98 BCA Nationals - RESULTS
Billiards Digest
Lauren, our assistant editor, just returned from Las Vegas today after
having a wonderful time. She says the tournament was GREAT! The BCA
did a super job and everyone had fun.
Anyway, she brought the complete listing of results from the tournament
and I felt because people have been asking for this information they can
read at least who the top 4 winners in each catagory were until the BCA
puts the results on their home page.
If you friend is not listed in the top four, please don't ask me where
they placed. Although, I have all that information, I am very busy this
week and don't want to be flooded by requests to look up individual
players results. Please understand, on a normal week, I'd be happy to
do this. We are closing the magazine, and I am working on some new
areas to the BDi site. Instead, I would give the BCA a call and ask
them. There number is 319-351-2112. Web address:
http://www.bca-pool.com
Anyway, here are the top four winners in each category:
Results from the 1998 BCA Nationals
Las Vegas, NV
MASTER SCOTCH DOUBLES:
1st: Smith & Olivia Jackson, Phoenix, AZ
2nd: Nolen & Pam Dillsworth, Lansing, MI
3rd: Edwards & David Boone, Halifax, NS
4th: Owen & Sandra Wallace, Oklahoma City, OK
MASTER SCOTCH DOUBLES:
1st: Doty & David Rhodes, Kelso, WA
2nd: Hevener & Keva White, Spokane, WA
3rd: Rngels & Renee Edmiston, Lemont, IL
4th: Ashton & Stan Tourangeau, Calgary
MENS OPEN SINGLES:
1st: Dave Edwards, Shelburn, Ind.
2nd: Glen Hopkinson, Coquittam, BC
3rd: Michael, Douglas, Oklahoma City, OK
4th: Daniel Heidrich, Rochester, NY
WOMENS OPEN SINGLES:
1st: Kim White, Houston, Tx.
2nd: Angelina Paglia, Mesa, AZ
3rd: Anne Gay, Salem, OR
4th: Sandy Royce, Perkins, OK
MENS SENIORS:
1st: Allan Stum, Dillsburg, PA
2nd: Joe Espindola, Victoria, TX
3rd: Wayne Fate, Harrisburg, PA
4th: Richard Magaro, Alburquerque, NM
WOMENS SENIORS:
1st: Karen Wold, N/A
2nd: Linda Dick, N/A
3rd: Priscilla Gast, N/A
4th: Lucille Donahue, N/A
MENS MASTERS SINGLES:
1st: Jon Kucharo, Bettendorf, IA
2nd: Rend Rendon, Houston, TX
3rd: James Hevener, Spokane, WA
4th: Stan Tourangeau, Calgary, Alb
WOMENS MASTERS SINGLES:
1st: Kristi Carter, Oklohoma City
2nd: Julie Mason, Newton, KS
3rd: Susie Miller, Meadow Vista, CA
4th: Kathie Macdonald, Calgary
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Bob Jewett
Billiards Digest (sv...@lubypublishing.com) wrote:
: Results from the 1998 BCA Nationals
Not exactly a result, but there was a sign prominently posted saying
that the 1999 Nationals would be a non-smoking tournament. (No smoking
permitted in the competition area; of course Las Vegas is generally a
smoking-permitted area.)
Bob Jewett
kar...@teamnet.net
My husband and I were a little shocked by this. We ventured to guess
that smokers were the majority at the nationals this year, and
wondered how many of them would skip the event in the future
because of this rule. Yes, we all agree that the sport can do
well with any image boosting, but at this time there must be
other things that would help just as much without alienating a
large percentage of the players...??? And yes, we all agree and
acknowledge that smoking is hazardous to our health... but the
fact remains that many players smoke. As I was watching
the final matches, I was surprised at how many of the players
were lighting up. Will those players be back next year? I wonder...
I've sent a message to the BCA stating the same. I also asked
them wouldn't they have been better off taking a vote rather than
making this decision amongst themselves.
Personally, I don't think it will bother me not to smoke during
my matches, but my husband doesn't think he can do it and is
talking about going to the VNEA tournament next year instead.
Being the devoted wife that I am, I'll probably have to go with
him.
Karla Chorny
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>My husband and I were a little shocked by this. We ventured to guess
>that smokers were the majority at the nationals this year, and
>wondered how many of them would skip the event in the future
>because of this rule. [...]
If these amateur tournaments are ever going to make it to TV (and we all
hope they do, right?), they will have to be nonsmoking. If pool ever
makes it to the olympics, it will be nonsmoking there too. If any of the
current amateur players turn pro and play on TV, they will have to play
nonsmoking. I think that smoking while playing is just not a big deal,
but I guess we'll have to wait until next year to see.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Pat Petrola
Bob Jewett wrote:
>
> Not exactly a result, but there was a sign prominently posted saying
> that the 1999 Nationals would be a non-smoking tournament. (No smoking
> permitted in the competition area.)
