Sealing Cues
Roy Mason
some of the woods in my cues. I use an automotive clear coat but find that
on some woods (purpleheart is bad) I must coat and sand many more times than
seems reasonable.
Is there a sealer that can be used to prepare the wood for the final clear
coats??
Roy Mason
WilleeCue
If you can stand the fumes give it a good coat or two of thin CA (super glue).
Place a folded paper towel under the cue and applt the CA to the top as it
spins.
Move down the cue to spread it out evenly.
Then sand it smooth and hit it again.
That even helps the dust migration as it seals up the pours of the wood so no
dust can find a place to hide.
Some other things I have noticed is that it brightens up the colors of the wood
and also toughens up the wood surface as it penetrates a few thousands into the
wood and will help resist dents and dings.
I think you will like the results.
Again ... be careful of the fumes .... have some Benidrill on hand just in case
you get a reaction.
William Lee
WilleeCue
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Murray Tucker III
Sanding sealer is another option but be careful. Some contain silicone and
will cause fish eyes in the finish.
I prefer epoxy. Use either West or System Three. I have found that the stuff
in the syringe tubes is too thick to flow out well. The best applicator is
your fingers.
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WilleeCue
epoxy I have tryed in the past to be a bit on the soft side and hard to sand
down. It tends to load up the paper and roll up in little balls that will smear
if heated. Perhaps I am using the wrong kind of epoxy or maybe it is because I
should wet sand it. I have some Systen Three T-88 epoxy. Do you think it might
work better than the stuff I have used in the past? I presently prefer the thin
CA (super glue) but those fumes are a real pain to deal with.
William Lee
WilleeCue
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If you are going to use super glue be sure to put on your safety glasses and don't spin the cue too fast or you will end up with glue everywhere.Regular epoxy does not work well for me. There are some UV catalyzed epoxy systems that are being used by some cuemakers and from what I have heard they work very well. The equipment is kinda expensive and most of the equipment must be hand made to suit your needs. There could easily be a large investment in time getting everything to work right.Good Luck,Arnot
I just ordered a UV system this week. The finishing process has always been a bottleneck in my shop. I've had to plan even small jobs like a shaft replacement, around when I'd have a "batch of cues" ready to spray. Using the auto clear coats, it's not very efficient to spray one cue or shaft at a time. The 3 part catylized auto finishes have to be mixed very accurately, and small amounts are harder to get right. That along with the facts that you must mix more that you expect to use, so as to be sure to have enough, and the short "pot life" of the finish, once mixed, I've found it most efficient, in my shop, to spray 4 or 5 cues at a time using the auto finish. Then the gun must be thoroughly cleaned before the finish sets up. If not, you might as well send it to the dumpster.The UV finish I'm going to, goes on over bare woods (even the oily vareities, ie; cocobolo), plastics, metal ringwork & inlays, shell, stone, ivory and about any other thing I've ever seen in a cue, then sets up with the special UV light in seconds! The really great part is that it is a one part, special coating, developed for this application, that will not set up until exposed to the high intensity UV. It can stay right in my spray gun, to be used when ever necessary! This opens up a whole new world of very "fast turn around" replacement shafts and refinishes. Also an end to the "bottleneck" in my shop I hope! This has caused me some grief in the past. Can't wait til the new system arrives!Oh, back to the original question, I've had the best luck, in the past using G5 epoxy as a sealer. I've found it better to put 2 thin coats, without sanding, as better than one thick coat. Then wet sanding and spray. Give it 12 hours, even though it's a 5 minute epoxy. It will wet sand much easier, but you still must be careful not to get it too hot. Don't be stingy with the "new" sandpaper, and be patient. Patience is one of the most necessary virtues of a cuemaker. Good luck and keep your day job! lolzShermSherm Custom Billiard Cues by,
Sherman Adamson
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Brian King
sand pretty easy
Brian King
King's Billiards Supply
Murray Tucker III
I have never used T-88 epoxy. I have a local supplier that sells the West
system and that is what I use.
