Shafts made from old growth logs recoved from Lake Superior
rhncue
They had very tight growth rings (about 40 to the inch) but the wood was
rather dark and both pieces had black mildew through them.
Dick
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"charlie edwards" <charlese...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Any experience and/or opinions of this shaft stock? I'm thinking of
> having a shaft made from this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie Edwards
tony mathews
charlie edwards wrote:
> Any experience and/or opinions of this shaft stock? I'm thinking of
> having a shaft made from this.
The stuff is really hard to get. A few years ago I ordered quite a few
squares from Superior Water Logged Lumber, and I never did get them.
They kept saying it was in the Kiln. Finally, after about 2 years I just
told the guy to forget it. From what I understand they are having
financial troubles now. Beware, there are many other water-logged lumber
products for sale. As far as I'm concerned, the stuff some lake superior
was the best.
The other problem is that even though the stuff might be better in
theory, you still have to pick and choose from what they give you. There
is no guarantee that what you get will be any good at all.
Good luck!
Tony
Larry Lurker
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> having a shaft made from this.
>
>
> Charlie Edwards
Check with Jim Buss in St. Louis (he'll probably see this thread though).
He showed me some dandies that he was in the process of turning down a few
months ago.
Jim Buss
I have to charge an extra $100.00 per shaft, ($200.00 total).
See http://www.jimbuss.com/lakewood.htm
and http://www.jimbuss.com/sawdust.htm
The first is photos of the wood as I received it, and the second is me
out behind my shop running it through the planer. The package of
dowells on the pool table is normal maple dowells, not lakewood. Don't
compare the color of the dowells to the lumber. The lumber lightened
up after running through the planer.
I got about a 20% yield. The shafts are just slightly darker than
normal, but after a few days of use, they look about like regular
shafts with some chalk in them. There are some small dark specs in
the grain, but not a problem. I'm using them on my cue.
One thing that I noticed about the wood is that it has a funny odor
when cutting it. No problem after the shaft is done, however.
When I cut new shaftwood, I make a rough cut to get some wood off the
dowell, then let it sit a few months. When I come back to turn it
some more, about half of the dowells have aquired a slight warp.
subsequent turnings make most of them straight. After 5 passes over a
year, about 90 percent of them end up usable.
I was anxious to try the lakewood shafts, so I took 10 and cut them
down all the way. I made all 5 cuts on the same day. I then made a
shaft out of one of them. The hit is really good. I checked the
other 9 shafts a few weeks later, and all 10 of them were still
straight.
I ordered another load (twice the amount this time). It is supposed
to be delivered sometime next year.
--JIM BUSS--
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Jim Buss
It's on my website at http://www.jimbuss.com/shafts.htm
--JIM BUSS--
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Texas Willee
I like em a little dark just like that one.
Jim, I played around with four of them about 6 months ago.
My untuned skills really could not feel the difference other than I liked
the color.
I still have two or three 1" X 36" squares of sunken Birdseye and made a
shaft from one of those.
Looks nice as it matches the Birdseye forearm.
It is still straight after 5 months.
I think the lack of resins in the sunken and recovered wood makes it more
stable.
Please let me know if you decide to sell off some small quantities of the
wood.
Texas Willee
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Mark0
can be seen from the ends....
Mark0
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maf
instruments, furniture, wood flooring, and other items (and now apparently
cue shafts). It is used in musical instruments because it was discovered
that Stradivarius violins always used wood that had been submerged for at
least 50 years. I believe that it makes the wood less dense after it dries,
although old growth timber is very dense to start out with. Here is the text
of an article on the use of submerged wood for violin making:
http://www.pulseplanet.com/archive/Nov00/2272.html:
Hundreds of years ago, Antonio Stradivari crafted violins prized for the
resonance and clarity of their sound. The instrument that we're listening to
right now is not a Stradivarius, but it bears a kinship with the work of the
master -- because before it was a violin, it was under water. I'm Jim
Metzner and this is the Pulse of the Planet, presented by DuPont.
"It's like not putting any effort into playing it, it plays itself. It just
rings for a long time, it just has a beautiful resonance to it."
Debra Powers' violin is made of spruce and maple -- not especially rare
trees, but this wood is special. It came from logs that were retrieved from
the bottom of Lake Superior, where they had sunk during logging operations
in the 1800's.
"There's something about wood that's been submerged in water that enlarges
the cells of the wood and it helps it capture the sound. It's exactly how
Antonio Stradivarius made his violins and his violins are the best in the
world. He never made a violin out of wood that had not been submerged for
over 50 years."
The waterlogged wood used to make Debra's violin was found in Lake Superior
by scuba diver Scott Mitchen. He now heads a company called Timeless Timber,
which retrieves and sells the lumber. The wood is being used in furniture
and paneling, but it's especially valuable in making musical instruments,
including drums, guitars and harps.
"What happens when you soak the wood for a period of years is the starchy,
gummy matters that is in the cell walls of the wood is leached out over a
period of time and it's replaced by water. When dried, you have a zillion
hollowed-out cell walls that act like speaker cabinets that resonate the
wood."
Here is the Timeless Timber web site: http://www.oldlogs.com/
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tony mathews
Jim Buss wrote:
> I took a photo of the recovered shaftwood next to new growth shaftwood.
>
I love that colour of shaftwood. Reminds me of old Zsamboti shafts!
Tony
Texas Willee
instrument.
We are talking about pool cue shafts here.
What is it that makes you think that the same characteristics that make the
wood desirable for a violin also make it desirable for a pool cue shaft? I
am not totally convinced that there are ANY characteristics that make the
sunken maple better than the Maple the cuemakers are using today. However I
do have an open mind and a willingness to experiment with it. If high
density is the big characteristic that makes for a good shaft then I would
think that the stabilized Maple or Cuetek's fiberglass clad shaft should
tend to support that. Testing done with the mechanical stroke machines
indicate that tip mass is a key factor for squirt. The lower the better.
Personaly, I like shafts that are made from darker colored Maple that shows
a bit of grain charactor better than the the white, clear Maple that is
considered to be the most desirable shaft wood, but that is just my personal
preference and totaly unsuported by any research and/or testing.
Texas Willee
"maf" <m...@switchboard.net> wrote in message
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> The old growth logs from Lake Superior are being harvested to use in
musical
> instruments, furniture, wood flooring, and other items (and now apparently
> cue shafts). It is used in musical instruments because it was discovered
> that Stradivarius violins always used wood that had been submerged for at
> least 50 years. I believe that it makes the wood less dense after it
dries,
> although old growth timber is very dense to start out with. Here is the
text
> of an article on the use of submerged wood for violin making:
> http://www.pulseplanet.com/archive/Nov00/2272.html:
>
<SNIP>
Jim Buss
> can be seen from the ends....
Yes, they are more dense. Some have several times as many growth
rings as modern wood. In the forests 150 or so years ago, the trees
grew so close together that they didn't get a lot of light each year,
so they didn't grow as much each year, so the rings are closer (Fact)
They also could only grow straight up, so the grain can be straighter,
I have no evidence that this true, just hearsay.
--JIM BUSS--
http://www.jimbuss.com
maf
was just reporting what I knew (and also found out) about the wood, and the
Lake Superior source of it. It seems to have very tight growth rings because
it was old growth lumber, but at the same time the cells have been hollowed
out from being in the water so long (as described in the article). You would
have to the cue makers about why they think this is better.
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