Palmer Cue
Ed Aleks
name of the cue's original buyer (not me). The cue is in great shape.
Everything is true, 20 oz., it plays great, the butt is maple with four
points, and the wood has that patina of age look you only see on wood that's
been cared for and not used too much"window" .
I know this sounds like a sales pitch,but it's not. I just wondered if there
are any Palmer fans out there, and if anyone has an idea what the cue is
worth.
Ed Aleks
Bradicall
Bradical
Deadstrok9
Phat Mack
Elizabeth's) who made cues in a little shop with a pool table in it.
Before he would make a cue, you had to go to the shop and play for him
so that he could look at your game to custom fit the cue.
Was this Palmer? I know Palmers were eventually mass produced, but
weren't the originals custom made?
Tim Hurson
Phat Mack wrote in message <3743005D...@bigfoot.com>...
>Decades ago there was a man in New Jersey (I think it was in the
>Elizabeth's) who made cues in a little shop with a pool table in it.
>Before he would make a cue, you had to go to the shop and play for him
>so that he could look at your game to custom fit the cue.
>
>Was this Palmer? I know Palmers were eventually mass produced, but
>weren't the originals custom made?
No, it was Gepetto who previously was a toy maker and got the idea for cues from
one of his earlier creations, Pinocchio!
Tim
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"Tim Hurson" <thu...@home.com> wrote:
>
> Phat Mack wrote in message <3743005D...@bigfoot.com>...
> >Decades ago there was a man in New Jersey (I think it was in the
> >Elizabeth's) who made cues in a little shop with a pool table in it.
> >Before he would make a cue, you had to go to the shop and play for
him
> >so that he could look at your game to custom fit the cue.
> >
> >Was this Palmer? I know Palmers were eventually mass produced, but
> >weren't the originals custom made?
>
> No, it was Gepetto who previously was a toy maker and got the idea
for cues from
> one of his earlier creations, Pinocchio!
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Bill Howes
Phat Mack <Phat...@bigfoot.com> wrote
> Decades ago there was a man in New Jersey (I think it was in the
> Elizabeth's) who made cues in a little shop with a pool table in it.
> Before he would make a cue, you had to go to the shop and play for him
> so that he could look at your game to custom fit the cue.
>
> Was this Palmer? I know Palmers were eventually mass produced, but
> weren't the originals custom made?
It was either Palmer (Gene Balner, a.k.a. Gene Palmer) or Frank Paradise,
who had a shop across the street. He didn't require you to come to the shop
and play for him however. The shop was in Elizabeth, N.J.
-Bill
Tom Bellhouse
Ed,
That's about a year younger than mine. Look at the points -- they're
probably outlined in multiple veneers, just like a Brunswick Titelist
butt. Same source.
Fantastic cues. Mine *may* be for sale, I go back and forth on it,
since I started shooting with my Shermcue. In good shape, the
Palmer's probably worth around $1200.
Enjoy!
Tom Bellhouse
Alig8orMan
>I have a 33 year old "windowed" Palmer Cue that has Palmer's name plus the
name of the cue's original buyer (not me). The cue is in great shape.
>Everything is true, 20 oz., it plays great, the butt is maple with four
>points, and the wood has that patina of age look you only see on wood that's
>been cared for and not used too much"window" .<<
Ed,
The blue book would put this cue between a level 3 and a level 4. In the
450.00 dollar range. If this is the turned down windowed house cue, then you
need to date it. If it is a titleist butt then it would be worth a bit more.
The best way to date it is to look at the length of the butt cap. If it is very
short, 3/4" range it is very early. If it is longer (1 1/2"), it is from the
second catalog. I just sold a model F, second catalog, for about 700.00 at the
show in March. If you can get to a billiard encyclopedia, check out pages 312
and 317. The type of windowing that was done will help you determine the date
and model #. If someone offers you over a grand, put on a lone rangers mask and
head straight to the bank. :) The good news is that Palmers sell pretty easily.
Joe
ps: As always cues are condition sensitive. BTW if it is real early you may
have a screw on ferrule. Paradise started this, and Balner carried it over for
a while.
AD to follow............