>
YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now if only our local places would follow suit!
Pat
Jim Barr
kar...@teamnet.net wrote:
>
> My husband and I were a little shocked by this. We ventured to guess
> that smokers were the majority at the nationals this year, and
> wondered how many of them would skip the event in the future
> because of this rule.
The following is from the program from the Nationals:
Title: "BCA goes smokeless in 1999
First line: Due to increasing requests from players and spectators... "
It's the request from players that gets me. Like you said the majority
seem to be smokers. So the request from players must be coming from the
minority of non-smokers who most all probably play in establishments at
home that allow smoking.
The article goes on to say that the board of directors approved this
policy change in July 1997 and will also include the Canadian 8-Ball
Championships.
Jim Barr
Dave Hall
I also hope that billiards in general can become non-smoking.
Smokers appeared to represent 75% or better of the players there so
I was a little surprised to see the sign for 1999. Maryland went
through similar "trauma" with restaurants, workplaces, public
buildings. The establishments seem to have survived with little
change in business. California recently outlawed smoking in Bars.
I enjoy the game enough to tolerate the smoking and the damage it
does to all of us. I play with current smokers and ex-smoker. (Two
of the ex-smokers are dying of emphysema)
Interesting side note- a lady was thrown off the blackjack table
for dipping snuff. It is disgusting to look at, but that particular
habit only harms the user.
I sincerely hope that the sport can survive the smoking issue.
Dave Hall
GeneD
>
>Interesting side note- a lady was thrown off the blackjack table
>for dipping snuff. It is disgusting to look at, but that particular
>habit only harms the user.
>
>I sincerely hope that the sport can survive the smoking issue.
>
>Dave Hall
This is a very intresting side note--
I was in a poker game at one of
the local Casinos , and a man was
asked to get rid of his "Dip" (skoal).
He complained that, " He always dipped there???
what was the problem?" They pointed to the sign saying
"No Chewing Tabacco or Pipesmoking" .
The man complained that he was not "Chewing
Tabacco....he was dipping".
Those of you who know the diffrence can understand
the guys point that chewing tabacco is far more
disgusting than dipping.
GeneD
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn Pro"
---Hunter S. Thompson
akle...@ciena.com
In article <355FB7...@sound.net>,
I was there this year, and it did seem that a majority of the
attendees was a smoker. Also, when I went up to the center Ref table
to ask about something, I heard one of them (some lady with blonde
hair) bitching and moaning about it, claiming that she and lots of
other folks are gonna be "...writing letters and signing petitions to allow
it, or they'd boycott it."
Boycott away, baby!! I want to make it to the money!!! ;)
Oh, and regarding the Singles finals and smoking: I was front row
center, and neither of the Men's Open finalists smoked (best match I've
ever seen -- Loser's bracket comeback by Dave Edwards, 2nd match
went hill-hill!), but one of the Men's Masters finalists (the
ultimate winner) did. I think at least one of the Female finalists
smoked. I don't recall either of the Men's Seniors finalists smoking.
I noticed my throat hurting by the 2nd day I was there. I think it
was due to the smoke in the room(s), but can only speculate. Fortunately
the hall I play at here in Atlanta (Barley's, whose owner, Larry Cooper,
is on the BCA BOD) is smokeless.
Andy
bobgreen
>My husband and I were a little shocked by this. We ventured to guess
>that smokers were the majority at the nationals this year, and
>wondered how many of them would skip the event in the future
If these amateur tournaments are ever going to make it to TV (and we all
hope they do, right?), they will have to be nonsmoking. If pool ever
makes it to the olympics, it will be nonsmoking there too. If any of
the
current amateur players turn pro and play on TV, they will have to play
nonsmoking. I think that smoking while playing is just not a big deal,
but I guess we'll have to wait until next year to see.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
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I certainly agree that the majority at the tournament were smokers..my
eyes burned after the first hour..my clothes smelled like a sewer..after
the second day my lungs burned & i think that it affects the play,
particularly of nonsmokers. True, we all eventually get used to it but I
think the proposed nonsmoking tournament will be an interesting
experiment. Seems only fair to me that the nonsmokers should be able to
play in a smoke free environment..& lets face it, it ain't good for us.
Maybe the smokers can do the nicotine patch thing..now there's a money
making idea for a boothe?
