Re: What is an implex joint?
Bob Jewett
it is actually pool related and most of the discussions in
alt.sport.pool are not. ]
Jenks <je...@jenks.com> wrote:
> Then the joint must not be what I think it is, because the
> parts that screw together are metal, as I see on all two piece
> cues. Metal may be different, but they are all metal. (that I
> have seen)
The joint is what you figured -- where a two-piece cue screws
together, roughly in the middle of the cue. There are joints
with a metal screw going into wood threads. There are joints
with wood screws going into wood threads -- no metal whatsoever
in the joint. There are joints with fiberglass screws. There
are joints with a metal screw on the shaft that screws into metal
threads in the butt. Some joints are not in the middle, but
at about the 2/3 point (long shaft, short butt).
Maybe the book author (mentioned before) didn't like the kind of
metal-metal joint found on very cheap sticks in which the actual
bearing surface (the flat surface that energy will go through
during the shot) is metal on both sides. There are many highly
regarded cues that use some metal in both the shaft and butt.
> Also, some cues have Irish linen wrap, others nylon. The book
> states that the linen absorbs moisture better, yet both types
> appear to be coated with a shiny plastic like varnish coating,
> so what difference does it make over nylon or linen if both are
> coated anyway?
Usually, if the wrap is covered with linen or nylon, it is not
finished. However on some makes, it is standard for the wrap to
get the same finish as the wood (polyurethane?) in which case it
makes no practical difference what the wrap actually is. Other
wrap materials include leather, cork and rubber. Almost all
carom players use rubber wraps. Almost no snooker players have
any wrap, since they usually grip the stick at the very end.
It is often cheaper to make a cue with a wrap. Under the wrap
will be a cheaper grade of wood joined to the other two parts of
the butt with hidden, glued joints.
If the goal is for your hand not to slip during the shot, I think
you are better off without a wrap, as most wood finishes are
stickier (or less likely to slip) than linen. Nylon is not a
suitable material for a wrap unless for some strange reason you
want your hand to slip easily during the shot.
> Many people are cured by voodoo because they believe in it
> enough, same with placebos. People have actually grown new
> hair on their heads using PLACEBOS of hair growth medication.
> So yes, perhaps some people can believe that there is a
> difference between using an 18.0 ounce and an 18.5 ounce pool
> cue. But in reality, as with voodoo and placebos, there really
> is no difference other than the one in the person's head.
> Right?
Well, yes, but if you tell believers that their heads are full of
ca-ca, they will hate you and may try to hurt you. So it is
better to let them stew in their superstition, and to just nod
and smile during their sermons.
I think it is important to get used to one cue because what
happens on a shot is not completely determined by how your arm
moves -- the stick has an influence and different sticks play
differently. For the majority of shots for a beginner, though,
the variation caused by different sticks is far less than the
variation in the beginner's stroke. I think beginners should try
as wide a range of sticks as they can find before they settle on
any one kind as their lifetime stick.
--
Bob Jewett
http://www.sfbilliards.com/
Bethowmuch
ounce and an 18.5 ounce pool cue. But in reality as with voodoo and placebos,
there really is no difference
A very interesting and enlightening post. Are you sure about the above
statement though? I got used to playing with a 19 oz cue and then tried to
play with a 17 oz cue. I normally use a very soft stroke and found myself
coming up short on almost every shot with respect to cue ball position. I
attributed it to the fact that energy is a produce of acceleration and mass and
since I changed one variable, i.e. the cue weight but not the other I was
imparting less energy to to the cue and therefore coming up short. I removed
the rubber bumper from the end of the cue, drilled out the butt, melted some
lead fishing weights and poured in about 2 oz worth of molten lead. Maybe its
in my head but it feels like its in my hand. 8-)
Jenks
> finished. However on some makes, it is standard for the wrap to
> get the same finish as the wood (polyurethane?) in which case it
> makes no practical difference what the wrap actually is.
One wonders why they bothered to use the linen at all then when they
could have used nylon or anything under the coating.
However, I prefer the coating, as I don't want any material to absorb
sweat and deteriorate, the coating will keep it from absorbing sweat.
