Pool Players Getting Sucker-Punched
Earthquake
process of writing an autobiography, and I discovered the Google
search engine. Although I can remember events, people, and road
trips, I have used search engines to refresh memory of dates and to
acquire background information. I have explored new horizons I never
new existed with the Internet, tournament listings, travel
opportunities, online gambling, eBay, e-mail, Mapblast for directions,
and pool forums. The benefits are endless.
The World Pool Championship has just ended, and although Earl and Alex
didn't make it to the top, I'm proud of both of them for making it as
far as they did in a very tough field. The TV coverage of the WPC is
phenomenal, a lot different than ESPN pool coverage. It is fresh,
exciting, and entertaining.
Now, you would think the pool public would appreciate all of the
above. Instead, I have been reading intentionally cruel and sometimes
nonsensical posts written by folks who hide behind their computer
name. These nits -- and yes, they are nits -- seem to enjoy
sucker-punching the very players who are making history in our pool
world. Oftentimes, these posts aren't even true, and I don't know if
these posters are trying to be funny or whether they get their rocks
off "sucker-punching" these top players. You all know what I'm
talking about. You've read them, and some of you may think they're
cute, some may think they are true, but what is unbelievable to me is
when posters seem to get pleasure knocking down a guy who is just
trying to make a living in the very sport we all love. Earl has taken
a terrible beating on these pool forums, and although I don't know if
he is actually active on the computer as I am right now, I realize now
why I haven't seen many top players posting. Who wants to subject
theirselves to this type of abuse? Earl is my friend, and I've known
him since he was real young. He's not a bad guy, just another human
being like the rest of us, and he's getting slammed by the very
Americans he represented over there in England.
Now I'm another story. After poring through the forums and reading
all of the nasty things said about me, it's really nothing new and it
doesn't leave any scars. I've weathered a lot of storms in my life.
The only thing that sucks is these computer sucker-punchers know they
can hit as hard as they want and hide behind their computer name.
So keep on writing, my fellow posters. Some of you will probably try
to take a pot shot at me for making the above statement, but I won't
be back to this particular forum after this posting. If that's what
the forums are for, a vehicle to hit and run, then I guess it does
serve a puropse.
Earthquake
WilleeCue
You are correct about mean and cruel people and some are very proud of being
that way.
Hope you can extract the good and leave the crap where it belongs.
Sounds like you have a good handle on it.
I have always liked Earl and felt he was everything a real American pool player
was about.
He has been there and done that and wears the shirt and hat to prove it.
No one is mr nice guy all the time .... hell ... watch a hockey game of even a
baseball game when the pitcher gets a little wild.
Personaly, I think he is a hell of a pool player and deserves everything he has
achieved.
He is truly an American pearl.
William Lee
"Earthquake" <KHMcC...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ninebal310
In response to your post about "sucker punchers".
Dear Mr. Earthquake, McCready or whatever,
I don't know you, but I have read that you are some guy named Keith
McCready. Now, I love to shoot pool and I have seen Pro Players shoot on ESPN.
I have formed MY opinion of such players as Earl, Corey, Efren and others.
Others on here have done the same.
In this News Group (NG), we have many different personalities. We don't all
agree on all subjects. As a matter of fact, we usually disagree. Why you ask?
Because most of the talk on here is OPINIONS, and I am sure you know the saying
about opinions.
Now, don't read any further if you think I may sucker punch you.
You may be the nicest guy in the world, you may be gods gift to the pool
world. But all that doesn't matter on here. You are no different than anybody
else on here. Nuff said?
If you want to contribute, which is what this NG is about, feel free to do
so. Many of us will welcome your ideas and opinions as we welcome anybodies
ideas and opinions. But keep in mind, many will disagree and argue. You MUST be
thick skinned and not easily upset to withstand the abuse that we give each
other. I dish it out too, but I think I can take it also.
In regards to YOU making history in the pool world (thats the way I read
it), I glad you feel that way, but many others before you can/will and have
done it too. So, don't feel you are special. If I took that comment out of
context, I apologize.
In regards to Earl. He may be a great guy, but people will form an opinion
based on his actions and what is said about him by others that have viewed his
mannerisms (is that a word?). Not everybody can be loved by all. Deal with it.
8 ball, what spot will you give me? :-)
Hustlin' Hank
Bill Porter
From the fact that you have never heard of Keith McCready, I'm guessing that
you are fairly new to the game of pool. Us old timers remember him from 30
years ago or so as one of the top money players in the game, and he still
plays tournament level pool. Imagine, if you can, how disappointing it is to
pool players age 50 and up who are excited to have someone like Keith
posting on this board (since he has such a wealth of experience and
knowledge) to see him quit posting as the result of insults and disrespect.
I agree with your idea that we all have a right to form our own opinions and
your statement that you have to be thick skinned to survive on most forums.
However, while all have the right to an opinion, not all opinions are of
equal value. When it comes to pool, pool tournaments, and gambling on pool,
the opinion of someone new to the game is not worth nearly as much as the
opinion of a veteran of decades of tournaments and matches.
Anyone who has looked in on pool discussion boards for a few months or more
has seen this happen before. Some knowledgeable person, known to all who
have been around the game for many years, starts posting. Most of the
serious players are happy to see this expert's posts, but pretty soon some
newbies start shooting him/her down. The expert takes offense, not being
used to the insults being hurled at them and quits posting. I have no
solution to this problem, just a bit of sadness that it seems so inevitable.
"Ninebal310" <nineb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bob Johnson
a cruel place, thanks, but don't bother.
If it was to defend Earl, if you search a bit, you'll find that many of us
here have done a much better job than you just did.
If it's to let the pool/billiards community know that you're writing an
autobiography, it worked. ADD MY EMAIL ADDRESS TO A LIST TO BE NOTIFIED
WHEN IT'S READY TO BE ORDERED. I don't know how many copies of Bet High,
Kiss Low that Grady sold because of RSB/ASP, but I for one bought mine
because of posts here.
One suggestion. I like Grady, and enjoyed his book, but don't use his
spelling/grammar editor for your final edit! Good luck with the book.
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
"Earthquake" <KHMcC...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bob Johnson
the spelling and grammar were all perfect?
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
"Bob Johnson" <bo...@cris.com> wrote in message
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Frank G
@fuse.net says...
:|:Most of the
:|:serious players are happy to see this expert's posts, but pretty soon some
:|:newbies start shooting him/her down. The expert takes offense, not being
:|:used to the insults being hurled at them and quits posting. I have no
:|:solution to this problem, just a bit of sadness that it seems so inevitable.
:|:
It's like a nightmare.
;^)
Too bad, really. Seems like every pro has been run out of here, but
Grady, and he doesn't have a lot to say any more. Kieth nailed it
pretty good when he said the keyboard is a wall to hide behind. I for
one am disappointed, but not surprised. Oh, and I don't hide behind
anything.
Frank Glenn
Richmond, Va.
--
frank_g_at_quick-clean.com (change _at_ to @)
RIPP
> I have recently been "introduced" to the computer. I am in the
> process of writing an autobiography, and I discovered the Google
> search engine. Although I can remember events, people, and road
> trips, I have used search engines to refresh memory of dates and to
> acquire background information. I have explored new horizons I never
> new existed with the Internet, tournament listings, travel
> opportunities, online gambling, eBay, e-mail, Mapblast for directions,
> and pool forums. The benefits are endless.
>
> The World Pool Championship has just ended, and although Earl and Alex
> didn't make it to the top, I'm proud of both of them for making it as
> far as they did in a very tough field. The TV coverage of the WPC is
> phenomenal, a lot different than ESPN pool coverage. It is fresh,
> exciting, and entertaining.
>
> Now, you would think the pool public would appreciate all of the
> above.
Lot`s of jealousy here with certain people Keith, I guess it`s along
the lines of a penis envy type of thing.
Sorry to see you go Keith, you gotta do what you gotta do I guess.
This newsgroup is the loser in this case.
George Comerford <------ we don`t all hide behind alias`s
Providence,R.I.
Mark0
You know BlackJack posts here. He's had his share of shit stirring and gave
as good as he got. Many of us (maybe most) base our opinions not on what
someone else says, but on what BlackJack (in this example) says and how he
comports himself.
Bob Jewett is probably the most prolific poster of the 'high profile' pool
people here. He's universally respected for what he says and for what he
chooses not to say.
Maybe you'll lurk for a while and rejoin us at some future date. Or not.
Good luck.
