Cue balls, and which is best
DMHenrie
What is difference and what is best ?
Red dot
Blue dot
Red circle
and whatever other dots and circles there may be (I heard of a green dot)
DMHenrie
cue balls for the league and the various locations. Most are ball tables
with bar balls .. and they want to replace the heavy ones/magnetic
ones/oversized ones with normal "best available" cue balls on league nights
(but not measles balls). They will open up the tables so cue ball will fall
through normal ball path.
Anybody have ideas to what the differences are ?
"sittingduck" <du...@spamherelots.com> wrote in message
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> The best cue ball is the one that matches the rest of the set. The size
> and
> weight should be the same.
>
> --
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Ron Shepard
"DMHenrie" <dmhe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Anybody have ideas to what the differences are ?
The red circle cue balls seem to be more highly polished than some of
the other cue balls. This means that it is easier to draw, particularly
for longer shot distances. However, as previous posters have said, you
want the ball weight to match the rest of the balls too. If the other
balls are old and worn, then they will be lighter than a new cue ball,
and then it is harder to draw the heavier cue ball and the carom angles
will be a little off with the heavier cue ball.
It is important that all the balls, including the cue ball, are clean,
polished, and have smooth surfaces. If the balls are jumped off the
table a lot onto a concrete or ceramic tile floor, then there isn't much
you can do to make them play better. Willie Mosconi used to carry his
own balls for his exhibitions and exhibition matches.
Pool rooms that rent balls should clean and polish them regularly,
perhaps even every time they are returned to the desk. Balls in coin-op
tables sometimes live their entire lives without ever seeing a ball
polisher.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
K9way
best draw ?
The ball spins backwards during shot, strikes object ball then lands and
spin s backwards. Why do you think that the most polished ball would draw
better than a ball which is clean , but has a 'rougher" surface lacking a
'sheen "?
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sittingduck <du...@spamherelots.com> wrote:
> K9way wrote:
>
> > You really want people to believe that the highest polished ball has the
> > best draw ?
>
> > The ball spins backwards during shot, strikes object ball then lands and
> > spin s backwards. Why do you think that the most polished ball would draw
> > better than a ball which is clean , but has a 'rougher" surface lacking a
> > 'sheen "?
>
> Try it and see.... I can draw MUCH farther right after polishing.
> With dirty balls, the spin disappears much faster. If they are very clean,
> they just keep on spinning, and you lose very little of it as the ball
> travels forward.
The main issue regarding draw distance is how much of the backspin
rubs off of the cue ball as it slides on the cloth before it hits
the object ball. It should be intuitively obvious how the
ball-cloth friction affects this.
The part that is perhaps not intuitive is how the ball-cloth
friction affects the draw distance after the cue ball hits the
object ball. It turns out that ball-cloth friction does not affect
the final rolling speed of the cue ball (for a given amount of spin
on the ball at the moment after the collision). It does affect how
long the ball slides on the cloth to achieve that speed (a slicker
ball takes longer, and slides a longer distance during that time),
but it is the same speed regardless. Then once natural roll is
achieved, the rolling distance is not affected by the sliding
friction, it depends on the so-called table speed (which depends
mostly on the cloth). So if you compare a dirty sticky cue ball to
a newly cleaned slick ball, there should be a small difference in
the draw distance because of the sliding distance (for a given
amount of spin at the moment after the collision with the object
ball), but it is mostly determined by the table speed, which is the
same in both cases.
So the largest difference that a player will see is due to how much
spin rubs off of the cue ball before it hits the object ball, with a
smaller difference due to the after-collision sliding distance.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Walcott
rainbow dot
DMHenrie
"DMHenrie" <dmhe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Steve B
> Thanks everyone .. I guess for nothing
>
Any time.
A cueball is like a golf ball. Yes, there are different ones, and you have
absolutely cheap to overpriced. In the middle are the rest. Any good
golfer can take a used range ball and play against you with your Callaway
balls and Big Bertha, and all he's got is a 3 wood, 3,6,9 iron and putter,
and he'll empty your wallet.
Apparently you didn't read the responses, because I learned a lot from them.
Mainly, pick a cue ball that's the same size and weight as your object ball.
After that, it's talent and skill.
Steve
Steve B
> Thanks everyone .. I guess for nothing
No cue ball can make a bad player into a good one. And if they did, I
wouldn't buy it.