> If the goal is for your hand not to slip during the shot, I think
> you are better off without a wrap, as most wood finishes are
> stickier (or less likely to slip) than linen. Nylon is not a
> suitable material for a wrap unless for some strange reason you
> want your hand to slip easily during the shot.
I can't imagine a hand slipping on the cue from just playing pool. I
have never had a problem with my hands slipping when using a shovel
without fancy wraps and such, just bare wood or plastic handles where I
am using much more force.
> > Many people are cured by voodoo because they believe in it
> > enough, same with placebos. People have actually grown new
> > hair on their heads using PLACEBOS of hair growth medication.
> > So yes, perhaps some people can believe that there is a
> > difference between using an 18.0 ounce and an 18.5 ounce pool
> > cue. But in reality, as with voodoo and placebos, there really
> > is no difference other than the one in the person's head.
>
> > Right?
>
> Well, yes, but if you tell believers that their heads are full of
> ca-ca, they will hate you and may try to hurt you. So it is
> better to let them stew in their superstition, and to just nod
> and smile during their sermons.
You are right about that. I have just learned that lesson recently,
now I have to learn to just walk away when I am around some idiot,
rather than open my mouth at all.
> I think it is important to get used to one cue because what
> happens on a shot is not completely determined by how your arm
> moves -- the stick has an influence and different sticks play
> differently.
That makes perfect sense. And this is why it would have been nice if
there was one official standard weight and size cue that everyone had to
use, and could get used to.
I know that is never going to happen now, but regardless of what makes a
cue better or worse, if everyone had to play with the same cue, none of
the other stuff would matter, everyone would have to make the best
learning to deal with the official cue.
> For the majority of shots for a beginner, though,
> the variation caused by different sticks is far less than the
> variation in the beginner's stroke. I think beginners should try
> as wide a range of sticks as they can find before they settle on
> any one kind as their lifetime stick.
For the reason in the first part of that statement, I disagree with the
last part of the statement.
Patrick Johnson
> I can't imagine a hand slipping on the cue from just playing pool. I
> have never had a problem with my hands slipping when using a shovel
> without fancy wraps and such, just bare wood or plastic handles where I
> am using much more force.
You can use a much tighter grip on the shovel without affecting its
useful accuracy, but your useful accuracy with the cue would probably go
down if you did that.
It may also be more a matter of confidence than of actual slippage. I
recently changed to an unwrapped cue and don't feel like I have to grip
it as tightly on each shot. This may not be actually true, but my
confidence with the lighter grip is higher, and so I feel I can use it
now - which increases the accuracy of my stroke through a wider range of
speeds.
3-cushion players have used rubber "wrap condoms" for a long time.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
Jenks
> > have never had a problem with my hands slipping when using a shovel
> > without fancy wraps and such, just bare wood or plastic handles where I
> > am using much more force.
>
> You can use a much tighter grip on the shovel without affecting its
> useful accuracy, but your useful accuracy with the cue would probably go
> down if you did that.
Thank you. That is a very good point I did not consider.
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way down the path. I used to think the joint was where it was at. I
now know, it is not. I am now playing with a pp=4 meucci, 5 years ago
I would have said only women use a plastic joint, I would never go
there, but here I am. Live and learn.
I still use the Schuler stainless steel joint as well. I use both
cues in my shows. It does not matter. Bob Meucci says so as well,
that the total performance of the joint might be 4% of the total, I
know it is less than 10%. It's all in the tip, ferrule and shaft, that
is where it is at.
Now is that now easier to understand or what.
Triple D, FL.
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used it, it's an old 14.1 NE thing. Mostly gone by now. Miz used it.
Some throw the cue on follows, I do not recommend tossing the cue
through the right hand, but it can be done. I do that on a jump shot
only. The purpose of using Irish linnen is to absorb moisture and to
have a grip on the cue, cheap nylon gives you neither of these.
