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23m...@my-deja.com

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Jan 22, 2001, 8:52:58 AM1/22/01
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Was the comeback from being down 104 to 87 to win 120 to 117 by Efren
in the 3 day 120 games Color of Money match the greatest comeback in the
history of 9 ball competition in a tournament or televised 1 on 1 match
?If not, who has this disctincion and how , where and when did this
happen ? Thanks

Just watched the day 3 match again from that point (104 to 87) and even
though my favorite player is Efren, I think that Earl could have won
that game had has kept his cool down the stretch. His being irritated
was clearly seen to which the commentators spoke of as well after Efren
tied the match 111 all. At one point he even went to the table when it
wasnot his turn while Efren was planning his next shot and said
something which irritated Efren and the crowd a bit. Then vigorously
complained twice to the referee about a supposed fould which clearly was
not the case and when the ref explained why this is not a foul .He
replied " thats okey Bob , I dont care " . After scrathing the cue ball
, in disgust he almost moved the other balls in the table which would
have cost him the game. Then down 119 to 117 , with his skills he could
certainly win 3 straight racks but even though he made both the 2 then
the 1 , as the commentators said it was certainly not the way to play
position for both balls and as a result he scratched while making the 1.


If there is to be a part 2 of this kind of matchup between Earl and
Efren, I think Earl would pull it off this time not only because he is
more consistent with making a ball on the break which will be to his
advatage with such format. How oftendo you see Efren making a ball on
the break as consistent as he did when he made that comeback down 104 to
87 ?NOT OFTEN specially at his age now.An exception maybe his 99 World
Championship match with Bustamante when he ran ran 9 racks in a row
with no 9 ball off the break. Efren's weakness has always been his
break even when he was younger. A flawwhich is more visible now with
age which could have been better if he did more conditioning like Earl
who jogs . Now if cockfighting , betting on card games could be
considered conditioning then Efren does a good deal of it when he's in
Manila.Also as Mr. Puyat said so himself, the reason he brought Earl to
Manila last December was that he feels Earl is a more tamed (mature)
player now. There was clamor in the past to bring Earl to Manila to
have a match with Efren but Mr Puyat was not keen on such then due to
Earls attitude . Matches here with such caliber of players draw
thousands of spectators who would boo you vigourously if you put up such
attitude. Earl was well behaved when he was here and as he said it he
has never seen such number of people watch 3 straight matches in a day
where most of the thousands of spectators were standing for hours. That
must have been some bladder control standing there and not going to the
bathroom coz if you leave you wont get your place where you stood. So
Earl still has a better break and now has more control of his
temperment which makes him a harder opponent to beat.

As for Efren as much as he does not have a strong break in comparison
to other top class players, he has accomplished a LOT in the game
World 8 ball champs 3 times, 9 ball World champ , won straight pool
tournament and good placing in carom tournament. His finnesse , safety
play, kick shot , magic shot and cue ball control is what I admire most
from him


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Bob Green

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Jan 22, 2001, 9:35:39 AM1/22/01
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In last years Cardiff competion, Earl had Paez down 9 games to 3, when Paez
proceeded to rattle off 8 straight games to win 11-9...Not bad considering
it was a world championship semi final, although there probably are more
dramatic come backs, there is no one I'd rather see beat than Earl.
Cheers
Bob

bab...@my-deja.com

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Jan 22, 2001, 12:01:51 PM1/22/01
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I'd love to watch that game. I've been meaning to order the last days
play from Accustats for a while.

As for best comeback, Steve Davis 8-2 down to comeback and beat Efren
Reyes 9-8 at last years World Championship was pretty damn good.
Thats probably the most enjoyable game to watch i've seen. Efren played
faultless stuff and ran 5 or 6 racks at the beginning before the
comeback.
At 8-7, Reyes plays an absolutely magical shot where he kicks cross
table at the 5 ball from the bottom right corner pocket which then
banks cross table into the far left corner pocket, (like a zig-zag
across the table). He then plays Davis safe leaving the cue ball on the
bottom rail over the left corner pocket having played the six to the
top rail about a foot and a half from the top left corner pocket, and
Davis successfully banks it back to the bottom left corner and then
finishes. Davis then runs the final rack to take the match.

In article <94hdvn$fuj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

bab...@my-deja.com

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Jan 22, 2001, 12:06:36 PM1/22/01
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I saw that one too, great match. I bet Earl thought he could never
lose to Paez because of his unconventional style, he must've hurt real
bad after. Shame Paez choked so hard in the final.

