optimum ferrule length
sam
your wife, I'm sure she'll tell you little ferrules work just as well as big
ferrules. There is no optimum length for a ferrule Brad. Is your ferrule
working Brad? Do you like the feel of your ferrule? See, it's okay Brad.
Ha Ha Sincerely, Sam
Bradley E. Robertson wrote in message
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>I know that Byrne and Jewett like a short ferrule, Meucci has a long
>ferrule, and Predator has a 3/4" ferrule. I am looking for opinions on the
>optimum length of a ferrule.
>
>Brad
Bradley E. Robertson
MULLY
Brad, it's not the size of the ferrule, it's the motion in the ocean.
MULLY
Frank in Richmond, Va.
why ;-)
Frank
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Ed from
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.. . .oh yeah,
Brad
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Steve Hegg
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>ferrule, and Predator has a 3/4" ferrule. I am looking for opinions on the
>optimum length of a ferrule.
Here's my own wrong opinion, Brad,
I don't know for sure that anyone could pin down an optimum ferrule length
that could be applied to all cases.
The original purpose of the ferrule was to provide a better bonding suface
when trying to glue a tip to a shaft. Remember in the old days, the glues
weren't nearly as advanced and versatile as today. So the ferrule was
developed because the glue would bond better to the ferrule material (often
ivory back then) than it would to the wood. Nowadays, these superglues will
bond to darn near anything right away, and the only issue with them is how
brittle they might become over time.
People also figured out that an added benefit of the ferrule was that it
protected the end of the shaft when it came to reapplying tips and playing
the games (no splintering or cracking of the wood at the tip.
Over time people also figured out that different materials would produce
different types of feel and hits. I don't think anyone made this kind of
assumption going in.
Generally speaking, my experience has shown that a shorter length ferrule
will produce a firmer hit and a longer length ferrule will produce a softer
hit.
With respect to materials, ivory ferrules generally hit much softer than
fiber ferrules, with other fiber/expoy ferrule like aegis and melamine
falling somewhere in between. Some of the cuemakers out there might want to
chime in with some more detailed opinions.
There's a trade-off in there somewhere with respect to materials and length
versus the type of hit produced.
In lieu of some detailed empirical evidence I guess you kind of have to
experiment with various kinds of setups and figure out what you like.
Everytime I see something different in a cue, I try to ask the owner if I
could hit a couple of balls with it to see how it feels. Then I make some
mental notes on what I saw and what I felt.
For me personally, I tend to prefer to have my tips as soft as reasonably
possible and the rest of my cue (including the ferrule) as stiff as
possible. For me, that is the best way to get the feel of the cue ball in my
grip hand when the tip and ball are in contact.
Hope this info helps answer your question,
Steve
Mike Page
<stev...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Bradley E. Robertson wrote in message
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> >
> >I know that Byrne and Jewett like a short ferrule, Meucci has a long
> >ferrule, and Predator has a 3/4" ferrule. I am looking for opinions on the
> >optimum length of a ferrule.
>
>
> Here's my own wrong opinion, Brad,
>
[...]
> With respect to materials, ivory ferrules generally hit much softer than
> fiber ferrules, with other fiber/expoy ferrule like aegis and melamine
> falling somewhere in between. Some of the cuemakers out there might want to
> chime in with some more detailed opinions.
Steve, (or anybody) what is the density of these materials relative to
that of maple?
what is a predator ferrule made of?
--
mike page
fargo
Ron Shepard
[...]
>The original purpose of the ferrule was to provide a better bonding suface
>when trying to glue a tip to a shaft. [...]
>
>People also figured out that an added benefit of the ferrule was that it
>protected the end of the shaft when it came to reapplying tips and playing
>the games (no splintering or cracking of the wood at the tip. [...]
I would have guessed that these two things were reversed. There are lots
of wooden objects that have ferrule-like things on them (leather or metal)
to keep them from splintering, from walking canes and walking sticks to
tent poles to horse harnesses, and none of these have cue tips attached to
them. Does anyone know if cue sticks had ferrules on them before the
leather tip was invented?
