Steve Davis' cue?
Bob Green
utmost resect for Steve Davis's pool game, he was shooting with the
ugliest stick I've ever seen! The shaft had linear streaks in it with a
short brass ferrule....Any body know where he got it or who makes it?
Seemed to me to be a real statement about function of a cue vs. artistic
value!
I'm sure a few custom cue makers just turned over in their graves!
Cheers
Bob
Jason Batley
He is probably just using a converted snooker cue. I don't know 'cos I
didn't see it, but if I had I would probably be able to tell you the
manufacturer. I don't know how well snooker cues would be suited to pool
(apart from the obvious tip size difference.) I can tell you though that I
have used a US pool cue (apparently a good one,) at snooker and it was as
responsive as a wet lettuce. Why on earth do they have pieces of plastic on
the end? A brass ferrule is there to stop the wood splitting and is about
1mm wall thickness - is this the same as a good US cue?
Linear Stripes? Not sure what you mean - do you mean that the wood was
grained i.e. Ash or do you mean the splices at the base of the cue? If you
are referring to the splices then again it is the normal manufacturer
method of 99% of UK cues. Splices that are pointy at the end are usually
machine spliced whereas more rounded ones tend to be hand spliced.
I used to play with a Canadian pool player called Lance Mason, and before
he went back to Canada he had a cue specially made in the UK with a 12 or
13mm tip to use at 9-ball. He said that he couldn't buy a decent cue over
in North America. I've always wondered why there was such a big difference
in the manufacture of US & UK cues, maybe someone could enlighten
me..........
Kind Regards
Jason Batley
gide...@my-deja.com
Bob Green <robg...@cvm.tamu.edu> wrote:
> I was watching Cardiff Championship last night & although I have the
> utmost resect for Steve Davis's pool game, he was shooting with the
> ugliest stick I've ever seen! The shaft had linear streaks in it with
a
> short brass ferrule....Any body know where he got it or who makes it?
> Seemed to me to be a real statement about function of a cue vs.
artistic
> value!
> I'm sure a few custom cue makers just turned over in their graves!
IIRC, Steve was playing with a "hybrid" pool/snooker cue. It was 12 mm
wide, made of ash (hence the linear streaks), with the snooker style
ferrule. I believe he had it custom made by whoever makes his snooker
cues. I believe that the story was that he found this "hybrid" easier
to adjust to than a "normal" pool cue, but the 12 mm tip somewhat
better suited to the larger balls than his snooker cue.
Regards,
Gideon
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QuantumDot
Bob Green wrote:
>
> I was watching Cardiff Championship last night & although I have the
> utmost resect for Steve Davis's pool game, he was shooting with the
> ugliest stick I've ever seen! The shaft had linear streaks in it with a
> short brass ferrule....Any body know where he got it or who makes it?
> Seemed to me to be a real statement about function of a cue vs. artistic
> value!
> I'm sure a few custom cue makers just turned over in their graves!
> Cheers
> Bob
Ash is not a pretty wood, IMHO.
Steve
Patrick Johnson
> I was watching Cardiff Championship last night & although I have the
> utmost resect for Steve Davis's pool game, he was shooting with the
> ugliest stick I've ever seen! The shaft had linear streaks in it with a
> short brass ferrule....Any body know where he got it or who makes it?
Sounds to me like a typical snooker shaft made of ash. Ash has an
obvious, open grain that's often mistaken for oak. I don't know why
ash is favored for snooker shafts, but I see them even here in Chicago
(usually in the hands of someone from elsewhere).
Pat Johnson
Chicago
Bruce Boyd
>Steve Davis was shooting with the ugliest stick I've ever
>seen! The shaft had linear streaks in it with a short brass
>ferrule....Any body know where he got it or who makes it?
That's a standard ash snooker shaft w/standard brass ferrule except that he
had it custom built for pool. It's 11 mm instead of the regular 9-10 mm
snooker tip. I think John Paris made it for him?? You'd expect it to be a
little heavier than a compareable snooker cue, but I never heard any mention
of weight during my watching of that tourney.