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Murray Tucker III
Well.........I guess that since epoxy doesn't sting or smell bad I just
never gave it any thought. Maybe I should be more careful in the future and
find a different way of applying it. I might try some surgical gloves.
Thanks for saving my skin (and other things).
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"sheldoncue" <sheld...@XYZhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Murray Tucker III" <DONTS...@tuckerbilt.com> wrote:
>
> > The best applicator is
> > your fingers.
> >
>
> Murray, I hope don't use your bare fingers for this.... I'm sure you know
> better, but for those that might not, Epoxy is pretty nasty stuff and has
a
> cumulative effect. The more you are exposed to it, the worse your reaction
> can be. It is absorbed through skin.
>
> I have a friend that uses it as a sealer, and he cuts little squares out
of 2
> liter pop bottles and kind of squeegees the glue into the cue with them.
>
rhncue
just the glove to put on epoxy on a rotating cue. Those gloves really grab
and if the glove decides to stick you may feel like a windmill. I mix the
epoxy up on a flat piece of cardboard and then use a playing card as a
spatula to apply the epoxy to the rotating cue. I run the wood lathe as slow
as it will go applying the epoxy in a thin seal coat, then transfer the cue
to my spraying lathe which will turn 5 cues simultainiously at 100 rpm. Once
dry I put on a second coat and when this is dry I sand the epoxy back down
level and to the wood. It is then ready for spraying.
I really like the finish I am now using and have no intention of
changing however I am about to invest in a UV set-up just for repairs. I
like not having to clean the gun every time you need to make a 10 second
spray. I also may use it for a base coat if I find it compatible with the
finish I now use.
The UV set-ups start around two grand plus you must make some sort of
apparatus to put the light on the cue but keeping it off of you. UV light is
what causes skin cancer I am told and a cue making buddy of mine who has UV
says it keeps a very good tan on him from what little light finds it's way
to his skin.
I don't know if it's true or not but in Burton Spains manuscript he
tells how Bob Meucci used to be up to his elbows in epoxy everyday until he
got an allergic reaction and now he can't even smell it without breaking
out.
Dick
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Cuezilla
http://www.epoxycoatingsco.com
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Jimbo Ct
from his "know it all" cue book, but it's really not a good idea, some day he
may or may not realize it, I just hope I didn't help him to improve.
Jim <------Know nuttin shop rat
WilleeCue
LOL ... you are really sharp as a tack tonight!.
William Lee
WilleeCue
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Jimbo Ct
Just pointing out that sometimes experience is better then believing every word
you read in Chris's book, but it should take you a few years before you find
this to be true.
Jim <---No shortcut for experience
WilleeCue
could read about.
I think Chris Hightower has a tad bit more "experience" than you at cuemaking so
if you dont mind I will listen to what he teaches.
If you really care so much about me and what I do then just point out what he is
wrong about in his book.
Or perhaps he letf out something you need to share with us.
Should be easy for you ... you do have a copy of it ...dont you?
But then I also listen to the advise from other cuemakers including but not
limited to:
Arnot
Sherm
Tucker
and Sheldon
They have not wrote a book but are willing to offer advise.
Care to point out what they are doing wrong also, Bimbo
I cant believe you choose to hammer Chris Hightower.
What has he ever done to you?
Hell ... he dont even post here.
What a moron you are, Bimbo.
I thought it was just your youthful ignorance.
William Lee
WilleeCue
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Fred Agnir
"WilleeCue" <Wil...@stx.rr.com> wrote
> But then I also listen to the advise from other cuemakers including but
not
> limited to:
> Arnot
> Sherm
> Tucker
> and Sheldon
> They have not wrote a book but are willing to offer advise.
> Care to point out what they are doing wrong also, Bimbo
>
Didn't Murray Tucker just say he learned something (that he might be doing
wrong)? Oh that's right. Murray has sense and humility.
> I cant believe you choose to hammer Chris Hightower.
It's your worship of that book. But, you wouldn't get that.
Fred <~~~ doesn't worship the book
WilleeCue
Why cant you just stop?
