....billiard elbow??.....golfers elbow??....HELP.....I can't play anymore!!!
Tarek David
nothing short of helping your game while you give the other a rest
Terry David
Houston TX
bad elbow wrote in message <3643C6...@this.news.group.only>...
>Anybody else out there who's had an elbow problem??? I think I have
>overdone it.... I play a lot (sometimes for as many as 5 hours
>straight when I'm winning) and now my right elbow AND forearm are
>SOOOO sore it hurts even to shake hands with people. I went to the
>doctor and he called it lateral epichondritis
>or something to that effect.....basically golfer's elbow.... AM I
>FINISHED or will this EVER get better??? ANY ADVICE appreciated.
>
>THANKS
>
>(respond only to this ng)
bad elbow
Bubba Bubba
Get a real hobby.
On 7 Nov 1998 04:00:39 GMT, bad elbow <resp...@this.news.group.only>
wrote:
Frank
pressure on the tendon in your forearm and some people get relief from
this. Ask the druggist about it.
Frank
bad elbow wrote in message <3643C6...@this.news.group.only>...
Deno J. Andrews
>
> Anybody else out there who's had an elbow problem??? I think I have
> overdone it.... I play a lot (sometimes for as many as 5 hours
> straight when I'm winning) and now my right elbow AND forearm are
> SOOOO sore it hurts even to shake hands with people. I went to the
> doctor and he called it lateral epichondritis
> or something to that effect.....basically golfer's elbow.... AM I
> FINISHED or will this EVER get better??? ANY ADVICE appreciated.
many billiard players including myself have suffered from this. I think
it stems from a stroke which is too tight...a few years back, I
developed (the best stroke in the whole world...lol :) ) a more open,
smooth stroke that lets the cue do all the work instead of my arm. I
think this will help. It is not easy to learn stroking like this, but
just remember to only let the cue do the work, don't force through the
ball, that's what puts all the pressure on the elbow. There are only
certain shots which require a forcefull arm.
Deno
Jtiche
about a year and I attribute it to trying to kill the balls on the break, as
much arm power as I can generate, throw my body into it, etc. I've come to the
conclusion it doesn't help anyway, I read an article in an issue of the
American Cueist a couple months back about breaking and the technique seems to
result in better breaks with less impact on the elbow.
Ken Bour
league. He skill level is negative. We use BCA rules, so we alternate
breaks. She is diminutive in stature and clearly a beginner. Her
boyfriend, one of our best players, taught her to break using follow, a
smooth easy stroke, and just hit that first ball squarely. The race went
all the way to 12-2 and, every time it was her turn to break, she made a
ball and scattered the rack beautifully. I could hardly believe my eyes.
Meanwhile, I'm trying to smash the balls, throwing my body into the break,
using all kinds of macho energy and, more often than not, I make nothing but
a lot of noise.
Maybe it's time to ease off the throttle and save those elbows.
--
Ken Bour
Sterling, VA
http://www.erols.com/kbour
Jtiche wrote in message <19981107091408...@ng22.aol.com>...
Deno J. Andrews
>
> Gee, I thought I was the only one that ever had this problem. I've had it for
> about a year and I attribute it to trying to kill the balls on the break, as
> much arm power as I can generate, throw my body into it, etc. I've come to the
> conclusion it doesn't help anyway, I read an article in an issue of the
> American Cueist a couple months back about breaking and the technique seems to
> result in better breaks with less impact on the elbow.
Well power has little to do with breaking balls. Cue speed is the main
thing you should be going for. And if the cue is moving fast enough,
you need not power it with your arm...try getting the cue to move fast,
but before the point of impact, simply relax your arm and you will see
the action in the balls increase...it is surprising, but I think you
will see what I am talking about. It should feel like your arm is
empty...sounds strange...but just try it and see.
Deno
greg miller
>
>
> bad elbow wrote:
>
>> Anybody else out there who's had an elbow problem?
>
>
i get it too. it's time to quit the open break games and take up one
pocket and straight pool.
greyegg
=^.^=
>Anybody else out there who's had an elbow problem??? I think I have
>overdone it.... I play a lot (sometimes for as many as 5 hours
>straight when I'm winning) and now my right elbow AND forearm are
>SOOOO sore it hurts even to shake hands with people. I went to the
>doctor and he called it lateral epichondritis
>or something to that effect.....basically golfer's elbow.... AM I
>FINISHED or will this EVER get better??? ANY ADVICE appreciated.
