keith odell
Ron Shepard
videos. Here are a couple of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xm4EjErEKE
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/25/keith-odell-jr-baby-pool_n_20741
6.html
$.02 -Ron Shepard
John Black
she...@NOSPAM.comcast.net says...
Cute. I think I can take him though... :-) I wonder how easy / hard it
would be to run out on that tiny table. Talk about congestion -- but the
balls are smaller too.
Good to see the usual crowd of liberals on the huffingtonpost consistently
applying their elitism, cynicism and hatred to any story:
===
"Yep, this says a lot about the general level of redneck culture in the U.S.
Go, pool!!"
"Nothing says White Trash like pool and creed."
"His parents see dollar signs on that innocent face.
===
The kid likes to play pool and so he's a redneck, white trash and a victim
(of course) being exploited by his parents. Re-affirms why I stay away from
those sites...
John Black
Ron Shepard
John Black <jbl...@texas.net> wrote:
> In article <ron-shepard-F4EF...@news60.forteinc.com>, ron-
> she...@NOSPAM.comcast.net says...
> > Do a google search for 'keith odell' and you will get several hits with
> > videos. Here are a couple of them.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xm4EjErEKE
> >
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/25/keith-odell-jr-baby-pool_n_20741
> > 6.html
>
> Cute. I think I can take him though... :-) I wonder how easy / hard it
> would be to run out on that tiny table. Talk about congestion -- but the
> balls are smaller too.
>
> Good to see the usual crowd of liberals on the huffingtonpost consistently
> applying their elitism, cynicism and hatred to any story:
I thought those (elitism, cynicism and hatred) were the usual
conservative posters? :-)
There are also some insightful posts.
"I can hear him now saying, get me a bottle of JTS Brown stright up with
a nipple on it."
"Soon to appear in his first movie, "The Color of Crayons.""
Now really, how many people outside of this newsgroup understand those
cultural references?
And then there is this one:
"Spacial ability is a huge part of intelligence. Obviously a very smart
kid. Hope he becomes the next Einstein not the next Minnesota Fats."
There is a grain of truth there, given the state of professional pool,
but of course, given the large number of "false choices" being presented
these days on all sorts of topics, you have to remember that he could
end up being both.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Dan White
news:ron-shepard-8F35...@news60.forteinc.com...
>
> "Spacial ability is a huge part of intelligence. Obviously a very smart
> kid. Hope he becomes the next Einstein not the next Minnesota Fats."
>
> There is a grain of truth there, given the state of professional pool,
> but of course, given the large number of "false choices" being presented
> these days on all sorts of topics, you have to remember that he could
> end up being both.
>
Which one - Minnesota Einstein or Einstein Fats?
dwhite
John Black
she...@NOSPAM.comcast.net says...
> "Soon to appear in his first movie, "The Color of Crayons.""
That one is pretty good. How about The Baltimore Bottle?
John Black
Jack Stein
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xm4EjErEKE
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/25/keith-odell-jr-baby-pool_n_20741
>> 6.html
> Cute. I think I can take him though... :-) I wonder how easy / hard it
> would be to run out on that tiny table. Talk about congestion -- but the
> balls are smaller too.
Yabutt is it real Italian slate?
> Good to see the usual crowd of liberals on the huffingtonpost consistently
> applying their elitism, cynicism and hatred to any story:
> The kid likes to play pool and so he's a redneck, white trash and a victim
> (of course) being exploited by his parents. Re-affirms why I stay away from
> those sites...
Bingo! I always suspected the "powers that be" were doing everything
they could to kill pool on TV. (http://tinyurl.com/r68r7p) I always
suspect left wing, TV/Movie/journalist types as being a bit light on
their feet and anti-macho. To see them (the left) actively attacking a
toddler because he is good at pool and must be a redneck isn't doing
much to quell my suspicions on why pool is dead to TV.
I know, I know, plenty of left wingers play pool, that's not my point
though. The point is the left, that controls the media, thinks pool is
red neck, so nothing good happens on TV. ESPN does a less than half ass
job of promoting what they do show. The announcers are for the most
part lousy and boring. The camera men have no clue about the game, can't
even figure out the CB is a part of the game. They generally show the
wimmin, and pass up the men (macho bastards) despite that men are far
better and far more exciting to watch (Jennette Lee excluded). Hell,
they don't even bother to tell Core how to dress.
When all the men are sure to be watching football on TV, or the Penns
are on TV in the Stanley Cup playoffs, you can bet pool is on at the
same time. Poker, the most boring spectator sport on earth, just paid
out $1.5 million to some bum that has few skills. Don't even pretend
pool couldn't do just as well, much better in fact, than poker on TV.
So, while Ron thinks ESPN is still pissed off at something the men pro's
did 15 years ago to piss off ESPN, and a bunch of you think pool is
simply too boring for TV, I still think it has to be more than that, and
these posts certainly don't hurt my view of what is really going on here.