Everyone else here seemed to get what I was saying.
No Murray said he was using his fingers to spread epoxy and had not thought it
may be harmful.
What the hell has that got to do with my statment about CA?
Are you nuts are what!
Now you try to make like I worship a book.
How stupid can you be, Fred.
It is just a book.
Pages of information.
If you dont agree with it then call Chri Hightower and pick a fight with him.
He is the one that wrote it not me.
I learned a lot from thet book.
If you can do a better book then ge off your lazy ass and write it.
I will buy it, read it, and learn more.
At least pick out something that is wrong in Chris's book and explain why it is
wrong.
No .... you would rather just hammer on and on with your good buddy Bimbo.
More fun to pick on some one with lies and half truths than to point out real
errors.
And you say I need a wake up call ..... LOL!!
Fred ... did your momma drop you on your head when you were a baby?
I am not trying to be insultive .... just wondering.
William Lee
WilleeCue
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> More attacks, Fred?
I bet Fred, like me, feels more awe and wonder than animosity.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
WilleeCue
William Lee
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John W. Pierce
> In this thread willy suggested sealing the cue with crazy glue, he got this
I've used it as a brightwork sealant on non-teak items in boat
interiors and it seemed to do ok. Can you explain what's wrong with it
for cues?
-- John W. Pierce, Chem & Biochem, UC San Diego
j...@ucsd.edu
Cuezilla
using the stuff. Ask Tim Scruggs what happened to one of his customers
that came into the shop when they were using the stuff. I believe the
guy ended up in the emergency room. The ca was never mente to be used
as a sealed even though it may work as one. using it in such large
volumes is in fact hazardous. The warning of using it with proper
ventilation refers to doing a small glue job, not pouring the stuff
all over the place. You need to be using (if you are not) top quality
breathing mask and keep the stuff off your skin. Either way, I bet it
could be found in your blood stream shortly after use. It is indeed
dangerous stuff. What kinds of warnings does Chris give in the book,
they better be very strong, Some model makers use the Hot Stuff when
doing small fiberglass jobs and it works well but you have to be
careful especally sanding it.
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rhncue
when finished. Clarity may be the wrong word because it is quite clear but I
think it makes the wood dead looking. I do use a lot of it though as I seal
shafts with it and I buy it a half-gallon at a time. When it smokes off it
often sets my smoke alarm off, gets pretty hot.
Dick
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"John W. Pierce" <j...@ucsd.edu> wrote in message
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John W. Pierce
> I don't know if it's true or not but in Burton Spains manuscript he
> tells how Bob Meucci used to be up to his elbows in epoxy everyday until he
> got an allergic reaction and now he can't even smell it without breaking
> out.
He's lucky his lungs didn't break out. You guys handle some pretty
nasty materials, and that includes the wood dust, and it seems to me
that at least some of you are doing it without even the most basic
safety precautions. There really are reasons for all those picky
handling instructions the manufacturers pack with things, and all the
crap in the Material Safety Data Sheets. If you're not going to pay
attention to all of this, at least make sure you have enough insurance
so your widow can live well.
Jimbo Ct
cuemaking
He sure does, but in your own words you claim experience means nothing, so
which is it this week willy is it important or not? I know you like to pick and
chose when things matter you flip flop more times then a 10 year old on a
trampoline.
Willy: >If you really care so much about me and what I do then just point out
what he
>is
>wrong about in his book.
I don't care about you or if you ever get any better, I'm also not a cuemaker
and I don't have the first hand knowledge to get into it about some errors he
may have in the book, but if you believe that he has no errors in the book or
that he has tried everything out personally then I think you may want to check
with someone smarter then me, maybe even Chris himself will fill you in on some
things he'd change on an update. Unlike you I don't post things like a know it
all, I'll leave that to you.
Willy: >ou do have a copy of it ...dont you?
Sure do, is that hard to believe, they are for sale you know.
Willy: >But then I also listen to the advise from other cuemakers including but
not
>limited to:
>Arnot
>Sherm
>Tucker
>and Sheldon
I doubt anyone of these guys would admit to ever talking with you personally or
taking you serious, they all know what a fool you are, if you said YAK I'd
believe it.
