Not wishing to join the "Joint Dynamic (was Huebler Cues)" brouhaha, I
thought I'd post a related question with a new subject line.
I'm a mediocre (but enthusiastic) player and I don't own a cue. I'd
like to get one to avoid getting stuck with some darned warped 18 ounce cue
with a tip like a pat of butter, as often happens in a crowded bar, but I
really don't play well enough to justify spending big bucks. Is there any
point in spending, say, $100-$200 on a cue? Given my game, all I figure
I really need is a cue that's straight, the right weight and has a decent tip.
Are there any reasonably good mass-produced cues in that price range, or am I
dreaming?
Regards,
TC
Hueblers, which was the orginial subject, also makes fine cues that aren't
overly pricey.
PS: I'd recommend you see their cues and decide on the joint style you want
first if you're looking into Dufferin.
Sincerely,
Ghosst
http://home.ican.net/~ghosst
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TC <thomas...@spamfree.retek.com> wrote in article
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> Hello all,
>
> Not wishing to join the "Joint Dynamic (was Huebler Cues)"
brouhaha, I
> thought I'd post a related question with a new subject line.
> Are there any reasonably good mass-produced cues in that price range, or
am I
> dreaming?
>
> Regards,
> TC
>
TC,
I don't wish to start a war either, but I believe that you can find
something reasinably priced to suit your needs at this point in time.
Whenever I have bought a new cue, or more recently had onemade for me, I go
through a process of learning. I will not automatically shoot as I did
with the cue's predecessor. It's like changing girlfriends. You go through
the courtship, and get to know them (well at least some of do, some of of
prefer the women of the house cue variety, pick them up off the rack and
put them back when we're finished with them). Your mind and bpdy will
become accustomed to the results that you get with your cue and your game
will adjust to it accordingly. This has been my experience, whether I have
shot with a $100 McDermott, or a $1000 joss. In 1987 I bought a McDermott
D-21 that I still use today. I've found it hard to part with it, but I
have recently switched to a custom made cue that I am still adjusting to.
I would reccommend McDermott because I have the most experience with that
line. Meucci, Heubler, Mali, Viking, and Cuetec also make fine, reasonably
priced cues for under $250. How long they last, how well, and how long
they perform is directly proportional to how you take care of it.
Good luck
Blackjack
The justification for buying your own cue is consistency. With
consistency you will develop a better game, become more knowledgeable of
your personal cue preferences and perhaps move from mediocre to a higher
level of play.
As far as quality and price goes, ANY cue will "warp" if improperly
treated. The chances of a cue warping decrease with the reputation of
the manufacturer and the care with which they condition the component
parts prior to assembly and finishing. Any of the "name" brands (I
won't list any for fear of leaving one out and offending someone) should
provide you with a good product. Additionally, I think most of the
custom cuemakers can or do produce at least one or two cues in the
$200.00 range and it would be well worth your doing some checking
around.
Until you become better educated on the subject of pool cues it is not
so important as to "where" to purchase a cue, but rather "where not" to
buy one. Stay away from pawn shops, discount stores, classified ads in
the newspaper or any retail/wholesale establishment that sells billiard
equipment as a sideline.
Regards,
Stoney
> really don't play well enough to justify spending big bucks. Is there any
> point in spending, say, $100-$200 on a cue? Given my game, all I figure
> I really need is a cue that's straight, the right weight and has a decent
tip.
> Are there any reasonably good mass-produced cues in that price range, or
am I
> dreaming?
>
Actually I think in this range you can get an excellent cue, There are
quite a
cue makers who make "Sneaky Pete's", there not much to look at and if you
bring
it out keep an eye on it. JMO
--
Pat Greenwald
PGree...@xta.com
The have a great range of cues and prices. I bought a McDermott from there
the other day....
Carl
Doug W.
~>*) Big Fish EAT Little Fish (*<~
For those of us who have experience with cues and billiards sports, this is
obvious. I can remember when I was first getting serious about pool, and looking
to buy my first cue (It was a McDermott and I still have it), I didn't realize
this. Luckily, I was learning the game from some much more billiards experienced
friends, and they pointed me towards some good quality, lower-range cues. If I
hadn't had their input, I might have settled for something a bit cheaper but much
less worth buying.
When you see the very cheap cues in, for example, a department store, much of the
time the whole shaft will have a finish applied to it. When you try shooting with
this cue, although it might be straight (for a while), and somewhat sturdy (for a
while), the shaft will rub your fingers like the gym floor used to do to your skin
in high school dodgeball. Chances are that the shaft will be deader than a Sunday
School Meeting in a nudey bar, also.
