a way to get Willee on the market
R. Hugh Arnold
you to do just that thing is build that special cue that JAM is referring to
and donate it to keith and sponsor him...he could wear a patch with your
insignia on it, and we know how JAM promotes pool, so in no time at all..you
could be an overnight success.
Hugh Arnold"LCS"
whatcha think??? can it happen?
William Lee
Good idea but I just dont know if I am ready for prime time yet.
If I get to many orders I will fold under the pressure.
How about if I make you a cue and you decide?
William Lee
"R. Hugh Arnold" <rh...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Jimbo Ct
Great idea.
Jim <---I see marketing in your future.
R. Hugh Arnold
decide if you want to do it....
i'm having trouble with some of my blood levels, and i'm not up to getting
out and playing much yet...if you'd be willing to give me some time to
strengthen up i'll shoot with one of your cues and give it a shot...if you
think this is something you'd like to try...drop me an email and we'll chat
about the details
Hugh Arnold"LCS"
always open for R&D
"William Lee" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote in message
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Michael Webb
Believe it or not, send Jimbo the cue. He is very knowledge. I'm not
joking.
Michael Webb
Webb Custom Cues
http://www.webbcues.com
William Lee
I have offered to make him a cue in the past and all I ever got in return
was insults.
The only knowledge he has ever shown me was his expertise in acting like a
jerk.
To be bluntly truthful I know more about cuemaking that he will ever know.
Why .... Simply because I make and repair pool cues just about everyday and
have for over four years now.
I aint saying I know it all, Mike.
I aint saying my cues are the better than yours or anyone eles's.
And I aint taking away anything from jimbo.
All I am saying is that just that I know more about the ins and outs of cue
construction than Jimbo.
And that everyone that has ever bought one of my cues or used my repair
services were happy and satisified.
Both of them <g>
Besides, He aint talking to me and I would prefer to keep it that way.
Willee
http://home.stx.rr.com/n5wrx
http://home.earthlink.net/~willeecue
"Michael Webb" <webb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Michael Webb
confidence in your knowledge of four years. I know Jim is a bad subject and
I wasn't trying to be disrespectful BUT, don't underestimate Jim when it
comes to cues. The man knows cues.
William Lee
It sure aint rocket science and the fact you think Jimbo can comprehend vast
amounts of cue information just serves to prove anyone can.
Like I said ... I aint disrespecting Jimbo's Cue knowledge.
He just acts like a jerk and is quick to put in their place anyone that
professes to know anything about cues.
William Lee
"Michael Webb" <webb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Jimbo Ct
I'll vote NOT, thanks for the kind words Mike, you aren't making any friends
here with talk like that :-) I've already seen and hit with many of Willy's
cues, I don't wish to see or hold anymore. I'm not in that market.
Jim <---Must have bought Mike Webbs Love
Michael Webb
enough. But when I earn the honor of having a cue in Jimbo's collection.
That is some thing I will be very proud of. For those who know, they
understand for those who don't, you never will.
William Lee
Explaining what riding a Harley is like to someone that has never rode one
is imposable.
For those that have no explaination is necessary.
Mike I dont know what your hopes are other than what you have said.
You have your reasons for posting this stuff and only you know what they
are.
I dont like the guy because of the things he has said to me and the attitude
he has shown toward me for the last four years. If you like him that is fine
with me. If this means we can not be friends then that is fine with me also.
I just have a higher standard and class of friends than Jimbo will ever
reach.
I hope your support and testimony for Jimbo here on the NG will help you
achieve your goal.
If there were anything I could do to help you I would be happy to do so.
I am sure if you sent him one of your cues he would gladly accept it and add
it to his collection.
You could do that today.
William Lee
"Michael Webb" <webb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Barry C.
--
"William Lee" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Kinda like the Harley thing ... right?
> Explaining what riding a Harley is like to someone that has never rode one
> is imposable.
This is a small part of your problem......you said it. Until you can get
out of Willee world and experience some of what pool and cues is really out
there, then you can never see the big picture of who is who or what is what.
Dont' feel alone, there are lots of folks like that. I know you stated that
info from a book is just as good as experience... (that is not meant to be a
direct quote from you or a flame) and I'll aways disagree. Jimmy has more
experience with cues, construction etc; than you can imagine, because you
haven't been out to see what goes on beyond RSB. It can be a humbling
experience. And this info is regardless of which one of you are assholes.
Barry C. <sometimes asshole, but not on RSB
John Barton
How would you know what Willie has experienced or not? Willie has been to
the same shows that Jim has been to?
I would venture to say that Willie has more EXPERIENCE actually building
cues and experimenting with different materials and techniques than Jim.
Buying cues does not make one an expert in the construction of cues. If I
were a betting man :-) I would bet that there are cues in Jim's collection
which he has no idea what the maker did to construct them. What I mean is
this: You do not disclose to every customer what exactly went into the
construction of the cue they buy. You do not detail any improvements in
technique or what epiphanies you had during the construction.
There is no possible way that Jim can know all of the things that go on in
all of the cuemaking shops around the world just by the fact that he
purchases cues. I purchase cues as well and I would say that of the
non-cuemakers here I am probably in the top five people who has spent the
most amount of time in cuemaker's shops as well as cue factories. Even with
this knowledge I am constantly amazed at the different ways that various
cuemakers arrive at the same conclusion, which is creating a well built
instrument for playing pool.
Maybe more people should spend time in Willie's world to experience what can
be rather than arguing about what was.
John
"Barry C." <ba...@nojunk2cameroncues.com> wrote in message
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John Barton
That is degrading. This is the equivalent of public begging. I hope you
have better aspirations than making a cue that a jerkoff like Jimbo will
like enough to purchase. You have already made cues that are "better" than
some in his collection, depending on whose opinon you ask. If I were in
your position then I would aspire to make cues that my customers feel good
enough about to eschew all others. I would seek the accolades of my peers
and not the cue collectors.
Well, I think you build fine cues. Maybe you will get to join the ranks of
"elite" cuemakers when Jim Brennan grants you a pass.
John Barton
JAM
epiphanies you had during the construction."
Great word: "epiphanies" ;>)
JAM
John Barton
Do you honestly think that Jimbo has ANY influence on the cue buying market?
Really. What do you think happens? Is it like the art galleries where if
one particular buyer shows interest in an artist then his work will become
famous? Does Jimbo have a network of cue collectors that he communicates
with about new cuemakers. It seems as though since Jimbo is a
self-proclaimed "anti-shill" that he wouldn't burden his fellow collectors
with introductions to new cuemaker's work.
I personally think Jimbo has about zero influence on the cue market. Sure,
he reportedly has a collection but so what? This doesn't mean that he
"knows" all that much about either cues or cuemaking. This does not mean
that cuemakers he likes are guaranteed any kind of success.
Maybe I am wrong but I doubt it. If I were a cuemaker I would rather try
and sell my cues to passing crab fisherman in the Bering Straight before I
would solicit Jim's opinion of them.
IF William Lee really wants to "get on the market" he will go to the shows
and display his cues where real collectors and real players can see them,
evaluate them and purchase them. From what I can see Willie is selling
everything he makes so where is the problem?
John
William Lee
"Barry C." <ba...@nojunk2cameroncues.com> >
> "William Lee" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote
> > Kinda like the Harley thing ... right?
> > Explaining what riding a Harley is like to someone that has never rode
one
> > is imposable.
>
> This is a small part of your problem......you said it. Until you can get
> out of Willee world and experience some of what pool and cues is really
out
> there, then you can never see the big picture of who is who or what is
what.
Barry, I have not been locked in the house for the last 20 years.
I have got out and around a bit and I see what is out there.
I also know people in the business that have been out there and they advise
me about a lot.
I make a good solid quality cue for the good solid player.
Not the super high end cues that no one I know buys but the cues that are
bought and used by the regular players like you find here on RSB. I have yet
to have one person unhappy with what he bought from me.
I think that says a lot more than the mindless rantings of some of the know
everything types around here.
> Dont' feel alone, there are lots of folks like that. I know you stated
that
> info from a book is just as good as experience... (that is not meant to be
a
> direct quote from you or a flame) and I'll aways disagree.
I think (as I remember) that I said something like the knowledge needed to
make a good solid cue can be learned from a book. How many times you got to
do something to learn how to do it?
>Jimmy has more
> experience with cues, construction etc; than you can imagine, because you
> haven't been out to see what goes on beyond RSB.
I actualy have more experience with cue construction as I have not only
studied construction methods but have more hands on experience actualy
making cues and not just looking at them. Hanging around a cuemaker is not
like getting your hands dusty by actually making cues. You learn a lot more
by doing than by watching.
>It can be a humbling experience.
I agree there are cuemakers that are more talanted than I.
That has never been a question.
However, I am not alone in thinking that my cues are just as good and just
as solid as anyone elese's cues and actualy better than some.
They may not have the fancy designs with diamonds, gold, Ivory, and silver
inlays but they are still a quality product made to high standards.
>And this info is regardless of which one of you are assholes.
> Barry C. <sometimes asshole, but not on RSB
So Barry ... here is a question for you.
On the level and I would like a straight answer.
Quality wise (forget the eye candy inlays and fancy wraps) would you say you
make a cue that is just as good and is just as solid as any other cuemaker?
Perhaps better than some?
BTW ... Thanks for the civil attitude, Barry, it just proves that we can
show a litle respect on the NG.
William Lee
William Lee
Damm well said, John.
I wish I had your clairity of thought.
William Lee
Jimbo Ct
>the same shows that Jim has been to?
LOL This is funny, first why is there a ? at the end, what is the question? If
you are saying he has then we can make one of your stupid Bartonbets and I'll
lay 10-1 odds that he hasn't been to 1/2 the shows I have, but that's not
really important.
JCB: >I would venture to say that Willie has more EXPERIENCE actually building
>cues and experimenting with different materials and techniques than Jim.
I would agree and have never said otherwise.
JCB: >Buying cues does not make one an expert in the construction of cues.
Who buys cues??
JCB : >If I
>were a betting man :-) I would bet that there are cues in Jim's collection
What collection?? It's funny how you, JAM and Willy all make claims about me
buying cues and buying cuemakers as friends and all this bullshit when you have
no idea what you are talking about. What cues have I bought, where have you
ever read anything from me here that said I bought cues? What cues have I
bought? If you need help maybe you can ask JAM and Willy, they have both made
this same claim. Please educate me john, how many cues do I own, who's cues do
I own? Please give me a list, because I don't ever remember posting anything
about any collection or claiming that I collect cues at all.
JCB: > You do not disclose to every customer what exactly went into the
>construction of the cue they buy.
WHAT?? You mean there are secrets??? You better not say this in front of Willy,
he's been claiming for a long time that all the info is right in his book and
it's all common sense and not really hard to understand. i think the real Irony
here is how you guys (you and willy) want to put me down and claim that I can't
know anything yet 2 seconds later willy wants to post how it's very simple and
easy and anyone can learn it. Make up my mind, is it to hard for me or is it
sooooooo easy??