Cheers
Bob
PS My Dad ran a pool hall & died of emphysema..smoking does take a toll
& I still miss him
The Baron
In my experience of a time when smoking was banned at a bridge club all the
smokers said they wouldn't come after it was banned but they still came
after it was banned anyway going outside when there was a break or a bit of
spare time for a quick smoke. Playing pool is to good. People will still
come after smoking is banned. Of course it makes it so much easier on
everyone if it is banned in all situations at once so there is no
alternative venue or event where players can attend and smoke.
Cueball
On Mon, 18 May 1998 22:33:16 GMT, akle...@ciena.com wrote:
>Boycott away, baby!! I want to make it to the money!!! ;)
Good point! There will ALWAYS be plenty of good players who want to
make it in the money.
>
>Oh, and regarding the Singles finals and smoking: I was front row
>center, and neither of the Men's Open finalists smoked (best match I've
>ever seen -- Loser's bracket comeback by Dave Edwards, 2nd match
>went hill-hill!), but one of the Men's Masters finalists (the
>ultimate winner) did. I think at least one of the Female finalists
>smoked. I don't recall either of the Men's Seniors finalists smoking.
Seems to me the easiest solution is to have a separately-ventilated
area for smokers, where they can catch a puff or two between matches.
If you've ever noticed the pro golf players who smoke, they do it "out
of the public view," away from the spectators and cameras. You'll
occasionally catch one of 'em, or a caddie puffing, but it was by
accident, I think.
The idea of a small smoking "room" or area (along with the idea of the
patches) might just work, satisfying the cravings of smokers while
requiring a certain amount of conformity for the benefit of the
spectating public and non-smokers as well.
(Sorry to hear about your father.. but, his death from smoking makes a
good point.)
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Pat Petrola
bobgreen wrote:
>
> [ Snip ]
>
> PS My Dad ran a pool hall & died of emphysema..smoking does take a toll
> & I still miss him
Sorry to hear about your father.
My father was a 180 pound ex-marine who smoked, smoked, smoked. When he
died (from emphysema), he weighed 68 pounds and could not get out of
bed. He had to have someone light his cigarettes for him. I don't have
a whole lot of sympathy for the smokers.
Pat Petrola
Cueball
On Mon, 18 May 1998 19:23:06 GMT, edu...@iamerica.net (GeneD) wrote:
>Those of you who know the diffrence can understand
>the guys point that chewing tabacco is far more
>disgusting than dipping.
>GeneD
I dunno about that, Mr.D. I can remember an aunt and uncle who
dipped, and it really was pretty disgusting to me and the rest of the
family at the time (though a part of life at the time, late 1950's; I
was just a little kid.)
Dippers have to spit. (Well, I'm sure my uncle was "man enough" to
swallow it at times, when absolutely necessary. But I remember us
sitting around the pot-bellied stove in the middle of their living
room, and him spitting on the ultra-hot stove and watching the spittle
sizzle off.
If casinos had pot-bellied stoves to heat the joint, then maybe they'd
allow dippers.
(Seems odd to me that a casino would forbid pipe smoking but not
ceegar smoking.)
Umbra99
If people weren't so damn addicted, they could step back
and see how disgusting and stupid a habit it really is, not
to mention destroying your health !!
SnookerUSA
It is both tragic and silly to me why smoking is not
outlawed everywhere in the first place.
I mean really... it is LEGAL....and basically has been
determined to be a nicotine delivery system.
I would be willing bet that if nicotine were removed
from cigarettes, people would have no problem
quitting if they wanted to. Of course then you
would have to deal with the group that thinks it is
really cool to have a lit thing protruding from your
mouth, during most waking moments.
My father also has had his problems with smoking
btw.
He had a radical neck done because he had squamus
cell cancer in his jaw..... needless to say he has no
more urges to smoke.
I occassionally smoke a cigar..can you believe that?
STILL.
There is something to this anti-smoking thing. . . . . .
I know I can live without it.
How about you?
Mark Kulaga
Cue Sports Enthusiast
<A HREF="http://www.snookerusa.com/SnookerUSA.html">SnookerUSA</A>
Deno J. Andrews
SnookerUSA wrote:
> I occassionally smoke a cigar..can you believe that?
> STILL.
> There is something to this anti-smoking thing. . . . . .
> I know I can live without it.
> How about you?
>
> Mark Kulaga
Well said Mark! I stopped smoking 2 1/2 years ago. I too still enjoy a
cigar every once in a while(Cohiba if possible).
Although I admit it is quite hip to be smoking...it is the least classy
thing to be doing at the table...especially when competing! If people
don't have the personal management to not smoke for a couple of
hours...they have no business competing at anything. I used to smoke
while playing in tournaments. I had the opportunity of watching myself
in a home video tape someone took at a tournament. Guess what...I asked
him to burn the tape because it was so sick. I couldn't believe how bad
I looked. Imaging me...picture boy of professionalism....smoking at the
tournament table. Sick I tell you!!
