AE Schmidt vs. Brunswick?...also opinions on shimming
Chiefs Fan
spend as little as possible, but still get a very good quality table. We
have found two tables on sale that we like, in our price range
($2,000-$3,000) at two different retailers. The first is an AE Schmidt
(Cardinal model), and the other is a Brunswick (Brookstone model). Both
places have good reputations locally and have been around for a long time.
The one thing that is causing us to lean toward the slightly more expensive
one (Brunswick) is the way the installers would level the table. The AE
Schmidt would be shimmed under the legs, while the Brunswick would be
shimmed just under the slate. We are under the uneducated impression that
shimming under the slate would be better than at the floor, under the legs.
Can anyone give opinions on which is the better manufacturer/table, as well
as opinions on the preferred method of shimming a table?
Thanks in advance.
Deadstrok9
>From: "Chiefs Fan" chi...@kcnet.com
>Date: 8/5/00 9:52 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <Ye4j5.16221$D11....@newsfeed.slurp.net>
Consider the fact that Pool Tables are built to go together level. It's the
floor that isn't always level. If the table is shimmed under the slate, then
that table will only be level in the exact spot it is installed. When I
install a pool table, I will always try to level under the leg when possible,
and only under the slate when necessary.
Jim Halladay
Bob Johnson
legs and under the slate, unless the floor surface is close to perfect.
When I watched mine installed on a carpeted basement floor, my impression
was that under the feet was to get the framing as close as possible, and
under the slate was to take the surface the rest of the way to perfect.
Another suggestion would be to drop the Chiefs completely, and cheer for the
Broncos! I think you would find life in general would appear much more
level! ;>)
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
Home of the 1997/1998 World Champion Broncos!
bo...@cris.com
"Chiefs Fan" <chi...@kcnet.com> wrote in message
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> We are preparing to purchase a new pool table for our home. We want to
> spend as little as possible, but still get a very good quality table. We
> have found two tables on sale that we like, in our price range
> ($2,000-$3,000) at two different retailers. The first is an AE Schmidt
> (Cardinal model), and the other is a Brunswick (Brookstone model). Both
> places have good reputations locally and have been around for a long time.
>
> The one thing that is causing us to lean toward the slightly more
expensive
> one (Brunswick) is the way the installers would level the table. The AE
> Schmidt would be shimmed under the legs, while the Brunswick would be
> shimmed just under the slate. We are under the uneducated impression
that
> shimming under the slate would be better than at the floor, under the
legs.
>
> Can anyone give opinions on which is the better manufacturer/table, as
well
> as opinions on the preferred method of shimming a table?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
donald tees
a table, so you might want to take the following with a grain of salt.
However. I would *much* prefer a table levelled by shimming under the
leg. The slate is a machine bed, and the table is designed to support
that slate all the way around. Using shims between the slate and the
support bed would completely defeat that. In effect, the slate is then
supported at the point of contact with the shim only. By shimming each
leg, variances in the floor are removed, and the table still functions as
a fully integrated support for the slate ...
Chiefs Fan wrote in message ...
John McChesney
the very best pool table in my 30+ years in the business.
A belgium company makes the Gabriels...steel framed, exotic
wood top and 1 1/4" matched slates ( that need no seaming putty, etc. ).
Artemis rubber rails...and around $3,100.00. 1480 pounds of heft.
If I open another room, it will most definately have these tables..
John McChesney
Texas Express
National Nine Ball Tour
PO Box 700814
Dallas Tx 75370
Voice 214 495 tour (8687)
j...@texasexpress.com
http://www.texasexpress.com
Bob Johnson wrote in message <8mk7dv$d...@dispatch.concentric.net>...
>Depending on your application, shimming will probably occur both under the
>legs and under the slate, unless the floor surface is close to perfect.
>When I watched mine installed on a carpeted basement floor, my impression
>was that under the feet was to get the framing as close as possible, and
>under the slate was to take the surface the rest of the way to perfect.
>
>Another suggestion would be to drop the Chiefs completely, and cheer for
the
>Broncos! I think you would find life in general would appear much more
>level! ;>)
>--
>Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
>Home of the 1997/1998 World Champion Broncos!
>bo...@cris.com
>"Chiefs Fan" <chi...@kcnet.com> wrote in message
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Bob Johnson
trailer underneath. I believe that $3100 was cost each for a dozen tables
in one shipping container. By the time they are shipped from port, and set
up, I would think it could be substantially higher. I would think those
tables could retail for $6500 to $7500 set up. One of the most beautiful
tables I've seen also! Kind of makes a Gold Crown 4 look tacky!
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
Home of the 1997/1998 World Champion Broncos!
bo...@cris.com
"John McChesney" <j...@texasexpress.com> wrote in message
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Chiefs Fan
advice and opinions, except of course, the comments below regarding our
beloved (2000 Superbowl Champs) KC Chiefs! Don't think I'd ever take advice
from a Donkeys fan....even now that Horseface is gone!! ;-)
Seriously, thanks to you all...even you Bob!!
Kim & Al
Die-Hard KC Chiefs Fans!