JCB:
>You do not detail any improvements in
>technique or what epiphanies you had during the construction.
What more secrets??? Can't be willy says this is a lie. Every cuemaker shares
all the details and they would obviously tell a person who bought the cue if
they would tell other cuemakers, what harm would that be?
JCB: >There is no possible way that Jim can know all of the things that go on
in
>all of the cuemaking shops around the world just by the fact that he
>purchases cues.
Purchased cues?? What cues John?? I'm not sure I understand what you are
talking about I've never said I purchased cues and I've never claimed to know
everything going on in EVERY shop around the world.
JCB: >I purchase cues as well
AS well as who??
JCB: >I would say that of the
>non-cuemakers here I am probably in the top five people who has spent the
>most amount of time in cuemaker's shops
What does this mean?? I'd bet most people who aren't cue makers haven't spent
any time in cue makers shops. I'd bet 95% of the people have not spent longer
the 2 hours in cue makers shops, again what does this mean??
JCB: >Even with
>this knowledge I am constantly amazed at the different ways that various
>cuemakers arrive at the same conclusion,
Different ways?? Can't be there are different ways, the only way is the way in
the book, I think you are confused you better check with Willy.
JCB: >Maybe more people should spend time in Willie's world to experience what
can
>be rather than arguing about what was.
You are welcome to spend all the time you want in Willy's world, there is
plenty of space for you next to his giant head. And in case you're too dumb to
see it there is one constant with 80% of the arguments around here and if you
go to willy world both those people will be together. It always takes 2 to
argue, normally willy and anyone.
Jim <---I'll take credit for 10%
Jimbo Ct
It's great how you can understand the big words John writes yet you have so
much trouble with the simple small words I type.
Jim <---Has to use bigger words.
Jimbo Ct
>some in his collection,
What collection John??
JCB: >I would seek the accolades of my peers
LOL yeah because cue makers buy so many cues, that's a great idea. When you
started Instroke were you hoping to impress Jack Justis and Dan Whitten?? How
many of your cases have you sold to case makers??? BTW if it's your contention
to set out to impress your peers I hate to inform you but you have fallen
miserably short.
JCB: >and not the cue collectors.
Who is a cue collector?? Again Since you keep giving me a label please explain
to me what cues I own and how you have come to this conclusion.
JCB: >Maybe you will get to join the ranks of
>"elite" cuemakers
Mike is a great cue maker and iss very knowledgeable, we spent a lot of time
talking cues and construction. Mike has a large fan base and many people who
post here use and love his cues (Steve Ellis & PBateman come to mind). he also
has the respect of many other cuemakers. mike doesn't need any pass from me. I
am happy that Mike has chosen to speak about the mutual respect we have for
each other after our time spent talking cues. I wish he never did it because on
here you assholes see my name and the then can't think clear. Mike in no way
bashed you or willy with anything he said yet he now has 3 enemies that he
didn't before today and the only reason for it was one word (JimBo)
Jim <---It's sad whe hate blinds you
Steve Ellis
>
>"Michael Webb" <webb...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:QelAc.3677$rf7.333@lakeread02...
>> I don't speak in hopes of making more friends. I have about twelve. That's
>> enough. But when I earn the honor of having a cue in Jimbo's collection.
>> That is some thing I will be very proud of. For those who know, they
>> understand for those who don't, you never will.
>>
>> Michael Webb
>> Webb Custom Cues
>> http://www.webbcues.com
>>
>>
>
>That is degrading. This is the equivalent of public begging. I hope you
No, it's neither degrading or begging and you know it.
>have better aspirations than making a cue that a jerkoff like Jimbo will
>like enough to purchase. You have already made cues that are "better" than
>some in his collection, depending on whose opinon you ask. If I were in
He very well could have, I don't really know not having seen Jim's collection. Mike isn't
saying that his cues are not as good as those in Jim's collection. Mike knows he makes a
great cue, generally modesty prevents him from saying so, but he knows it.
>your position then I would aspire to make cues that my customers feel good
>enough about to eschew all others.
He already does that.
> I would seek the accolades of my peers and not the cue collectors.
Mike has the RESPECT of his peers and cue makers just aren't the kind to throw around
accolades too often. Having the product of your craftsmanship sought after by a real
knowledgable and picky collector is not faint praise either. (Whether you like that
collector or not)
>
>Well, I think you build fine cues. Maybe you will get to join the ranks of
>"elite" cuemakers when Jim Brennan grants you a pass.
Cheap, uncalled for shot.
>
>John Barton
>
John,
This is probably the biggest single thing you do that pisses me off. You went after Mike
merely because he said something positive about Jim. I understand fully your problem with
Jim, but all Mike did was speak the truth. He never even suggested that Jim was right or
wrong in his various flame wars on this board. He is an acquaintance of Jim's not a
"friend" as far as I know. I believe Mike uses the term "friend" very judiciously. Any
problems you have with Jim are not Mike's fault, he was just stating the facts as he saw
them. If Mike directed some insult at you or even Willie I'd say you had some ground to
turn on him, but he didn't do that. Mike doesn't post here too often though he lurks a
lot, my bet is behaviour like your's is the reason he doesn't post here too often.
What Mike did wasn't degrading, how you responded to him was disrespectful.
Steve.
Jimbo Ct
>with about new cuemakers.
Don't you already know the answer to this John?? You claim to know so much
about everything you must know the answer to this. You are on the inside with
people like JAM and Willy, you must know who I know and don't know.
JCB: > It seems as though since Jimbo is a
>self-proclaimed "anti-shill" that he wouldn't burden his fellow collectors
Fellow collectors?? Again please give me some info about me being a collector.
If you have any proof that I am a collector the you must for certain know about
which other collectors I know and speak with and of course what we speak about.
BTW I don't shill but I have often given advice about cues and my opinions to
may posters here, many you know.
JCB: >I personally think Jimbo has about zero influence on the cue market.
And you know it all. BTW what do you base this on?? What do you really know
about me outside of this newsgroup? (Other then I play better then you) You
make all these claims about me yet all you really know is the JimBoCt character
from this news group and you seem to have me all figured out, so please inform
us all what you know about Jim Brennan.
JCB: >he reportedly has a collection
REPORTEDLY??? Who reported it and please share the report with us. You wrote
that like I come here bragging about owning cues, please post a few links where
I brag about this reported collection, you seem to know it all so please give
us a list of cues and their prices and give the links were this "reported"
collection was talked about.
JCB: >This doesn't mean that he
>"knows" all that much about either cues or cuemaking.
Again John please show us all the post where I said "I AM A CUE COLLECTOR AND
THAT MEANS I KNOW ABOUT CUES" I really can't wait to see this.
JCB: >This does not mean
>that cuemakers he likes are guaranteed any kind of success.
I only like successful ones, this saves time and money and it makes it real
easy to support them.
JCB: >Maybe I am wrong but I doubt it.
You're always wrong and you always doubt it, you'd think that after being wrong
so much you'd start to have just a little bit of doubt.
JCB: >If I were a cuemaker I would rather try
>and sell my cues to passing crab fisherman in the Bering Straight
Maybe you can sell him one of your wacky yet functional cases. Have your pal
Chas hammer a lobster into the leather, O never mind his wrist hurts.
JCB: >From what I can see Willie is selling
>everything he makes so where is the problem?
From what you can see is what he posts, if you believe all his posts then you
are even nuttier then I thought and that's not even possible. he has shilled
this group with every cue he has made over the last 3 years, do you see any
other cue maker who posts here shill like him?? Every time he makes a new cue
he has to post pics and beg for compliments, have you ever seen
Sherm,Barry,Mike,Danny Janes, Thierry, Bryan or Dick neighbors do this?? yet
somehow he gets a pass. I can see from your salesman style why you have fallen
in love with Willy. BTW all the guys I listed have one thing in common, they
have all sold cues worth over $1,000 have you ever seen a Willy on E-bay get
anything near that?? Even when he shill bids his own cues he can't imagine
going that high.
Jim <---No influence
Jimbo Ct
>merely because he said something positive about Jim.
TAP TAP TAP !!!!
This shit happens all to much, people have to many problems reading things for
content because they are busy stalking the names on the top of the post. I have
my issues with john, but I don't attack his cases (I think they are great) I
have issues with Willy (Yet I don't attack his work) These guys are so blinded
by hate that they can't try to read a post for content when it contains a name.
jim <----Waiting for Chas to attack Mike Webb.
William Lee
"Jimbo Ct" <jim...@aol.comnojunk> wrote
> Mike in no way
> bashed you or willy with anything he said yet he now has 3 enemies that he
> didn't before today and the only reason for it was one word (JimBo)
>
>
>
> Jim <---It's sad whe hate blinds you
Wooooh there Bimbo.
I was just going to ignore your ratings ... but you go to far.
I was nothing but civil to Mike and in no way consider him to be an enemy.
He can carry on a conversation without resorting to lies and name calling.
You can not.
Learn to read and stop putting words into my mouth and then spreading those
lies as if they were fact.
William Lee
William Lee
"Steve Ellis" <rsp...@RemoveThiss-c-ellis.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:58:22 -0500, "John Barton" <r...@jbideas.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Michael Webb" <webb...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:QelAc.3677$rf7.333@lakeread02...
> >> I don't speak in hopes of making more friends. I have about twelve.
That's
> >> enough. But when I earn the honor of having a cue in Jimbo's
collection.
> >> That is some thing I will be very proud of. For those who know, they
> >> understand for those who don't, you never will.
> >>
> >> Michael Webb
> >> Webb Custom Cues
> >> http://www.webbcues.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >That is degrading. This is the equivalent of public begging. I hope you
>
> No, it's neither degrading or begging and you know it.
>
> >have better aspirations than making a cue that a jerkoff like Jimbo will
> >like enough to purchase. You have already made cues that are "better"
than
> >some in his collection, depending on whose opinon you ask. If I were in
>
> He very well could have, I don't really know not having seen Jim's
collection. Mike isn't
> saying that his cues are not as good as those in Jim's collection.
What collection, Steve.
Jimbo denies having a cue collection.
William Lee
William Lee
"Jimbo Ct" <jim...@aol.comnojunk> wrote
> From what you can see is what he posts, if you believe all his posts then
you
> are even nuttier then I thought and that's not even possible. he has
shilled
> this group with every cue he has made over the last 3 years, do you see
any
> other cue maker who posts here shill like him?? Every time he makes a new
cue
> he has to post pics and beg for compliments, have you ever seen
> Sherm,Barry,Mike,Danny Janes, Thierry, Bryan or Dick neighbors do this??
yet
> somehow he gets a pass. I can see from your salesman style why you have
fallen
> in love with Willy. BTW all the guys I listed have one thing in common,
they
> have all sold cues worth over $1,000 have you ever seen a Willy on E-bay
get
> anything near that?? Even when he shill bids his own cues he can't imagine
> going that high.
> Jim <---No influence
Uh ... Bimbo .... All the cues I have posted in the last year or so were
already sold.