I think smoking while competing should be banned. I am not an
anti-smoking activist and smoke to this day does not bother me at all.
It's just that we are trying to make the image of our sports better.
The point is...nobody will put a smoke filled room on TV...
Deno J. Andrews
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Frank Mogaddedi
Somewhat recently, umb...@aol.com (Umbra99) muttered:
> If people weren't so damn addicted, they could step back
> and see how disgusting and stupid a habit it really is, not
> to mention destroying your health !!
Yes. Agreed. I am a smoker, I'm well past the point where I do
it for taste only (believe me, I really liked the taste when
I started!!!) but realize that I am addicted to nicotine.
As to whether it's disgusting or not, that's a personal opinion.
I find tobacco-chewing more disgusting, I don't like the look
of many gum-chewers because it reminds me of cows and camels, etc.
Stupid - yes, I admit to that. Slowly ruining my health is
a stupid habit I currently can't break. Lack of will or want,
the calming effect it has on me when I'm nervous, call it whatever
you want, I currently can't quit! I try cutting down by breathing
deeply when I need to steady my nerves, and chewing on a straw (plastic)
to satisfy possible oral fixations. It still doesn't work as well
as I'd like it.
Now, what does increase my urge to smoke? Alcohol, for once.
After a drink, my urge increases. Nervousness and stress make
me want to light up a smoke. Increases in stress/nervousness can
happen during the day at the office, or at night during a challenging
pool-match. Another thing that ups my stress-level is being told
that I have a stupid and disgusting habit, or questioning my
ability to look at myself in a detached manner.
I guess what I'm saying is that ranting at us smokers is not
necessarily exactly helping us in breaking the habit.
Frank (* Ouch, fell down from my soap-box *)
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B P
On Fri, 15 May 1998 21:01:40 GMT, kar...@teamnet.net wrote:
>My husband and I were a little shocked by this. We ventured to guess
>that smokers were the majority at the nationals this year, and
>wondered how many of them would skip the event in the future
>because of this rule. Yes, we all agree that the sport can do
>well with any image boosting, but at this time there must be
>other things that would help just as much without alienating a
>large percentage of the players...??? And yes, we all agree and
>acknowledge that smoking is hazardous to our health... but the
>fact remains that many players smoke.
And even more don't
> As I was watching
>the final matches, I was surprised at how many of the players
>were lighting up. Will those players be back next year?
Maybe they will die before next year...you never know.
> I wonder...
>
>I've sent a message to the BCA stating the same. I also asked
>them wouldn't they have been better off taking a vote rather than
>making this decision amongst themselves.
Why ? Its good for everyone, even the smokers.
>
>Personally, I don't think it will bother me not to smoke during
>my matches, but my husband doesn't think he can do it and is
>talking about going to the VNEA tournament next year instead.
Hopefully they will follow suit.
>Being the devoted wife that I am, I'll probably have to go with
>him.
Maybe he is trying to tell you something. ;-)
>
>Karla Chorny
>
>In article <jewettEt...@netcom.com>,
> jew...@netcom.com (Bob Jewett) wrote:
>>
>> Billiards Digest (sv...@lubypublishing.com) wrote:
>>
>> : Results from the 1998 BCA Nationals
>>
>> Not exactly a result, but there was a sign prominently posted saying
>> that the 1999 Nationals would be a non-smoking tournament. (No smoking
>> permitted in the competition area; of course Las Vegas is generally a
>> smoking-permitted area.)
>>
>> Bob Jewett
>>
>>
>
>
Ron Shepard
In article <3560B6...@vetmed.tamu.edu>, bobgreen
<robg...@vetmed.tamu.edu> wrote:
>I certainly agree that the majority at the tournament were smokers..my
>eyes burned after the first hour..my clothes smelled like a sewer..after
>the second day my lungs burned & i think that it affects the play,
>particularly of nonsmokers.
I wasn't there taking statistics, so I don't really know if it was a
majority or not. Even if the smokers were in a minority, it would *seem*
like a majority if there was enough smoke in the air. But does it make a
difference, majority/minority? Smokers harm the health of nonsmokers by
their actions, nonsmokers don't harm the health of smokers.
>True, we all eventually get used to it but I
>think the proposed nonsmoking tournament will be an interesting
>experiment.
I think "experiment" makes it sound more important and trendsetting than
it is. There are nonsmoking rooms all over the country. I play in one
here in the Chicago area. It has good equipment and good players show up
for their tournaments. This nonsmoking thing is just not a big deal. All
of the major tournaments on TV have been nonsmoking for years. The WPA
world 9-ball championships last year were nonsmoking. It is just not a
big deal.
