in Byrne's Great Pool Stories.
>
>Regards,
>
>Fred Agnir


That may be true, but there's nothing like seeing it in the original magazine
with the ads and pics and all...

LeonW

Ron Hudson

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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And the interviews....... I know that's why I always bought it.

Ron


Anthony Sloan

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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LEON3MN wrote:

> Here's something that involves both your expertise and pool in general. I
> have the Playboy edition which contains the original short story, "The
> Hustler", which, as everyone knows, became a book then a movie of the same
> name.
>

> Now, this Playboy edition is, unfortunately, not totally intact. Someone took
> the centerfold (this was of Marilyn Monroe, I believe), so the magazine has
> lost a considerable amount of value.
>

> Now, if I were to cut the cover and the Hustler article only and mount them in
> a glass frame, would that be acceptable in the 'rare books' world as a fitting
> rendering of this magazine? I mean, would that give value back to this
> magazine and be acceptable as a rare collectable? Is this something done with
> other rare books where portions of them may have value to certain collectors
> even if the book itself is somehow rendered unworthy of collecting because of
> its overall condition or noncompleteness?
>
> LeonW


There are two ways of looking at value.

The first, in the corpse-cold world of quantifiable rare book value,
demands "intact, intact, intact!" To this end the issue you describe
has already suffered a blow to it's value. However it will maintain its
value best if left as is.

The second determinor of value lies with you. If you never plan on
selling it and if it will be more satisfying to you framed and mounted,
then that should suffice.

Otto's Landing

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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> Wow!!!
>
> Couldn't help but be impressed with Richard's recollection and/or
excellent
> record-keeping!!!
>
> It's stuff like this that keeps me coming back for more...
>
> --
> Ken Bour


Ken ,

I agree. The recollection is a sign of a man that puts his heart into his
work. It alone speaks volumes. More than any ad.

Otto

lfigueroa

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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If memory serves, I recall it was also reprinted in some sort of "Best of"
or Playboy anniversary compilation (magazine style) that passed through my
sweaty teenage paws sometime back in the late sixties or seventies.

Lou Figueroa

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Michael Carpenter

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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LEON3MN wrote:
> >Leon, what is the month and year of the Playboy edition which contains
> >the original short story, "The Hustler".
> believe it was the first edition, with MM as the centerfold (around 1957?)

January, 1957. The 1st issue with MM was 1953.

mcc <----- veritable dearth of knowledge...

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sam

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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MCC, I'll bet that was cute. A four year old penis. Of course if you ask
MM, he will probably tell you that it was already 7 inches long. Ha Ha
Sincerely, Sam


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Michael Carpenter

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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sam wrote:
> MCC, I'll bet that was cute. A four year old penis. Of course if you ask
> MM, he will probably tell you that it was already 7 inches long. Ha Ha
> Sincerely, Sam

Um... Sam. I'm pretty sure the reference was to Marilyn Monroe. You
know, like on the McDermott cue?

Mountain Mike (MM^^) is posing for PlayGIRL.

mcc <----- and even *I* won't put *his* picture on a cue... the longest
I make are 60".

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Mountain Mike^^

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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Michael Carpenter wrote in message <3838D8...@sprintmail.com>...

>mcc <----- and even *I* won't put *his* picture on a cue... the longest
>I make are 60".
>
Well, do you make surfboards or such? Just a thought. MM^^

Mountain Mike^^

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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Michael Carpenter wrote in message <3838CC...@sprintmail.com>...
>January, 1957. The 1st issue with MM was 1953.
>
How'd I look back then? It was still growing, ya know? MM

sam

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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In article <3838D8...@sprintmail.com>, Michael says...
>

MCC, Marilyn Monroe, Mountain Mike, What's in a name. Ha Ha I thought you
were trying to tell us MM (our MM) was showing his dick off at 4 years old. Ha
Ha Sincerely, Sam

>sam wrote:
>> MCC, I'll bet that was cute. A four year old penis. Of course if you ask
>> MM, he will probably tell you that it was already 7 inches long. Ha Ha
>> Sincerely, Sam
>
>Um... Sam. I'm pretty sure the reference was to Marilyn Monroe. You
>know, like on the McDermott cue?
>
>Mountain Mike (MM^^) is posing for PlayGIRL.
>

>mcc <----- and even *I* won't put *his* picture on a cue... the longest
>I make are 60".
>

>--
>http://home.sprintmail.com/~mcarp
>


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