--
Bruce
Protection Island
Clinton Tindall
commentators. Wasn't it great to be able to watch the 3-4 hours of that
tournament every day? Finally Canadian TV did something right.
Clinton< wishes more billiards was on Canadian TV
gide...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <3A193F02...@cvm.tamu.edu>,
> Bob Green <robg...@cvm.tamu.edu> wrote:
> > I was watching Cardiff Championship last night & although I have the
> > utmost resect for Steve Davis's pool game, he was shooting with the
> > ugliest stick I've ever seen! The shaft had linear streaks in it with
> a
> > short brass ferrule....Any body know where he got it or who makes it?
> > Seemed to me to be a real statement about function of a cue vs.
> artistic
> > value!
> > I'm sure a few custom cue makers just turned over in their graves!
>
Rory
snooker cue and not really a pool cue, more of a hybrid.
Rory
In article <3A193F02...@cvm.tamu.edu>,
Bob Green <robg...@cvm.tamu.edu> wrote:
> I was watching Cardiff Championship last night & although I have the
> utmost resect for Steve Davis's pool game, he was shooting with the
> ugliest stick I've ever seen! The shaft had linear streaks in it with
a
> short brass ferrule....Any body know where he got it or who makes it?
> Seemed to me to be a real statement about function of a cue vs.
artistic
> value!
> I'm sure a few custom cue makers just turned over in their graves!
> Cheers
> Bob
Bob Green
With respect to the TV coverage & especially the commentary, I'd give them
9/10 (as compared to ESPN billiard coverage that gets 1/10 ie they show up &
somebody talks)
Somebody from ESPN should really view what good pool coverage entails-but in
their arrogance..I doubt that they care!!!
Cheers
Bob
Clinton Tindall wrote:
> I believe that you are right. I heard the same thing from the
> commentators. Wasn't it great to be able to watch the 3-4 hours of that
> tournament every day? Finally Canadian TV did something right.
> Clinton< wishes more billiards was on Canadian TV
>
> gide...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > In article <3A193F02...@cvm.tamu.edu>,
> > Bob Green <robg...@cvm.tamu.edu> wrote:
> > > I was watching Cardiff Championship last night & although I have the
> > > utmost resect for Steve Davis's pool game, he was shooting with the
> > > ugliest stick I've ever seen! The shaft had linear streaks in it with
> > a
> > > short brass ferrule....Any body know where he got it or who makes it?
> > > Seemed to me to be a real statement about function of a cue vs.
> > artistic
> > > value!
> > > I'm sure a few custom cue makers just turned over in their graves!
> >
> > IIRC, Steve was playing with a "hybrid" pool/snooker cue. It was 12 mm
> > wide, made of ash (hence the linear streaks), with the snooker style
> > ferrule. I believe he had it custom made by whoever makes his snooker
> > cues. I believe that the story was that he found this "hybrid" easier
> > to adjust to than a "normal" pool cue, but the 12 mm tip somewhat
> > better suited to the larger balls than his snooker cue.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gideon
> >
R Hess
I believe that you're right. I would almost bet that the cue was made by
John Parris of London. He built Steve a prototype "pool" cue back in 1996
and this may be a refinement of that.
Adios,
Pizza Bob
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Bob Johnson
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Marcellus wallace
Steve Davis was a real great Snooker player. And when he plays pool he
normally also use his snooker cue. This cues normally has a short
brass ferrule.
Cheers
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:10:58 -0600, Bob Green <robg...@cvm.tamu.edu>
wrote:
>I was watching Cardiff Championship last night & although I have the
>utmost resect for Steve Davis's pool game, he was shooting with the
>ugliest stick I've ever seen! The shaft had linear streaks in it with a
>short brass ferrule....Any body know where he got it or who makes it?
>Seemed to me to be a real statement about function of a cue vs. artistic
>value!
>I'm sure a few custom cue makers just turned over in their graves!
>Cheers
>Bob
>
Marcellus wallace
real great snooker player and he also takes his snooker cue when he
plays pool. So you don´t have to wonder when he plays with a cue wich
has such a short brass ferrule.
lfigueroa
had the opportunity to play with a true snooker cue? Specifically, how does
the ash shaft play?