[...]
>PS My Dad ran a pool hall & died of emphysema..smoking does take a toll
>& I still miss him
There are very few people who can claim that they have not been touched in
a similar way. That is the surprising thing about those who defend
smoking in public places, they are surely victims just as the nonsmokers
in this way.
BTW, the McCain tobacco bill is being argued in the senate again. It was
a surprise that it came up before the full senate for public discussion.
The part being argued today is about price supports for tobacco growers.
Yes, believe it or not, your tax money has been going to support the
tobacco industry for the past 50 years even if you are a nonsmoker! Not
to mention the medical costs that we all bear, both through insurance and
public care, because the smoking industry hasn't been paying its own way
all this time. But I doubt that this aspect of things will change
immediately. Maybe there will be some compromise where it is phased out
over 20 years or something. Or maybe it will stay the same, it just
depends on which wheels have been greased by which lobbyists.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
kar...@teamnet.net
In article <3561bb3f...@news.mindspring.com>,
six...@mindspring.com (B P) wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 May 1998 21:01:40 GMT, kar...@teamnet.net wrote:
> >other things that would help just as much without alienating a
> >large percentage of the players...??? And yes, we all agree and
> >acknowledge that smoking is hazardous to our health... but the
> >fact remains that many players smoke.
> And even more don't
Perhaps over-all, but I was speaking of a _particular_ event (mentioned in
the title of this thread), where I'm pretty sure that smokers out-numbered
non-smokers.
> >were lighting up. Will those players be back next year?
> Maybe they will die before next year...you never know.
This is a rather harsh response, don't you think? We are talking
about people who smoke....not murderers or rapists.
> >I've sent a message to the BCA stating the same. I also asked
> >them wouldn't they have been better off taking a vote rather than
> >making this decision amongst themselves.
> Why ? Its good for everyone, even the smokers.
Of course it is, but my point is that _all_ matters involving players
should be handled diplomatically.
> >Personally, I don't think it will bother me not to smoke during
> >my matches, but my husband doesn't think he can do it and is
> >talking about going to the VNEA tournament next year instead.
> Hopefully they will follow suit.
What doesn't seem to be taken into consideration here is this:
if the smokers don't enter, neither do their entry FEES and there
goes a big chunk of your prize money. This rule could set the BCA
nationals back several years, as far as participation and pay-outs go.
> >Being the devoted wife that I am, I'll probably have to go with
> >him.
> Maybe he is trying to tell you something. ;-)
I have no idea what you mean by this.
I am not condoning smoking. I think it's a nasty habit, in
no way glamorous and just plain yukky! I wish it were illegal, so
that I would be forced to quit, since I don't have the willpower
to do it myself. I only make these points because I hate to see
the BCA put itself in a position to lose so many players. I'm sure
they considered this risk when they voted on the new rule, and
would like to see how they weighed out the pros and cons of
enforcing it, and how long they estimate it will be before they
regain the number of players that they could potentially lose.
And as far as your attitude towards smokers in general, please remember
that smoking is still legal, and has, until recently, been a right that
we've always had. It is not that we are oblivious or unconcerned that
it is harmful to non-smokers, but only bristle at being told that we
CAN'T do something that we've always been able to do before.
Jim Waugh
Of all the posters that have said they were at the BCA Nationals,
why were there only 3 or 4 that came by the Instoke booth and
signed in. We could have had quite a group of rsber's.
Jim W. (Spokane, WA)
Billiards Digest wrote:
>
> Lauren, our assistant editor, just returned from Las Vegas today after
> having a wonderful time. She says the tournament was GREAT! The BCA
> did a super job and everyone had fun.
<<<Snip>>>>
bobgreen
Jim wrtote:
Of all the posters that have said they were at the BCA Nationals,
why were there only 3 or 4 that came by the Instoke booth and
signed in. We could have had quite a group of rsber's.
Jim W. (Spokane, WA)
Jim
sorry I didn't get to meet you although I stopped by your boothe several
times. It seemed the consensus was for a Thur evening get together but
unfortunately that's when a lot of us had multiple matches scheduled.
I did enjoy meeting John & lusting after his nice cases...maybe next
year I'll have more money.
Cheers
Bob
B P
On Tue, 19 May 1998 21:04:27 GMT, kar...@teamnet.net wrote:
>In article <3561bb3f...@news.mindspring.com>,
> six...@mindspring.com (B P) wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 15 May 1998 21:01:40 GMT, kar...@teamnet.net wrote:
>> >other things that would help just as much without alienating a
>> >large percentage of the players...??? And yes, we all agree and
>> >acknowledge that smoking is hazardous to our health... but the
>> >fact remains that many players smoke.
