Mike Sigel Cues ? ( Or knockoffs?)
Smorgass Bored
'brand new' cues that have ended today ( see www.ebay.com item
#384116041 for one that has just ended) and three more listed below
dated to end on Friday. What makes me curious about these cues is that
for each cue listed they are selling (these are 'dutch auctions) 30-40
of that model (about 250 or so cues).The cues are selling for about
75%-90% OFF or retail. 'They' say that you may see a picture of these
cues at www.sigelcues.com ,but when you go to that site all you get is a
"This site under construction" message. Has Mike even made this number
of cues? Do you think that these are overseas 'knockoffs' of Mike's
cues? We're talking $100,000-$200,000 of potential sales to buyers
here....
384125793Jul-16-00Jul-21-00 15:35:57 $300.00Brand New Mike Sigel
Custom signed Pool Cue 29 Dutch bids
384128813Jul-16-00Jul-21-00 15:38:55 $400.00 Brand New Mike Sigel
signed cue 6 Dutch bids
384132054Jul-16-00Jul-21-00 15:42:07 $500.00 New Sigel
Cue..signed..ivory 5 Dutch bids
just curious,
Doug
~>*(((>< Big fish eat Little fish ><)))*<~
Wilkie Ray
Mark Ray
Smorgass Bored <Smorga...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Delwood
"John McChesney" <j...@texasexpress.com> wrote in message
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> The cues are made on equipment manufactured by
> Leonard Bludworth and software ( I think ) was additionally
> provided. Leonard manufactures quality CNC equipment and
> has sold numerous of the machines to many current cuemakers.
> It is certainly possible that someone else may indeed have made
> the cues...I suggest someone contact the source to see if Mike
> can verify or deny this..
> If they are copies...using Mike's name and/or logo..then he should
> be informed immediately...
> John McChesney
> Texas Express
> National Nine Ball Tour
> PO Box 700814
> Dallas Tx 75370
> Voice 214 495 tour (8687)
>
> j...@texasexpress.com
> http://www.texasexpress.com
>
> Wilkie Ray wrote in message ...
Mike Gralnick
did contact Mr. Sigel, at least that is what I heard second hand. I wish I
could have seen his face when he heard his cues were going for $300 (about
what they are worth, IMO). The sell bought a lot of 250 cues very soon
after Mr. Sigel started making them. I would imagine this guy needs some
serious cash and is selling them at about what he paid for them. The site
said limited editions, limited to what?!?! Limited to however many people
will buy them I guess. I was in a few of the auctions but backed out
because of some miscommunication with the seller. But I have no reason to
think that he does not have the cues.
For all those interested, the home site www.sigelcues.com does say that it
is under construction, but you can go directly to the cue page with the
following link.
http://www.sigelcues.com/html/the_cues.html
You can use that to get a look at the cues and the Retail (snicker) prices
on them.
I wonder how that spinney yellow oyster stone effects the hit. 8)
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Mike Gralnick
Cuephoria Cue Collection
http://customcues.bizland.com/
Buy, Sell, Trade and Find Custom Cues.
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Mountain Mike^^
"bludworth" <blud...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8l5od7
Well hi Leonard! How was the trip to Taiwan? Anyways.....how is my custom
cue order coming? When I talked to Mike Long at the BCA show in Las Vegas,
he said he would find out for me.So far, I haven't heard a thing from either
of you. I'm guessing the order got lost in the process or something? MM^^
Michael
seemed too good to be true. Sort of like having bought 300 pre-WWII
Harley's and keeping them in a garage, then putting them up for bid in
original condition for 20% of their appraised value, something would
seem funny.
If the seller does have that many cues, he probably would have been
better served to put some additional info into his description. But as
it is, if legitimate, he's flooded the market.
It might be worth it to go ahead and bid on one of the lower priced
cues, but then I'd probably be better off going down to the money hall
with my marginal game and putting it on the rail for one game of 9-ball
and giving up the break. Either way I think I'll pass, saves the
retraction, and saves backing slowly out of the room.
John McChesney
Leonard Bludworth and software ( I think ) was additionally
provided. Leonard manufactures quality CNC equipment and
has sold numerous of the machines to many current cuemakers.
It is certainly possible that someone else may indeed have made
the cues...I suggest someone contact the source to see if Mike
can verify or deny this..
If they are copies...using Mike's name and/or logo..then he should
be informed immediately...
John McChesney
Texas Express
National Nine Ball Tour
PO Box 700814
Dallas Tx 75370
Voice 214 495 tour (8687)
j...@texasexpress.com
http://www.texasexpress.com
Wilkie Ray wrote in message ...
>Why would anyone want to copy his cues??????
>
>Mark Ray
bludworth
tomorow and let him know. thanks for helping to protect the valve of
the cues we all build.
see ya
leonard bludworth
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Before you buy.
Louis Simoni
Why? MONEY.