I cant remember the last time I ever posted a photo here of a cue that was
for sale other than on ebay.
LOL ... Exactly what is it I am I shilling?
Since you seen to know everything about everything, can you name one person
that has called me and wanted me to make them a cue because of what they
seen here on this NG?
No ... you can not because it has not happened.
So much for you making me famous.
As far as the other cuemakers you mention ..... so what?.
And yes I have seen photos of cues posted by other cuemakers on this NG.
You got any proof that I have ever "shill bid" on one of my cues on eBay or
is that just some more of your lies?
Why are you so overboard about discrediting and or disputing everything I
say or do here.
Even to the point of telling blantant lies.
You have done that for four years and I think it is time for you to grow up
and act like an adult instead of a whiney ass baby.
William Lee
JAM
don't attack his cases (I think they are great)...."
[POSTED ON 6/17 AT 7:47 P.M.]
The Fat Liar from CT posts to John: "Maybe you can sell him one of your wacky
yet functional cases. Have your pal Chas hammer a lobster into the leather, O
never mind his wrist hurt..."
[POSTED ON 6/17 AT 7:39 P.M.]
Typical ramblings from an Internet stalker.
"JAM" has been mentioned four times in this clown's posts today alone, another
symptom of an Internet stalker with trolling tendencies.
FWIW, before I ever met John Barton -- and I have only met him twice -- I would
guesstimate that 80 percent of the cases I saw players carry -- pros, amateurs,
and bar-bangers -- were the Instroke brand.
This is to include locally here in my area as well as on the tournament trail.
Instroke must be a good product to be owned by so many folks around the
country, and I have never heard anybody describe Instroke as "wacky" until the
recent ramblings from a megalomaniac with hypergraphia.
JAM
Steve Ellis
Got me, that little internal thread within a thread talked about his collection whether he
has one or not I don't know. As I said in my post I've never seen it. If you and Jim were
on civil speaking terms you could ask him, but I don't think there is really much point in
that.
Steve.
>
>William Lee
>
>
Jimbo Ct
It is, do a search and read how many times I have pushed his cases and read all
the good things I've said over theyears about them. Funny thing is after you do
I am sure you'll hate Instroke because your thing is to be anti JimBo on every
issue.
JAM: > I have never heard anybody describe Instroke as "wacky" until the
>recent ramblings from a megalomaniac with hypergraphia.
LOL The funny thing is I was not talking about Instroke and the term Wacky but
functional was John's all on his own.
Jim <---I know you want to pile on but try to keep up.
William Lee
"Steve Ellis" <rsp...@RemoveThiss-c-ellis.com> wrote
> >
> >What collection, Steve.
> >Jimbo denies having a cue collection.
>
> Got me, that little internal thread within a thread talked about his
collection whether he
> has one or not I don't know. As I said in my post I've never seen it. If
you and Jim were
> on civil speaking terms you could ask him, but I don't think there is
really much point in
> that.
> Steve.
>
> >
> >William Lee
Sorry about the mess and the confisusion, Steve.
The idea that Jimbo has a cue collection has been kicked around here in
several posts.
Jimbo has just ask John Barton what cue collection he is talking about.
I think Jimbo is trying to infer to John that he does not have a cue
collection.
That is why I replied to your post when you mentioned Jinbo's cue
collection.
Hope that clears it up.
William Lee
William Lee
It is Jimbo that is not having anything to do with civility.
I have on several occasions offered a friendly gesture to tone down the
animosity he displayes toward me only to have it thrown back into my face
along with some profanity. I am perfectly willing to let bygones be bygones
and start a better more friendly relationship with him.
I even publicly apologized and offered to bury the hatchet with smorg but
you saw how he responded also.
William Lee
"Steve Ellis" <rsp...@RemoveThiss-c-ellis.com> wrote
JAM
hatchet...."
One of the reasons I like you, Willee. I do admire men with integrity. You
will live a long life because you are able to let go and not hold onto
negativity that only hurts you in reality.
My brother, the 20-plus-year Navy veteran who was assigned to a nuclear
submarine, learned very quickly not to hold onto destructive emotions. He
endured two bypass operations while in the service before the age of 45. He
still has nightmares of his service experience, but has learned to put it
behind him very quickly, so to speak.
I believe you're basically a nice guy, Willee.
JAM
John Barton
"Steve Ellis" <rsp...@RemoveThiss-c-ellis.com> wrote in message
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Well Steve,
I know that you and some others will take it this way. I see it
differently. I respect Mike and Mike's cues too much to see him practically
beg Jim, in my opinion, for inclusion into Jim's collection.
Mike knows the history between Willie and Jim and so does not need to
"qualify" Jim to Willie.
Sorry you are pissed off. We all get that way. Maybe you could chastise
Jim or Tony for some of their more colorful remarks.
John
Smorgass Bored
<with snippage>
JCB: >Buying cues does not make one an expert in the construction of
cues.
Dumbo: Who buys cues??
JCB : >If I
were a betting man :-) I would bet that there are cues in Jim's
collection
Dumbo: What collection?? It's funny how you, JAM and Willy all make
claims about me buying cues and buying cuemakers as friends and all this
bullshit when you have no idea what you are talking about. What cues
have I bought, where have you ever read anything from me that said I
bought cues? What cues have I bought? If you need help maybe you can ask
JAM and Willy, they have both made this same claim. Please educate me
john, how many cues do I own, who's cues do I own? Please give me a
list, because I don't ever remember posting anything about any
collection or claiming that I collect cues at all.
Purchased cues?? What cues John?? I'm not sure I understand what you
are talking about I've never said I purchased cues
JCB: >I purchase cues as well
Dumbo:AS well as who??
-----------------------------------------------------
L.A. Cue Collectors Show
I'm kind of surprised not to see any news, let alone photos, here from
the Los Angeles Cue Collectors Show. Did anybody here attend it?
"It was a show by invitation only, and not open to the public. the
non-cuemakers were high end collectors. stroud hosted one last year,
which was a private function, at his home in ruidoso, new mexico,,,and
it sounds like he will host one every year. he has been enthusiastic
about both."
JimBoCT/DumboCT replies:
The cue "TORTURE" is mine and there will be a story about the making of
TORTURE and it's case and matching J&B cue and many photos to go with it
posted soon on Poolplayersparadise.com, it's a new site and to view
these pics you'll need to go there and sign up. it's a good site and
free and we're trying to get it off the ground
JIM
JimboCT/DumboCT adds:
I will answer all these questions and more over on PPP. I am one of the
invited collectors.
JIM <---Proud owner of "TORTURE"
now, go Kill Yourself.... imo
Doug
~>*(((>< Big fish eat Little fish ><)))*<~
Steve Ellis
>BTY Steve ... I am always willing to be civil as you should well know.
I am making no suggestion as to why civility does not and probably can not exists between
you and Jim, just observing the condition.
Steve.
Tony DeAngelo
John Barton wrote:
> Barry,
>
> How would you know what Willie has experienced or not?
That's easy. #1 That which has been stated categorically in the past 4
years. #2 That which has been implied. Barry makes some pretty sporty
cues himself, so chances are bells have gone off in his head more than
once (or ten times) vis-a-vis the master baiters posts.
Tony--->Hates the "how do you know" defense. P.S. How do I know you
haven't gone through Marine Corp boot camp Joan? Hint: it's not ESP.
Steve Ellis
>
>
>Sorry you are pissed off. We all get that way. Maybe you could chastise
>Jim or Tony for some of their more colorful remarks.
No, I think you, Jim, Willie, Tony, etc. do a pretty good job of tearing each other up and
don't need my help. I have never taken you to task for defending yourself in that arena.
You guys can mutually attack each other all day I don't care, but Mike is a basically a
neutral guy who did nothing to deserve you treating him with disrespect.
I'm often not sure I'm right, but I am very sure I'm right on this one.
Steve.
>
>John
>
Tony DeAngelo
Jimbo Ct wrote:
> JAM saz: >Instroke must be a good product
Dunno. I know a freaky new product that will give Instroke the 6 and out.
Tony----> Now that Joan sold it.
Smorgass Bored
JCB: >Buying cues does not make one an expert in the construction of
cues.
DumboCT: Who buys cues??
(*<~ Well, you do. Is it any wonder that cuemaker Edwin Reyes is
always up Dumbo's ass and defending him ? Dumbo buys an expensive cue
(Torture) which comes with a matching Jump/Break cue and a Jack Justice
case from........... Edwin Reyes at the 'invitation only' (for cue
collectors) L.A. Cue COLLECTORS Show.
NEXT,
William Lee
You are a lot less judgmental toward people that a lot of others here on the
NG.
You are willing to give the benefit of doubt and you really try to
understand.
This is really a sad condition.
I have wondered why two people that share the same interests can be so at
odds with each other.
Normal thinking would be that Jimbo and I should get along great as he is a
person that loves pool and cues and I am a person that loves making pool
cues. Seems like a natural, but somehow it all went wrong from the get go.
I really wish I had it all to do over again as I defiantly would change some
things knowing where it all would lead.
Oh well ... it is water under the bridge now and all I can do is play the
cards I hold.
William Lee
"Steve Ellis" <rsp...@RemoveThiss-c-ellis.com> wrote in message
news:2vk4d0dgk6kfo7inv...@4ax.com...
JAM
Dumbo's ass and defending him ? .... Edwin Reyes at the 'invitation only' (for
cue collectors) L.A. Cue COLLECTORS Show."
Thank you so very much, Smorg, for this piece of information. It explains
volumes about some recent posts I have read on another pool-related discussion
forum by a guy with the handle of "Bandido."
JAM
JAM
do is play the cards I hold."
"Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer" - ["Michael Corleone" in The
Godfather, Part III]
"Power wears out those who don't have it"
["Calo" (Lucchesi's assassin) in The Godfather, Part III]
JAM
William Lee
William Lee
"JAM" <jama...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20040617230821...@mb-m01.aol.com...
Smorgass Bored
http://azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=1970
it looks like Dumbo modeled for the 'skull' depicted on this cue...
imo
JAM
"When they come, they'll come at what you love." - [Michael to Vincent, The
Godfather, Part III]
"Your enemies always get strong on what you leave behind." - [Vincent, The
Godfather, Part III.]
JAM
JAM
>http://azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=1970
> it looks like Dumbo modeled for the 'skull' depicted on this cue...
>imo
You're right on the money, as usual!
JAM
Fred Agnir
"John Barton" <r...@jbideas.com> wrote
> Buying cues does not make one an expert in the construction of cues. If I
> were a betting man :-) I would bet that there are cues in Jim's collection
> which he has no idea what the maker did to construct them. What I mean is
> this: You do not disclose to every customer what exactly went into the
> construction of the cue they buy. You do not detail any improvements in
> technique or what epiphanies you had during the construction.
>
Are you suggesting there are secrets in cue making? Shocking.
> There is no possible way that Jim can know all of the things that go on in
> all of the cuemaking shops around the world just by the fact that he
> purchases cues.
