Need help ID'ing a Cue stick!!!

Bigdog01

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Mar 15, 2002, 1:37:09 AM3/15/02

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Ok, I inherited a very nice cue stick from my grandmother. Aparently
it was my grandfathers stick. I know he died about 26 years ago, but
I've no idea how long he had it before then. Here's what I can tell
you:

The original box says "Craft Brand Billiard Cue" "Genuine Sampaio of
Portugal"

The cue itself is solid hardwood. (type unknown) The butt is hand
carved and has what appears to be ivory or pearl inlay. The inlay
originally was white, but has now turned "yellowish" in color with
age. The stick is in excellent condition, and is absolutly beautiful.
Here's a few pics I've uploaded:

http://64.177.71.48/Bigdog01/cuestick.jpg
http://64.177.71.48/Bigdog01/cuestick2.jpg

What I'd like to know, is what kind of stick is this? What's it made
of? How old? Approx value? Is the inlay really Ivory?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks

Jab0979

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Mar 15, 2002, 5:03:11 PM3/15/02

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The cue is a Sampaio "Premier" model,
made in 1664 with an original retail of $50.00. Blue Book says it is worth
$900.00 in 98% condition.
JB

Jab0979

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Mar 15, 2002, 5:07:06 PM3/15/02

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All the inlays they used were either mother of pearl or ivory. I forgot to add
that.
JB

Mark0

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Mar 15, 2002, 5:36:33 PM3/15/02

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Made on a treadle lathe, eh?

Mark0 <--by Roy Underhill's ancestors ;O)

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Ron Hudson

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Mar 15, 2002, 5:37:32 PM3/15/02

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Wow, That's one REALLY old cue.

Ron

Alan Illeman

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Mar 15, 2002, 6:18:44 PM3/15/02

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1664 ? (about the end of the European Renaissance). I guess it could
be the Fermat (1601-65) "Pierre" model. Maybe his father, a leather
maker, did the tip <G>.

jdub

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Mar 15, 2002, 7:09:28 PM3/15/02

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I didn't know we had the $$ system in 1664. $50 back then has to be worth
far more than $900 today.

--Jim

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Deno J. Andrews

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Mar 15, 2002, 9:53:56 PM3/15/02

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Alan Illeman wrote:
> 1664 ? (about the end of the European Renaissance). I guess it could
> be the Fermat (1601-65) "Pierre" model. Maybe his father, a leather
> maker, did the tip <G>.

Actually, this date was smack in the middle of the Baroque (1600-1750).
That cue would have been made right after Guercino painted "The
Entombment of Christ," in Bologna. And the cue would not have been a
cue at that point, it would have been a long piece of wood with a block
on the end, so as to push the ball, not to strike it as we do today.
The leather cue tip was not used until much later.

Deno J. Andrews

Patrick Johnson

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Mar 15, 2002, 11:31:06 PM3/15/02

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Yeah, back then $50 was worth something.

(Except there was nothing to buy...)
Pat Johnson
Chicago

Jab0979

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Mar 16, 2002, 5:20:51 AM3/16/02

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Sorry fellas, I meant 1964.
JB

Clay

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Mar 16, 2002, 9:37:10 AM3/16/02

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got love these guys
Clay
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Bigdog01

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Mar 16, 2002, 5:43:12 PM3/16/02

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Wow, thanks for the info!

Any idea on how I can tell if the inlays are ivory or Mother of Pearl?
I'm thinking the Ivory would tend to get "yellowish" after many years,
while the pearl would stay white. Correct?

Also, any idea what kind of wood that butt is made of?

Thanks again!