My Meucci pp-4 has the linnen wrap exposed, I did not put on the clear
coating most are shipped with. Triple D FL...
dalecue
Bob Jewett wrote in message <10922680...@emperor.labs.agilent.com>...
this was not the case before 'pressed' linen became the norm
the old fashion linen wrars were soft and increased traction
a two parter here
IIUC you have a Bushka
if yes
then
isn't the wrap as described above?
endif
Dale
Bob Jewett
> a two parter here
> IIUC you have a Bushka
> if yes
> then
> isn't the wrap as described above?
> endif
My cue is wrapped the way Irving Crane's was wrapped, with
leather. Crane was my hero, even if he was a "showboat,"
as Eufemia called him.
Sherm Adamson
"Bethowmuch" <betho...@aol.com> wrote in message
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That's a real bad idea! The molten lead shrinks as it cools and will loosen
up and rattle in time.
I once bought an old Joss cue with no butt piece and bumper on it. The
person who'd owned it had broken the butt piece and taken out the weight
bolt that held on the butt piece. Later he decided it needed some weight. He
melted his "Lucky Krugerand" in the hole for added weight and presumably
good luck! I was told this story when I bought the cue but took it with a
grain of salt, til I started digging pieces of the coin, that still had some
letters stamped on them, out of the cue. IIRC, I got nearly $200 for the
scrap gold I took out of the cue, just about what I paid for the cue! lol
--
just more hot air! 8^)
Sherm
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thick black leather wrap, soft, not thin and hard like they are today,
very shiny, mine is more dull black, much better leather than what you
see now. Triple D....
Georges Irish linnen used a almost light pink, this is no longer
available. This stuff is essentially fish line.
Triple D....
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me or Fatty. If I could find the leather I had on my old buska, I
would go back to it, I just do not like this new stuff I am seeing. A
good leather wrap is wonderful.
Crane was first to run over 300 on a 5x10, 1939, he got in Ripleys for
doing that 309 run. His us open 150 and out on the meat man is a
classic. Hoppe, Greenleaf, Mosconi, Caras and Crane, that's how I
rate them from that era. The Deacon, I loved to watch him play. He
was the only one of that group to show up at Johnston City. Of course
Hoppe and Ralph were gone by then, Willie and Jimmy were virtually
retired, Crane went on forever, I think he won worlds or major titles
in 4 different decades.
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to deal with someone so far greater than you and who is right all the
time and who knows more than you could ever acquire.
The jealous ones who come up so short, attack great ones. I call it
the short dick theory. When you find out somebody has a pecker twice
your size, you then hate his guts.
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RIPP
>The jealous ones who come up so short, attack great ones. I call it
>the short dick theory. When you find out somebody has a pecker twice
>your size, you then hate his guts.
>
and I`ve heard it said that those who claim to have a big pecker usually have
the smallest ones of all.
George<----I`ve heard they`re usually impotent too.... I believe it
"No one remembers who came in second"
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tweezers. When I grab my pole, I can wrap both hands around it like
holding a base ball bat and still have 7" poking out the top. I have
to stand out in the hall to take a leak in the bathroom. Impotent, I
have a thousand references that say you lie like dog. I can put a mink
or bunnie to shame. You see its called POE, you either got it, or
youse don't got it. Dis is sometin youse cannot buy over da shelf.
Dee ho's, deys know, dey can smell POE 200 YRDS downwind. I remember
you, I used to kick sand in your face on the beach and take off with
the hottie you were trying to bag.
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together and settle it once and for all, who was the biggest and the
baddest, who had the biggest dick.
Bob said he would pay to go see that one. Too bad it never was to be,
Bob said the winner would not have been Massey. Now everyone but Mike
is too old to settle anything. C'est la vie.
Triple D...
Sorackem
"Bob Jewett" <jew...@sfbilliards.com> wrote in message
news:10924156...@emperor.labs.agilent.com...
Crane has seemed to be very reserved in the limited exposure I've had of
him.
Would "showboat" refer to his style of play, shot selection and position
patterns?
-B <just curious>
Bob Jewett
> Would "showboat" refer to his style of play, shot selection and
> position patterns?
I think so. Crane, while playing better short, close position
than the other players in the tournaments I saw in the 70's, also
liked to play what some would consider fancy shots, such as
rail-firsts, or two rails to skim the rack for safety, or reverse
the corner like a 3-cushion shot (side, end, same side).