Steve
Carter Adams
Now, these are just my thoughts. Any new CB is going to play MUCH
better than MOST bar-box CBs. I think, the red-circle and the
"measles" CBs have almost identical specs. I believe that most of the
"dot" CBs are meant to be replacement CBs for the higher-end sets of
brands and levels of balls, as their CBs tend to wear out much faster
than the OBs. Also, I don't believe anyone mentioned the no-dot ball
which is the generic replacement CB. And, there's the green-A (it's
the stylized Aramith logo) CB that is a high-end magnetic (maybe heavy
too?) CB.
In summary, any new CB (even the no-dot) will probably play better
than the CBs found in most bar-boxes. The red-circle is probably the
most well-known (other than the "measles") CB and will probably be
more favored on its face-value. The "best" solution would be to
replace the whole set with a medium to premium set of well-know balls
for you league games. The next best, though impractical, would be to
weigh all of the balls in each set, replace the worn-out ones and
replace the CB with whichever-dot weighs closest to the average of the
set. The most practical, is to just buy new CBs of any-dot ...
~Carter
On Dec 9, 5:24 pm, "Steve B" <deserttra...@dishmail.net> wrote:
> "DMHenrie" <dmhen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Ron Shepard
<a360e93d-3808-48b4...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Carter Adams <poolp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The most practical, is to just buy new CBs of any-dot ...
And, as I mentioned previously, clean and polish the remaining object
balls in the set. You will almost certainly be surprised at how much
difference just cleaning the balls will make.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Steve B
"Fast Larry" <fast...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:79617e92-5ed7-4f83...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...> "DMHenrie" <dmhen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Excuse me, that is typical RSB bull shit bad advice, pick a cb same
weight as yo ob, pick a blue circle centinneal, that does that, and
its the biggest piece of shit known to man, has the same polish as the
object balls. Dude, if this is all you know, go shoot yo ass. And
stop posting, go take up checkers.
Reply: You qualify for my one strike and yer out rule. Good bye. You said
in another post you were out of here, and yet still keep posting. What's up
with that?
Steve
pltrgyst
>Excuse me, that is typical RSB bull shit bad advice, pick a cb same
>weight as yo ob, pick a blue circle centinneal, that does that, and
>its the biggest piece of shit known to man, has the same polish as the
>object balls. Dude, if this is all you know, go shoot yo ass....
Ah, first new ID in a while. Good opportunity to exercise the old middle finger
...
{plonk}
-- Larry
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Maker sure it's FL you're plonking, and not "Steve B." He has, so far been
a decent contributor, and is DEFINITELY NOT FL. The format of his reply to
FL was a little misleading and may have implied to you that he was FL -- he
is NOT!
Merry Christmas to ALL!
Mike Collier
Oak Harbor, WA
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>
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>
> No cue ball can make a bad player into a good one. And if they did, I
> wouldn't buy it.
>
Oh, yeah! -- just like the $40 jump cue so that bar-banging amateurs can now
make shots that most pros previously could not make ... ;>].
Mike Collier <--- "There IS no such thing as a safety"!
Oak Harbor, WA
Jack Stein
> "Fast Larry" <fast...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Reply: You qualify for my one strike and yer out rule. Good bye.
Bummer! He's up to several thousand strikes.... Where have you been?
--
Jack
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Jack Stein
> "Steve B" wrote:
>> No cue ball can make a bad player into a good one. And if they did, I
>> wouldn't buy it.
> Oh, yeah! -- just like the $40 jump cue so that bar-banging amateurs can now
> make shots that most pros previously could not make ... ;>].
In a way, a cue ball can make a bad player into a good one, or more
accurately, a good player into a bad one. Put a good player on a table
with a bar ball and he suddenly can't draw, can't control follow, and
generally loses a ton of control over the CB he worked years to learn to
control. A main advantage to a bar banger playing with a shitty CB is
it doesn't effect his game much, but surely effects the good players
game. It's an automatic handicap. Change to a good CB and soon the good
player is good again.
--
Jack
Got Change: Global Warming ======> Global Fraud!
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Steve B
That was fast eddie, not me.
Steve B
"sittingduck" <du...@spamherelots.com> wrote in message
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> Mail Man wrote:
>
>> Maker sure it's FL you're plonking, and not "Steve B." He has, so far
>> been
>> a decent contributor, and is DEFINITELY NOT FL.
>
Noted, and I will do better. I'm new, so how about a list of the resident
trolls?
Steve
Steve B
"Jack Stein" <jbst...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Steve B wrote:
>> "Fast Larry" <fast...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> Reply: You qualify for my one strike and yer out rule. Good bye.
>
> Bummer! He's up to several thousand strikes.... Where have you been?
>
> --
> Jack
Sorry, just got released. Been away for a while. ;-)
Steve