--
Jack
Go Penns!
http://jbstein.com
John Black
says...
> The point is the left, that controls the media, thinks pool is
> red neck, so nothing good happens on TV.
I think the bias is more in the public than in the networks. ESPN does
focus groups and market studies. They know how many eyeballs are on each
show they have -- they have to in order to know what they can charge
advertisers. If there was a large interest, it would get better coverage.
We can debate the reasons, but "watching" pool is just not as popular as
watching football, golf or poker. One way I know this is when I was in
league, almost none of the people *in pool leauge* watched pool on TV (my
informal survey). If those people aren't watching, then almost no one else
would want to either. Reminds me of the saying, "nice place to visit but I
wouldn't want to live there". Perhaps pool is fun for the average person to
play but not fun to watch because they are not really students of the game
like we are? Kind of the opposite of say football -- very few football fans
actually really *play* football.
> Hell, they don't even bother to tell Core how to dress.
That's funny.
John Black
Ron Shepard
John Black <jbl...@texas.net> wrote:
> Perhaps pool is fun for the average person to
> play but not fun to watch because they are not really students of the game
> like we are? Kind of the opposite of say football -- very few football fans
> actually really *play* football.
The same goes for other sports too. I know people who don't play tennis
at all (and barely know the rules and how to keep score) who watch it on
TV, and they even get up at 6am in the morning to watch the Wimbledon
finals.
This supposedly happens in England with snooker players. They have fans
who don't play at all but who follow the top players from tournament to
tournament and keep track of player rankings. In this case, I think
(legal) gambling drives part of it, but some of the fans are supposedly
throngs of old ladies who don't gamble and don't play. That's the kind
of following that pool needs.
Poker is a good example of what pool could have been with just a little
bit of promotion and organization among the players. Now they have
Danica Patrick bringing in the NASCAR crowd to watch poker too. They
just keep doing everything right. I think part of the key to poker's
success is that they did not dumb down the rules to try to attract
spectators, they instead educate the spectators so that they appreciate
the real game (and their hole-card cameras help too). ESPN tries to do
the opposite with pool, and it doesn't work.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Ron Shepard
"Dan White" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
I was thinking maybe Fat Albert?
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Dan White
>>
>> Which one - Minnesota Einstein or Einstein Fats?
>
> I was thinking maybe Fat Albert?
>
Touche!
Jack Stein
> In article <gvjf6h$8p8$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, jbst...@comcast.net
> says...
>> The point is the left, that controls the media, thinks pool is
>> red neck, so nothing good happens on TV.
>
> I think the bias is more in the public than in the networks. ESPN does
> focus groups and market studies. They know how many eyeballs are on each
> show they have -- they have to in order to know what they can charge
> advertisers. If there was a large interest, it would get better coverage.
This misses my point. Of course no one watches pool on TV, it is
presented so poorly even avid pool fanatics have to struggle to watch a
match w/o falling asleep.
> We can debate the reasons, but "watching" pool is just not as popular as
> watching football, golf or poker. One way I know this is when I was in
> league, almost none of the people *in pool leauge* watched pool on TV (my
> informal survey).
This is very true around here as well. Few pool players actually watch
pool on TV. They generally have watched enough to know who the major
players are... Ali Fisher, Jennette Lee, and so on, but they don't watch
it. My Monday night league watches Monday night football. Mostly
because they bet on the games with the local bookies.
> If those people aren't watching, then almost no one else
> would want to either.
Not many people would like any sport if it was presented to them as pool
is presented to them. Not saying pool is as exciting as football or
hockey, but how many people would watch football if it was shown months
after the fact, then only about half the game was shown, the receiver
was shown catching the pass, but they didn't show who through the pass,
or what happened to the passer? Then let the announcers have no clue
what is going on and sound like they are bored to tears, the camera men
have no clue what is important to show and so on. My guess is even
football would be about as popular as Sewing with Mary Jo.
Reminds me of the saying, "nice place to visit but I
> wouldn't want to live there". Perhaps pool is fun for the average person to
> play but not fun to watch because they are not really students of the game
> like we are? Kind of the opposite of say football -- very few football fans
> actually really *play* football.
Yes, this is the standard banter. I think watching Poker would be 10
times worse than watching pool, for anyone, IF it were presented as
poorly as pool.
My thing is pool is presented SO POORLY, that it can't be an accident.
No one flips a coin 2000 times and comes up all heads. The coin is
loaded, and your post re: the libs thinking pool is a "redneck" activity
seems to explain at least part of the problem, likely a large part of
the problem, and a chance the whole problem...
>> Hell, they don't even bother to tell Core how to dress.
> That's funny.