-Mark0
"Earthquake" <KHMcC...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Patrick Johnson
> ... Seems like every pro has been run out of here
What pros have ever hung around here besides Grady? Keith sounds like he could
handle himself here if he could only learn to ignore the fools, but why should
he bother? Even though he seems like one of the more literate pool pros who
might be able to handle himself here, what's in it for him? What do we have to
say to him that he'd find valuable? I don't blame him or any pro for staying
away -- there's nothing but downside for them and probably not much of interest
here for them on the best days.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
djd...@highstream.net
big money wins, great shots. just as much as the next person but I doubt
that he is as literate as Grady or Bob Burns, and as for him remembering how
he did or didn't do things I am afraid, that there would be a lot of
fabrication, I doubt he can tell where he was living at any specific time in
his life, junk I.E.drugs and alcohol have a tendency to aid in memory loss.
I am completely amazed at how such a great player could do so many bad
things to himself. I personally doubt that Keith ever even visited this
site.
Don
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Frank G
patrick.john...@comcast.com says...
:|:What pros have ever hung around here besides Grady?
:|:
Jeanette Lee & Robin Dotson come to mind. Robert Byrne, although not
a Pro pool player, doesn't seem to post any more. I'm sure there are
lurkers that don't post because of the crap some people throw out.
Some people on here just want to argue. They don't care what the
issue is, they just want to go off, or have someone else go off.
Patrick Johnson
> Jeanette Lee & Robin Dotson come to mind.
I don't recall either of them posting more than once or twice, and neither was
treated badly by anybody to my recollection.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
sam
gender thing. We SEEM to treat the ladies a little better than the men.
Just a thought. :o) Sincerely, Sam
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.john...@comcast.com> wrote in message
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Bob Johnson
of respect! The women on the other hand generally are more concerned about
how they present themselves and promoting the sport. The American men have
pretty much destroyed the game.
Of course, there are a few exceptions, such as Tommy Kennedy, Ginky, Tony
Robles, and for the most part, Nick Varner, but they don't post here anyway.
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
"sam" <s...@lasercom.net> wrote in message
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bruin70
forum that draws many people with many opinions. this is how it is.
it's rather unrealistic to think life on a message board would be any
other way. people will like you people will hate you.
you can do great, and there will be those whi will still find
something to criticize. the great ucla coach, john wooden, lost in a
championship game in '74 to north carolina state. he came back to win
the championship in '75, his final year of coaching. 10 championships
in 12 years. as he was leaving the arena floor, a FAN came up to him
and said, "well, at least you didn't blow it like last year."
so,,,, what are you complaining about again?
Jim Wyant
I hope you're still reading these posts and I'll try to say this as
respectfully as possible.
Top pool players are some of the most non-Public-Relations centric people on
the planet. Getting even a reasonable interview out of them is like pulling
hen's teeth. They have a hard life. But so did the women pros. The women
learned....they banded together....they hired a PR firm....they learned to
dress, to speak, to interview, to become a vehicle for a sponsor. The men
continue to be separate, embattled, self-centered.
We know every top pool player has hundreds of great stories. Grady wrote a
book of his (probably the worst literary effort every actually published,
but still an interesting read). But perhaps the time to give back to the
sport is not when your career is waning, but when it is at its peak. The
men need learn that if they are going to make their living based on
railbirds and up-and-comers, you're going to living a very tough life.
Learn to work together, actively promote the sport (not just show up for
tournaments), and begin passing on what you know while you're still on top
of your game.
How many "pros" bother to drop in on "league night" and spend an hour or two
promoting themselves and the game with a group of 20-50 people that actually
spend money on the sport? Why not call a local APA, BCA, POOL, VNEA, etc.
League Operator and offer to drop by on an occasional league night to
provide a short clinic, talk to local players or participate as a presenter
for league trophies, etc.. I know I'd pay a local notable an 'honorarium'
to stop in some night on a league I run.
Hopefully you get the point. It's not all about you. We realize you need
to make a living, too. We can't always do it on your terms....and that
seems to be a big problem with men's pool --- if your hand isn't in my
pocket you feel you need to go find another pocket.
--Jim
On 7/26/03 10:44 AM, in article
ee62bb24.03072...@posting.google.com, "Earthquake"
Frank G
patrick.john...@comcast.com says...
:|:I don't recall either of them posting more than once or twice, and neither was
You are contradicting yourself here, Pat. Either you recall or you
don't. You can't have it both ways. Lee was not accepted as actually
being herself. She posted tow or three times and was outright called
an impersonator. I emailed her on her web page about it and it was
her. Robin posted for a while under her husbands name (Roy). Butt
finally decided we were a harsh lot and just quit. These incidents
happened several years ago. Byrne was given a hard time, as were
several of the better known cue makers. Some (like TW) gave as good
as they got, but for the most part, public figures have not been
treated very well here, IMO. I understand why they don't post, I just
think it's a shame. That's my opinion, YMMV.
Tony DeAngelo
wouldn't be here now. Just a guess, but I'll bet Jauques Pepin doesn't
watch as much Food TV as I do.
sam
Sincerely, Sam (Not a well known Pro, but a Pro nonetheless)
"Frank G" <nob...@quick-clean.com> wrote in message
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Patrick Johnson
> :|:I don't recall either of them posting more than once or twice, and neither was
> :|:treated badly by anybody to my recollection.
Frank:
> You are contradicting yourself here, Pat. Either you recall or you
> don't.
I think I said what I recall and what I don't recall pretty clearly and without
contradiction.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
Ninebal310
>Imagine, if you can, how disappointing it is to
>pool players age 50 and up who are excited to have someone like Keith
>posting on this board (since he has such a wealth of experience and
>knowledge) to see him quit posting as the result of insults and disrespect.
As I stated, most of us welcome his input. I am a newbie at pool, but I am
not a groupie for anybody. Anybody who comes in here with the attitude that he
is "making history", gives me the impression that he thinks we should bow down
to him. Well, I don't think so!
Lets put this in perspective. Golf pro's, pool pro's, basketball pro's and
etc. Are mostly guys that have never worked a REAL job. Penis envy? Maybe. But,
what have they contributed to society? Did they go to the local childrens
hospital and visit kids dying cancer/abuse/injuries and such? I doubt many did
that. So, what are they contributing, other than a few pointers on how to shoot
pool?
I respect ANYBODY that contributes to society in anyway, not because they
are good at playing a game. Repect is earned, not demanded.
>When it comes to pool, pool tournaments, and gambling on pool,
>the opinion of someone new to the game is not worth nearly as much as the
>opinion of a veteran of decades of tournaments and matches.
I totally agree.
>Anyone who has looked in on pool discussion boards for a few months or more
>has seen this happen before. Some knowledgeable person, known to all who
>have been around the game for many years, starts posting. Most of the >serious
players are happy to see this expert's posts, but pretty soon some
>newbies start shooting him/her down. The expert takes offense, not being
>used to the insults being hurled at them and quits posting. I have no
>solution to this problem, just a bit of sadness that it seems so inevitable.
Anything that is not a fact, is just an theory/opinion. Any theory/opinion
can be debated. If someone, pro's or newbies, voices an opinion, they better be
ready to defend it and take the heat. Just because a person is a pro, doesn't
make him right all the time. As a matter of fact, the top pro in any sport will
fall in the standings due to the fact other players will do something a little
different that may be a little better, therefore, discounting the once top
pro's theory, or taking the top pro's theory and improving on it. Thats the
reason I would listen to the pro's, respect their opinion, and try to
improve/modify it to MY way of thinking.
It would all be so much easier if it wasn't done with smoke and mirrors.
:-)
Hustlin' Hank
lfigueroa
discussed here several times before. Here's what I posted on the subject
two years ago (and by the way, I remain totally unconvinced this is the real
Keith McCready -- regardless of what Jim and Fred have said.)
####
My 2 cents
I guess I've heard this rap about RSB and the pros before and, IMO, it's
bull.
The pros don't come here because:
-- They already do what we aspire to do: play great pool. They already do
it and have little to get out of this forum.
-- Because we're fellow aspiring pool wonders, we are a peer group that has
something in common. We are not the pro's peer group -- the pro's peer
group is other pros.
-- Though there are some very well educated folks amongst the pros, a lot
of these guys ain't exactly Harvard MBAs. To put it bluntly, I'm not sure
some of these guys could write their way out of a paper bag. This is a
verbal medium and let's face it, (besides JR :-) most of those of us who
choose to participate in RSB, can turn a decent phrase.
-- Generally speaking, you need some basics, like a permanent address for
an ISP, and some disposable income to own a computer. Some pros don't even
have a drivers license, credit cards, or a bank account. Some, I swear,
haven't changed clothes in year.
-- A lot of pros could give a rat's ass about helping us. The one pro that
does deign to occasionally visit, does so strictly to further his own
interests. He posts his ads and come-ons and then is gone like the wind.