Tennis elbow. I suffered through this for several months about a year
ago. I developed it about 4-5 months after buying a pool table, so I
was playing far more often then I was used to. I bought a tennis elbow
band at the drug store and wore it as often as possible. As my muscles
got used to the new movements of holding and stroking a cue, the pain
went away and has never come back. Wear the band just below your
elbow, over the meaty part of your forearm.
Bev =^.^= clou...@NOSPAMprimenet.com
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I don't play pool, but have the same problem - play snooker.
My doctor called it Tennis Elbow - or Tendonitis. But he said that
most of the
tension that gets into the elbow - mine judders - can't stop it! -
actually is usually caused by the tendons in the wrist.
Now I've had a load of trouble with my wrist lately - permantly got
a wrist support on now - and for the past two weeks my elbow has
been really stiff and tense.
The anti inflammatory gels help a bit as do anti inflammatory
tablets.
I am prescribed arthrotec - as I have arthritis; but they say it is
just general wear and tear - so not necessarily "belting shit out of
the ball" but just continued use of the muscles and tendons at the
same angle.
If anyone's got any handy exercises or treatments, I'd love to hear
them, because it really is a pain - literally! Sometimes my wrist is
so weak that I don't even have the strength to lift the rest with
it.
Regards to all
Janie
jan...@lineone.net
Global Snooker Centre
I think this is a common problem!
Global Snooker Centre
Jake G.
there's a question that I can answer pretty well (I'm working on a Master's
in physical therapy). FYI, the doctor referred to what you have as 'lateral
epicondylitis,' but you were pretty close. It can also be generally
referred to as tendinitis.
This is a common overuse injury and there are a couple things you can do
about it. First, you could take a couple days off from shooting, or at
least take a break while you're playing, especially when you feel your
forearm start to get tired. Also, applying ice to your elbow after you play
will help to prevent inflammation, as will aspirin. If you do use ice,
don't leave it on for more than 20 minutes and do not apply it directly to
your skin. Wrap it in a towel or something like that.
Before you play, try warming your elbow up some by moving your wrist and
fingers. The bulk of the muscles that move them are at the elbow. Also
some light stretching will help. Try this: with your elbow at your side
and your hand pointing forward (I.e., elbow bent to 90 degrees), turn your
palm down and bend your wrist down as well. Now press lightly on the back
of your hand. You should be pressing toward your body, more or less. Hold
it for 15 seconds or so. Do this a couple of times.
Finally, as I have read in a few other posts, there are braces you can buy
at a pharmacy. From what I have heard they work very well.
I hope this helps. If you have any more questions or need clarification,
just ask. I'm addicted to this ng so I'll probably be able to respond
within minutes....
Jake
bad elbow wrote in message <3643C6...@this.news.group.only>...
>Anybody else out there who's had an elbow problem??? I think I have
>overdone it.... I play a lot (sometimes for as many as 5 hours
>straight when I'm winning) and now my right elbow AND forearm are
>SOOOO sore it hurts even to shake hands with people. I went to the
>doctor and he called it lateral epichondritis
>or something to that effect.....basically golfer's elbow.... AM I
>FINISHED or will this EVER get better??? ANY ADVICE appreciated.
>
Frank
Jake G. wrote in message <722mak$gj8$1...@camel0.mindspring.com>...
>I've been lurking in this newsgroup for about four months or so and
finally
>there's a question that I can answer pretty well (I'm working on a
Master's
>in physical therapy). FYI, the doctor referred to what you have as
'lateral
>epicondylitis,' but you were pretty close. It can also be generally
>referred to as tendinitis.
<<<<<<<good advice snipped>>>>>>
>I hope this helps. If you have any more questions or need
clarification,
>just ask. I'm addicted to this ng so I'll probably be able to
respond
>within minutes....
Welcome aboard, Jake.
Frank
Tom Bellhouse
strained position somehow in your stance You must be working
against yourself somehow.
Hope it gets better!
Best regards,
Tom
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T78MON
Ok, all you elbow pain suffers I'll let you in on what cured me of tennis
elbow. First off let me tell you that I got it from lifting a motrocyle onto
the back of a pickup and the other guys end slipped and sent a shock thru to my
elbow resulting in the injury. At the time I was bowling and golfing in great
pain, using the velcro ace bandage just below the elbow. Since I'm., allerigic
to aspirin and ibuprofin traditional treatment was impossible. After many
cortisone shots I finally had a specialist tell me about the following exercise
that cured me within 6 weeks. BTW, I was so bad that I could not pour a gallon
of milk or even push on the top of a shave cream can without extreme pain.
