Speaking of Shane.....
bk4...@hotmail.com
This is Shane on table 1 at Table Steaks South in Denver. This is a
tight, tight beast of a table. Watch what Shane does:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asdVH9ttGBU
Ron Shepard
<d66e80ec-0d73-4089...@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
"bk4...@hotmail.com" <bk4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Larry Nevel plays this shot as a proposition. He hits it pretty
well too, sometimes even with the cue ball frozen to the end
cushion. He usually places another ball in the other corner pocket
and the cue ball pockets it after running around the table. Anyone
have a video of Larry shooting his version of the shot?
$.02 -Ron Shepard
risky biz
How does Larry Nevel draw it if it's frozen to the end cushion?
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Is that a tournament Brunswick?
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bk4...@hotmail.com
> On Nov 26 2009 11:08 AM, Ron Shepard wrote:
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>
> > In article
> > "bk42...@hotmail.com" <bk42...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Just saw this video posted by Denver player Alex Kanapilly on AZB.
> > > This is Shane on table 1 at Table Steaks South in Denver. This is a
> > > tight, tight beast of a table. Watch what Shane does:
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asdVH9ttGBU
>
> > Larry Nevel plays this shot as a proposition. He hits it pretty
> > well too, sometimes even with the cue ball frozen to the end
> > cushion. He usually places another ball in the other corner pocket
> > and the cue ball pockets it after running around the table. Anyone
> > have a video of Larry shooting his version of the shot?
>
> > $.02 -Ron Shepard
>
> How does Larry Nevel draw it if it's frozen to the end cushion?
>
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He elevates his cue to near vertical.
Search his name on Youtube, you'll find vids of him doing it.
Bob Keller
lfigueroa
the cloth wand tables (rubber) were new and the cue ball freshly
polished. Not saying he doesn't have a hell of a stroke, but...
Lou Figueroa
Ron Shepard
<d091e40f-6129-4ca2...@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
"bk4...@hotmail.com" <bk4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> He elevates his cue to near vertical.
> Search his name on Youtube, you'll find vids of him doing it.
>
> Bob Keller
I did a quick search and did not find a video of Larry doing this shot.
One video I did see was a selection of trick shots on a bar table, but
it did not include the around-the-table draw shot with the cue ball
frozen to the end cushion. Anyone have a link to a video of this shot?
BTW, Larry is the only person I've ever seen do this shot. I expect
that Mike Massey or some of the other trick shot guys can do it, but
I've never seen them myself.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
bk4...@hotmail.com
> In article
> <d091e40f-6129-4ca2-82aa-d4756e0e4...@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> "bk42...@hotmail.com" <bk42...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > He elevates his cue to near vertical.
> > Search his name on Youtube, you'll find vids of him doing it.
>
> > Bob Keller
>
> I did a quick search and did not find a video of Larry doing this shot.
> One video I did see was a selection of trick shots on a bar table, but
> it did not include the around-the-table draw shot with the cue ball
> frozen to the end cushion. Anyone have a link to a video of this shot?
>
> BTW, Larry is the only person I've ever seen do this shot. I expect
> that Mike Massey or some of the other trick shot guys can do it, but
> I've never seen them myself.
>
> $.02 -Ron Shepard
Sorry, I didn't write/speak clearly enough.
I've seen vids of Nevel drawing the frozen CB back, not around the
table. And I don't think I've seen him do it on a 9-foot. I'm sure
he has, I just don't recall seeing it on a video.
Bob Keller
lfigueroa
Massey was doing his show and called Larry over to do it. So, maybe
Mike can do it, and maybe not.
Two things I noticed is that Massey polished up the CB before handing it
to Larry and that Larry didn't hit right off the bat. Maybe on his
third try.
Of course the balls, cloth, and tables (Diamonds) were new too. Still,
a hell of a shot.
Lou Figueroa
Fast Larry
> You nits could not make this shot in a thousand years, but I can, and
> do so all the time. If you want to know how, go towww.poolchat.net
> and ask me there, say pretty please>
>
> www.poolchat.net
Actually this is a very old trick shot they were making a century ago,
with heavy ivory balls. At that time, they called it the greatest
shot of all time, but many more came along that were a lot harder
later on. Once the draw came up and back down table, it potted a 2nd
ball in the far corner. I would rate the shot, a DF 11. It does
require a new table, fast rubber and fast new simonis. I have made it
on house cloth on a 9' table in 94, but I don't have that talent to do
that today.
Learn how to really play. From somebody, who actually knows, and
actually can do it all.
Ron Shepard
lfigueroa <lfig...@att.net> wrote:
> The time I saw Larry do it -- US Open 1pocket, Kalamazoo -- Mike
> Massey was doing his show and called Larry over to do it. So, maybe
> Mike can do it, and maybe not.
>
> Two things I noticed is that Massey polished up the CB before handing it
> to Larry and that Larry didn't hit right off the bat. Maybe on his
> third try.
>
> Of course the balls, cloth, and tables (Diamonds) were new too. Still,
> a hell of a shot.
>
> Lou Figueroa
Yes, I was a spectator at that tournament (that was the one where
you played Efren), and I remember Larry doing the shot there. There
were several people there with video cameras recording matches and
these trick shots, but I guess none of them have posted them online
yet. That was a good tournament, with good participation every year
-- too bad it ended.
I've seen Larry do this shot several times. He does not hit the
shot every time on any table, but once he hits it and gets zeroed
in, then he does hit it a good fraction of the time (which is
remarkable). I've seen him do it on both new and older cloth, but
you are right that the cloth does need to be in pretty good shape.
I'd say a table speed of 100 or higher, just to give an idea of the
range. I don't think he needs a siliconed cue ball or anything like
that, just reasonable equipment. He will gamble on this as a
proposition shot, and you have to be prudent betting against him on
it.
Regarding the straight-back draw shot that was in the online video,
I don't think that is a simple draw shot, That is, I don't think
that can be made with a level cue. The reason is that the cue ball
starts off about a diamond away from the side cushion, but draws
back to pocket a ball in the corner pocket. Straight draw, and a
"perfect" hit on the object ball would bring the ball back toward
the center of the end cushion, not to the corner pocket. So I think
what is happening here is what I call "after-collision masse". The
remarkable thing is that this occurs on a table length shot. Most
after-collision masse shots are when the cue ball is just a few
inches away from the object ball. Maybe I'm wrong about the setup,
or I'm misjudging how thick he can hit the object ball and still
pocket it or something; I've only seen this shot on that one video,
not in person.
$.02 -Ron Shepard