Gas prices are outrageous, the current minumum wage is a joke, and it cost
on average $8.00 to see a movie these days. I am not saying that his
actions are justified (if he is ripping Sigel cues off...) but you see where
I am getting at???
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Bryan Mordt
>DOUG, I don't think Mike knows about this , but i will call him
>tomorow and let him know. thanks for helping to protect the valve of
>the cues we all build.
>see ya
>leonard bludworth
If the seller owns these cues and they are genuine then what's the problem? He
should sell them for whatever he likes or can get for them. A cue is only worth
the cash someone is putting in your hand for it.
Bryan Mordt
Bryan's Pro Shop
Phoenix, Az.
(602) 371-3992
Jim Barr
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I find it interesting that all bids on these cues have been canceled, 30
some bids. Visit the bid page at:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=384125793
Does anyone know why? I guess I could just call the number for the
explanation.
Jim Barr
The Billiard Search Engine
http://www.sound.net/~jimbarr/docs/websearch/
Joe News
>Please call Neil Sant at (847) 545 - 8173 X 200 and he will be glad to
>answer all your questions about the ebay auction, Sigel Cues. Thank you!
I indeed did call and speak to Neil who assured me that the cues were
authentic and then Mike Sigel couldn't control how the cues were sold. He
said he sold out of all the $300 and $400 cues but had some "one of a kind"
cues and several in the $500 range.
Joe.
Jim Barr <jim...@sound.net> wrote in message
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Jim Barr
Joe News wrote in message ...
>I contacted the seller on ebay and received this message back
>
>>Please call Neil Sant at (847) 545 - 8173 X 200 and he will be glad to
>>answer all your questions about the ebay auction, Sigel Cues. Thank you!
>
>I indeed did call and speak to Neil who assured me that the cues were
>authentic and then Mike Sigel couldn't control how the cues were sold. He
>said he sold out of all the $300 and $400 cues but had some "one of a kind"
>cues and several in the $500 range.
>
>
What am I missing here? Are you saying that somehow Mike Sigel was able to
get this auction cancelled even though these were his cues but not his
auction? According to the auction history none of these cues were sold and
all bids were canceled. Why were the bids canceled?
Jim Barr
Joe News
auction was cancelled as a PR move but that the cues were still sold to most
of the bidders.
Joe.
Jim Barr <jim...@sound.net> wrote in message
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Mike Gralnick
avoid the heavy eBay fees for such a large auction. He had about 70 bidders
at least $300 a pop. That is a lot of cash to eBay. Especially when he is
not making much money on the cues.
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Mike Gralnick
Cuephoria Cue Collection
http://customcues.bizland.com/
Buy, Sell, Trade and Find Custom Cues.
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"Joe News" <joe...@grabmail.com> wrote in message
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Otto
bid and even sent funds to the seller. They received the funds at 0910 hours
on Friday(21jul). I was out of country and have not spoken with them since.
I'll let you know if I am a sucker out of some good money or if they follow
through.
I spoke with Neil Sant and he gave me his word. I'll give him the benefit
of the doubt until I find out otherwise.
Worst case--they take the money and run and I have to come up to Chicago for
a few days and wrestle with small claims court. When is that RSB tourney?
Otto
Bob Johnson
How could he have made enough for one person to get ahold of 250 at once? I
get the impression he only makes about 100 cues per year, which means 250
cues could be approaching 40 to 50% of his total production!
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"Otto" <nospamOtt...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Otto
have had difficulty moving them due to the MSRP. It's also quite possible
they need the cash and decided to liquidate. Then again, the whole thing
could be one big scam.
Otto--doin' the guinea pig shuffle
"Bob Johnson" <bo...@cris.com> wrote in message
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Joe News
I'm not sure if it's true, but a friend of mine told me he once ran 100
balls, made 5 cues, smoked a pack of cigarettes and all BEFORE lunch.
Joe.
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Jimbo Ct
man shop?
My guess would be 0, but that's another thread.
JIM<------Doubting Thomas
Bluegrazz
>I'm not sure if it's true, but a friend of mine told me he once ran 100
>balls, made 5 cues, smoked a pack of cigarettes and all BEFORE lunch.
>
After seeing his cues, I can believe that!
Jjpechauer
Jerry Pechauer
Otto
Sigel cue ebay auction came about it seemed like decent value and she liked
the looks(all that matters for her) of a couple of the cues. She couldn't
decide so I bid on a couple of them.
The Sigel cue ebay auction/cancellation/'get the money to us tomorrow' all
smelled fishy. After talking with Neil my guts told me he was on the up and
up.
The cues arrived this am(24 July).
They are exactly as described. One of the cues has a slight variation from
the website design and when Neil began describing the difference I figured
he had to at least have the cues in his possession.
The cues were well packaged and shipped priority FedEx the same day he
received my funds.
Otto