-- And finally, there IS the issue of attitude. Yes, there's a definite
attitude here. But there's also an attitude on the other side that, in the
past, has seemed to boil down to: I'm a pro (or author) and what I say are
pearls before the swine -- don't disagree with me cause I know more than
you.
When I first joined RSB, my posts were ignored. I got blistering and/or
snide responses. The same jackoffs that flame everyone -- just for the
sake of doing it -- did it back then too. But you hang in there. You
learn the tribal customs and observe them; you get to know the players and
give experience, knowledge, past contributions and accomplishments credit.
And, you make a contribution. Like any other group that you want to be a
part of (are you listening Hal?), YOU PAY YOUR DUES.
The last thing I need or want in here is Jeanette Lee telling me how
wonderful she is, or Earl Strickland whining about whatever pissed him off
at the last tournament, or even Grady pushing his books, or bleating about
not getting his invite to the US Open, or his pissing contest with Hopkins,
and NEVER ONCE participating in a meaningful discussion that would actually
help someone other than himself.
I guess I like RSB just fine without the pros.
####
Lou Figueroa
"Earthquake" <KHMcC...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bill Porter
I can't disagree with your post. I understand where you're coming from. I
guess some of us older guys (I'm 61) are a little slow to really understand
the world of online discussion boards and how they operate. For instance, I
always use my real name with my posts and have never really understood why
people use screen names/aliases. BTW, I'm not convinced that it was really
Keith McCready doing the postings. His writing in some of his posts is more
literate that his oral expression in person. He (whoever he/she is) writes
better than many of my students. (I've been a college teacher for over 30
years.)
Regards,
Bill Porter
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DILLIGAFF
> Ninebal310 posts: "I am a newbie at pool, but I am
> not a groupie for anybody. Anybody who comes in here with the attitude that he
> is "making history", gives me the impression that he thinks we should bow down
> to him. Well, I don't think so!"
"Hustling Hank" is your handle? Excuse me while I wipe the
smirk off my face.
Keith's post is talking about great pool players in general,
like Earl, getting sucker-punched on forums. Did you get some
satisfaction is taking his words out of context to meet your own
needs, try to pump yourself to feel clever and witty? You had never
even heard of the man before, and yet, you think he's asking for
"groupies." The point of his post was to say how easy it is to
sucker-punch someone on these forums and hide behind the computer
name, how easy it is for a poster to spew the words out on the
Internet, no matter how false, slanderous, or assine they may be.
He discovered Google when he was acquiring background
information for a book, and then he gets slammed by posters saying his
post is an attempt to sell his book. Nothing could be further from
the truth.
He comments on the Earl-bashing, someone he has known just
about all of Earl's pool life, and he is told that others on the board
have said it better than him, so what's he trying to prove.
Google-ize Keith's name just on this forum alone and read all
of the sucker-punchers' posts, especially the most recent one. Here's
a guy trying to be cute, another sucker-puncher hiding behind his
name. I think sucker-puncher fits this scenario perfectly.
Contribute to society? Alls the man did was post a note, and
now he is being criticized for not contributing back to society, doing
philanthropic work, like who the heck does he think he, the nerve.
The mistake Keith made, for sure, was to even "speak" on a
forum like this, opening the door for sucker-punchers like you,
Hustling Hank, and others. So it looks like all of you can have a
field day on my post, too. Attack it like a dog, chew up my words in
this post, be sure to tear each sentence apart and find the worst
possible meaning and suit it to your needs. Go ahead and pump
yourselves up.
I can tell you this, he will never make the mistake again of
posting on a forum and opening himself up to get sucker-punched by a
few want-to-be scribes.
JAM
Bill Porter
Bill Porter
wanted to say, but was too timid to write down. I guess I'm just not up for
doing battle on these boards.
"DILLIGAFF" <jama...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Vader93490
>This thing about the pros posting here and getting chased off has been
>discussed here several times before. Here's what I posted on the subject
>two years ago (and by the way, I remain totally unconvinced this is the real
>Keith McCready -- regardless of what Jim and Fred have said.)
And so what if it was or wasn't the real Keith McCready? I think it would be
nice to have an extra insight by a professional player or two now and then.
But having seen what's going on in here, more than ever it's obvious that that
will never be the case in here at all.
>####
>My 2 cents
>
>I guess I've heard this rap about RSB and the pros before and, IMO, it's
>bull.
>
>The pros don't come here because:
>
>-- They already do what we aspire to do: play great pool. They already do
>it and have little to get out of this forum.
>
>-- Because we're fellow aspiring pool wonders, we are a peer group that has
>something in common. We are not the pro's peer group -- the pro's peer
>group is other pros.
Personally, considering the attitude that I've seen since I started coming in
here, I'm not surprised that more of them don't come in here.
>-- Though there are some very well educated folks amongst the pros, a lot
>of these guys ain't exactly Harvard MBAs. To put it bluntly, I'm not sure
>some of these guys could write their way out of a paper bag. This is a
>verbal medium and let's face it, (besides JR :-) most of those of us who
>choose to participate in RSB, can turn a decent phrase.
>
>-- Generally speaking, you need some basics, like a permanent address for
>an ISP, and some disposable income to own a computer. Some pros don't even
>have a drivers license, credit cards, or a bank account. Some, I swear,
>haven't changed clothes in year.
And what is the basis of your generalization of a pro's life? If the pros
don't have driver's licenses, how do they get to the bigger events? It's not
like they have limo services at their beck and call. ;)
>-- A lot of pros could give a rat's ass about helping us. The one pro that
>does deign to occasionally visit, does so strictly to further his own
>interests. He posts his ads and come-ons and then is gone like the wind.
Could it be they leave when they see the rampant idiocy that goes on in here?
Somehow I think this is more likely a reason, considering the recent flak that
Keith took upon his initial arrival.
>-- And finally, there IS the issue of attitude. Yes, there's a definite
>attitude here. But there's also an attitude on the other side that, in the
>past, has seemed to boil down to: I'm a pro (or author) and what I say are
>pearls before the swine -- don't disagree with me cause I know more than
>you.
The attitude is, if you don't decide to run in a particular clique' of
individuals in this group or subscribe to their thinking, you get blasted or
flamed.
>When I first joined RSB, my posts were ignored. I got blistering and/or
>snide responses. The same jackoffs that flame everyone -- just for the
>sake of doing it -- did it back then too. But you hang in there. You
>learn the tribal customs and observe them; you get to know the players and
>give experience, knowledge, past contributions and accomplishments credit.
>And, you make a contribution. Like any other group that you want to be a
>part of (are you listening Hal?), YOU PAY YOUR DUES.
You pay your "dues" when you don't subscribe to the general group attitude
about whatever issue is discussed.
> The last thing I need or want in here is Jeanette Lee telling me how
>wonderful she is, or Earl Strickland whining about whatever pissed him off
>at the last tournament, or even Grady pushing his books, or bleating about
>not getting his invite to the US Open, or his pissing contest with Hopkins,
>and NEVER ONCE participating in a meaningful discussion that would actually
>help someone other than himself.
Why is that Lou? Does it make you feel more like the inferior person you are
because someone has been successful at something and you haven't? It seems to
me that when someone is successful at something (pool, notably) and you aren't,
your first reaction is to try to knock them down to satisfy your own measly ego
trip.
Personally, if Keith has the intention of writing an autobiography, I think
it'd be a pretty interesting book.
>I guess I like RSB just fine without the pros.
>####
>
>Lou Figueroa
And I think RSB could become a truly great newsgroup if more pros decided to
visit and offer their opinions.
DILLIGAFF
> It would all be so much easier if it wasn't done with smoke and mirrors.
> :-)
>
> Hustlin' Hank
Where's the smoke and mirrors? What are you talking about here? Just
some more ramblings from an ignoramus. I'll just bet, Hustling Hank,
you got one of those pool cases with wheels that holds your 8 cue
sticks, you know, the two break cues, the jump cue, and the other cues
you added to your menagerie to improve your game, and after you slip
on your glove and tie the apron around your waist (or should I use the
word "waste" here?) -- did I do it right, Hustling Hank, like
Blackjack? -- you can boast to the others what a strong "3" you are on
your league. Words of wisdom coming from Hustling Hank, the guy who
appreciates Blackjack's posts. Ask Blackjack who Keith is, before you
slam him again, or me since I am opening myself up to your pathetic
(not prophetic) attempts to spread your august and seasoned words
wisdom -- oh, that's right, your opinion. We all have opinions here,
and we should all take heed and listen to the opinion of a nit like
you.
JAM
Frank G
These headers sure look similar (the internet is not necessarily as
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From: KHMcC...@aol.com (Earthquake)
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Subject: Pool Players Getting Sucker-Punched
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DILLIGAFF
> I guess I like RSB just fine without the pros.