Willy: >Care to point out what they are doing wrong also
Well it's your claim that I attack all the cuemakers, so why don't you post
where I've made fun of attacked or pointed out anything Sherm,Murray, or
Sheldon has done.
Willy: >I cant believe you choose to hammer Chris Hightower.
Nice twist, nice try. I can't believe you think I "HAMMERED" Chris. Care to
point out where I "HAMMERED" him? Was it hammering him when I said he may have
some things in the book that aren't the best or that can be done better/
easier? How is that "HAMMERING" him? As I already said why not call and ask
him, he may even agree with me, in which case he'd be "HAMMERING" himself.
Willy: >What has he ever done to you?
What have I done to him other then support him by buying his book?
Willy: >Hell ... he dont even post here
And that has what to do with this?
Willy: >What a moron you are,
Or I could be right.
Jim<------Youthful
Jimbo Ct
By the way in my last post I forgot to mention Chris had some spelling and
grammar errors in the book.
Jim <-----Must really hate him to point that out :-)
Jimbo Ct
All you do is read a question, look it up in the book and rewrite it like it's
your own idea. I think plagiarize is a better word then worship. If you had any
real world experience your opinions might mean a bit more then just copying
what the book says. I'd say a bigger problem is the fact that you seem to feel
a need to be the first guy to answer every question asked, I am sure it's just
your need for constant attention and to try and gain some credibility from
people who don't know any better. Then if it's ever questioned or wrong you
hide behind the fact that it must be right because it's in a book.
Jim <------Willy needs the spotlight
WilleeCue
He is obsessed with contradicting anything I say even if he need to outright lie
to do it.
His posts are not designed to inform but to highlight his superior intelligence
and wit.
Think Playground bully and you will have a mental picture of Bimbo Jimbo.
William Lee
WilleeCue
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WilleeCue
What is the matter Bimbo, afraid Fred cant speak for himself.
Or is his head so far up your ass it really is him speaking.
William Lee
WilleeCue
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WilleeCue
Name one book that dont.
If you really do have the book, care to be more specific?
What page?
What word?
More lies from Bimbo.
William Lee
WilleeCue
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John W. Pierce
>
> .... I seal
> shafts with it .... When it smokes off it
> often sets my smoke alarm off, gets pretty hot.
Dick,
If they aren't too expensive, you might want to experiment a little
with the medical cyanoacrylates. The difference is the alcohol
component: the "normal" ones use methyl (usually) whereas the medical
versions use butyl or octyl. The medical versions don't generate much
heat (they're for use on live tissue), and they're not as subject to
hydration (maybe not a problem on cue shafts), and they'd certainly be
a lot safer to handle. It's possible that their appearance on wood
would be different, also. They will be more expensive as they're more
expensive to make, but I don't know by how much.
WilleeCue
That might rule out their use on pool cue wood.
BTY ... thanks for the tips on the safe use of those products.
William Lee
WilleeCue.
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John W. Pierce
> John, aint the medical cyanoacrylates colored with a blue or purple dye?
> That might rule out their use on pool cue wood.
You're right, of course. It's purple, or at least Dermabond is, which
is the only one I know about. Oh well... not all ideas are good ones
:)
-- jwp
WilleeCue
William Lee
WilleeCues
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Jimbo Ct
I'm sorry I meant to post that as Fred, I forgot to switch screen names. Don't
you know yet Fred doesn't even exist, I am him and he is I (however you say
that) This must be how come it was so hard for you to find me last time at VF.
As far as me pointing out Hightower's errors I don't feel the need to, I have
nothing against Chris or his book, I wish him well. I'm sure he wouldn't like
me talking bad about him as much as he wouldn't want you to be his PR man. Now
please knock off your willy twist trying to turn this into a me and Chris
thing, it's all about you.
Jim<-----Just pointing out something Chris openly admits
WilleeCue
"Jimbo Ct" <jim...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> Willy: >What is the matter Bimbo, afraid Fred cant speak for himself.