Sites being revamped........look later.....
Alig8orMan
>Check the Blue Book of Que values it has an extensive Palmer section.
> Bradical<<
Bradical,
You must be in Texas where everything is spelled with the Que ending. Must be
that barb-a-que eatery thing, :) Pool Que, Barb-a- que, Rubik's Queb, boy she
sure is Quete, type thing. :)
Anyways the Blue book is lacking very much in respect to Palmers. The Billiard
Encyclopedia is a much better reference.
Joe
Tom Bellhouse
Joe, Brad and Ed,
"Que up" and take a look my a Palmer at:
<http://www.cyberhighway.net/~altoid/palmer.jpg> I go back and forth
about selling this cue -- I love it, but I'm shooting better with my
Shermcue I stole from Walkup.
Joe, the prices you mentioned in your earlier post to Ed may mislead
some folks. Those are bottom prices. I know you based your estimate
on Ed's brief description, but it might be more accurate to say "from
$700 up to about three times that price" depending on model,
condition, history, etc. Take a look at Dick Abbott's list at:
<http://www.billiardcue.com/AlphaList.html> for a full range.
Joe, I'll buy all the Szamboti-forearm Palmers you have for $700 each,
and I'm especially interested in the '76 model with the red/white/blue
veneers. I'll send you my address and Doug's credit card number. ;<)
Best regards,
Tom Bellhouse
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Alig8orMan
>Joe, the prices you mentioned in your earlier post to Ed may mislead
>some folks. Those are bottom prices. I know you based your estimate
>on Ed's brief description, but it might be more accurate to say "from
>$700 up to about three times that price" depending on model,
>condition, history, etc. <<
Bottom prices?? If you say so. Your cue is a titleist butt palmer, which I
did say would bring more money. The price I quoted was right out of the blue
book, I also said they were condition sensitive. $700 and up, to who? Do I sell
Palmers for more than that? Yes, but they are not the plain janes. I quoted a
price that I would, and could, and do sell plain Palmers at. So I do not look
to
mislead, but to bring people back into reality. Look at the model I sold
in the encyclopedia, did I take too little? The cue was perfect, and hit like a
ton
and had two shafts. That is what the market bares.
>Joe, I'll buy all the Szamboti-forearm Palmers you have for $700 each,
>and I'm especially interested in the '76 model with the red/white/blue
>veneers. I'll send you my address and Doug's credit card number. ;<)<<
First things first, you have to be able to tell without a doubt a Szamboti
forearmed
Palmer. But I will keep you in mind for one as I come across one. BTW I have
seen them sell for LESS. Keywords: Model and condition.
Joe
rhncue
Dick
Ed Aleks wrote:
> I have a 33 year old "windowed" Palmer Cue that has Palmer's name plus the
> name of the cue's original buyer (not me). The cue is in great shape.
> Everything is true, 20 oz., it plays great, the butt is maple with four
> points, and the wood has that patina of age look you only see on wood that's
> been cared for and not used too much"window" .
>
Alig8orMan
name.
Joe
Tony
early Palmer with Szamboti forearm. I was told it is either a Rambow or a
Palmer - yet it doesn't have any of the classic 'plastic' rings that Palmer
did - but the forearm DOES look like a Titleist blank or a Szamboti blank or
??
Ed Aleks
nicely inlaid, one color, and all a different length, varying as much as a
half inch from the shortest to the longest. It has a name "Richard Harkey",
then in smaller caps underneath the name, it says "ORIGINAL BY PALMER". All
of the above verbage is printed on a textured silver tape under an acrylic
cover near the bottom of the butt. It looks like it was a custom cue (que)
made for a customer named Harkey. Since my posting, I've learned that Eugene
Balner owned the company until he died in 1972, then his wife and later his
son managed the business until 1994.