>
>> And even more don't
>
>Perhaps over-all, but I was speaking of a _particular_ event (mentioned in
>the title of this thread), where I'm pretty sure that smokers out-numbered
>non-smokers.
>
Do you have any number to back that up ?
I'll bet the percentage is the same for pool players as it is for the
general population
Laura Friedman
Unless you believe a higher percentage of pool players are smokers than
the rest of the population (which I *don't* believe), then it's possible
that the non-smokers are staying away from this tournament, or bar
leagues in general, because of the smoke.
As a non-smoker, I wouldn't spend a weekend competing, much less an
entire year playing in smokey bars, if I had to play in smokey
conditions. It will be interesting to see if new faces show up next
year, once word spreads that the event will be non-smoking.
Laura
bobgreen
BP wrote:
Do you have any number to back that up ?
I'll bet the percentage is the same for pool players as it is for the
general population
Maybe they are all chain smokers?
All I can say is that the smoke was pretty damn bad in there until about
half the teams were eliminated & left..maybe the exhaust fans couldn't
handle the smoke? I do think that the % of pool players that smoke are
significantly higher than smokers in the general population..Hopefully
the smokers will still come to the tournament next year but will feel
free to get their smoking done at the crap tables or anywhere else.
Cheers
Bob
Ron Shepard
In article <3562E5...@vetmed.tamu.edu>, bobgreen
<robg...@vetmed.tamu.edu> wrote:
>[...] I do think that the % of pool players that smoke are
>significantly higher than smokers in the general population..
Pool & Billiards does an annual survey of their readers, and their survey
always shows the same statistics as the general population. Of course,
P&B readers are themselves perhaps not representative of the pool-playing
population. For example, I expect that a higher percentage of P&B readers
also own their own tables, and one reason that people own their own tables
is so they don't have to play so much in smokey rooms.
BTW, in the latest P&B there is an article on pool tables. It is perhaps
no surprise that most pool tables that are sold go to homes rather than
commercial rooms. However, almost every manufacturer seems to be
experiencing the best rate of sales that they have had in years. It
apparently started around Christmas, and has been continuing since then.
No one seems to know what is causing it. Maybe it is just the result of a
generally good economy, and people have disposable income? Maybe those
pool-playing cheerleaders last year did the trick? Maybe it is all the
good vibes coming from the men's professional organizations? Or maybe
nonsmokers are trying to protect their health now that the long-concealed
facts about tobacco smoke are being published, and most pool rooms are
still smoking?
>Hopefully
>the smokers will still come to the tournament next year but will feel
>free to get their smoking done at the crap tables or anywhere else.
Of course they will, they may whine about it a little, but this won't stop
people from playing pool. I think this is just not that big of a deal for
the smokers, it is only a very very minor inconvenience. But I think it
may be a bigger deal to a few nonsmokers, particularly older ones with
health conditions, who might go to play now but not before. We'll just
have to wait until next year to see.
I think people playing in their homes is fine, but if this is the only
place they play then they are missing several of the benefits of playing
in rooms. The pool rooms are where the tournaments are, they are where
the good players are, they are where the leagues (both social and
competitive) play, and they are the focus of the subculture. I don't
think that pool could survive without the rooms.
But pool can survive without smoking.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Kevin Sullivan
In article <35613705...@news.busprod.com>,
Qb...@busprod.com (Cueball) wrote:
>(Seems odd to me that a casino would forbid pipe smoking but not
>ceegar smoking.)
The "high roller" image, dontcha know. And pipe smoking, some really
stinky flavors around only an afficianado could endure, puffing away
for an hour or so, fiddling with it... no time to play blackjack
when you have to tamp that pipe, dirty thumbs on the cards, then the
banging on the ashtrays to knock out wottle... I can see why. I like
cigars (and pipes) but still remember those endless trips to Western
Kansas when dad would fire up the fat old El Corona and keep the
windows rolled up, heedless to the screams of dismay from the
backseat of the '62 Fleetwood. The old practical joker. I sure fixed
his wagon one time though when I loaded up one of his El Stinkeroos
with about 7 exploding cigarrette loads buried deep, giggling away
upstairs with anticipation about what was gonna happen. That
night, he came upstairs, and I looked out to see about 4 inches of
seegar sticking out of his mouth, and 3 inches of paper flayed out,
just like the cartoons. He never said a word....