Yes, we know why you like the RSB just fine without the pros because
then you are able to post your embellishments, like the one that is
archived of your experience at the Derby City Classic and running into
Keith with the hooker that you really didn't want to take to your room
as you were entering the elevator and how Keith rescued you from this
excruciating experience. Have a nice day, pal!
JAM
DILLIGAFF
> "...that there would be a lot of fabrication, I doubt he can tell where he was living at any specific time in his life, junk I.E.drugs and alcohol have a tendency to aid in memory loss. >
Goodness gracious, this Keith character probably has premature
Alzheimer's. I wonder how he makes it to the tournaments. I mean, how
in the world could he still be shooting pool? Fabricate some more, my
friend. Your glass house is getting ready to have a brick thrown at
it.
JAM
DILLIGAFF
> You know BlackJack posts here...Many of us (maybe most) base our opinions not > on what someone else says, but on what BlackJack (in this example) says and
> how he comports himself.
What is "The Impossible Dream" that is in Blackjack's book? Does anyone know?
JAM
DILLIGAFF
> How many "pros" bother to drop in on "league night" and spend an hour or two
> promoting themselves and the game with a group of 20-50 people that actually
> spend money on the sport? Why not call a local APA, BCA, POOL, VNEA, etc.
> League Operator and offer to drop by on an occasional league night to
> provide a short clinic, talk to local players or participate as a presenter
> for league trophies, etc.. I know I'd pay a local notable an 'honorarium'
> to stop in some night on a league I run.
>
> Hopefully you get the point. It's not all about you."
Do you live in a cave? Keith always goes out of his way at EVERY
EVENT HE PLAYS IN to hang out with the spectators, joke around with
the pool fans, signs autographs for anybody, only to see them for sale
up on eBay later. As a matter of fact -- and THIS IS FACT -- he
always takes a little time to spend with younger pool players, telling
them to stay in school, mind their parents and appreciate them, keep
on practicing.
Ask Mike Sigel for an autograph and see what you get.
JAM
Ninebal310
>Ninebal,
>
>I can't disagree with your post. I understand where you're coming from. I
>guess some of us older guys (I'm 61) are a little slow to really understand
>the world of online discussion boards and how they operate.
> For instance, I
>always use my real name with my posts and have never really understood why
>people use screen names/aliases.
>BTW, I'm not convinced that it was really
>Keith McCready doing the postings. His writing in some of his posts is more
>literate that his oral expression in person. He (whoever he/she is) writes
>better than many of my students.
>(I've been a college teacher for over 30
>years.)
>
>Regards,
>Bill Porter
>
Hi Bill,
You hit the nail on the nail on the head by calling this a "discussion
board". I feel we are here to discuss topics. The reason for discussion is to
bounce ideas off each other. If it were all about facts, there wouldn't be a
need to discuss it.
People use aliases on most mass media types. The reason is because there
are some violent people out there that may hunt you down and harm/kill you or
your family for who knows what reason. If you stick around long enough, you'll
learn real names, ages, weights, marital status, where the live and other
pieces of tidbits you really don't want to know about. :-). It's just a
precaution for my family, not that I am hiding from anybody. My email address
is correct if someone wants to contact me.
Keith McCready or not, it doesn't matter. I don't believe much that is
posted ANYWHERE on the internet. Again, too much smoke and mirrors.
Congratulations on being a teacher for 30 years. That is one job I couldn't
do. Also, there are many smart people on this NG, many have degrees of some
sorts. But, that really don't mean anything either.
In MY opinion (as a high school drop-out), you either have common sense or
you don't, it can't be taught.
The nice thing about this forum is the fact that illiterates, like myself,
can have as much say as the "college boys".
Pool is just a game. <~~~~keeping on topic.
Hustlin' Hank
Ninebal310
I got knocked off-line as I was reading your previous post to me. So,
forgive me if I mistook anything you said.
Anyway, if you read my previous post on this matter, you will see I never
slandered anybody. I welcome everyones comments, even yours, I just don't agree
with all of them.
Please go back and re-read my posts about some guy named Keith McCready to
Bill. If you read it with a different attitude, you may find that YOU took it
out of context.
Hustlin' Hank
Ninebal310
>Where's the smoke and mirrors? What are you talking about here? Just
>some more ramblings from an ignoramus. I'll just bet, Hustling Hank,
>you got one of those pool cases with wheels that holds your 8 cue
>sticks, you know, the two break cues, the jump cue, and the other cues
>you added to your menagerie to improve your game, and after you slip
>on your glove and tie the apron around your waist (or should I use the
>word "waste" here?) -- did I do it right, Hustling Hank, like
>Blackjack? -- you can boast to the others what a strong "3" you are on
>your league. Words of wisdom coming from Hustling Hank, the guy who
>appreciates Blackjack's posts. Ask Blackjack who Keith is, before you
>slam him again, or me since I am opening myself up to your pathetic
>(not prophetic) attempts to spread your august and seasoned words
>wisdom -- oh, that's right, your opinion. We all have opinions here,
>and we should all take heed and listen to the opinion of a nit like
>you.
>
>JAM
>
>
ROFLMAO.........yep, you got me figured out. Are you psychic?
If you are serious, you better find another hobby.
Hustlin' Hank
Lou
I don't know what to say. I'm just sitting here with a feeling of disgust
that adults do stuff like this. I guess I give people too much credit.
Makes me wonder how much more nonsense I've wasted my time reading.
Jim Wyant
part on your 4th Grade Equivalency Test?
I SAID "How many pros....", not an attack on your boyhood idol.
Of course some Pros are going to hang around with the masses. Other than
sleeping, eating and getting buzzed (which I hear Keith was pretty good at),
what else to do they have to do while waiting for some action at an event?
What they do between events is a better measure of the man.
When was the last time a Pro went to a Tournament Director and said "I see a
lot of kids here today. Can you carve out some time away from the main
action where I could put on a 1-2 hour clinic or exhibition for the kids?"
Of course he's going to tell kids to stay in school, mind their parents,
etc.. Sheesh, he knows what a hard life he's had. I don't think any
quasi-rational human being would say otherwise.
Keep in mind that pool is older than baseball, football and basketball -
combined. It is one of the largest 'participant' sports in the world. Yet
the money for Pros is abysmally low. The reputation is such tat when you
tell your non-pool playing acquaintances you play pool, is their first
reaction that you are a shark or a hustler?
Can you imagine what field of the men's events would look like if they
announced there would be mandatory drug testing prior to the event? Or what
if there was a tournament rule that no participants could gamble within a 30
mile radius of the event? What if they required every player in top 32 (of
winnings for the year) to participate in a ProAm event prior to the
tournament?
You really need to put things into perspective. Keith's pool reputation is
solid.....and I don't think anybody attacked that.
--Jim
On 7/27/03 1:30 PM, in article
d4350f46.0307...@posting.google.com, "DILLIGAFF"
Ninebal310
>Ask Mike Sigel for an autograph and see what you get.
>
>JAM
>
Sounds like you already did that and got turned down. I have only asked Corey
Deuel for an autograph, and that wasn't for me. The person who wanted it was to
shy to ask.
I would never ask anybody for their autograph, because I am not in any fan
club or groupie sects. But, since you want to be part of my fan club, I'll send
you an autograph. Only because I am a nice guy.
Please send your name and address to the email address above. I would give
you mine, but I think you might be a stalker.
Hustlin' Hank
Bob Johnson
Caras. It remains a proud possession. I really can't think of anyone
else's I'd want!
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
"Ninebal310" <nineb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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lfigueroa
hey, I hear Darth Vader is a super cool kick ass villain. Maybe one of the
bestest of all time...
oh, I guess you already knew that :-)
Lou Figueroa
"Vader93490" <vader...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20030727115605...@mb-m25.aol.com...
lfigueroa
In any case:
1. That incident happened just the way I wrote about it.
2. I usually write those trip reports in specific response to people asking
for them because, I like to believe, they enjoy reading them. When that
ceases to be the case, I'll stop writing them.
And believe it or don't, some folks even have some of my posts on their web
sites, many have emailed me or requested here a "reprint" of a particular
post that they liked, but can't find. And then there are those anonymous
fans -- such as yourself -- researching the Google archives.
But I suspect you've never had the experience of writing something people
would find useful for anything but toilet paper or fish wrap... so I
understand why
you feel the way you do.
Have a nice day.
Lou Figueroa
"DILLIGAFF" <jama...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Patrick Johnson
> The attitude is, if you don't decide to run in a particular clique' of
> individuals in this group or subscribe to their thinking, you get blasted or
> flamed.
>
> about whatever issue is discussed.