"Bob Johnson" <bo...@cris.com> wrote in message
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tom simpson
wrote:
::John, I agree! Very impressive tables. Damn things look like a flat bed
::trailer underneath. I believe that $3100 was cost each for a dozen tables
::in one shipping container. By the time they are shipped from port, and set
::up, I would think it could be substantially higher. I would think those
::tables could retail for $6500 to $7500 set up. One of the most beautiful
::tables I've seen also! Kind of makes a Gold Crown 4 look tacky!
Got a URL for these thangs?
tom simpson <--- bottom poster
Paula Gomolka
wrote on 8/6/00 7:36 PM:
> One of the most beautiful
> tables I've seen also! Kind of makes a Gold Crown 4 look tacky!
Aw, come on now! If you look up "tacky" in the dictionary, right next to the
picture of Slick Willie is a picture of a GC4, they both define the term!
Bob Johnson
Gabriels Leisure N.V.
Lieven Gefaertstraat 10, Kapellen, Belgium 2950
00/32/3/6053126, Fax 00/32/3/6053125
Thierry Gabriels, Pres.
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Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
Home of the 1997/1998 World Champion Broncos!
bo...@cris.com
"tom simpson" <tsim...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On 06 Aug 2000 23:36:51 GMT, "Bob Johnson" <bo...@cris.com>
> wrote:
>
> ::John, I agree! Very impressive tables. Damn things look like a flat
bed
> ::trailer underneath. I believe that $3100 was cost each for a dozen
tables
> ::in one shipping container. By the time they are shipped from port, and
set
> ::up, I would think it could be substantially higher. I would think those
> ::tables could retail for $6500 to $7500 set up. One of the most
beautiful
> ::tables I've seen also! Kind of makes a Gold Crown 4 look tacky!
>
Bob Johnson
BTW, he's not really gone, he's just changed his focus to golf and obnoxious
car commercials!
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
Home of the 1997/1998 World Champion Broncos!
bo...@cris.com
"Chiefs Fan" <chi...@kcnet.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you all for your input...it's really helped. We appreciate all the
> advice and opinions, except of course, the comments below regarding our
> beloved (2000 Superbowl Champs) KC Chiefs! Don't think I'd ever take
advice
> from a Donkeys fan....even now that Horseface is gone!! ;-)
>
> Seriously, thanks to you all...even you Bob!!
>
> Kim & Al
> Die-Hard KC Chiefs Fans!
>
> "Bob Johnson" <bo...@cris.com> wrote in message
> news:8mk7dv$d...@dispatch.concentric.net...
> > Depending on your application, shimming will probably occur both under
the
> > legs and under the slate, unless the floor surface is close to perfect.
> > When I watched mine installed on a carpeted basement floor, my
impression
> > was that under the feet was to get the framing as close as possible, and
> > under the slate was to take the surface the rest of the way to perfect.
> >
> >>> Another suggestion would be to drop the Chiefs completely, and cheer
for
> the
> >>> Broncos! I think you would find life in general would appear much
more
> >>> level! ;>)
> > --
> > Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
> > Home of the 1997/1998 World Champion Broncos!
> > bo...@cris.com
MarkO
the three pieces into one plane. Then that plane (the slate attached to
your frame) will need to be leveled by shimming under the feet. If a
salesman told you that crap (instead of your divining it from his
information) buy from the other guy.
Mark0
billhowes
Hi Bob, The only thing that I have from the brochure is an E-mail address
of gabrie...@online.be but no URL. -Bill
COMPGUN38
the legs then shimed under the slate. My opinion would be to go with the
Schmidt table. I prefer the "Scout" Model but If I went with the Cardinal I
would get the Oak model , A little extra than the poplar but I think will hold
a better finish. What I like most about the Schmidt tables is that they are pre
assembled at the factory here in St. Louis then taken apart and shipped so
every piece is matched to that particular table. These are heirloom quality
tables.
Good Luck
Marty
Jeffrey Weiss
::John, I agree! Very impressive tables. Damn things look like a flat bed
::trailer underneath. I believe that $3100 was cost each for a dozen tables
::in one shipping container. By the time they are shipped from port, and set
::up, I would think it could be substantially higher. I would think those
::tables could retail for $6500 to $7500 set up. One of the most beautiful
::tables I've seen also! Kind of makes a Gold Crown 4 look tacky!
> Got a URL for these thangs?
Hmmmm, how 'bout http://www.poolbiljart.nl/ ?
I don't grok Dutch, but I did the following and got to some interesting
pictures:
1. Go to the above site.
2. Click "Ons Bedrijf" on the left side.
3. Scroll down to the part that sez:
"Klik hier voor foto's van ons bedrijf en onze showrooms"
...and klik thier!
4. The fifth picture down in the showroom seems to be a sweet-looking Gabriels
table.
5. Don't forget that you can "Klik op de foto voor een vergroting." The table
looks even sweeter in vergroting.
Also, at the home page, the "Pool Modellen" link seems to show a bunch of
models including some Gabriels, Kim Steels, and others.
--
jw (Not Dutch)