For r.s.b topicality, he did provide a 7' Gandy commercial model in
the basement when we teenagers were raising hell <err, growing up>,
the theory being that at least they knew where we were. Occasionally
he would swoop down and perform 3-rail bank shots and generally kick
the snot out of us on the table, just to show us how much more we
had to learn.
--
Kevin Sullivan csr...@gol.com Hiratsuka, Kanagawa, Japan
http://www2.gol.com/users/csr-kts/hiratsuka/index.html
Only 47 days till Tanabata arrives
Cueball
On Wed, 20 May 1998 22:05:43 -0400, wamiller <wami...@inmind.com>
wrote:
...> When cigarettes
>go to $5 a pack, maybe someone will come out with a cheaper alternative
>for nicotine addicts.
You'd better hope smokes don't go up to $5 a pack. Once the gov't gets
ahold of this kind of cash (billions and billions of dollars,) it'll
be a horrendous cancer of its own.
Ghosst
Maybe we're all nuts up here in the Great White North, but the Gov't raised
the price of cigarettes to $7.50/pk here a while ago. There was such a boom
in smuggling, not to mention several attempted murders and bombings of gov't
supporters that the gov't lowered the price to avoid a literal bloodbath.
They actually had to call in our military to handle the problem, but the
expense became too much.
Smokers always win.
--
Regards,
Ghosst
The Practice Room @ http://home.ican.net/~ghosst
_______________Money buys Fashion, not Style_______________
Cueball wrote in message <3563e2b5...@news.busprod.com>...
Bradley Cook
Ghosst wrote:
>
> Maybe we're all nuts up here in the Great White North, but the Gov't raised
> the price of cigarettes to $7.50/pk here a while ago. There was such a boom
> in smuggling, not to mention several attempted murders and bombings of gov't
> supporters that the gov't lowered the price to avoid a literal bloodbath.
> They actually had to call in our military to handle the problem, but the
> expense became too much.
You have to raise the price nationwide, which is what they are working
on now.
Bradley Cook
B P wrote:
>
> >Perhaps over-all, but I was speaking of a _particular_ event (mentioned in
> >the title of this thread), where I'm pretty sure that smokers out-numbered
> >non-smokers.
> >
> I'll bet the percentage is the same for pool players as it is for the
> general population
Well, by looking out over the crowd, I'd say the sample of people at the
BCA tourney was not a fair sample of the general population. There were
definitely more backwoods folks than I'd expect to see everyday on the
streets.
steve
The Baron wrote:
Smoking is banned here (Calif.), but pool and bowling continue unfazed. The
smokers go outside
between games or frames and everyone else enjoys a smoke free environment. As
an ex-smoker I
didn't mind the smoke, but I have to say it's much nicer without it .
SB ;-)
hus...@usit.net
she...@tcg.anl.gov (Ron Shepard) wrote:
>>Hopefully
>>the smokers will still come to the tournament next year but will feel
>>free to get their smoking done at the crap tables or anywhere else.
>
>Of course they will, they may whine about it a little, but this won't stop
>people from playing pool. I think this is just not that big of a deal for
>the smokers, it is only a very very minor inconvenience. But I think it
>may be a bigger deal to a few nonsmokers, particularly older ones with
>health conditions, who might go to play now but not before. We'll just
>have to wait until next year to see.
>
Your right about the ruling not stopping people from playing pool,
they'll just be playing at the other events..... As bad as I hate to
say it, If you smoke the cigarettes sometimes serve as a concentration
aid. Non-smokers could chew gum, use tai-chi exercises etc. etc. to
accomplish this everyone does it differently....... Point is I smoke
(don't like it but I still do) and I have learned to play my game
smoking......Helps me ease stress levels..... You take them away and
maybe my game drops 10-20%
So enjoy the event next year..... Who knows you could be crowned the
best non-smoking pool player in the country.... won't mean squat to
me or most of the sharps at the local pool hall...... They're probably
sitting around drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes waiting for you
to come back in so they can pay the rent anyway...... Just take solice
in the fact that if they weren't smoking the cigarette butts they
might not be smoking your's either.......
Wonder what Camel thinks......... Smokin Joe won't be Strokin Joe...
What Next??? No drinking in Busch League.????.......
No offense intended, just my $.02
Showboat
Christian Renfro
Dave Hall
Regarding the smuggling. A newspaper article aluded that the
tobacco industy purposely supplied Canadian branded cigarettes to
dubiuos US dealers and basically undermined the tax by supporting
the bootleggers.
The US tax has to be nationwide with safeguards to prevent exports
to another country and then bootlegging them back in.
The tobacco industry has a lot of tricks. a lot of $$$ are at
stake.