True dat. Therefore, it can be safely said that this statement doesn't
apply.
Fred
Fred Agnir
"William Lee" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote
> I really wish I had it all to do over again as I defiantly would change
some
> things knowing where it all would lead.
Like...?
Michael Webb
me for offending some of you. I'm not real good with school yard bullshit. I
have my reasons for saying what I did. And begging is certainly not one of
them. I always try to do the right thing. When Willie talked about leaving
rec.sport, I responded in a positive way. When some one here on the East
coast talks about the ridiculous money they spent for your case and it's
falling apart, I respond in a positive way so they are not discouraged. When
I make one suggestion because some one has earned my respect on how a cue
performs, I get attacked. Well that shows maturity. Good job, I'm proud of
you. As far as my cues, There's not allot of them on ebay so I must be doing
some thing right and very proud of it. I didn't mean to get any thing bad
started, I meant it in a positive way.
Willie, I have always responded to you in a positive manner but if you think
you know every thing about cues, construction and different hits after four
whole years. Then let me be the first one to say you don't know shit. I do
wish you would grow up. Some day you will be a great asset to our industry
if you learn to engage you brain before your mouth. And for Mr. Barton
???? ?? ???? !
Jimbo Ct
>
>
I'm sorry Doug the link to where that was posted on ASP/RSB did not show up on
my screen, can you post that link to the RSB thread again????
Jim <---I didn't think so asshole, but please don't die your life is so sad I
want it to continue for many years
Jimbo Ct
Stalker post #3, and that's just in this thread.
Jim <---All in 20 minutes
PS Jam please explain why you have yet to bash the 4 people who agreed 100%
with my observations???
Tony DeAngelo
Michael Webb wrote:
>
> Willie, I have always responded to you in a positive manner but if you think
> you know every thing about cues, construction and different hits after four
> whole years. Then let me be the first one to say you don't know shit. I do
> wish you would grow up. Some day you will be a great asset to our industry
> if you learn to engage you brain before your mouth. And for Mr. Barton
> ???? ?? ???? !
>
> Michael Webb
> Webb Custom Cues
> http://www.webbcues.com
>
>
Thanks Mike, for making me feel less like Eddie Albert in "Green Acres".
Tony----> It's better than being Mr. French.
Tony DeAngelo
Steve, I was a neutral guy for years. That gets you nothing. Like Mike
I made what I thought was a well-meaning observation. It turned out
that anything less than full-bore worship gets you boatloads of abuse.
So your choice is basically lurk and avoid these guys or occasionally
respond to their dementia. They all share a common denominator-they're
shilling their product. Mike made his opinion clear, and I happen to
agree with him. Neither of us has a vested interest. I've said it
before but I'll say it again. If Jim said the sun was hot or the moon
is round someone (and we know who) would pipe up and argue with him.
Willee would ask Jim how he knew this if he's never been on the sun,
Barton would say he's invented a new sun which is much hotter and more
durable than our current sun. It's pathetic. I know they'll all
respond to this, and probably Chas as well. They're like the evil guys
from Krypton. The fact that they don't give a hoot about people or this
group gives them a tremendous advantage, which is why everyone is leaving.
Tony---> since when does "neutral" = "good"?
Tony DeAngelo
Michael Webb wrote to William Lee:
Then let me be the first one to say you don't know shit.
According to Willee you can carry on a conversation without resorting to
lies. I'm not calling you a liar Mike, but I do take exception to your
comment.
Tony------> you weren't the first to say it.
Barry C.
and countless sleepless nights. Anyone who knows Mike, knows what Mike
said. You don't. But in response to what you think you read, Mike can
aspire to do what ever he wants, and doesn't need your contrary statements,
just because you and Jimboct are at odds.
Barry C.
--
cameroncues.com
"John Barton" <r...@jbideas.com> wrote in message
news:FKydnUKH3NN...@centurytel.net...
>
> "Michael Webb" <webb...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:QelAc.3677$rf7.333@lakeread02...
> > I don't speak in hopes of making more friends. I have about twelve.
That's
> > enough. But when I earn the honor of having a cue in Jimbo's collection.
> > That is some thing I will be very proud of. For those who know, they
> > understand for those who don't, you never will.
> >
> > Michael Webb
> > Webb Custom Cues
> > http://www.webbcues.com
> >
> >
>
> That is degrading. This is the equivalent of public begging. I hope you
> have better aspirations than making a cue that a jerkoff like Jimbo will
> like enough to purchase. You have already made cues that are "better"
than
> some in his collection, depending on whose opinon you ask. If I were in
> your position then I would aspire to make cues that my customers feel good
> enough about to eschew all others. I would seek the accolades of my peers
> and not the cue collectors.
>
> Well, I think you build fine cues. Maybe you will get to join the ranks
of
> "elite" cuemakers when Jim Brennan grants you a pass.
>
> John Barton
>
>
Jack Justis
>(Torture) which comes with a matching Jump/Break cue and a Jack Justice
>case from...........
Hey Doug,
It's Justis, not Justice. ;-)
Jack Justis
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/JJustis4/index.html">Justis Cases</A>
BUY AMERICAN
Made in the USA
Ninebal310
> They're like the evil guys
>from Krypton. The fact that they don't give a hoot about people or this
>group gives them a tremendous advantage, which is why everyone is leaving.
>Tony---> since when does "neutral" = "good"?
You tell 'em Superman! :-)
Hank
William Lee
William Lee
"Fred Agnir" <ohag...@PASScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:KluAc.70911$Sw.9970@attbi_s51...
John Barton
"Barry C." <ba...@nojunk2cameroncues.com> wrote in message
news:1VAAc.217$dg7...@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com...
> John, you have no clue. Mike has earned everything he has through hard
work
> and countless sleepless nights. Anyone who knows Mike, knows what Mike
> said. You don't. But in response to what you think you read, Mike can
> aspire to do what ever he wants, and doesn't need your contrary
statements,
> just because you and Jimboct are at odds.
>
> Barry C.
>
> --
>
> cameroncues.com
Barry,
This is a newsgroup. Everyone is entitled to express their opinions about
what is put in the public domain. I know FULL well the quality of Mike's
work. I expressed my opinion of his statements and that's it. I expressed
my opinion of your statements and that's it. How do you know that William
Lee hasn't learned everything he knows through hard work and sleepless
nights? You told Willie to go out into the world like Jim. I think that
your advice to Willie was snobby and audacious.
Yes, I am at odds with Jim and everything he stands for. His cuemaker
friends are bought and paid for. When I see statements like the ones you
and Mike made it makes my blood boil. If this puts us at odds then it does.
I don't kowtow to people just because they are my customers or because I
want them as customers. I put my stuff out there and am cordial and willing
to go the extra mile to try and please people. There are participants in
this NG with whom I have argued extensively who were my customers before the
arguing and who are my customers still. You two may respect Jim for his
"knowledge" of cues but I don't. I think that your suggestions that Willee
have anything to do with him is ridiculous.
Wishing you both tremendous success. I hope that your cues always end up
just where you want them.
John
William Lee
"Michael Webb" <webb...@cox.net> wrote
> Well I must admit, this is some interesting reading material. Please
excuse
> me for offending some of you. I'm not real good with school yard bullshit.
I
> have my reasons for saying what I did. And begging is certainly not one of
> them. I always try to do the right thing. When Willie talked about leaving
> rec.sport, I responded in a positive way.
Thank you Mike, Like I said those emails were private.
I will not disclose who said what by email other than the count.
A few here think it was bullshit but it was on the up and up.
>When some one here on the East
> coast talks about the ridiculous money they spent for your case and it's
> falling apart, I respond in a positive way so they are not discouraged.
When
> I make one suggestion because some one has earned my respect on how a cue
> performs, I get attacked. Well that shows maturity. Good job, I'm proud of
> you. As far as my cues, There's not allot of them on ebay so I must be
doing
> some thing right and very proud of it. I didn't mean to get any thing bad
> started, I meant it in a positive way.
>
> Willie, I have always responded to you in a positive manner but if you
think
> you know every thing about cues, construction and different hits after
four
> whole years. Then let me be the first one to say you don't know shit.
I never said I know it all, Mike, I have never wanted to give that
impression.
I am a fast learner, have an appitude for cuemaking and am good at it.
That is all I have ever eluded to.
Please stop spreading this bullshit as fact.
That is exactly the problem and I am getting rather tired of it.
All this bullshit, that I know everything, was started by one asshole
misquoting what I said and outright lying.
Joe Van jumped on the band wagon and got his shoe in his mouth.
And you are buying into it without trying to understand what it was I really
said or even asking me to explain.
Do you really think I would profess to know 95% of all cuemaking knowledge,
much less know it all?
I have been around enough cuemakers to see how some of them act and I am a
lightweight when it comes to acting like a know it all. If it aint their way
it is the wrong way.
I choose my words very carefully around here just because of the misquoters
that like to twist words around to a new and always derogatory meaning.
Read what I post and don't buy into the bullshit.
> I do wish you would grow up.
When dealing with children I often drop down to their level so they can
understand me better.
It is obvious that when I talk like an adult the children here can not
understand what I am saying so they just make up something of their own and
say I said it.
William Lee
William Lee
"Tony DeAngelo" <aj...@adelphia.net> wrote
>
> If Jim said the sun was hot or the moon
> is round someone (and we know who) would pipe up and argue with him.
> Willee would ask Jim how he knew this if he's never been on the sun,
I think you have got this backwards, Tony.
But being you blindly defend Jimbo it is understandable you would twist it
around.
> Barton would say he's invented a new sun which is much hotter and more
> durable than our current sun. It's pathetic. I know they'll all
> respond to this, and probably Chas as well. They're like the evil guys
> from Krypton. The fact that they don't give a hoot about people or this
> group gives them a tremendous advantage, which is why everyone is leaving.
When you leaving, Tony?
William Lee
John Barton
(snip)
When some one here on the East
> coast talks about the ridiculous money they spent for your case and it's
> falling apart, I respond in a positive way so they are not discouraged.
They don't need to be discouraged. All they have to do is pick up the phone
and call Instroke to get the problem fixed. 888-806-0275. www.instroke.com
Just like I would tell anyone that I ever came across who had a problem with
a Webb cue. Call Mike, I am sure he'll take care of you. I wonder how it
is that otehr people manage to have their cases for 10+ years and they don't
"fall apart". You see Mike language is a funny thing. Instroke cases do
not "fall apart". They are used differently by each person and some people
handle their cases more roughly than others do. So please try that red
herring argument on someone else.
When
> I make one suggestion because some one has earned my respect on how a cue
> performs, I get attacked. Well that shows maturity. Good job, I'm proud of
> you. As far as my cues, There's not allot of them on ebay so I must be
doing
> some thing right and very proud of it. I didn't mean to get any thing bad
> started, I meant it in a positive way.