Lou Figueroa
"Bob Johnson" <bo...@cris.com> wrote in message
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QuantumDot
lfigueroa wrote:
>
> So I guess my question would be: have any of the pool players in here ever
> had the opportunity to play with a true snooker cue? Specifically, how does
> the ash shaft play?
>
> Lou Figueroa
>
I got to shoot with one a couple of weeks ago. It seemed to play OK,
quite "solid" in fact for center ball, but it was hell hitting pool
balls with that tiny tip diameter. If you load up the ball, it becomes
quite Meucci-like, which I didn't care for.
Steve
tom simpson
<lfig...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
::So I guess my question would be: have any of the pool players in here ever
::had the opportunity to play with a true snooker cue? Specifically, how does
::the ash shaft play?
::
::Lou Figueroa
And has anyone done A&P Squirt Tests on some snooker cues? I'm
curious. I'd guess the smaller diameter tip and short ferrule
will yield very low endmass, and thus low squirt.
What type of taper do they use?
tom simpson
donald tees
Low squirt, but harder to control. The taper on a good cue is regular tip
to butt,
but the cheap ones are constant to about 6" of the tip, then reworked down
to the
final tip size. I think they mass produce them all the same for the largest
size.
I have never seen a professional taper on a snooker cue, which is perhaps
why
few snooker players use a closed bridge.
Tony Mathews
Bob Green wrote:
> I was watching Cardiff Championship last night & although I have the
> utmost resect for Steve Davis's pool game, he was shooting with the
> ugliest stick I've ever seen! The shaft had linear streaks in it with a
> short brass ferrule....Any body know where he got it or who makes it?
> Seemed to me to be a real statement about function of a cue vs. artistic
> value!
> I'm sure a few custom cue makers just turned over in their graves!
> Cheers
> Bob
After the championships I asked commentator Jim Wych about Steve's cue. Jim
is a good friend of Steve Davis and has discussed cues with him on many
occasions.
The cue was made by John Parris (London, England). The tip was 11mm to
11.5mm diameter. The ferrule was not brass but brown fiber and very short.
The cue had an Ebony butt, with an Ash shaft with a Snooker Taper. By the
way, Ash is normally a very light colored wood with not so obvious a grain.
The english Snooker cue makers "enhance" the grain with stain to make it
darker. This is "traditional".
The snooker taper is usually similar to a billiard taper i.e.: a cone from
tip to joint. This makes the shaft very stiff.
Jim told me that he had hit balls with the cue (pool balls 2.25" dia.) and
that there was very little if any squirt.
I have built many Snooker cues here in Canada from both Ash and Maple. They
hit great with Snooker balls (smaller diameter, less weight). The best cues
have very little squirt. Interestingly, I discussed this aspect of Snooker
cues with Robert Bryne, and he felt that squirt was not an important
consideration for Snooker cues because Snooker players mainly use center
ball. However, I have built Snooker cues for professional players, and every
pro that I have talked to have said that low squirt was their main
requirement!
And as far as artistic value is concerned, the english would not play
snooker with an American style cue (lots of inlays, linen wrap etc.) as they
consider them gaudy!
Steve Davis tried to play last years' World Championship with a "stock"
Snooker cue and he had some problems, hence the change to the "hybrid" 11mm
tip. Jim Wych told him to try to work his way all the way up to 12mm!
Here in Canada Cliff Thorburn (1980 world Snooker champ) plays with a
Dufferin cue (9-ball that is) also with an 11mm tip. He had a recent article
in Chalk and Cue as to why he does this.
Playing with sidespin on a Snooker table is quite different to playing with
sidespin on a 9-ball table. Swerve is a much bigger factor than squirt. As I
said the cues squirt very little. If you aim a long pot with inside english
you have to aim "thinner" than you would with center ball as swerve pulls
the cue ball back towards the object ball. The opposite of how to aim on a
9-ball table where "squirt" is the biggest factor. Some Snooker players have
found it near impossible to adjust and search for a cue that can make the
transition easier. I just got an inquiry from an Australian Snooker pro who
wants a 9-ball cue with an 11mm tip and a stiff taper.