Ed
Ed Aleks <ed-a...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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Alig8orMan
>A little more description re. my original posting. The points on my cue
>nicely inlaid, one color, and all a different length, varying as much as a
>half inch from the shortest to the longest. It has a name "Richard Harkey",
>then in smaller caps underneath the name, it says "ORIGINAL BY PALMER". All of
the above verbage is printed on a textured silver tape under an acrylic cover
near the bottom of the butt. It looks like it was a custom cue (que) made for a
customer named Harkey. Since my posting, I've learned that Eugene Balner owned
the company until he died in 1972, then his wife and later his son managed the
business until 1994.<<
>Edz<<
Ok now the easy part. We know you have a converted house cue. I am sure if it
is ever rewrapped, under it you will find the rest of the points. This also
explains the difference in height. Now does your cue have a brass or steel
joint? Is there a white plastic ring, backed by a thin black ring, or mother of
pearl like rings sandwiched between to thin black rings at the joint area. Or
black rings with pearlescant swirls with a silver ring. Also what do the rings
look like by the acrylic window?
Joe
Ed Aleks
They're not.
Ed
Alig8orMan <alig8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Leonardx3
the Baltimore cue show when I was offered 250 dollars for the cue. Even though
his father built the cue, I was never told that it was a Zambotti built cue. I
found out later that his father built the forearm for Palmer. In my opion
Palmer built the best playing cues of that period. The poolcue buying people
have been duped into Balabushkas,Zambottis while ignoring Palmers.
Jimbo Ct
>the Baltimore cue show
You think you were insulted then ??? wait till he reads this.
JIM<-------Somthin about Leonard I like :-)
Alig8orMan
Well I think I need a little clarification. Looking through the old
brochures, first one has less than 12 cues all numbered. Second
was done with letters, the third the numbers appear on the pricing
sheet. There are exactly 20 cues there, except the 20th cue, is
the infamous rosewood with mother of pearl inlays that extend
into the shaft. This cue was sometimes done in ebony. But was not
pointed, the only forearms made by Gus Szamboti. Therefore there is
no model 20 that could be a Gus Szamboti. Period. The following
general brochure is when they started importing cues and parts. In
between they did have the Pete Margo series as well as a Ray Martin
series, etc
The other question I have is did "Zambotti" offer you 250.00? Because
he doesn't buy / or trade cues. He makes his own and repairs cues. He
is not a dealer. So I know he would not have offered to take this cue from
you at any price, unless strictly in jest. But if he doesn't know you, he
would not kid with you in that nature.
Joe
ps: Something stinks here Jimbo and it's not NJ :)
Fred Agnir
>
> The other question I have is did "Zambotti" offer you 250.00? Because
>he doesn't buy / or trade cues. He makes his own and repairs cues. He
>is not a dealer. So I know he would not have offered to take this cue from
>you at any price, unless strictly in jest. But if he doesn't know you, he
>would not kid with you in that nature.
>
> Joe
>
>ps: Something stinks here Jimbo and it's not NJ :)
>
>
Obviously, Mr. Zambotti is a "cue dealer", whilst Mr. Szamboti is a
"cuemaker". I'm so fuckin' smart.
Hope this helps ;-)
Regards,
Fred Agnir
Templeton, MA
Alig8orMan
>Obviously, Mr. Zambotti is a "cue dealer", whilst Mr. Szamboti is a
>"cuemaker". I'm so fuckin' smart.
>
>Hope this helps ;-)
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Fred Agnir
>Templeton, MA<<
Hey you coming to the party on Saturday?
Joe
Roger M. Orsulak
>
> >oha...@earthlink.net Fred writes:
>
snip
> >Fred Agnir
> >Templeton, MA<<
>
> Hey you coming to the party on Saturday?
>
> Joe
Joe: We may finally get to meet. Got my invitation in the mail.
Roger
Alig8orMan
>Joe: We may finally get to meet. Got my invitation in the mail.
>Roger
>
Looking forward to it. See you there.
Joe
usmi...@gmail.com
> I have a 33 year old "windowed" Palmer Cue that has Palmer's name plus the
> name of the cue's original buyer (not me). The cue is in great shape.
> Everything is true, 20 oz., it plays great, the butt is maple with four
> points, and the wood has that patina of age look you only see on wood that's
> been cared for and not used too much"window" .
>
> I know this sounds like a sales pitch,but it's not. I just wondered if there
> are any Palmer fans out there, and if anyone has an idea what the cue is
> worth.
>
> Ed Aleks