Pay attention to the shaft of the cues you look at the most; for your first cue,
this will probably be the most important aspect. As you will probably want
something relatively inexpensive, the butt will probably be pretty plain, and will
develop (at least mine did) a lot of dings as you take it everywhere, trying to
bring your game up. As you use your cue, you will begin to develop an
understanding of weight, flex, taper, and perhaps even (egad) squirt, and will be
much more informed when you go to buy your next cue (and you will want another
one, trust me).
Just a quick note; I don't really know how much you understand about cues, so I'm
not sure if it helps.
--
Dave
TC wrote:
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> Are there any reasonably good mass-produced cues in that price range, or am I
> dreaming?
> [clip]
Good luck,
Greg
>In article <34D0C5...@tconl.com>,
> Stoney <wst...@tconl.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Until you become better educated on the subject of pool cues it is not
>>so important as to "where" to purchase a cue, but rather "where not" to
>>buy one. Stay away from pawn shops, discount stores, classified ads in
>>the newspaper or any retail/wholesale establishment that sells billiard
>>equipment as a sideline.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Stoney
>>
>
>IMHO you can really miss out on some terrific steals if you dismiss pawn shops from your search. In my own experience I have found some dynamite deals at pawn shops. The latest being a Helmstetter 3 cushion cue that retails for $400+ that I paid the uninformed pawn broker $75 for. And it was in near perfect condition. I have bought and later resold severals cues at pawn shops always showing a profit in the bargain. The trick is to know what to look for and look at when you see something that may interest you. Having this wonderful informational tool of the Net to check out the pedigree of something is beyond compare. Many pawn shops just don't have any idea what the value of what is on their shelves. It is like finding a valuable antique at a garage sale, their loss is our gain.
>
>"Loose Rack" Jack
Before you get a bunch of replies about how you are STEALING FROM and
taking advantage of the Pawn Shop owner, let me add this: It's not
really the owners loss - he knows what he paid for the item and he's
marked it up accordingly. He is making the profit he needs to run his
business and that's why he priced the item as he did.
And here's something else you can try. Some pawn shop owners won't
take cues because they don't know the value of them. I have found
that if you offer to share information with them, you can pick up
some bargains working with those guys. They know they can't know the
value of everything that comes in the door, and they like having a
source of information.
Ron
If they sell you something for $100, I guarantee they didn't give the seller
more than $10-15 for it. They aren't in the charity business. No pawnbroker
ever took a beating selling an item.
> There are cuemakers out there, probably in your area, who can make you a
> sneaky pete for around $200. I have played with sneaky petes that play just
> as well as the most expensive custom cue you can find. Higher price does
> not necessarily mean better quality.
I agree. The Sneaky Petes I sell are some of my best-hitting cues. And if
you
decide to later get something fancy they make a good break cue.
John
I am glad you didn't order a cue from them, since I sell Schuler cues at
around30% below retail. :)
John
Sorry everyone, but I did not mean to post this. I meant to email it, but I
have beenusing Netscape to post lately (hence the change to john walkup instead
of John
Walkup) and I haven't gotten used to the new format.
John
YOU are absolutely correct...you should defer to someone that knows what they
are talking about!!! Stick to the food bar...you can run that one
out. LOL
Nascar101
Aren't you violating probation by posting here again? IMO
I'm not sure how often you play pool, but if you play a couple times a week, it
might be worth it.
Mark
In that price range I'd look for a used cue. Try many different cues
to find out what you like best.
Bye
Sascha
The only reason I mention this is because a good buddy of mine had his Joss
West stolen within the past year. It was probably a twenty year old model,
and I think he had been playing with it all along. The typical bozo who
would steal a cue, would probably sell it at a pawnbrokers. They would
probably have no idea what the value is of the cue they just ripped off. For
all those pool players who find a "great deal" on a cue at a pawnbroker's
shop, their's probably another pool player who would like to strangle the
person that stole his cue.
I'm not saying I wouldn't be happy about finding a great deal. Just realize
how you probably came by your good fortune.
It COULD happen but I think the odds against it are about the same as my
achieving a 150 and out in 14:1 before the second coming (best ever was
in low 50's thirty years ago). One can only guess why someone would
pawn a quality cue. My best guess is that someone was in need of a
little "traveln' money" and a pawnbroker is fast cash, if nothing else.
I continually cruise the pawn shops and have yet to find any such deal,
and, for the most part, the cues which have been pawned look like forty
miles of bad road (warped, chipped, dented, cracked, etc.).
HOWEVER most pawnbrokers know full well what they are buying. I have
several long time friends in the business and can assure you that no
pawnbroker will stay in business very long making deals from a position
of ignorance. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen but I would have to
say that most pawnbrokers, like antique dealers, know not only the Color
of Money but the Value of a Dollar as well.