If you've found a "clique" here or a "general group attitude", you're reading a
different newsgroup than I am. Believing these things about "the group" is
easier than admitting you have a problem with your own attitude.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
RIPP
> discussed here several times before. Here's what I posted on the subject
> two years ago (and by the way, I remain totally unconvinced this is the real
> Keith McCready -- regardless of what Jim and Fred have said.)
>
> ####
> My 2 cents
Well Lou it really is KM. He has actually become a pretty prolific
poster at CCB. Looks like he was looking to find some other forums to
post and was greeted with some of the usual BS that new posters (and
old ones for that matter) are forced to deal with here. It also
appears to have chased him away(too bad his skin wasn`t a little
thicker) which IMO is RSB`s loss.
I`ve been reading his posts over at CCB and to be honest they are a
refreshing change from the dribble I`ve read from a lot of the other
pro`s who have dared to step foot into these forums. He`s been pretty
candid about his experiences (both good and bad) and has attemtped to
offer advice to those asking for it. I`ve also enjoyed some of the
little stories he has shared of some of his pool memories.
Don`t get me wrong, I don`t think he deserves any special treatment
just because he`s a pro. I do think it would be nice however to at
least give some of these guys a chance and see what they have to
offer. If they start spamming a new book or video or try to promote a
website then hell I say treat them accordingly but some of what we
have here is just plain old jealousy. I`ve thrown in a portion of just
one of his posts from CCB (I don`t think he`ll mind) to give you an
idea of what we won`t be reading here. This was in response to a
question about Luther "Wimpy" Lassiter:
"Me and Buddy have discussed who were top players, too, and Buddy sort
of has the same feelings as I do, or more, about Luther Lassiter."
"I'll tell you a cute little story. When Joe Balsis was playing Wimpy,
they were playing straight pool, racing to 150, and Joe had him 149
and then missed the break shot. They had to wake up Wimpy out of the
chair because he was asleep, and he got up and ran 150 and out. It was
one of the best exhibitions I've ever seen, being woke up out of a
chair, dead asleep, and running 150 and out!"
IMO these are the kinds of things I`d like to see more of the pro`s
posting.
George Comerford <----Thinks Keith should try to develope a tougher
skin
Providence,R.I.
The rest of this I would say it right on the mark.
nathfl...@centurytel.net
ArkieNat
nathfl...@centurytel.net
Particularly, as previously noted, on-line where the cowardly can hide behind
their monitors.
Nat
Bob Johnson
consider Keith McCready to be a "big guy." Nothing I said was taking a
pot-shot at anyone, or attempting to stifle anyone else's opinion! I also
don't hide behind the monitor, and have actually posted my address and phone
number online to the last person accusing me of hiding! I'll be more than
happy to send it to you! I'm also listed in the Denver phone book, along
with about 800 other Robert or Bob Johnsons. To help you out, I'm the one
on E. 111th Drive. I'm not sure what was so offensive about anything I
said, but I'm getting personal emails concerning this now!
<nathfl...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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Donald Tees
> And I think RSB could become a truly great newsgroup if more pros decided
to
> visit and offer their opinions.
But they can, and likely do, all the time. What they cannot do is expect to
have what they say treated with great reverence on an automatic basis. The
can say "I'm Joe" and get the same discussion as anybody else, or they can
ask to have their name acknowledged as authoritarian and unquestioanable,
and take the flack for it.
Donald
Lou
news:a2e56105.03072...@posting.google.com...
> Well Lou it really is KM.
So why did Earthquake's and Dilligaff's posts have the same headers? Did I
miss something?
RI Pool Player
>anonymous as most suspect:
Things aren`t always what they seem Frank.
George
DILLIGAFF
Frank G. posts:
"These headers sure look similar (the internet is not necessarily as
anonymous as most suspect:..."
Let me save you the trouble, Baby Cakes. You see, this IS an account
with multiple handles: one for Keith and one for me.
Congratulations, Mr. Rocket Scienist. This billiards forum has a
computer (k)NITter in attendance.
Keith can handle himself on the pool table just fine, but he has
limited experience in dealing with computer-sniping sucker-punchers.
No need to pull any more strings, my friend. We live in the same
camp, use the same equipment, and when I saw the incoming verbal
missiles landing around my comrade, I immediately projected my
"opinion," that little sacred word that keeps popping up in every
single post around here, utilizing whatever means I could think of to
stand up for, and defend, someone who shouldn't have entered this
forum in the first place.
JAM (Reciting the Serenity Prayer)
Bob Johnson
allowed?
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
"DILLIGAFF" <jama...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jim Wyant
Perhaps he ought to clean his own house first. Go tell your friend what
you've been doing on his behalf.....unless of course this is simply another
handle for Keith, which is actually good because it means you're starting to
learn your way around.
--Jim
On 7/27/03 6:52 PM, in article
d4350f46.03072...@posting.google.com, "DILLIGAFF"
nathfl...@centurytel.net
Nat
Bob Johnson
why don't the two of you team up, go back and read everything I've posted
here, and tell me exactly what I said that was so offensive. You expressed
your "opinion" like everyone else. If you don't expect comments, then maybe
you shouldn't express your "opinion" in a DISCUSSION FORUM, regardless of
the topic! Find an "opinion with no reply" forum somewhere! You don't want
me responding to you, but it's OK for you to start this shit by stating what
you thought of what I said! Makes sense to me!
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
"DILLIGAFF" <jama...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Lou
news:Xns93C5A1EE7FBCAdu...@140.99.99.130...
> "Lou" <lcac...@gol.com> wrote:
>
> > So why did Earthquake's and Dilligaff's posts have the same headers?
Did I
> > miss something?
> >
>
are
> both the SAME person. Read dill's posts and you will be sure of it.
I understand that, but my question is simply "Why?" It could've been two
people with access to the same PC (just addressing possibilities), but I
agree that they sound similar. Whatever.
Vader93490
>have what they say treated with great reverence on an automatic basis. The
>can say "I'm Joe" and get the same discussion as anybody else, or they can
>ask to have their name acknowledged as authoritarian and unquestioanable,
>and take the flack for it.
>
>Donald
Perhaps. Perhaps not. In any case, a pro's opinion, be it pool or some other
sport or occupation, would certainly be worth more consideration and merit than
some nobody off the street.
RSB would undoubtedly be a much better group forum if more professional players
that are computer savvy did contribute their opinions, ideas, stories, etc. on
a regular basis instead of the useless stuff that gets posted here now.
As it is now in RSB, I don't blame other professional players for not making
contributions. The thing with Keith is a prime example of this and I'm sure
there have been many other instances as well in the past that have occurred
here that I'm unaware of.
DILLIGAFF
> This thing about the pros posting here and getting chased off has been
> discussed here several times before. Here's what I posted on the subject
> two years ago (and by the way, I remain totally unconvinced this is the real
> Keith McCready -- regardless of what Jim and Fred have said.)
>
And I remain totally convinced that you post embellishments, making
sucker punches, for reasons unknown to Keith, myself, and anybody else
who reads your posts about pool players.
JAM
sam
cueball behind the 8 on the long rail (same side as the bank pocket) near
the opposite end of the table. Its called Keith McCready's "The Impossible
Dream". :o) Sincerely, Sam (The bookworm)
"DILLIGAFF" <jama...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark0" <markmc...@arterchay.etnay> wrote in message
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> > You know BlackJack posts here...Many of us (maybe most) base our
opinions not > on what someone else says, but on what BlackJack (in this
example) says and
> > how he comports himself.
>
> What is "The Impossible Dream" that is in Blackjack's book? Does anyone
know?
>
> JAM
Blackjack David Sapolis
tossed into it, but I must say that discussion groups are for
discussions, sometimes you'll read things you won't like. I choose
not to participate in arguments in this forum or any other (but I have
taken my lumps in the past 6 or 7 years that I have been here - and I
deserved most of them). Many "pros" possibly come off as arrogant and
pompous (I'm sure I am included in that description) and many take
offense to that. From me, it is not intentional, and I understand the
written word can be interpreted incorrectly at times. Over the past
few years I have been trying to pass along knowledge to those who can
use it, and I have kept a majority of my opinions to myself when I can
help it.
The "Impossible Dream" is a "version" of the safety Grady Seasons
plays on Vincent in he memorable scene from The Color Of Money. It is
included in Lesson In 9 Ball as a tribute to a great player. In 4
books I have never done that before, so that says a lot about
Earthqauke, whom I consider a friend, and legend in the game of pool.