You didn't get attacked. You got my opinion of what you said. I don't see
what not having cues on Ebay has to do with anything. Cues on Ebay only has
to do with supply and demand. This is kind of proof of what I am talking
about. You hold Jim up as an expert and Jim says that Ebay is a true
reflection of a cue's worth. So why don't you put your cues up on Ebay with
no reserve and see where they go? You didn't get anything bad started. I
merely expressed my opinion of how I interpret your statements.
>
> Willie, I have always responded to you in a positive manner but if you
think
> you know every thing about cues, construction and different hits after
four
> whole years. Then let me be the first one to say you don't know shit. I do
> wish you would grow up. Some day you will be a great asset to our industry
> if you learn to engage you brain before your mouth. And for Mr. Barton
> ???? ?? ???? !
Willie has NEVER said he knows everything about cues. He has NEVER
insinuated that he knows everything about cues. Willie is always
experimenting with different materials and construction methods. This is
where I personally took offense to your suggestion that he deal with Jimbo.
Screw Jimbo. If you think that Jimbo is some great expert on cues just
because he buys them then maybe you don't know anything, to turn it around.
If you want to give some credible advice how about telling him to send the
cue to Proficient Billiards, Joe Salazar or people who deal in cues for
their livelihood for an good estimate of where he fits in the cue market?
Sorry you were offended.
John
Barry C.
> Barry,
>
> How would you know what Willie has experienced or not? Willie has been to
> the same shows that Jim has been to?
for your questions? I do know of one show they both attended..... Jimbo
has mentioned that particular show serveral times on this group. I know the
majority of shows Jimbo has been too. Willie has mentioned none, and with
Williee's posting habits, odds are we would have heard about any or all.
But, that's my opinion.
>
> I would venture to say that Willie has more EXPERIENCE actually building
> cues and experimenting with different materials and techniques than Jim.
>
> Buying cues does not make one an expert in the construction of cues. If I
> were a betting man :-) I would bet that there are cues in Jim's collection
> which he has no idea what the maker did to construct them.
Pretty safe bet. There are many cues out there that EVEN other cuemakers
don't know how they were constructed. Safe bet?????
What I mean is
> this: You do not disclose to every customer what exactly went into the
> construction of the cue they buy. You do not detail any improvements in
> technique or what epiphanies you had during the construction.
If the customer asks, many cuemakers will disclose aspects of the
construction, some even use the type of materials and construction as a
sells tool.
> There is no possible way that Jim can know all of the things that go on in
> all of the cuemaking shops around the world just by the fact that he
> purchases cues.
I don't think anyone has claimed that Jimbo, you, Williee or anyone else has
knowledge of all the things that go on in all cuemaking shops around the
world. What I said is Jimbo has more
experience with cues, construction etc; than you can imagine.
I purchase cues as well and I would say that of the
> non-cuemakers here I am probably in the top five people who has spent the
> most amount of time in cuemaker's shops as well as cue factories. Even
with
> this knowledge I am constantly amazed at the different ways that various
> cuemakers arrive at the same conclusion, which is creating a well built
> instrument for playing pool.
>
> Maybe more people should spend time in Willie's world to experience what
can
> be rather than arguing about what was.
>
> John
John, apparently you can't get past any posts that have the name Jimbo in
it and assume that such posts are only for arguements sake. My post was
not a flame on anyone. I did find Willee's post somewhat humorous,
concerning his Harley scenerio. It can be applied to all different
situations. People can spend there time working in the own little world and
be very content and knowledgable, but getting out beyond is finding out that
you are only a small dot in the big picture. And as I stated earlier, Jimbo
probably has more experience in cues and construction than you can imagine.
Barry C.
> "Barry C." <ba...@nojunk2cameroncues.com> wrote in message
> news:R8nAc.151$Br5...@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> >
> > --
> > "William Lee" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:oKlAc.1199$M96....@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > > Kinda like the Harley thing ... right?
> > > Explaining what riding a Harley is like to someone that has never rode
> one
> > > is imposable.
> >
> > This is a small part of your problem......you said it. Until you can
get
> > out of Willee world and experience some of what pool and cues is really
> out
> > there, then you can never see the big picture of who is who or what is
> what.
> > Dont' feel alone, there are lots of folks like that. I know you stated
> that
> > info from a book is just as good as experience... (that is not meant to
be
> a
> > direct quote from you or a flame) and I'll aways disagree. Jimmy has
more
> > experience with cues, construction etc; than you can imagine, because
you
> > haven't been out to see what goes on beyond RSB. It can be a humbling
> > experience. And this info is regardless of which one of you are
assholes.
> >
> > Barry C. <sometimes asshole, but not on RSB
> >
> >
>
>
Frank Brent
Excellent post by a respected professional!
Frank B
William Lee
"Barry C." <ba...@nojunk2cameroncues.com> wrote
> I did find Willee's post somewhat humorous,
> concerning his Harley scenerio. It can be applied to all different
> situations.
>People can spend there time working in the own little world and
> be very content and knowledgable, but getting out beyond is finding out
that
> you are only a small dot in the big picture. And as I stated earlier,
Jimbo
> probably has more experience in cues and construction than you can
imagine.
>
> Barry C.
I am very glad to see that you have taken what I posted it the exact way it
was intended to be taken.
25 respect points for you, Barry.
Ya know ... this Barry I like.
I dont think we would ever have had any problems had you approched me this
way years ago.
You say what you got to say in a respectful manor that demands respect in
return.
Others .... please take notice of what is going on here.
William Lee
John Barton
>
> "John Barton" <r...@jbideas.com> wrote in message
> news:ePCdnWNsALK...@centurytel.net...
> > Barry,
> >
> > How would you know what Willie has experienced or not? Willie has been
to
> > the same shows that Jim has been to?
>
> for your questions? I do know of one show they both attended..... Jimbo
> has mentioned that particular show serveral times on this group. I know
the
> majority of shows Jimbo has been too. Willie has mentioned none, and with
> Williee's posting habits, odds are we would have heard about any or all.
> But, that's my opinion.
>
Stiil not enough for you to assume that Willie is inexperienced with the
world at large and advise him to get out of his world.
> >
> > I would venture to say that Willie has more EXPERIENCE actually building
> > cues and experimenting with different materials and techniques than Jim.
> >
> > Buying cues does not make one an expert in the construction of cues. If
I
> > were a betting man :-) I would bet that there are cues in Jim's
collection
> > which he has no idea what the maker did to construct them.
>
> Pretty safe bet. There are many cues out there that EVEN other cuemakers
> don't know how they were constructed. Safe bet?????
Which is exactly my point. So WHERE would Willie benefit by having Jimbo
look at one or some of his cues?
>
> What I mean is
> > this: You do not disclose to every customer what exactly went into the
> > construction of the cue they buy. You do not detail any improvements in
> > technique or what epiphanies you had during the construction.
>
> If the customer asks, many cuemakers will disclose aspects of the
> construction, some even use the type of materials and construction as a
> sells tool.
Yes they will and do. Although it is not the practice for cuemakers to
discuss every detail of the cue's construction to the layman so it is a safe
bet that Jim knows about as much as any avid enthusiast.
>
> > There is no possible way that Jim can know all of the things that go on
in
> > all of the cuemaking shops around the world just by the fact that he
> > purchases cues.
>
> I don't think anyone has claimed that Jimbo, you, Williee or anyone else
has
> knowledge of all the things that go on in all cuemaking shops around the
> world. What I said is Jimbo has more
> experience with cues, construction etc; than you can imagine.
Your expert has claimed that my imagination is pretty vivid. I doubt that
Jimbo has even a smidgeon of the experience that I could imagine. No, what
was claimed is that Jimbo has a lot of cue knowledge and that somehow this
cue knowledge could help Willie get into the cue market. I think that this
is bogus advice.
>
> I purchase cues as well and I would say that of the
> > non-cuemakers here I am probably in the top five people who has spent
the
> > most amount of time in cuemaker's shops as well as cue factories. Even
> with
> > this knowledge I am constantly amazed at the different ways that various
> > cuemakers arrive at the same conclusion, which is creating a well built
> > instrument for playing pool.
> >
> > Maybe more people should spend time in Willie's world to experience what
> can
> > be rather than arguing about what was.
> >
> > John
>
>
> John, apparently you can't get past any posts that have the name Jimbo in
> it and assume that such posts are only for arguements sake. My post was
> not a flame on anyone. I did find Willee's post somewhat humorous,
> concerning his Harley scenerio. It can be applied to all different
> situations. People can spend there time working in the own little world
and
> be very content and knowledgable, but getting out beyond is finding out
that
> you are only a small dot in the big picture. And as I stated earlier,
Jimbo
> probably has more experience in cues and construction than you can
imagine.
>
I understood perfectly what your post was about. My post was simply my
opinion of it which is that Jim Brennan has nothing that he can offer to
William Lee in the way of advice or introduction to the cue market at large.
Perhaps I am wrong, probably so. I can very well get past posts that have
the word Jimbo in them, if not then I would be up all day and night, every
day and night describing what a putz he is. He does a well enough job on
his own. I am responding to the idea that he has anything to offer Willie.
I find that idea repugnant and ridiculous.
John
Fred Agnir
Smorgass Bored
(Torture) which comes with a matching Jump/Break cue and a Jack Justice
case from...........
Hey Doug,
It's Justis, not Justice. ;-)
Jack Justis
(*<~ I knew that, but apparently my fingers didn't. If thy right eye
offend thee, pluck it out...
looking for a clever for that bad, bad finger.... imo Sorry
!
NEXT,
Barry C.
That's the whole thing in a nut shell, John. You have a problem with Jimbo.
It is YOUR problem, not mine and not Mike's. But you want to try and make
it mine & Mike's.
> I don't kowtow to people just because they are my customers or because I
> want them as customers.
I've never asked Jimmy or anyone else to buy a cue, and your suggestion of
kowtow etc; is offensive.
I put my stuff out there and am cordial and willing
> to go the extra mile to try and please people. There are participants in
> this NG with whom I have argued extensively who were my customers before
the
> arguing and who are my customers still.
You two may respect Jim for his
> "knowledge" of cues but I don't.
And that's your choice.
I think that your suggestions that Willee
> have anything to do with him is ridiculous
>
> Wishing you both tremendous success. I hope that your cues always end up
> just where you want them.
>
> John
Thank you for your support, it's duly noted.
Barry C.
Fred Agnir
"John Barton" <r...@jbideas.com> wrote
> My post was simply my
> opinion of it which is that Jim Brennan has nothing that he can offer to
> William Lee in the way of advice or introduction to the cue market at
large.
> Perhaps I am wrong, probably so.
I think this goes to the very heart of the initial dispute between the
Willee faction and everyone else who Willee argues with at this point . In
the early stages, when Willee was just starting, we could safely say that he
didn't know much and that there was a ton of knowledge on this board that he
could use to his advantage. His manner (and you know damned well what his
"manner is") struck and continues to strike ill chords with those of us who
have spent our lives being more than "avid enthusiasts." John, for you to
consider someone like Jim on the same level of "avid enthusiast" is fairly
ridiculous. I know there's tap dancing on this subject, so I'll say more tap
dancing. Jim obviously doesn't want to talk about who and what and why he
knows what he knows. It's never been about him. Or else he would have talked
about himself. But he doesn't and never has.