Here is the exercise. Get a small soft ball (I used a raquet ball) and
sqeeze it gently with your arm fully extended (knuckles up) and your wrist
straight. While gently squeezing bend your wrist down.Know turn your arm so
that your knuckles are facing right and repeat. Then do the same thing with
with the knuckles facing left. DO NOT over do it, if it hurts squeeze less and
do fewer reps. Always continue with the anti-inflamatories and good
luck...............................Paul J. Mon
=^.^=
memory. I also exercised my wrist/forearms when I had tennis elbow.
Sorry didn't mention it before, but it slipped my mind.
I used an exerciser, don't know what it's called. It is like a 14-inch
bar bent 90-degrees (Except it's not metal, it's heavy plastic). Each
7-inch portion has rubber grips on it, like handlebar grips on a
bicycle, but beefier. There are ball-bearings inside and the grips
rotate around the bar. The tension can be adjusted on each grip
independently, by turning a knob at each end of the bar at the base of
each grip. You hold it in both your hands and twist the thing around
at the wrist. There's all kinds of different exercises you can do with
it. It specifically works wrist and forearms. *That* is probably what
helped get rid of the tennis elbow, more than wearing the arm band.
We ordered it out of a catalog. I think it was either from a
NordicTrack catalog (sounds like the obvious one), or from The Edge
Company knife catalog (less obvious source, but I honestly think this
is where we got it from).
Ron Shepard
<gom...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>[...] Also, applying ice to your elbow after you play
> will help to prevent inflammation, as will aspirin. [...]
I know someone who plays tennis, in the summer at least, and he has
problems with his elbow too. He wears an elastic bandage around his
forearm that is supposed to keep the susceptable muscles/tendons/ligaments
from becoming inflamed. He sometimes wears this when he plays pool,
although I'm pretty sure that it is the tennis that aggravates the
problem, not pool.
Finally regarding taking aspirin, I just wanted to mention that you should
not drink alcohol while you take aspirin -- the mixture is bad for your
liver. Acetominophen (Tylenol) and alcohol is an even worse combination.
I know someone who was a regular (but not a heavy) drinker who took
self-prescribed acetominophen for a chronic back problem, and he had to
have a liver transplant. Serious stuff.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
twc
wrote:
>[...] my right elbow AND forearm are
>SOOOO sore it hurts even to shake hands with people. I went to the
>doctor and he called it lateral epichondritis
>or something to that effect.....basically golfer's elbow....
Here are a few things that might not have been suggested yet...
Your injury may or may not be from repetative pool playing, but now
that you have it, EVERYTHING you do can potentially make it worse.
Things like opening pickle jars, extended keyboard session (MIDI, PC,
etc), racquet sports, and even sleeping.
SLEEPING? Yes, sleeping. As with carpel tunnel (wrist) problems and
other 'ergonomic misuse' related syndromes, the way you sleep can
have a huge effect on the problem. If you have tendon inflammation
problems, and you spend your eight hours every night lying on top of
a hyper-flexed wrist, it makes it worse, not better. The same can be
true for your elbow. Do you tend to sleep in a position that has your
injured arm over-extended, or bent/rotated at an odd angle? Believe
it or not, this can be a big part of slowing any possible recovery.
Try changing the way you sleep, such as switching sides of the bed, or
hugging a large pillow (perhaps a fellow rsb-er could loan you an
inflatable 'friend'), or something similar. Oddly enough, if you buy
a wrist support for that hand - the kind meant for supportive
sleeping, as mentioned above - you may find that you HAVE to sleep in
a different position because of the new 'obstruction'. At any rate,
consider changing your sleeping habits...
The pressure bands that everyone will suggest DO help. Placed an inch
or so below the elbow joint, it should be tight enough to notice, but
not so tight as to constrict circulation. Though it isn't commonly
mentioned, the same band can also offer some relief when placed just
ABOVE the elbow joint. I have found that if the tradional position
has become irritating or ineffective, placing the band above the joint
can be a welcome change. The greatest effect, however, is achieved
below the elbow. Also, while it is warned AGAINST in the packaging
disclaimers, I have occaionally worn a 'tennis elbow' band (below
joint) during sleep, with noticeable success. Of course, I'm not
recommending this or encouraging YOU to take such a foolish risk :-)
These are trained professionals, don't try this at home and all that
stuff...
Finally, ALL the words of advice you are likely to receive from this
forum are probably good ideas to try; primarily, you should try to be
aware of EVERY use you make of your injured arm, with the goal of
correcting behavior that aggravates the inflamed tissues.
Thomas Wayne