I believe it says a lot about the atmosphere when someone new to the
board notices the fair amount of negativity that seems to be floating
around. Of course it takes a while to figure out who is who and what
they mean when they say things, but most of the people I have met here
are good intentioned folks, from all walks of life, that have the
common bond of their love for the game of pocket billiards, or "no
pocket" billiards. Whatever the case, discussion groups are not for
everyone. I believe that this group has historically been harsh on
pros and instructors, but no more harsh than anything I have seen in
other non-pool related discussion groups. Today I read more than I
post, and nobody is knocking down my door to post articles here, which
means that this place WILL survive without my input, and it will
survive without the input of anyone else that chooses not to
participate here.
"Mark0" <markmc...@arterchay.etnay> wrote in message news:<vi5ip6p...@corp.supernews.com>...
> Don't let the door hit you then.
>
> You know BlackJack posts here. He's had his share of shit stirring and gave
> as good as he got. Many of us (maybe most) base our opinions not on what
> someone else says, but on what BlackJack (in this example) says and how he
> comports himself.
>
> Bob Jewett is probably the most prolific poster of the 'high profile' pool
> people here. He's universally respected for what he says and for what he
> chooses not to say.
>
> Maybe you'll lurk for a while and rejoin us at some future date. Or not.
>
> Good luck.
>
> -Mark0
sam
so I ask yours and everyone elses indulgence while I put in my two cents.
What I hear you and Keith (and many other Pros, Mfg's, Distribs,
Instructors, etc) saying is that you are NOT looking for adoration, a room
full of bowed down subjects, or any other type of ridiculous hero worship,
but simply some common courtesy that one would extend to any person who
specializes in a given field of endeavor. I have followed this thread from
the beginning and still feel that it is sad that people will not allow a
recognized figure to espouse their views, or impart interesting information
without some ego magnified individual IMMEDIATELY jumping down the throat of
the poster. I sincerely wish people would give the poster an opportunity to
expound and clarify any statements that might not sit well with an
individual before LAMBASTING them to the point that they no longer wish to
contribute. Especially since I believe that YOU and many others who have
stopped by have much more to contribute than I or 80% of the other regulars
on this NG. This is a personal opinion and not meant to offend any
INDIVIDUAL. It is a general statement that I think applies to many, and
should be considered an ATMOSPHERE that permeates THIS and many other NG's.
:o) Sincerely, Sam (Hey BJ, I got the Impossible Dream question correct.
What do I win. LOL)
"Blackjack David Sapolis" <black...@elp.rr.com> wrote in message
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Play4aBuck
Frank G wrote in message ...
>
>
>
> These headers sure look similar (the internet is not necessarily as
>anonymous as most suspect:
>
>
Yes, I noticed that too, even on a few other threads.
One day I took note of the header and the IP Address info for several
suspected posts. I found several alias's posting from the same connection.
We have a big troll here that likes attention.
I doubt he knows how to fudge the head info yet. But it's easy to see
through his alias by the words that he types.
Cheers,
Jim
sam
knowledgeable one. It is my OPINION that this is either Keith McCready or
someone typing for Keith. Just my opinion. I've been wrong before. LOL
:o) Sincerely, Sam
"Play4aBuck" <Play4...@NoSpamYahoo.com> wrote in message
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DILLIGAFF
> Since I seem to be the one that's put the burr in your and Keith's britches,
> why don't the two of you team up, go back and read everything I've posted
> here, and tell me exactly what I said that was so offensive. You expressed
> your "opinion" like everyone else. If you don't expect comments, then maybe
> you shouldn't express your "opinion" in a DISCUSSION FORUM, regardless of
> the topic! Find an "opinion with no reply" forum somewhere! You don't want
> me responding to you, but it's OK for you to start this shit by stating what
> you thought of what I said! Makes sense to me!
>
Shame lies in indifference, shame lies in inaction, but there is no
shame whatsoever in facing a sucker-puncher openly and welcoming
assistance and support from others.
Bob Johnson
know what it was. Quite frankly, I saw some comments from others that I
personally thought were completely out of line and uncalled for, and those
don't seem to bother either of you?
BTW, I don't sucker punch, and I don't hide! In fact, I'm deeply offended
at your implications!
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
"DILLIGAFF" <jama...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bob Johnson
hide, I don't sucker punch, and I really don't know what I said here that
you find so objectionable.
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
"DILLIGAFF" <jama...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Lou
Would you be the person who's writing or cowriting Keith's book? Were any
of the posts under the name Earthquake written by you? Would this sudden
Internet presence be about generating interest in the book?
Ninebal310
> Especially since I believe that YOU and many others who have
>stopped by have much more to contribute than I or 80% of the other regulars
>on this NG. This is a personal opinion and not meant to offend any
>INDIVIDUAL.
Hi Sam,
Contributing is only a part of this NG (in my opinion). Asking questions is
the another part. Sorting out the BS is another part. Reading funny stories is
another part. Telling stories is another part. Pissing with Trolls is another
part.......get it?
People come here and read, post or both for their individual
benefit/enjoyment. It may be to promote a product, to kill a little time, to
improve their writing skills, to learn, to teach and etc. The bottom line is:
We are here for our benefit only, not anybody elses. We play pool for the same
reason.
If someone, no matter who it is, isn't getting the benefit/enjoyment he/she
is looking for, they will not stick around. Plain and simple!
Hustlin' Hank
RIPP
> U'h....where is CCB?
> Nat
http://www.billiardsdigest.com/ccboard/ubbthreads.php?Cat=
Frank G
ripool...@aol.com says...
:|:Things aren`t always what they seem Frank.
:|:
:|:
I'm not sure what you mean, George. The headers were the same, maybe
the poster is different, maybe not. BTW, I don't consider that a
"sucker-punch" since the header is there for all to see. I like
Kieth. I like Kieth's friend if it's who I think it is. I don't think
all this vitriolic nonsense is required. Less talk and more action,
rack um.
--
frank_g_at_quick-clean.com (change _at_ to @)
Ninebal310
>I believe that this group has historically been harsh on
>pros and instructors, but no more harsh than anything I have seen in
>other non-pool related discussion groups.
You may be right, but I don't think it matters if you are a pro,
instructor, writer, or anybody else. If something is working for one
individual, that doesn't mean it will work for someone else. So, if I am having
a problem with heavy cue balls on bar tables, ANYBODY that can interject a
solution is more than welcome. I may try their suggestion, or I may try
anothers suggestion. Just because they are an instructor/pro, don't make them
right ALL the time. That is what this board is about. Just don't take it
personally.
Alot of players on here think 8 ball is a kids game. Ok, but I like 8
ball. I play alot of 8 ball. I don't play much 9 ball. It is just an opinion
that really means little. Different strokes for different folks.
Speaking of strokes.....my stroke is........naw, nevermind.:-)
Hustlin' Hank
RIPP
Has anyone here met Keith in person lately? Has anyone met his
girlfriend? Does anyone here`s wife or girlfriend post here ever? Is
anyone getting the picture yet?
lfigueroa
really Keith.
I have a pretty good pool library and the story about Wimpy has been written
about elsewhere -- there's nothing Keith specific about it. Other than
some stories on another board, what has you so convinced it's Keith?
Lou Figueroa
totally unconvinced
"RIPP" <RIPool...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "lfigueroa" <lfig...@att.net> wrote in message
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> > This thing about the pros posting here and getting chased off has been
> > discussed here several times before. Here's what I posted on the
subject
> > two years ago (and by the way, I remain totally unconvinced this is the
real
> > Keith McCready -- regardless of what Jim and Fred have said.)
> >
> > ####
> > My 2 cents
>
> Well Lou it really is KM. He has actually become a pretty prolific
> poster at CCB. Looks like he was looking to find some other forums to
> post and was greeted with some of the usual BS that new posters (and
> old ones for that matter) are forced to deal with here. It also
> appears to have chased him away(too bad his skin wasn`t a little
> thicker) which IMO is RSB`s loss.
> I`ve been reading his posts over at CCB and to be honest they are a
> refreshing change from the dribble I`ve read from a lot of the other
> pro`s who have dared to step foot into these forums. He`s been pretty
> candid about his experiences (both good and bad) and has attemtped to
> offer advice to those asking for it. I`ve also enjoyed some of the
> little stories he has shared of some of his pool memories.
> Don`t get me wrong, I don`t think he deserves any special treatment
> just because he`s a pro. I do think it would be nice however to at
> least give some of these guys a chance and see what they have to
> offer. If they start spamming a new book or video or try to promote a
> website then hell I say treat them accordingly but some of what we
> have here is just plain old jealousy. I`ve thrown in a portion of just
> one of his posts from CCB (I don`t think he`ll mind) to give you an
> idea of what we won`t be reading here. This was in response to a
> question about Luther "Wimpy" Lassiter:
>
> "Me and Buddy have discussed who were top players, too, and Buddy sort
> of has the same feelings as I do, or more, about Luther Lassiter."