In article <3A6C453A...@cvm.tamu.edu>,

Steve Barnes

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Jan 22, 2001, 1:15:37 PM1/22/01
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Agreed, my absolute favourite match of the tournament. Poor Paez looked
whipped big time. Then he got a good roll or two, the confidence came back
and it was all over. TSN/SportsNetwork in Canada have be re-airing the
Cardiff matches intermittently for the past little while. The last one aired
was Fong Pang Chow vs ... (brain fade).. that poor guy from Australia... I
think the Paez/Strickland match is the next one to be televised. Keep an eye
peeled and fire up your VCR's. Its a FABULOUS match.

-Steve


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Grady102

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Jan 22, 2001, 1:13:56 PM1/22/01
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Ray Martin came back from 10 to 2 games down against Steve Mizerak at one
of the tournaments in Dayton(approx.-85) and David Howard came back fron 9 to 2
against Steve Dombrowski at the "red's"
event in 84,I think.Bob Vanover,last year
in French Lick,at a Senior tournament,came from 10 to nothing behind,to win,
Grady

Grady102

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Jan 22, 2001, 1:15:47 PM1/22/01
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I forgot,Earl had me 6 to 0 at the U.S. Open one year,about 6 or 7 years ago
and
I won 11 games in a row,Grady

QuantumDot

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Jan 22, 2001, 1:42:40 PM1/22/01
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Grady, I tried to email you privately, but my message bounced. Please contact
me, if you would be so kind.

Steve

mias...@my-deja.com

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Jan 22, 2001, 1:36:28 PM1/22/01
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Grady.. I was just watching an accustats video in which David Matlock
claimed that Rempe came back to beat you after being down 9-2 :)

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Entrepr7

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Jan 22, 2001, 2:22:14 PM1/22/01
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>(Grady102)
>Date: 1/22/01 1:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
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> I forgot,Earl had me 6 to 0 at the U.S. Open one year,about 6 or 7 years ago
>and
>I won 11 games in a row,Grady
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wow, i was surprised that you didn't talk about yourself when i read your first
reply, but then i noticed you responded a second time.

Hugh (Licking County Slim)

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Jan 22, 2001, 2:40:20 PM1/22/01
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coming back agains earl, winning 11 in a row..should be talked abut you
twit!

Hugh(LCS)

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gide...@my-deja.com

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Jan 22, 2001, 2:37:04 PM1/22/01
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In article <ZK_a6.8496$d25....@newsfeed.slurp.net>,
"Steve Barnes" <bun...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>TSN/SportsNetwork in Canada have be re-airing the
> Cardiff matches intermittently for the past little while. The last
>one aired was Fong Pang Chow vs ... (brain fade).. that poor guy from
>Australia...

Johl Younger, IIRC.

Actually, I think Steve Davis' comeback against Efren was pretty
spectacular, especially since Davis is a snooker player and Efren is
Efren, but I don't remember the scores.

Regards,

Gideon

Entrepr7

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Jan 22, 2001, 6:18:46 PM1/22/01
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>From: "Hugh (Licking County Slim)" RH...@alink.com
>Date: 1/22/01 2:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
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that's all he ever does here...how great he shoots pool, how great his pool
tournaments are, etc

Hugh (Licking County Slim)

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Jan 22, 2001, 11:20:15 PM1/22/01
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and y should that bother you!
how many books, video's do you have out on the market??
how many times have you won 11 in a row against strickland?

inquiring minds wanna know!

Hugh(LCS)


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Entrepr7

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Jan 22, 2001, 11:38:14 PM1/22/01
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>From: "Hugh (Licking County Slim)" RH...@alink.com
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i like people who are humble. if you have to talk about yourself - how great
you are, then i don't want to hear you. and there isn't a post by him where he
doesn't say something about his greatness. at least i have the balls to
express this viewpoint, unlike you who have to suck up. ever hear mike tyson,
for example, talk about how great he is, how much money he has, etc etc. do
you praise him too? i certainly don't.

Hugh (Licking County Slim)

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Jan 23, 2001, 6:51:24 AM1/23/01
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suck up? i dont think so..i call'em like i see'em


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Guy GRASLAND

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Jan 26, 2001, 7:31:20 AM1/26/01
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:52:58 GMT, 23m...@my-deja.com wrote:

>Was the comeback from being down 104 to 87 to win 120 to 117 by Efren
>in the 3 day 120 games Color of Money match the greatest comeback in the
>history of 9 ball competition in a tournament or televised 1 on 1 match
>?If not, who has this disctincion and how , where and when did this
>happen ? Thanks
>
>Just watched the day 3 match again from that point (104 to 87) and even

Is a DVD of the whole matchs possible to expect ????

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