>
> I'm sorry I meant to post that as Fred, I forgot to switch screen names. Don't
> you know yet Fred doesn't even exist, I am him and he is I (however you say
> that) This must be how come it was so hard for you to find me last time at VF.
Bimbo, I saw you and your little Aisan freind several times.
You saw me too so dont say you went around hollering out my name.
You didnt.
Once I was talking to Jery Pechaure when you walked by and looked right at me.
Like I said before, you got what you derserved... nothing!
Besides ... you are bigger than me.
Stronger than me.
Smarter than me.
Much more experienced than I in street fighting.
And ... I am just plain scared shitless of you.
I had to change my diaper three times that weekend just because of you.
Thank you for not beating me up at VF.
> As far as me pointing out Hightower's errors I don't feel the need to, I have
> nothing against Chris or his book, I wish him well. I'm sure he wouldn't like
> me talking bad about him as much as he wouldn't want you to be his PR man. Now
> please knock off your willy twist trying to turn this into a me and Chris
> thing, it's all about you.
Fred .... er ..Bimbo ... whichever, you have told me before it is not about me.
Now you are confusing my feeble brain by saying it is about me.
Which is it ... is it about me or is it not?
> Jim<-----Just pointing out something Chris openly admits
Willee < .. just a cowardly dumb ass cuemaker wantabee.
Jimbo Ct
>Stronger than me.
>Smarter than me.
>Much more experienced than I in street fighting.
What does all that have to do with me getting what I deserve? WHy do I need to
be big or smart or need to fight? I made no threats, I just wanted what I
deserved. Are you know admitting to what we all know you meant all along?
Willy:>. I am just plain scared shitless of you.
I'm a nice guy, why would anyone be scared of me? Ask anyone who has ever met
me.
Willy: >Thank you for not beating me up at VF.
Why would I want to beat you up? DO you think I am in 5th grade? I'm an adult,
I don't fight, I am pretty good at defending myself, but that's only after
someone tries to give me what I deserve.
Jim <---Lover not a fighter
WilleeCue
Keep live'n and Love'n. <G>
William Lee
WilleeCue
"Jimbo Ct" <jim...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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Jack Stein
> WilleeCue wrote
> > But then I also listen to the advise from other cuemakers including but
> not
> > limited to:
> > Arnot
> > Sherm
> > Tucker
> > and Sheldon
> > They have not wrote a book but are willing to offer advise.
> > Care to point out what they are doing wrong also, Bimbo
> >
>
> Didn't Murray Tucker just say he learned something (that he might be doing
> wrong)? Oh that's right. Murray has sense and humility.
This makes no sense Fred? Willee says he listens to the advise from
other cue makers and you say Murray has a sense of humility? Murray
said he uses his bare hands to seal cues, he learned this is a bad idea,
as CA is nasty stuff. This also has nothing to do with the fact a
number of cue makers use CA as a sealant. How you could attack Willee
in this thread is mind boggling...Jimbo, who never made anything is the
last person to support in a thread about how to do something, PJ is in
the same league with the Bimbo, both of these guys would be luckily if
they could make a drink, let alone a cue.
> > I cant believe you choose to hammer Chris Hightower.
>
> It's your worship of that book. But, you wouldn't get that.
I know I don't get it? He said he listens to a bunch of cue makers,
where does he come off looking like he worships anyone? How many folks
have written books on cue making anyway? I bet you can't name 3,
perhaps not 2...
> Fred <~~~ doesn't worship the book
Are you a cue maker like Willee is? I've seen his work and it looks
wonderful. Where can I see your cues?
What do you and Bimbo use to seal your cues? Willee is a cue maker and
is one of the few willing to share his knowledge with the group as he
progresses. Most cue makers won't even talk about the craft, other than
to say it's too hard and too expensive to even THINK about attempting.
Willee and a very few others have shared the info with us, and you and
the Bimbo, and a few other do nothings trying to toast him at every turn
is a joke.
--
Jack
http://jbstein.com