Yeah, how about the Indian concentration camps when they had the men all
wear those baggy white, thick nit, long sleeve sweaters? One, they were
ugly as hell, two, they had to be super uncomfortable for any man with a
working furnace, and three, they were deadly in a game where touching a
ball with a stray hair is a foul... This is no lie, for me to wear one
of those things I'd have to be outside in no higher than 10ￜ F, and a
strong wind, not inside playing pool under TV lights....
Jack Stein
> Poker is a good example of what pool could have been with just a little
> bit of promotion and organization among the players.
Sure, blame it on the players. I think players play a very minor role
in the organization of TV coverage. I doubt that poker players
organized the TV coverage of Poker. The ITP with the con man running
the show was well organized, had a good thing, and not ONE mention was
made on TV or the news. No one I know knew a damned thing about it. I
only knew about it because of RSB.
Still, pool needs a promoter like Kevin Trudeau to make it interesting.
I think what he did with the IPT was close to what is needed. Pool
is boring to watch, but so is poker, and golf. If the poker guys
promoted pool, and had the poker announcers announcing pool with the
same knowledge and enthusiasm, pool could work, at least as well as poker.
Certainly, no one is going to watch ESPN with the lousy presentation
they give you. Hell, I'm almost a fanatic and I can't watch it w/o
falling asleep 23 times during one broadcast.
I'm thinking Pool should be presented like the Friday night fights, like
boxing. Actually, pool doesn't need my ideas, it needs the Poker dudes
ideas. I think those boys could make paint drying interesting.
JakartaDean
> In article <MPG.24870ca32...@news.motzarella.org>,
> John Black <jbl...@texas.net> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps pool is fun for the average person to
>> play but not fun to watch because they are not really students of the game
>> like we are? Kind of the opposite of say football -- very few football fans
>> actually really *play* football.
I think there's a lot of truth in that -- it's not good, in polite
company, to suggest "practicing" pool, it should just come naturally.
>
> The same goes for other sports too. I know people who don't play tennis
> at all (and barely know the rules and how to keep score) who watch it on
> TV, and they even get up at 6am in the morning to watch the Wimbledon
> finals.
>
> This supposedly happens in England with snooker players. They have fans
> who don't play at all but who follow the top players from tournament to
> tournament and keep track of player rankings. In this case, I think
> (legal) gambling drives part of it, but some of the fans are supposedly
> throngs of old ladies who don't gamble and don't play. That's the kind
> of following that pool needs.
>
My late grandmother used to watch snooker on TV in England, into her
80s. God forbid anyone spoke while snooker was on. She followed it
fanatically, although I doubt she ever saw a snooker table in person.
> Poker is a good example of what pool could have been with just a little
> bit of promotion and organization among the players. Now they have
> Danica Patrick bringing in the NASCAR crowd to watch poker too. They
> just keep doing everything right. I think part of the key to poker's
> success is that they did not dumb down the rules to try to attract
> spectators, they instead educate the spectators so that they appreciate
> the real game (and their hole-card cameras help too). ESPN tries to do
> the opposite with pool, and it doesn't work.
>
Agree on dumbing down the rules. People aren't so stupid they need
rules dumbed down to where the game is less interesting. Hell, people
like me watch rugby, and I'll never understand all the rules. Same with
cricket, which is the second most popular sport worldwide, according to
TV viewer statistics (a lot of Indians, I would imagine).
> $.02 -Ron Shepard
Dean
Patrick Johnson
Tap tap.
pj
chgo
Fast Larry
There is always once ass hole that will shoot off his mouth and run
something like this down. This kind of prick is jealous he can’t run
3 fookin balls to save his soul and probably can’t walk and chew gum
at the same time.
Would he say the same thing if you saw a 2 year old playing a
violin?
What About Tiger Woods on the Bob Hope show at 2 making putts?
He went on to make 100 million a year.
The kid has a natural talent and he is obviously having fun. Some
will see of course bad in this, I see none, at this point. I think
it’s all quite cute and harmless, it only become evil, when the mom
pushes the little girl gymnast, the skater, or any sport where the kid
gives up a normal childhood to slave to become a star, like Willie
Hoppe did for his dad, and like schutte did to his kid, and dozens
more are doing the same thing putting kids in home schooling so they
can practice 9 ball 8 hours a day slaving like Walter Lindgrum did for
his Dad.
I grew up with a little table just like what you see, playing at 2
years old, later we got a bigger one to match my height, then a bumper
pool table. I used to sell little tables like that for little kids.
Those skills actually put me through college, and I made over a
million dollars off those tables, and today, it provides me a 6 figure
income, and it all turned out good, because I never slaved all day
long at the same game. I had other interests, a family, a home, a
garden, tennis, golf, flying planes.
It’s the poor person who spends his entire life salving in a smoke
filled pool room, like Fast Eddy in the movie, and does nothing else,
wastes his life, and turns his life into something, perverted, sick
and twisted.
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