Many doubts about Sardo's new rack
WiL
My partner and I took turns guessing how much one would cost, because there
are some practical applications for what looks like the "robotic rack."
Assuming you're an honest player, using one of those racks could possibly
prevent you from being shit racked by your opponent, something that is far
too common in the places where I play. Out of boredom and curiousity I
called the people at Sardo and they sent information about the rack, but
before I got off of the phone I asked the operator the amount of the
suggested retail for the rack. My partner and I had guessed it would be
between $75 and $100, which might be worth it. The operator told me $295.99.
I just laughed, they're a bit too proud of their robotic rack. I really do
like the idea and the product, but for $295.99 I'll just have to get shit
racked.
WiL
Smorgass Bored
Whether you are playing for money or not, start adding 25¢ charge (or
a dime) to whoever lost and is racking and put it in a jar (or your
pocket <g>) and you'll be surprised at how soon you will accumulate the
$295 for the 'robot rack'
Have you checked around online for any discounted prices?
rack-em (R2D2),
Doug W.
~>*)))>< Big fish eat Little fish ><(((*<~
Fred Agnir
>Assuming you're an honest player, using one of those racks could possibly
>prevent you from being shit racked by your opponent, something that is far
>too common in the places where I play.
Am I the only one who thinks that the table conditions have more to do
with a "good break" than a "shit rack"? And that said "shit rack" is
usually an excuse?
Regards,
Fred Agnir
Templeton, MA
sam
was very impressed. I imagine that the price reflects the cost of research
and development as well as tool and die costs. I would love to have one,
but like you, I think it is a bit much to pay for the convenience and
accuracy. Sincerely, Sam
WiL wrote in message ...
>I saw the Tight Rack by Sardo in Billiard Digest and thought it looked
cool.
>My partner and I took turns guessing how much one would cost, because there
>are some practical applications for what looks like the "robotic rack."
>Assuming you're an honest player, using one of those racks could possibly
>prevent you from being shit racked by your opponent, something that is far
newage
> >prevent you from being shit racked by your opponent, something that is far
> >too common in the places where I play.
>
> with a "good break" than a "shit rack"? And that said "shit rack" is
> usually an excuse?
I'm not sure Fred, but type "shit rack" again. I don't know why but it
makes me laugh...
Tony
Paul J. Mon
>
> On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:55:12 -0500, "WiL" <te...@bayou.com> wrote:
>
> >Assuming you're an honest player, using one of those racks could possibly
> >prevent you from being shit racked by your opponent, something that is far
> >too common in the places where I play.
>
> Am I the only one who thinks that the table conditions have more to do
> with a "good break" than a "shit rack"? And that said "shit rack" is
> usually an excuse?
>
>
> Fred Agnir
> Templeton, MA
Fred,
If your opponent is genuinely trying to give you a good rack then
table conditions are indeed the cause of "shit racks". I contend that
poor racking is primarily the fault of the racker (rackee??) and the
unjust excuse is the table conditions. I know guys that are champion
"shit rackers". I love it when it backfires and you snap the 9 on one
of their racks..........Paul
sam
(foot rail side of the rack) of the rack are placed. On any table new or
used the rack will be exacting after about a 30 rack usage. This rack
presses on the TOPS of the balls as well as the sides to insure a perfect
rack. I am still impressed. Especially for home use, tournament play, and
money games. You won't get the Doug W. "shit rack" with this device. It is
big, heavy and expensive. If I could get 4 other guys to go in with me, I
would buy the 5 needed to get Dealer pricing (half retail). Sincerely, Sam
(I would wait until January however. That is when they will have racks in
stock. It is not available yet.)
pjm...@concentric.net wrote in message <7o5hq8$jca$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>DDummitt wrote:
>> The spot on most tables has several divits in it so the
>> one is going to roll off unless you place it just right.
>> And there are often numerous other divits in the rack area
>> to cause some separation.
>
>I agree. I can get all the balls touching with any hard rack and my
>fingers, but table and cloth imperfections make it hard to leave them
>that way when you let go. Why wouldn't the balls move when you remove
>this roborack the same as with any other?
>
>$295? I'd have to be shitFACED to buy that.
>
>Pat Johnson
>Chicago
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
DDummitt
pool halls. The spot on most tables has several divits in it so the one is
going to roll off unless you place it just right. And there are often numerous
other divits in the rack area to cause some separation.
Dean
Macon, Ga.
CSmith4738
>table conditions are indeed the cause of "shit racks".
and sometimes it's the shitbird who racks that is responsible.
Clark
pjm...@concentric.net
> The spot on most tables has several divits in it so the
> one is going to roll off unless you place it just right.
> And there are often numerous other divits in the rack area
> to cause some separation.
I agree. I can get all the balls touching with any hard rack and my
Don M.
>DDummitt wrote:
>> The spot on most tables has several divits in it so the
>> one is going to roll off unless you place it just right.
>> And there are often numerous other divits in the rack area
>> to cause some separation.
>
>I agree. I can get all the balls touching with any hard rack and my
>fingers, but table and cloth imperfections make it hard to leave them
>that way when you let go. Why wouldn't the balls move when you remove
>this roborack the same as with any other?