Regarding ferrule length, I have never compared two sticks in which the
only difference was ferrule length. Pool cues usually have longer
ferrules than billiard cues, but there are other differences too, such as
overall length and shaft tapers. Snooker cues usually have short metal
ferrules, but they have different tapers than pool cues and they are
usually made of ash instead of maple.
When I bought my old cue about 28 years ago, it had a long ferrule on it.
I figured that was good because I could replace tips on it for a long time
before I sanded it down. I played with that cue for 25 years and never
came close to sanding away the ferrule.
There are some other differences in ferrules that might affect how they
play. Besides length and material, which have been mentioned in other
posts, there is also the wall diameter; some ferrules are thicker than
others. Some ferrules slip over the wood tenon, others have threads that
screw onto the threaded wood tenon, and others are attached to the shaft
with metal screws. Some ferrules are "open", so that the tip touches the
wood tenon underneath, and others are "closed" (or "capped"), so that the
tip only touches the ferrule material. The Predator ferrule is unusual
also; it attaches to an insert which then slips inside the hollowed out
end of the shaft.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Bob Johnson
hitting shafts, such as the American and European, (the shaft Byrne uses),
and a longer ferrule on the Schuler Pro, and softer. His firmer shafts are
also the smaller tips, ranging from 12 mm to 12.5 mm, while the Schuler Pro,
(my favorite), is a 12.75 with the rest being 13. I'm not sure if the tip
size and ferrule length are related or not.
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
Home of the back to back World Champion Broncos!
bo...@cris.com
Bradley E. Robertson <br...@whidbey.com> wrote in message
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> I know that Byrne and Jewett like a short ferrule, Meucci has a long
> ferrule, and Predator has a 3/4" ferrule. I am looking for opinions on
the
> optimum length of a ferrule.
>
> Brad
Tom Simpson
Shepard) wrote:
::The Predator ferrule is unusual
::also; it attaches to an insert which then slips inside the hollowed out
::end of the shaft.
::
::$.02 -Ron Shepard
They also say the ferrule is a "proprietary material". I
assume (if it's not hype) that the material is lighter in
weight than the other ferrule materials, to reduce endmass
(to reduce squirt). Does anyone know?
tom simpson
Tom Simpson
::Bradley E. Robertson <br...@whidbey.com> wrote in message
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::> I know that Byrne and Jewett like a short ferrule, Meucci has a long
::> ferrule, and Predator has a 3/4" ferrule. I am looking for opinions on
::the
::> optimum length of a ferrule.
::>
::> Brad
::
In the absence of a good reason to make the ferrule some
other length, I'd go with 1-1/8", the radius of a ball.
Seeing that length all the time, and having it handy to help
you judge the makeability of shots, could be helpful.
tom simpson
Phil Freedenberg
radius of a ball? That makes it a useful measurement tool, at least
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Ron Shepard wrote in message ...
>tip only touches the ferrule material. The Predator ferrule is unusual
Jay
material. I guess this could be considered a proprietary material. It is
supposed to be very soft also, making it much more prone to getting
scratches.
Tom Simpson wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:40:33 -0500, she...@tcg.anl.gov (Ron
> Shepard) wrote:
>
> ::The Predator ferrule is unusual
> ::also; it attaches to an insert which then slips inside the hollowed out
> ::end of the shaft.
> ::
> ::$.02 -Ron Shepard
>
Jay
But this is a great idea. I never thought about it before. But if you kept
changing tips, the ferrule would get shorter and shorter, unless you changed the
ferrules at the same time. Also, I'll be getting a Predator shaft and they only
make them with 3/4" ferrules.
Phil Freedenberg wrote:
> >tip only touches the ferrule material. The Predator ferrule is unusual
Aaron Berg
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I never thought about it before. But if you kept
> changing tips, the ferrule would get shorter and shorter, unless you
changed the ferrules at the same time.
> >
Aaron(MN)