To Willee: I honestly believe that ... I won't say specific names... WE had
a lot to offer in your quest to become a cuemaker. More than you could
imagine, I suppose. Unfortunately, I don't believe you could see that in
what was always your quick-to-defend style of posting. And today, everything
is an argument based on what you perceived as past history.
Fred
William Lee
"John Barton" <r...@jbideas.com> wrote
>
> I understood perfectly what your post was about. My post was simply my
> opinion of it which is that Jim Brennan has nothing that he can offer to
> William Lee in the way of advice or introduction to the cue market at
large.
> Perhaps I am wrong, probably so. I can very well get past posts that have
> the word Jimbo in them, if not then I would be up all day and night, every
> day and night describing what a putz he is. He does a well enough job on
> his own. I am responding to the idea that he has anything to offer
Willie.
> I find that idea repugnant and ridiculous.
>
> John
>
I might add that Jimbo's idea of a successful cuemaker is one that makes and
sell hundreds of cues a year for lots of money.
That is and has never been my intention or motivation for making cues.
I think that is why Jinbo could offer me little as he can not understand
where I am coming from.
Or he understands but just wanted to make trouble and give me grief.
To his credit he has been leaving me alone lately and I welcome this change
in his pattern.
However ... others have picked up the slack.
William Lee
William Lee
"Fred Agnir" <ohag...@PASScomcast.net> wrote
> To Willee: I honestly believe that ... I won't say specific names... WE
had
> a lot to offer in your quest to become a cuemaker. More than you could
> imagine, I suppose. Unfortunately, I don't believe you could see that in
> what was always your quick-to-defend style of posting. And today,
everything
> is an argument based on what you perceived as past history.
>
> Fred
Fred, what you say here is a lot nicer than what you have said to me in the
past.
Please note something ....
I am a cuemaker in spite of not taking advantage of all the vast knowledge
available here.
There are other resources that are available to anyone wanting to learn the
craft.
Never have I had a real cuemaker refuse to help me learn something new about
the craft.
All I have to do is ask on the phone cause it dont happen here.
Here on the NG it is a constant fight as to who is the liar, you said this,
and twisted misquotes just to start arguments.
I say one thing and someone twists it around into something I did not say
and posts it back as a direct quote and then the weasel word arguments
start.
Even when the lie is refuted beyond a doubt the person keeps on posting it
just to cause trouble.
If nothing can be found to twist into a lie then they look for spelling and
grammar errors and call you an idiot for that.
You, of all people, know exactly what I am talking about.
Yes ... I do that also.
I aint Mr. Clean and when provoked can get down and dirty better than most
around here.
But where do you think I learned that bit of knowledge?
Ya think I had that skill before I came here?
And I do it mostly out of self defense to the ones that have done it to me.
What I have learned here in the last four years is how to twist something
someone says into something else, how to push buttons and piss people off so
they respond like a madman, how to act like a jerk of an asshole, and how to
disrespect people by lying about them.
That is what is taught here and if you want to learn about cuemaking this is
not the place for it.
Do you make cues Fred?
Did you want to teach me how?
Or were you more set on making me look like an idiot.
Well you and the others have won that war cause I do look like an idiot but
what you have also created is what you see today here on the NG. Its partly
your baby so feel some pride about it.
William Lee
John Barton
"Fred Agnir" <ohag...@PASScomcast.net> wrote in message
>
> "John Barton" <r...@jbideas.com> wrote
>
>
> > My post was simply my
> > opinion of it which is that Jim Brennan has nothing that he can offer to
> > William Lee in the way of advice or introduction to the cue market at
> large.
> > Perhaps I am wrong, probably so.
>
> I think this goes to the very heart of the initial dispute between the
> Willee faction and everyone else who Willee argues with at this point . In
> the early stages, when Willee was just starting, we could safely say that
he
> didn't know much and that there was a ton of knowledge on this board that
he
> could use to his advantage. His manner (and you know damned well what his
> "manner is") struck and continues to strike ill chords with those of us
who
> have spent our lives being more than "avid enthusiasts." John, for you to
> consider someone like Jim on the same level of "avid enthusiast" is fairly
> ridiculous. I know there's tap dancing on this subject, so I'll say more
tap
> dancing. Jim obviously doesn't want to talk about who and what and why he
> knows what he knows. It's never been about him. Or else he would have
talked
> about himself. But he doesn't and never has.
Jim certainly does talk about himself. Every time he cuts down someone else
he is saying that he knows more. If he did not "talk" about himself then he
would not tell us about how such and such show was invitation only and that
he was one of the invitees. For your information there were other invitees
that chose not to go. Jim certainly does like to talk about who and what he
knows - when he feels it will benefit him - otherwise he would not have
stuck his nose in concerning Scott Taylor on this newsgroup. Yes, Willee is
irritating. Yes, John Barton is irritating and yes it's about time that you
admit that your friend Jim Brennan is irritating. As long as we are all
being honest in group today.
I don't care if Jim is largest purchaser and connoisseur of cues on the
planet Earth. For anyone on this newsgroup who is familiar with their
history to suggest that he has anything to offer William Lee, even in jest,
is lunacy.
>
> To Willee: I honestly believe that ... I won't say specific names... WE
had
> a lot to offer in your quest to become a cuemaker. More than you could
> imagine, I suppose. Unfortunately, I don't believe you could see that in
> what was always your quick-to-defend style of posting. And today,
everything
> is an argument based on what you perceived as past history.
>
> Fred
>
If you people would just leave him alone then there wouldn't be any problem.
Many cuemakers have shared their work with the group and only one has been
hassled and ridiculed by a select few. Is it any coincidence that this one
cuemaker refused to play by the rules of the few? What are those rules you
ask? Very simply do not diasgree with anything said by those people and you
will get along fine in this newsgroup. Had Willee done this then you are
right, he would have been an accepted member and been showered with
endlessly valuable cuemaking tips. I would like to ask Sherm, Dick, Dan,
Mike, Sheldon, Barry, Thierry, Jerry, Barry Z., and all the other cuemakers
who come here how much about cuemaking they have learned through their
participation in this group? To add to the question, is there anything you
have learned from this group about cuemaking that was not posted to the
group for any and all readers to see for themselves? Did some of the group
members email any of you privately to instruct you on cuemaking as a result
of your exemplary conduct here in the newsgroup?
John
Sherm Adamson
> I would like to ask Sherm, Dick, Dan,
> Mike, Sheldon, Barry, Thierry, Jerry, Barry Z., and all the other
cuemakers
> who come here how much about cuemaking they have learned through their
> participation in this group?
Hard to say "how much" I've learned from my participation over the last 10
years in this group. Certainly I've picked up a tidbit here and there! I
hope I never stop learning!
> To add to the question, is there anything you
> have learned from this group about cuemaking that was not posted to the
> group for any and all readers to see for themselves?
Yes, probably. I've had some email correspondence with other cuemakers in
the group. I've had questions from several cuemakers over the years, even
Willee, IIRC and have tried to help when possible! I've also asked other
cuemakers questions and have gotten some good info this way!
> Did some of the group
> members email any of you privately to instruct you on cuemaking as a
result
> of your exemplary conduct here in the newsgroup?
I don't know if I'd put it that way, but as I previously mentioned, there
has been some communication and sharing of ideas.
> John
>
--
just more hot air! 8^)
Sherm
aka "cuesmith" in yahoo
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Barry C.
>
> "Barry C." <ba...@nojunk2cameroncues.com> wrote in message
> news:paCAc.242$6S3...@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > "John Barton" <r...@jbideas.com> wrote in message
> > news:ePCdnWNsALK...@centurytel.net...
> > > Barry,
> > >
> > > How would you know what Willie has experienced or not? Willie has
been
> to
> > > the same shows that Jim has been to?
> >
> > for your questions? I do know of one show they both attended.....
Jimbo
> > has mentioned that particular show serveral times on this group. I know
> the
> > majority of shows Jimbo has been too. Willie has mentioned none, and
with
> > Williee's posting habits, odds are we would have heard about any or all.
> > But, that's my opinion.
> >
>
> Stiil not enough for you to assume that Willie is inexperienced with the
> world at large and advise him to get out of his world.
for you, I assume. But that is my opinion
> > > I would venture to say that Willie has more EXPERIENCE actually
building
> > > cues and experimenting with different materials and techniques than
Jim.
> > >
> > > Buying cues does not make one an expert in the construction of cues.
If
> I
> > > were a betting man :-) I would bet that there are cues in Jim's
> collection
> > > which he has no idea what the maker did to construct them.
> >
> > Pretty safe bet. There are many cues out there that EVEN other cuemakers
> > don't know how they were constructed. Safe bet?????
>
> Which is exactly my point. So WHERE would Willie benefit by having Jimbo
> look at one or some of his cues?
John, I don't think I said anything about Jimbo looking at Willee's cues...
Where did you come up with this?
Well, I don't know where you got this info or read anything about Jimbo
helping Williee by looking at Willee's cues.... Where do you come up with
this?????
Tony DeAngelo
Smorgass Bored wrote:
> Jack J. wrote:
> It's Justis, not Justice. ;-)
> Jack Justis
There is no Justice. If there were, Willee would smash his pc.
Steve.
> Plonk you.
In case anybody else was over come with curiousity about the
derivation of this term, from www.dictionary.com
plonk
<networking, abuse> (Possibly influenced by British slang
"plonk" for cheap booze, or "plonker" for someone behaving
stupidly; usually written "*plonk*") The sound a newbie
makes as he falls to the bottom of a kill file. While this
term originated in the Usenet newsgroup
news:talk.bizarre, by 1994 it was widespread on Usenet and
mailing lists as a form of public ridicule.
Another theory is that it is an acronym for "Person with
Little Or No Knowledge".
William Lee
"Tony DeAngelo" <aj...@adelphia.net> wrote
Tony, Seek professional help immediately.
You are developing a fixation complex toward Willee.
That he is all you talk about anymore.
Willee this ... Willee that ... perhaps it's just love.
William Lee
William Lee
"Steve." <rsb-asp...@s-c-ellis.com> wrote
> "William Lee" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote
> > Plonk you.
>
Actually Steve, that was just a humorous reply to Fred asking what I would
do differently if I could go back four years on this NG.
A more serious reply would be that I would disagree with no one, act dumb as
a rock, share nothing, hardly ever post anything, and tell everyone how
smart and clever I thought they were.
I would be the most liked person here (as if that would mean anything)
William Lee
Barry C.
I would like to ask Sherm, Dick, Dan,
> Mike, Sheldon, Barry, Thierry, Jerry, Barry Z., and all the other
cuemakers
> who come here how much about cuemaking they have learned through their
> participation in this group?