Dave
Dave Hall
Regarding numbers of smokers. Specifically the final events. The
pressure was intense and I noticed that several smoking players had
multiple cigarettes burning. The little foil ashtrays were all in
use. A player would light up, put the cigarette in the tray, then
light another when through shooting. Filters were also burning
which made the situation worse. In the finals it appeared that 4
out of 5 were smokers.
steve
Dave Hall wrote:
Sounds familiar...in my teens I played 14.1 with my mentor on Sat. &
Sun and we would both have
2 or 3 cigarettes going in various placed during our games.
Since I quit I rely on coffee for the edge I used to get with the
cigarette. Oh yeah, and I use beer
to wipe out whatever edge I thought I had to begin with...
SB ;-)
Cueball
and, is your playing better or worse since?
Ed Mercier
Yeah, Joe is dead. I've noticed a ton of Joe Camel/Pool related items,
such as ashtrays, lighters, signs, and lights selling on ebay the past year
or so. Being a beginning collector of sorts, I wonder if these will become
significantly more valuable after awhile. I'm sure they made a ton of
them, but you never know?
spr...@aol.com wrote:
> In article <356645f5...@nntp.usit.net>, hus...@usit.net wrote:
>
> >Wonder what Camel thinks......... Smokin Joe won't be Strokin Joe...
>
> FYI, Joe Camel got hacked a while back (one of our biggest accounts). I
> think he died with a cigarette in his mouth, playing pool in a smoke
> filled bar.
>
> :)
Tony and Barbie Softa
Billiards Digest wrote:
>
> Lauren, our assistant editor, just returned from Las Vegas today after
> having a wonderful time. She says the tournament was GREAT! The BCA
> did a super job and everyone had fun.
>
> and I felt because people have been asking for this information they can
> read at least who the top 4 winners in each catagory were until the BCA
> puts the results on their home page.
>
> If you friend is not listed in the top four, please don't ask me where
> they placed. Although, I have all that information, I am very busy this
> week and don't want to be flooded by requests to look up individual
> players results. Please understand, on a normal week, I'd be happy to
> do this. We are closing the magazine, and I am working on some new
> areas to the BDi site. Instead, I would give the BCA a call and ask
> them. There number is 319-351-2112. Web address:
> http://www.bca-pool.com
>
> Anyway, here are the top four winners in each category:
>
> Results from the 1998 BCA Nationals
>
> MASTER SCOTCH DOUBLES:
> 1st: Smith & Olivia Jackson, Phoenix, AZ
> 2nd: Nolen & Pam Dillsworth, Lansing, MI
> 3rd: Edwards & David Boone, Halifax, NS
> 4th: Owen & Sandra Wallace, Oklahoma City, OK
>
> MASTER SCOTCH DOUBLES:
> 1st: Doty & David Rhodes, Kelso, WA
> 2nd: Hevener & Keva White, Spokane, WA
> 3rd: Rngels & Renee Edmiston, Lemont, IL
> 4th: Ashton & Stan Tourangeau, Calgary
>
> MENS OPEN SINGLES:
> 1st: Dave Edwards, Shelburn, Ind.
> 2nd: Glen Hopkinson, Coquittam, BC
> 3rd: Michael, Douglas, Oklahoma City, OK
> 4th: Daniel Heidrich, Rochester, NY
>
> WOMENS OPEN SINGLES:
> 1st: Kim White, Houston, Tx.
> 2nd: Angelina Paglia, Mesa, AZ
> 3rd: Anne Gay, Salem, OR
> 4th: Sandy Royce, Perkins, OK
>
> MENS SENIORS:
> 1st: Allan Stum, Dillsburg, PA
> 2nd: Joe Espindola, Victoria, TX
> 3rd: Wayne Fate, Harrisburg, PA
> 4th: Richard Magaro, Alburquerque, NM
>
> WOMENS SENIORS:
> 1st: Karen Wold, N/A
> 2nd: Linda Dick, N/A
> 3rd: Priscilla Gast, N/A
> 4th: Lucille Donahue, N/A
>
> MENS MASTERS SINGLES:
> 1st: Jon Kucharo, Bettendorf, IA
> 2nd: Rend Rendon, Houston, TX
> 3rd: James Hevener, Spokane, WA
> 4th: Stan Tourangeau, Calgary, Alb
>
> WOMENS MASTERS SINGLES:
> 1st: Kristi Carter, Oklohoma City
> 2nd: Julie Mason, Newton, KS
> 3rd: Susie Miller, Meadow Vista, CA
> 4th: Kathie Macdonald, Calgary
>
> Yours,
> --
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Sven... I know you're busy, but could you at least post the top four
finishers in the team events as well?? Particularly the Mens Open
Team..??? Please??