Cheers,
Tony
-having fun and games with cues for different players!
Raist Chin
Jimmy White also. the shaft is ash wood which explains the linear streaks
and the the splicing is machine i think. if u ever played with a ash cue u
know that ash has a much better feel and is much smoother than maple (unless
the maple is aged) though the grain of the shaft can be a bit confusing.
however i have never find the ash grain distracting when i happen to play
snooker. j parris makes the best snooker cues around, thats no question
about it.(70% of top 100 ranked pros in UK play with a parris cue.)
Regards
Raist C.
<gide...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8vbneg$kt0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <3A193F02...@cvm.tamu.edu>,
> Bob Green <robg...@cvm.tamu.edu> wrote:
> > I was watching Cardiff Championship last night & although I have the
> > utmost resect for Steve Davis's pool game, he was shooting with the
> > ugliest stick I've ever seen! The shaft had linear streaks in it with
> a
> > short brass ferrule....Any body know where he got it or who makes it?
> > Seemed to me to be a real statement about function of a cue vs.
> artistic
> > value!
> > I'm sure a few custom cue makers just turned over in their graves!
>
Raist Chin
pear shafts which is rare nowadays. its smoother than maple and produced a
very solid hit however it is not as stable as maple and some shafts do warp
after time. The 3/4 joint snooker cue, alleviates the problem by extending
the shaft, making it less likely to warp. however some ppl might find the
grain, which is very obvious, a tad distracting. i in fact used my snooker
cue when i first played pool and achieve quite commendable results, but i
changed the cue as the tip is 9mm and i have fears my cue might break.
Regards
Raist C.
lfigueroa <lfig...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> So I guess my question would be: have any of the pool players in here
ever
> had the opportunity to play with a true snooker cue? Specifically, how
does
> the ash shaft play?
>
> Lou Figueroa
>
> "Bob Johnson" <bo...@cris.com> wrote in message
> news:8vd6lm$s...@dispatch.concentric.net...
Patrick Johnson
> Playing with sidespin on a Snooker table is quite different to playing with
> sidespin on a 9-ball table. Swerve is a much bigger factor than squirt. As I
> said the cues squirt very little.
I wonder how much of the "less squirt" you observe is really "more
swerve"? It makes sense that a relatively light, thin ash shaft would
squirt less than the thicker, heavier maple shafts used for pool, and
it also makes sense that lighter balls on heavier, napped cloth would
swerve more -- I just wonder which factor is responsible for what part
of the overall difference? Maybe ash shafts actually squirt more, but
there's so much more swerve that it more than makes up for it.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
Bruce Boyd
Tony Mathews wrote:
>The ferrule was not brass but brown fiber
Correct you are Tony.
--
Bruce
Protection Island
Tony Mathews
Patrick Johnson wrote:
> I wonder how much of the "less squirt" you observe is really "more
> swerve"? It makes sense that a relatively light, thin ash shaft would
> squirt less than the thicker, heavier maple shafts used for pool, and
> it also makes sense that lighter balls on heavier, napped cloth would
> swerve more -- I just wonder which factor is responsible for what part
> of the overall difference? Maybe ash shafts actually squirt more, but
> there's so much more swerve that it more than makes up for it.
>
> Pat Johnson
> Chicago
The ash Snooker shafts do have low squirt. Swerve is a factor on long pots, but
with closer pots, you need a low squirt cue. Now not every ash shaft has very low
squirt. But the best Snooker cues combine a stiff hit with low squirt. If you are
nearly dead on the black and you want to hit high with some running sidespin (to
hit the end rail and then the long rail and spin out wide) swerve will not be a
factor at all. But squirt will be. On a long pot the ball squirts a little bit (no
such thing as zero squirt!) but can swerve back towards the object ball more than
the squirt. But of course swerve is speed dependant. Hit firmly and you can "beat
the nap".
Tony