I'm sure I have picked up on a few things. It really used to be fun, sharing
and reading what others had to offer... but, it doesn't happen anymore.
To add to the question, is there anything you
> have learned from this group about cuemaking that was not posted to the
> group for any and all readers to see for themselves?
I would have to say yes..... I believe so...
Did some of the group
> members email any of you privately to instruct you on cuemaking as a
result
> of your exemplary conduct here in the newsgroup?
>
> John
I don't know their reasons... but others have shared their thoughts via
email
Barry C.
Jimbo Ct
>insinuated that he knows everything about cues.
He more then insinuated that he knew 95% of the trade, if you chose to ignore
his words it's fine, but you'd do better if you just didn't bring up the topic
rather then trying to twist it with fancy words, nobody ever said he knew
"everything". (that 5% he doesn't know is the tough part)
JCB: >he deal with Jimbo.
>Screw Jimbo. If you think that Jimbo is some great expert on cues just
>because he buys them then maybe you don't know anything,
Waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! Jimbo,Jimbo,jimbo Stop crying John, the obsession is just
out of control. You keep projecting your hate and your observations of me to
the group. I never claimed on this group that I buy, collect, or do anything
with cues, these are all your thoughts on me. Maybe I've sat down in person at
tournaments and talked via e-mails and the phone with Mike, and maybe through
our conversations Mike got the impression that I had a clue. You'd love to
twist this into Mike making up so crap about me because of how you perceive me.
Please don't assume to know why Mike has any respect for me, you sound like a
complete ass here because all of your arguments are only based on a few posts
here. You hate me so to you I must not know anything, you like Willy so to you
he's the best. The major flaw in your reasoning is that people's knowledge is
never judged by how you feel about them personally, your views are jaded and
they expose you for a fraud and a moron. Using your logic many people would
think Instroke cases must suck because you are to much of a psycho nut to make
anything good, it's not true, even with all your wacky attributes you made a
nice case.
Jim <---Wondering how far John will try to take this?
Fred Agnir
"William Lee" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote
> Fred, what you say here is a lot nicer than what you have said to me in
the
> past.
The vast majority of my posts to you have been of this same vein. Only your
reaction defines what you think they have been, real or not. Mostly, it's
been imagined on your side with a barage of over-the-top defense.
> Please note something ....
> I am a cuemaker in spite of not taking advantage of all the vast knowledge
> available here.
> There are other resources that are available to anyone wanting to learn
the
> craft.
> Never have I had a real cuemaker refuse to help me learn something new
about
> the craft.
> All I have to do is ask on the phone cause it dont happen here.
That's all great. I'm glad you've had those sources. Why then would you
alienate others (specifically, others that are on this newsgroup)? Wouldn't
you rather get information from as many sources as possible?
>
> Here on the NG it is a constant fight as to who is the liar, you said
this,
> and twisted misquotes just to start arguments.
> I say one thing and someone twists it around into something I did not say
> and posts it back as a direct quote and then the weasel word arguments
> start.
I've never seen it that way. What I *have* seen is that you've posted things
with questionable wording and timing. When your wording gets questioned,
you've flown off the handle in super-defense mode. That's the way I've
always seen it. Hence, the constant accusations of your reading
comprehension. I honestly don't think it's a comprehension issue; I think
it's just you always have a pre-conceived notion of what you think someone
is or is going to say, so you bat away even thought that's *not* what was
said.
>
> Yes ... I do that also.
> I aint Mr. Clean and when provoked can get down and dirty better than most
> around here.
> But where do you think I learned that bit of knowledge?
> Ya think I had that skill before I came here?
Do you really think you should put that blame on the group? We are all big
boys and girls. We bring what and who we are to this dance all on our own.
Own up to your own short-comings man.
> And I do it mostly out of self defense to the ones that have done it to
me.
I don't see it that way. (See above)
> Do you make cues Fred?
> Did you want to teach me how?
No, and I never said I did. But, you can glean a whole lot of education from
professionals of related industries. Learn from as many sources as you can.
Maybe you don't get it. If you were to become a case maker, you can get a
ton of useful information from those in the plastics and leather world along
with other industries. Same for cuemaking. I've always shared my information
in related industries. Take it or leave it. Yet, you've mocked me as a
"know-it-all," even though what I'm doing is providing information as it
pertains to my profession that might be related to cuemaking (or whatever)
in plastics, automation, robotics, assembly, manufacturing, project
management, designing, building, testing, robust industrial design, joint
design.... should I go on? That's my job, the same stuff I've been doing for
my entire engineering career. I only know what I know. No more, no less.
Whether you can learn from anything I have to offer is up to you. I've
always been here to share.
Fred
Fred Agnir
"John Barton" <r...@jbideas.com> wrote
> If he did not "talk" about himself then he
> would not tell us about how such and such show was invitation only and
that
> he was one of the invitees.
Did he? He normally doesn't. Did he post that here on RSB?
> For your information there were other invitees
> that chose not to go. Jim certainly does like to talk about who and what
he
> knows - when he feels it will benefit him - otherwise he would not have
> stuck his nose in concerning Scott Taylor on this newsgroup.
There was history with Scott Taylor before, so I'm not sure where you're
going with this.
> Yes, Willee is
> irritating. Yes, John Barton is irritating and yes it's about time that
you
> admit that your friend Jim Brennan is irritating. As long as we are all
> being honest in group today.
It's time I admit that Jim is irritating? Is there a point that you think
that I *wouldn't* admit that? Jim is irritating as all get out, especially
if you're an ass. Because he'll call you on it straight out.
>
> I don't care if Jim is largest purchaser and connoisseur of cues on the
> planet Earth. For anyone on this newsgroup who is familiar with their
> history to suggest that he has anything to offer William Lee, even in
jest,
> is lunacy.
>
Then you're missing the boat, and I must be a lunatic.
> If you people would just leave him alone then there wouldn't be any
problem.
> Many cuemakers have shared their work with the group and only one has been
> hassled and ridiculed by a select few. Is it any coincidence that this
one
> cuemaker refused to play by the rules of the few? What are those rules
you
> ask? Very simply do not diasgree with anything said by those people and
you
> will get along fine in this newsgroup.
No John. Willee said something odd (several somethings, daily), and got
called on it. We all say things oddly and get called on it. How we react is
the difference. Willee's reaction was anti-social. He's admitted several
times that he thinks he's just "wired different." There's no mystery here.
Fred
Fred Agnir
"William Lee" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote
>
> A more serious reply would be that I would disagree with no one, act dumb
as
> a rock, share nothing, hardly ever post anything, and tell everyone how
> smart and clever I thought they were.
>
I think a better answer might be "read the group a little more and get the
flavor of USENET in general." Followed up with "wouldn't take everything as
a personal insult, clarify my position when I've obviously said something
misleading, and admit I'm wrong when I'm wrong."
Fred
Jimbo Ct
Almost true, you left out the part about how the only reason you felt compelled
to respond was due to the fact that my name was in the text. You had no problem
with his words, you had a problem with my name. (Read stalker)
JCB: >Yes, I am at odds with Jim and everything he stands for.
LOL, LOL This is a classic, please share to the group what it is that I stand
for. I'm dying to hear this. (I hope it includes Truth and the American way)
JCB: >His cuemaker
>friends are bought and paid for.
Who are my "Cuemaker Friends" and what proof do you have that they are bought
or paid for? Also I'll add that since I consider Mr. Webb a friend and he most
certainly is a cuemaker how can you explain the fact that I have never bought a
cue nor have I given him any money? I Guess it shoots your argument right out
of the water, but you can post your proof anytime.
JCB: >I don't kowtow to people just because they are my customers or because I
>want them as customers.
Now you are putting words in Mike's mouth, he gave his opinion and now you are
reading into it. You can't put forth a decent argument when you let your hate
rule your words.
JCB: > There are participants in
>this NG with whom I have argued extensively who were my customers before the
>arguing and who are my customers still.
I think I'm on that list. I love your cases and have said so many times, you on
the other hand are Nuts. I can't wait till you send me one of the new cases.
;-) pal.
JCB: > You two may respect Jim for his
>"knowledge" of cues but I don't.
Again letting hate rule your emotions isn't a smart move. You nothing about my
knowledge, all you know is you HATE JimBo. You have no knowledge of what I do
or don't know but yet you make silly claims based on your hatred.
JCB: > I think that your suggestions that Willee
>have anything to do with him is ridiculous.
I agree, I wouldn't have anything to do with him, I have already done way more
then I should have for him.
Jim <---Thinks John needs to clear his head and stop making dumb remarks fueled
by hate.
Jimbo Ct
to
>discuss every detail of the cue's construction to the layman
John you made a (dumb) claim that you feel you've been in more shops then 90%
(something stupid along these lines) blah blah blah. Well if you are telling
the truth about being in shops I think you would know that cuemakers are much
more willing to share info with people they are not worried about stealing
ideas. I know of many cue makers who would gladly let layman in but not other
cuemakers. I know of many cue makers who will sho me their machines and explain
them but not let pictures be taken because they don't want them copied by other
cuemakers.
Jim <-------Has been in more cue shops then 98% of the people in his town :-)
Jimbo Ct
>would not tell us about how such and such show was invitation only and that
>he was one of the invitees.
John once again you let hate ruin a good argument. Will you please post the
link to me saying anything like this on this news group? I doubt you can
because you fell prey to another obsessed stalker who posted it. You never read
me make any claims like this here and until you show the proof I wish you'd
stop using it as a part of your hate driven argument.
JCB: >Jim certainly does like to talk about who and what he
>knows
Please post a list of the people I know and it would help if you also added the
links to the threads so we can all see me talking about these people I know.
JCB: >otherwise he would not have
>stuck his nose in concerning Scott Taylor on this newsgroup.
I happened to know some info on your good buddy Scott and posted it. I'm sorry
it pisses you off when I out someone for doing something slimy, the funny part
is what I posted was true and Scott never objected and as a matter of fact when
I see him now he is civil and talks with me, that must kill you. As a matter of
fact at the BCA Scott made it a point to say Hi to me and then asked if I had
talked with you, he's the one who wanted me to come by and chat with you, he
dragged me over. BTW Scott knows you're nuts but he likes you anyway, as do I.
Jimbo Ct
JCB saz: >Yes, John Barton is irritating and yes it's about time that you
>admit that your friend Jim Brennan is irritating.
John nobody (me encluded) has ever denied that I am irritating. The point here
is how your good pal Willy won't own up to it himself or try to correct it, all
he does is blame others for what he does and what he can control.
JCB: >I don't care if Jim is largest purchaser and connoisseur of cues on the
>planet Earth.
Again John this is just some BS that you are trying to invent to help you and
your cause. Do you have any proof as to any cues I've ever bought? Why do you
continue to use this in all your attacks when it is pure conjecture? I would
never deny buying cues or collecting but as to what I own or who I bought it
from or who and why people are friends of mine goes it's all made up bullshit
by you. JAM has now followed your lead because it's hard for her to form a
clear thought. but the fact is I don't talk about these things and for you to
just guess at it and try to use it as ammo is a joke. So please post some of
the proof that anything you say about me is true. Why should anyone buy a word
you say when you make this crap up to fit your hate filled post of the day?