Regards,
Stoney
> Around here players go bust on a daily basis and cues change hands in place of
> stakes quite often by players. Alot of cues are stolen ,out opf cars home
> burglurys etc.but for the most part the original owners get hard up and take
> what they can get where they can get it. Pawn shops generally have little or
> no idea what things othe than common everyday items are worth and on cues loan
> a relatively small amount . The key here is it almost always is a loan,
> renwable within a certain time frame, many items are "lost" by customers who
> have made payments for a long period of time at a very high rate of interes to
> keep from defaulting on the loan until they can redeem their merchandise. Here
> in texas the interest rate on pawn loans is 240% !! You read that right 240 !
That can't possibly be right. Hell, it would be a lot cheaper to just default on
the loan.Here in Oklahoma the rate is about 20%. Are you sure? What kind of
fool would
take out that kind of loan?
> by him or one of his freinds or family members, this happens all the time.
> Many situations can arise to keep the origanal owner from redeeming his /her
> goods. People die, go to prison, move away, never recover financially, lose
> their pawn ticket and so on.
At 240% interest, it would be cheaper to go out and buy a new cue then pay off
theone you have in hawk.
John
Usually because they intend to get it out of pawn. It might be more
difficult to get it back from someone who doesn’t give you a pawn ticket
for it.
--
:o)
Jim Meador
Billiard World Web Site
<http://www.billiardworld.com>
> HOWEVER most pawnbrokers know full well what they are buying. I have
> several long time friends in the business and can assure you that no
> pawnbroker will stay in business very long making deals from a position
> of ignorance. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen but I would have to
> say that most pawnbrokers, like antique dealers, know not only the Color
> of Money but the Value of a Dollar as well.
>
You’re absolutely right. I can well imagine that cue sticks are rather
common items to be pawned, and a “broker” isn’t likely to overlook the
quality in a stick any more than he would the quality in jewelry. They
also have access to the same literature pool players have.
But for those young people who read RSB: Pawn shops are not the way to
resolve financial shortages. The interest will kill you IF you are able
to get your property back at all. Find another way (like a job and
responsible money management.)
Jim Meador wrote:
> Ed Mercier wrote:
> >
> > What are the chances that a pool player would sell his Joss West at a
> > pawnbroker? Wouldn't any half sane pool player try and find another pool
> > player to sell their cue to, since it's clear that a pawnbroker would have no
> > idea how valuable a Joss West is?
>
> Usually because they intend to get it out of pawn. It might be more
> difficult to get it back from someone who doesn’t give you a pawn ticket
> for it.
>
>That can't possibly be right. Hell, it would be a lot cheaper to just default on
>the loan.Here in Oklahoma the rate is about 20%. Are you sure? What kind of
>fool would take out that kind of loan?
Actually, it's right. While I was in a pawn shop today buying some
defaulted stuff, I asked. Oklahoma pawn shops charge 20% per MONTH,
which is right at 240% per year.
Ron
I have a friend who bought a D-21 ($425 Then) for $25 at a pawn shop in
Oklahoma City in 1987 including a Fellini case.
Even today I would say that most Pawnbrokers have no idea of the real
value of cues.
As with anything in a pawn shop you can be sure that they don´t have
much in it.
John
I frequent the pawn shops looking for quality cues. But I also keep an ear
out for what has been stolen. I have recovered a few cues for people in this
way. I would hate to buy a cue from a shop, just to find myself staring the
original owner in the face. Most of the shops around here though have no idea
of what they are buying. I have come across Schons that were laying in the
"cheap" area, while a $200 Meucci sat in the glass case like it was the Holy
Grail, with a $600 price tag on it. You just have to be aware of possabilities.
Eric
Eric M. Sternberg
Sternberg Cues and Repair Service
Chattanooga, TN.
>That can't possibly be right. Hell, it would be a lot cheaper to just default on
>the loan.Here in Oklahoma the rate is about 20%. Are you sure? What kind of
>fool would
>take out that kind of loan?
>
That is right. But the balk is called a storage fee. The local Pawn Shop here charges
12% intrest + a storage fee of another 15% per month. I know I wrote his coustom
software.
>
>At 240% interest, it would be cheaper to go out and buy a new cue then pay off
>theone you have in hawk.
>
>John
>
Thats per year. And it's on the amount of the loan not the cue. You will problelly only
get 10 bucks for a good cue. A friend of mine took a gal home with him one night.
When He awoke she had took his car and left for Vagas. pawned his $2800 Shaun for
$10.00 on the way out of town. He was luckey to get either back.
Andy