>
> "I'll tell you a cute little story. When Joe Balsis was playing Wimpy,
> they were playing straight pool, racing to 150, and Joe had him 149
> and then missed the break shot. They had to wake up Wimpy out of the
> chair because he was asleep, and he got up and ran 150 and out. It was
> one of the best exhibitions I've ever seen, being woke up out of a
> chair, dead asleep, and running 150 and out!"
>
> IMO these are the kinds of things I`d like to see more of the pro`s
> posting.
>
>
> George Comerford <----Thinks Keith should try to develope a tougher
> skin
> Providence,R.I.
>
>
> The rest of this I would say it right on the mark.
>
> >
> > I guess I've heard this rap about RSB and the pros before and, IMO, it's
> > bull.
> >
> > The pros don't come here because:
> >
> > -- They already do what we aspire to do: play great pool. They
already do
> > it and have little to get out of this forum.
> >
> > -- Because we're fellow aspiring pool wonders, we are a peer group that
has
> > something in common. We are not the pro's peer group -- the pro's
peer
> > group is other pros.
> >
> > -- Though there are some very well educated folks amongst the pros, a
lot
> > of these guys ain't exactly Harvard MBAs. To put it bluntly, I'm not
sure
> > some of these guys could write their way out of a paper bag. This is a
> > verbal medium and let's face it, (besides JR :-) most of those of us who
> > choose to participate in RSB, can turn a decent phrase.
> >
> > -- Generally speaking, you need some basics, like a permanent address
for
> > an ISP, and some disposable income to own a computer. Some pros don't
even
> > have a drivers license, credit cards, or a bank account. Some, I swear,
> > haven't changed clothes in year.
> >
> > -- A lot of pros could give a rat's ass about helping us. The one pro
that
> > does deign to occasionally visit, does so strictly to further his own
> > interests. He posts his ads and come-ons and then is gone like the
wind.
> >
> > -- And finally, there IS the issue of attitude. Yes, there's a
definite
> > attitude here. But there's also an attitude on the other side that, in
the
> > past, has seemed to boil down to: I'm a pro (or author) and what I say
are
> > pearls before the swine -- don't disagree with me cause I know more
than
> > you.
> >
> > When I first joined RSB, my posts were ignored. I got blistering and/or
> > snide responses. The same jackoffs that flame everyone -- just for
the
> > sake of doing it -- did it back then too. But you hang in there. You
> > learn the tribal customs and observe them; you get to know the players
and
> > give experience, knowledge, past contributions and accomplishments
credit.
> > And, you make a contribution. Like any other group that you want to be
a
> > part of (are you listening Hal?), YOU PAY YOUR DUES.
> >
> > The last thing I need or want in here is Jeanette Lee telling me how
> > wonderful she is, or Earl Strickland whining about whatever pissed him
off
> > at the last tournament, or even Grady pushing his books, or bleating
about
> > not getting his invite to the US Open, or his pissing contest with
Hopkins,
> > and NEVER ONCE participating in a meaningful discussion that would
actually
> > help someone other than himself.
> >
> > I guess I like RSB just fine without the pros.
> > ####
> >
> > Lou Figueroa
lfigueroa
go out of my way to be as accurate and factual as possible because:
a. That's the way I am
b. Several years in the journalism business
c. Pool is usually a very public spectacle and there is always someone else
that can verify or challenge whatever you write -- so you're better off
getting it right.
You seem to have a problem with "sucker punches" which is what I think you
yourself are guilty of. So... prove one single ittty bitty "embellishment"
I've written. Ferinstance, you seem to have your panties in a bunch about
the hooker in the purple shirt. I didn't write about everything that
happened that night, when Keith unintentionally came to my rescue --
there's a bit more to that story :-) If you think it actually didn't happen
as I wrote about it, bring it on and prove me a liar.
Lou Figueroa
has the dead nuts
"DILLIGAFF" <jama...@aol.com> wrote in message
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DILLIGAFF
> suspected posts. I found several alias's posting from the same connection.
> We have a big troll here that likes attention.
The big troll and Keith McCready use the same computer, and you can
call me "a big troll" or you can call me "DILLIGAFF" or you can call
me JAMalloy or, if you really dig down and do some research, you will
see who Malloy is.
And as far as who I am, I respectfully sign my name.
DILLIGAFF = (Do I Look Like I Give A Flying F**K?)
DILLIGAFF
> BTW, I don't sucker punch, and I don't hide! In fact, I'm deeply offended
> at your implications!
post to you, personally, and apologize for any offense taken by you.
I'm on my way to Goldsboro today and won't be posting anymore (I hear
the sighs of relief already), and KHMcCready and JAMalloy a/k/a
DILLIGAFF won't be back here either, but I could not and would not
read sucker-punching posts (not you)directed at Keith without
responding.
So, to all of the Google forum posters, thanks for the memories. Hope
Keith makes it in the winner's circle in Goldsboro. I understand the
Norfolk event this past weekend, with $4,000 added, had less than 20
participants, and this makes me think that Hooker's tourney is going
to be jam-packed with a lot of other pro players, the same ones who
will probably never know the beating they are taking by Google
sucker-punchers.
JAM (Releived this is all over with for me!)
Bvinco
>
>JAM
I got an autograph and a smile (no charge for either one).
Becky
DILLIGAFF
> Although I can remember events, people, and road
> trips, I have used search engines to refresh memory of dates and to
> acquire background information.
Just a reminder of how Keith and I were blessed to find this hellish
site.
May the pool gods seek out sucker-punchers, and as Keith always says,
"I hope when I'm gone that I come back as a cue-ball and give
everybody a bad roll."
DILLIGAFF, JAMalloy (never tried to hide it), and "a big troll" who
really doesn't like this kind of attention.
Donald Tees
news:20030727215333...@mb-m10.aol.com...
> >But they can, and likely do, all the time. What they cannot do is expect
to
> >have what they say treated with great reverence on an automatic basis.
The
> >can say "I'm Joe" and get the same discussion as anybody else, or they
can
> >ask to have their name acknowledged as authoritarian and unquestioanable,
> >and take the flack for it.
> >
> >Donald
>
> Perhaps. Perhaps not. In any case, a pro's opinion, be it pool or some
other
> sport or occupation, would certainly be worth more consideration and merit
than
> some nobody off the street.
>
That may be true, and it may not. I have heard lots of "way of in left
field" opinions from people that are experts at other things, and
writing/teaching *is* another thing.
Blackjack, for example, gets lots of respect. So do lots of people in here.
What you are asking for, though, is absolute acceptance, and automatic
respect. It is a pipe dream ... like them going up to the table and being
*given* the game, without playing, simply because they have a rep. They
want to come out ahead, they have to play first, pro or not. There are no
free rides.
Donald
> RSB would undoubtedly be a much better group forum if more professional
players
> that are computer savvy did contribute their opinions, ideas, stories,
etc. on
> a regular basis instead of the useless stuff that gets posted here now.
>
If the moon were made of green cheese, I'd have a ham sandwich. Besides,
even if these dozens of good writers/computer literates that are pool
professionals did exist, there are dozens of places where they can express
themselves. There are books, magazine columns, tape commentaries, etc.,
where they can say all they want, and nobody will criticize a word.
What you are asking is that we get rid of the disscussion, and turn the NG
into a fan club. I really do not think it would make it better.
> As it is now in RSB, I don't blame other professional players for not
making
> contributions. The thing with Keith is a prime example of this and I'm
sure
> there have been many other instances as well in the past that have
occurred
> here that I'm unaware of.
Blame? Neither do I. People should post here because they enjoy the nature
of the forum. If they are here because they are generously donating their
time to the plebs of the world as a charity, then they are in the wrong
place. They should write a book.
Donald.
Patrick Johnson
(And, yeah, you do look like you GIFF...)
Pat Johnson
Chicago
Patrick Johnson
> has the dead nuts
Sorry to hear that. I think the memory's next to go.
(If I recall correctly...)
Pat Johnson
Chicago
Gregory
Bob Johnson
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
"Lou" <lcac...@gol.com> wrote in message news:bg2o7i$lli$1...@nnrp.gol.com...
Bob Johnson
purchasing his book when it's ready. If he pens an honest account of his
life in the game, it should prove to be an entertaining and fun read.
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
"DILLIGAFF" <jama...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bob Johnson
girlfriend, Jennie Malloy. I'm sure she will be helping him pen his
autobiography, which would make sense, as she may be able to write most of
it without his help. I hope they do write it. We're due for another
entertaining pool story. I hope they write it honestly.
Whether they choose to post here, lurk, or ignore the existence of RSB/ASP
really doesn't matter much. Personally, I've gained much more from being
here than I could ever contribute, and I think that's probably true of most
of us.