Anything I've ever said is in google for all time, if I do all this bragging
that you claim it will be very easy to prove, you seem to have plenty of time
on your hands. back up what you say or stop saying it.
Roger Orsulak
"Jimbo Ct" <jim...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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William Lee
"Jimbo Ct" <jim...@aol.comnojunk> wrote
> John nobody (me excluded) has ever denied that I am irritating. The point
here
> is how your good pal Willy won't own up to it himself or try to correct
it, all
> he does is blame others for what he does and what he can control.
Bimbo you are such a pompas ego inflated ass.
You want to read and reply to what I post but because you have said you are
ignoring me you do it in a sneaky round about way just like Bony. Why dont
you face to to the truth and drop the hippo-critical better than you
attitude.
You need someone like me to feed your ego on every day.
William Lee
Jimbo Ct
problem.
LOL this is classic bullshit john, how come it's "you people"?? Why do you give
Willy a pass and think that everyone is attacking him? Can't you see that if
everyone fights with 1 person and everyone agrees that the one person is the
cause of the crap then it's that 1 person and not everyone else's fault. For
years Willy has blamed me for his actions and for the reason he posted the way
he did, well for a month I have had him plonked and have no responded to one
word he typed. A smart person would assume that if what he claimed for years
were true he would be cured, yet not only hasn't he been cured, he's gotten
worse. Now it's Joe van's fault, or Tony's fault, or Mike Webb's fault, or bob
Nunya's fault what will it take for you to realize it's Willy's fault? he is
responsible for his own actions. When does a man take responsibility for his
own bullshit and when will you open your eyes. I understand you are bonded with
willy by your mutual hate, but even you must see the cancer he has become and
it's just going to far now.
JCB: >Many cuemakers have shared their work with the group and only one has
been
>hassled and ridiculed by a select few.
Again when it's the same person you need to open your eyes, he is not ridiculed
he starts the bullshit, everyone is not out to get him, he brings it upon
himself. And when you say a select few you must be blind, I can run down 20
names of regular posters who have gotten into with willy many times. I'd guess
he has fought with over 50% of this group, a select few would fit those people
who support him and I'd guess that 1/2 that number is only due to me, you are
in that list as well as MM and JAM.
JCB: >Is it any coincidence that this one
>cuemaker refused to play by the rules of the few?
Again few??? What rules John? Do you really think that all the other cuemakers
here agree on everything, every topic? You think they all go by some rules? Do
you think I haven't fought with other cue makers? I disagree with many points
here and we can debate the issue but then we move on and agree on another
topic, there are a select few who get obsessed and personal and can't let it
go. Those are the ones who must go against everything that person says from
that day forth, you know who you are, it's the same 4-5 people here.
JCB: >What are those rules you
>ask? Very simply do not diasgree with anything said by those people and you
>will get along fine in this newsgroup.
"those people" are everyone John, it's not a small group, it's not a select
few. Those people include Me, Smorg and Pat Johnson, the 3 of us are always at
odds, the only thing the 3 of us agree on is what a moron Willy is. You are
trying to make this into some witch hunt where a group of bullies join forces
against this poor man who is innocent. That is pure bullshit, I never thought
Doug would ever in a million years ever agree with me on any topic, yet Willy
has done it. Again when it's one guy against the majority of others it's time
to place the blame in the right place.
JCB : >Did some of the group
>members email any of you privately to instruct you on cuemaking as a result
>of your exemplary conduct
I've been a part of many educational e-mails from very knowledgeable people in
this group, people who always add that they don't want to get "into it" on the
NG and we all know who they would get "into it "with.
Jim <---Time to own up to ones own actions
Jimbo Ct
>Mike, Sheldon, Barry, Thierry, Jerry, Barry Z., and all the other cuemakers
>who come here how much about cuemaking
Hey John do you really believe that all these cuemakers you just listed follow
some rule here? Do you really feel that they all get alone and never disagree
over topics? Do you really think these guys are all good pals and follow some
hidden rule book?
Jim <---It must be a conspiracy
Jimbo Ct
No Fred it was never posted here by me, but hang in there because John is going
to post the link to the RSB post.
Jim <---Can't wait to read that thread, I missed it the first time.
Mark0
Mark0 <--'I'm surrounded by Assholes.'
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"John Barton" <r...@jbideas.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Barry C." <ba...@nojunk2cameroncues.com> wrote in message
> news:1VAAc.217$dg7...@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com...
> > John, you have no clue. Mike has earned everything he has through hard
> work
> > and countless sleepless nights. Anyone who knows Mike, knows what Mike
> > said. You don't. But in response to what you think you read, Mike can
> > aspire to do what ever he wants, and doesn't need your contrary
> statements,
> > just because you and Jimboct are at odds.
> >
> > Barry C.
> >
> > --
> >
> > cameroncues.com
>
>
> Barry,
>
> This is a newsgroup. Everyone is entitled to express their opinions about
> what is put in the public domain. I know FULL well the quality of Mike's
> work. I expressed my opinion of his statements and that's it. I
expressed
> my opinion of your statements and that's it. How do you know that William
> Lee hasn't learned everything he knows through hard work and sleepless
> nights? You told Willie to go out into the world like Jim. I think that
> your advice to Willie was snobby and audacious.
>
> Yes, I am at odds with Jim and everything he stands for. His cuemaker
> friends are bought and paid for. When I see statements like the ones you
> and Mike made it makes my blood boil. If this puts us at odds then it
does.
> I don't kowtow to people just because they are my customers or because I
> want them as customers. I put my stuff out there and am cordial and
willing
> to go the extra mile to try and please people. There are participants in
> this NG with whom I have argued extensively who were my customers before
the
> arguing and who are my customers still. You two may respect Jim for his
> "knowledge" of cues but I don't. I think that your suggestions that
Willee
> have anything to do with him is ridiculous.
>
> Wishing you both tremendous success. I hope that your cues always end up
> just where you want them.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> > "John Barton" <r...@jbideas.com> wrote in message
William Lee
"Jimbo Ct" <jim...@aol.comnojunk> wrote
.And when you say a select few you must be blind, I can run down 20
> names of regular posters who have gotten into with willy many times. I'd
guess
> he has fought with over 50% of this group,
I think ther is more than 40 people here, Bimbo.
You use the word everyone so easily when you spin your lies.
> "those people" are everyone John, it's not a small group, it's not a
select few.
Again Bimbo speaks for everyone on this group.
Hey Bimbo, I got a news flash for ya.
I got a whole pile of emails from people here that you don't speak for.
You and your little bunch of juvenile bullies that think you own this group
are not "everyone"
I guess they are not anyone in your feeble little mind.
As you have said in the past ... 'most here would not know a good cue from
a bad one'.
You are the only one qualified to do that.
> Jim <---Time to own up to ones own actions
I agree Bimbo ... and you should do just that ...
but you cant tell the truth without embellishing it with your lies.
Like using the word "everyone" instead of "a few".
Like using the word "ALL" instead of "SOME"
Like replacing key words in someone's quote and trying to pass it off as
real.
And if anyone calls you on it you throw a 1000 weasel word tantrum about
their reading comprehension.
You always ... yes I do mean always ...exaggerate everything to the extreme
when you trash talk someone.
I am partly a result your own making.
Like it or not you and your egotistical bully bunch are responsible for what
you see here today.
You have been picking at people for years and sooner or later someone like
me with enough balls to stand up to you and the rest of your group that
think you own this NG.
It is not your private playground.
If it wasn't me it would be someone else that you and your bully bunch
pushed to far.
You can twist and squirm like a worm , you can squeal like the pig you are,
you can use every weasel word you have ever learned, and every lie and low
life tactic you can dig up but that is the truth you can not make it go
away.
I warned you that you would not like it but you are the one that would not
let it go.
Now the bully bunch are squealing like stuck pigs about the monster they are
responsible for creating and setting lose on their playground. Get used to
it Bimbo cause every time one of your "select few" tell a lie about me the
same thing is gonna happen. And I do mean every stinking time. I suggest you
take your "bully buddies" to the greener pastures you have been shilling.
Better yet make it "by invite only" as that is just your style.
Now continue on talking to me by talking thru others and keep pretending you
are ignoring me.
ROTFLOL at a pompass ass.
William Lee
William Lee
"Jimbo Ct" <jim...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
What .. you don't know about the secret society of cuemakers?
Only real cuemakers are allowed in.
Kinda like "by invite only"
Oppps ... let it slip out.
William Lee
"Mark0" <markmccauleyATSYMBOLcharter.net> wrote in message
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> Another one bites the dust. See you in January, John.
>
> Mark0 <--'I'm surrounded by Assholes.'
>
Again?
BozoDozo
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Well god damn, why dont you just tell em how you feel, tell em, you
are mad as hell and you aint taking their S*** any more, stand up for
what you feel is right.
Jack Stein
> I would bet that there are cues in Jim's collection
>>which he has no idea what the maker did to construct them.
How do you know Jimbo HAS a collection? He has denied ever stating this?
> Pretty safe bet. There are many cues out there that EVEN other cuemakers
> don't know how they were constructed. Safe bet?????
Possibly, but, chances are slim that the technique used is known only by
that cue maker. There are few secret techniques in wood working, or any
other trade, including cue making.
> I don't think anyone has claimed that Jimbo, you, Williee or anyone else has
> knowledge of all the things that go on in all cuemaking shops around the
> world.
Possibly, but the same bunch of fools keep saying that WILLEE states he
knows everything, even though he denies this over and over and over.
> What I said is Jimbo has more
> experience with cues, construction etc; than you can imagine.
What I'd like to know is what cue maker *helped* Jimbo build his first
cue that is, I guess still being passed around?
> John, apparently you can't get past any posts that have the name Jimbo in
> it and assume that such posts are only for arguements sake. My post was
> not a flame on anyone.
If you were the one that suggest Willee send a cue to Jimbo, then it was
a flame or gross stupidity, unless you thought he might send him an
exploding cue.
> I did find Willee's post somewhat humorous,
> concerning his Harley scenerio. It can be applied to all different
> situations. People can spend there time working in the own little world and
> be very content and knowledgable, but getting out beyond is finding out that
> you are only a small dot in the big picture.
Why would you say this? Could you possibly be insinuating that Willee
needs to get out more? You can be pretty certain that Willee knows
plenty about Jimbo as they have been arguing non stop on RSB for about 4
years now. It is true that much of what Jimbo posts is lies and half
truths, but that too is part of knowing who a person is.
> And as I stated earlier, Jimbo
> probably has more experience in cues and construction than you can imagine.
>
> Barry C.
I'm still wondering who built... I mean helped Jimbo build the one cue
he's ever admitted to making that made Jimbo an expert on building cues?
Was that info ever mentioned in here? My imagination is running wild?
--
Jack
http://jbstein.com