>
>$295? I'd have to be shitFACED to buy that.
Sam was looking real hard at the Sardo rack but I told him he couldn't
fit it inside his case.
Don >---
greg miller
With some nice points (esp. pointy points), rings, and inlays they
could probably get $2,950.
TW version---- $29,500
Fred Agnir
>Pat, With the Sardo rack, you place two small "stickies" where the feet
>(foot rail side of the rack) of the rack are placed. On any table new or
>used the rack will be exacting after about a 30 rack usage. This rack
>presses on the TOPS of the balls as well as the sides to insure a perfect
>rack.
Does this mean that each time you rack, you put temporary
divots/dimples in the rack area?
sam
Probably slightly less then you would by ball tapping. Sincerely, Sam
Fred Agnir wrote in message <37a6e8aa...@news.earthlink.net>...
Jeffrey Weiss
> ...It [the Sardo rack] is big, heavy and expensive. If I could get 4 other
> guys to go in with me, I would buy the 5 needed to get Dealer pricing (half
> retail). Sincerely, Sam
We have debated on this forum many, many times about what it would take for
pool to become a "legitimate" money-making professional sport. I believe you
have participated in these discussions, Sam. Here's one thought I have to
offer on that subject:
Perhaps pool would stand a chance if it weren't for the fact that two-bit
hustling permeates the sport, including almost all participant categories from
the players through to "dealers." Just a thought.
--
jw (NYC)
MULLY
> > ...It [the Sardo rack] is big, heavy and expensive. If I could get 4
other
> > guys to go in with me, I would buy the 5 needed to get Dealer pricing
(half
> > retail). Sincerely, Sam
sam, it's a waste of cash. I believe Jimbo and myself pointed that out to
you at the booth. The thing is a waste of time and money. Learn to rack
better and you won't need that contraption.
MULLY
AAboutPool
>Perhaps pool would stand a chance if it weren't for the fact that two-bit
hustling permeates the sport, including almost all participant categories from
the players through to "dealers." Just a thought.
>--
>jw (NYC)
jw,
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Bob
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sam
but don't understand your comment about "dealers". Would you explain.
Sincerely, Sam
AAboutPool wrote in message
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Jeffrey Weiss
> Posting here because all my messages were lost. Jeffrey, I agree with you,
> but don't understand your comment about "dealers". Would you explain.
OK, Mr. Sincere, I'll play along. Perhaps a copy of my post (which I know you
have the skills to access yourself) will make it clear. Here's a hint:
remember, I come from the "old school" of Usenet where we quote only the parts
of referred-to messages to which we are directly responding.
---- BEGIN COPY OF MY ORIGINAL POST ----
"sam" <s...@lasercom.net> proudly offers:
> ...It [the Sardo rack] is big, heavy and expensive. If I could get 4 other
> guys to go in with me, I would buy the 5 needed to get Dealer pricing (half
> retail). Sincerely, Sam
We have debated on this forum many, many times about what it would take for
pool to become a "legitimate" money-making professional sport. I believe you
have participated in these discussions, Sam. Here's one thought I have to
offer on that subject:
Perhaps pool would stand a chance if it weren't for the fact that two-bit
hustling permeates the sport, including almost all participant categories from
the players through to "dealers." Just a thought.
---- END COPY OF MY ORIGINAL POST ----
OK, now, what part didn't we understand?
--
jw (NYC)
sam
obviously in a bad mood. Sincerely, Sam (thought I asked an honest
question)
Jeffrey Weiss wrote in message
<1999080519...@nhrmdc204.fw.gs.com>...
Smorgass Bored
along. Perhaps a copy of my post (which I know you have the skills to
access yourself) will make it clear. Here's a hint: remember, I come
from the "old school" of Usenet where we quote only the parts of
referred-to messages to which we are directly responding.
Sam. Here's one thought I have to offer on that subject:
Perhaps pool would stand a chance if it weren't for the fact that
two-bit hustling permeates the sport, including almost all participant
categories from the players through to "dealers." Just a thought.
OK, now, what part didn't we understand?
jw (NYC)
(*<~ I don't think that he understood the part where you call
HIM a 'two-bit hustling' DEALER (for trying to get others to join him in
an attempt to get a 'cheaper price')......
Am I warm ?,
sam
understand that is because I would inform the Sardo Company of what I was
doing before I did it. It is my understanding (possibly wrong) that this is
a start up company that has spent a small fortune on research and
development as well as tool and die costs. I would think that they would be
thrilled to have 5 racks out in the field to get exposure, whether I made MY
profit on the racks or not. I would never put together a scheme to cheat a
company out of it's profits. You are well aware that whenever someone asks
me for a price, I quote them retail. You are also aware that I tell
everyone that I don't sell over the net and that they should find a local
dealer for anything they want. It seems obvious to me that Sardo's profits
are based on dealer pricing, not retail, and that they would be happy for me
to get a few in the field for them to gain exposure, even if I were willing
to give up the profit that I am supposed to make as a Billiard Supply
Company. BTW, if they said they did not want me to do this, I would honor
their request. If Jeffrey's post concerning dealers was related to this,
or your assessment, you are both misjudging my intentions. Sincerely, Sam
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