Speaking of good pool reads, I hope Bob Byrne is working on a Hustler type
novel. He may be the only author out there that could pull it off right.
If I were a pro player, with a colorful life behind me, he'd be my first
choice to help me put it on paper!
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
"lfigueroa" <lfig...@att.net> wrote in message
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> This thing about the pros posting here and getting chased off has been
> discussed here several times before. Here's what I posted on the subject
> two years ago (and by the way, I remain totally unconvinced this is the
real
> Keith McCready -- regardless of what Jim and Fred have said.)
>
> ####
> My 2 cents
>
Bob Johnson
Actually, there've been times many of us would agree with that assessment,
and maybe even be proud of it! As the old saying goes, if you can't stand
the heat, get......
well, you know the rest.
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
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Lou
Until that got sorted out, it looked like some weird trolling was going on.
I just wanted to know what was happening and how much credibility any of
this had. Apologies if I offended anyone.
"Bob Johnson" <bo...@cris.com> wrote in message
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Vader93490
>news:20030727215333...@mb-m10.aol.com...
>> >But they can, and likely do, all the time. What they cannot do is expect
>to
>> >have what they say treated with great reverence on an automatic basis.
>The
>> >can say "I'm Joe" and get the same discussion as anybody else, or they
>can
>> >ask to have their name acknowledged as authoritarian and unquestioanable,
>> >and take the flack for it.
>> >
>> >Donald
>>
>> Perhaps. Perhaps not. In any case, a pro's opinion, be it pool or some
>other
>> sport or occupation, would certainly be worth more consideration and merit
>than
>> some nobody off the street.
>>
>
>That may be true, and it may not. I have heard lots of "way of in left
>field" opinions from people that are experts at other things, and
>writing/teaching *is* another thing.
As it's been noted numerous times, you can go up to 10 different pool pros and
ask for advice on how to execute certain things in a game of pool and you'll
get 10 different answers. Every player has a style of play, be it fast, loose,
slow, etc.
>Blackjack, for example, gets lots of respect. So do lots of people in here.
>What you are asking for, though, is absolute acceptance, and automatic
>respect. It is a pipe dream ... like them going up to the table and being
>*given* the game, without playing, simply because they have a rep. They
>want to come out ahead, they have to play first, pro or not. There are no
>free rides.
I wouldn't call it "absolute" acceptance, but that's neither here nor there. I
just happen to think a person who's been around the block more than once ala a
"professional" at whatever they do deserves a little more respect than the
average bear when they express an opinion on a subject they're inherently
familiar with. "Professionals" must be doing something right, else they
wouldn't be as well known as they are in their particular occupations.
>Donald
>
>> RSB would undoubtedly be a much better group forum if more professional
>players
>> that are computer savvy did contribute their opinions, ideas, stories,
>etc. on
>> a regular basis instead of the useless stuff that gets posted here now.
>>
>
>If the moon were made of green cheese, I'd have a ham sandwich. Besides,
>even if these dozens of good writers/computer literates that are pool
>professionals did exist, there are dozens of places where they can express
>themselves. There are books, magazine columns, tape commentaries, etc.,
>where they can say all they want, and nobody will criticize a word.
>
>What you are asking is that we get rid of the disscussion, and turn the NG
>into a fan club. I really do not think it would make it better.
No, I'm not asking to get rid of the discussion at all. I just happen to think
the discussion would be enriched if more professionals commented on various
issues related to this game itself, minus all the BS that's been so prevalent
in here as of late.
>> As it is now in RSB, I don't blame other professional players for not
>making
>> contributions. The thing with Keith is a prime example of this and I'm
>sure
>> there have been many other instances as well in the past that have
>occurred
>> here that I'm unaware of.
>
>Blame? Neither do I. People should post here because they enjoy the nature
>of the forum. If they are here because they are generously donating their
>time to the plebs of the world as a charity, then they are in the wrong
>place. They should write a book.
>
>Donald.
That has become very obvious as of late and it's truly a sad thing.
Alex Kanapilly
> process of writing an autobiography,
I'll buy it, I hope you talk about the action mostly.
Anyone know if Grady's book is still for sale?
Alex
Lou
"Lou" <lcac...@gol.com> wrote in message news:bg3huj$sk9$1...@nnrp.gol.com...
>...it looked like some weird trolling was going on.
As opposed to perfectly normal, well-adjusted trolling :)
Lou
news:4b61dd1f.03072...@posting.google.com...
> >I am in the
> > process of writing an autobiography,
>
> I'll buy it, I hope you talk about the action mostly.
You know Keith's autobiography will fly off the shelf.
> Anyone know if Grady's book is still for sale?
Try this: http://www.poolbilliards.com/bethigh.htm
Earthquake
> George, I don't read CCB, so please, if you would, make the case that it's
> really Keith.
>
> I have a pretty good pool library and the story about Wimpy has been written
> about elsewhere -- there's nothing Keith specific about it. Other than
> some stories on another board, what has you so convinced it's Keith?
>
> Lou Figueroa
> totally unconvinced
>
was there. Matter of fact, they were playing at the Elks Lodge in Los
Angeles, probably was in the early '70s. I believe Irving Crane won
the pool tournament that year.
I don't even know why I am answering this. I didn't know this
Internet was so mean. I'm glad I don't have to wake up to gurus like
you. I thought that this was supposed to be sort of a fun thing on
this Internet, but I have come to realize there is a lot of shallow
people on this thing, and some good. So maybe we can keep it to good
and leave the bad out.
Have a nice day, whoever you are.
Keith "Earthquake" McCready
Frank G
RIPool...@aol.com says...
:|:Has anyone here met Keith in person lately? Has anyone met his
:|:girlfriend?
:|:
Yes to both, but they probably don't remember me. (US Open last year,
I was sitting next to Randi Mathews)
Bob Johnson
Jennie lurk for awhile, get used to the different personalities, get a feel
for the exchanges, and you'll figure out what's bullshit, and what's not.
Don't let some shallow idiot's comments chase you off. You have something
to offer us, and we might even have something useful to offer you.
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
bo...@cris.com
"Earthquake" <KHMcC...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Frank G
says...
:|:Oops, I think this is how this got started!
:|:
Could be. I should of just asked if it was Jennie. The problem with
newsgroups is you never know if the person is who they say they are
and then someone starts arguing with themselves just for fun...
Anyway, I think this has about run its course. For the record, I
think it was Kieth and then Jennie. I've talked to her a couple of
times and she is very nice, but protective of Kieth, maybe with good
cause. I doubt she will remember me, or believe I meant no harm to
either of them. I just wanted to see if it was someone trying to post
as two people, or two people using the same computer. I found out
what I wanted to know (and then some, eh, baby cakes?) So long, and
thanks for all the fish.
Frank
-jeff
> "sittingduck" <good...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns93C5A1EE7FBCAdu...@140.99.99.130...
> > "Lou" <lcac...@gol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > So why did Earthquake's and Dilligaff's posts have the same headers?
> Did I
> > > miss something?
> > >
> >
> are
> > both the SAME person. Read dill's posts and you will be sure of it.
>
> I understand that, but my question is simply "Why?" It could've been two
> people with access to the same PC (just addressing possibilities), but I
> agree that they sound similar. Whatever.
Not that this has anything to do with anything, but it doesn't even
have to be from the same PC. It could be a small network of PC's
behind a firewall which translates all the internal IP addresses to a
single external IP (Network Address Translation). If the
router/firewall is pulling the same information from the same provider
(Comcast, PacBell, whoever) the posting headers could be completely
identical with posts written by different people.
Don't know why I felt compared to share that....
Snoozy
> So why did Earthquake's and Dilligaff's posts have the same headers? Did I
> miss something?
They are using the same computer because 'Dilligaff' or JAMalloy is
Keith's girlfriend Jennie. A simple search on Google using the search
string 'jama...@aol.com ' will give you Jennie's info. She has her
own transcription company, so I'm guessing maybe she is helping Keith
with his book.
Another search for Keith McCready on Google gave me this article Phil
Capelle wrote on Keith which gives Jennie credit for turning Keith's
life around.
http://www.billiardspress.com/Pronews.cfm
This is an article I enjoyed reading and recommend.
I don't think it's surprising that she would defend Keith. I imagine
she's gotten tired of reading craperoo about her boyfriend. Some of
which she knows is not true. But Keith has a colorful background
though so she's going to keep hearing stories about him. I don't
think that's going to end.
Snoozy
darcy walker
sno...@chocolatarian.com (Snoozy) wrote:
' so I'm guessing maybe she is helping Keith
> with his book.
haven't been in this group for a while....is keith writing an
autobiography? sure hope so.....
lfigueroa
Lou Figueroa
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