Smorgassbored wrote:
> Earl's in the loser's bracket after an opening match loss 11-10 to
>Charlie Williams,who by the way, wore his shirt hanging out and tennis
>shoes during his victory. He should have had his shirt tucked in and his
>Sunday go to meeting shoes on,knowing that he was playing a four time
>U.S.Open champion and Hall of Famer. He showed a total lack of respect
>dressing like that and besides, he was 'tilting' the rack on Earl (oops
>!, I shouldn't have repeated all THAT).
>think that Earl now lives in a place (in his head)
> that I now call "Earl's World" (think, 'Wayne's World' from SNL)
Was Tia Carrere in that world?
G. Likes to watch Gerta play pool but would watch Tia do anything.
--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
Home of the 1997/1998 World Champion Broncos!
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"Stoney" <wst...@tconl.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks Smorg - entertaining and insightful. <IMO>
>
> Regards,
> Stoney
>
> Smorgass Bored wrote:
> >
> > I've spent a considerable amount of time the past 2 days speaking
> > with,but mostly listening to,Earl Strickland. <snipped the good
stuff>.............
I'm beat,I'm outta here..............
Doug
PS
I wish that people would stop disrespecting Earl and blaming him for all
of pool's problems.....
Why can't players dress appropriately and show up on time to play. At
least apologize. I mean, they ARE playing a 4 time U.S. Open Champion
and Hall of Famer. I don't think that Earl receives the respect that
someone of his talents & accomplishments deserves and that cuases him to
strike out in retaliation. I think that he's simply misunderstood and
used as a scapegoat for all of the worlds problems....
EARL'S WORLD....EARL'S WORLD.... la, la, la, la, la-la............EARL'S
WORLD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is it HUMID in here or is it just ME ?
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Doug
~>*(((>< Big fish eat Little fish ><)))*<~
Thanks for a great report.
Lou Figueroa
Smorgass Bored <Smorga...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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That said, however, good manners would dictate that when one is late they
would apologise (and maybe even offer up an explanation). Apparently Joey's
rude too.
And people *wonder* why this sport can't get ahead?
--
Mark0
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Smorgass Bored <Smorga...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> I don't know where to start....... IMO
> The weather was very HUMID in Earl's World today. Earl was set to play
> in the opening round at noon today and his opponent was Joey Korsiak.
> The other five matches started on time and Earl continued to knock a few
> balls around while waiting for his opponent who hadn't arrived yet. Just
> before the forfeit time,a young Joey K. rushed through the doors and
> over to table and said that he wanted to knock a rack of balls around
<<<Significant snippage of Bored's narrative>>>
I wholeheartedly agree.
It is said that there are two kinds of genius. In the first we see a genius
and we think " if I was a lot smarter (better) than I am now, I could have
thought (done) that". Whereas in the second we look to ourselves and say,
"if I was as smart as I possibly could be, I would never have thought of
that". We can all come up with examples of the first case but the latter is
a short list; people like Einstein, Mozart, Beethoven, Shakespeare, Leornado
da Vinci.
So, given that the human tendency is to transpose ourselves into the type
genius that we see in others and think we could be, we feel the same
parameters that exist now in our lives would exist for us then. This is not
the case, because our entire perspective would change. That is what keeps
many from reaching the next level. It has nothing to do with innate talent
or systems, but the ability, desire, and courage, to change our
perspective - to let go of our current way of thinking.
Earl Strickland is who he is because he has the courage to do so and he
knows he needs to be that way in order to survive. He has the courage to say
this is no longer fun and walk out the door. I recently purchased the full
set of The Hong Kong $100,000 winner take all between Earl and Efren. Great
set of tapes by the way. At the beginning of the third day, Earl has a 7
game lead. In the interview he is asked all the usual question and does his
best to answer them in the usual way, but ends up jus saying "it doesn't
really matter" and walks away. Because to him it doesn't matter. Not in
"Earl's World". He is there to "play the game". It's like the 8 year old
basketball game, one team is winning 30 to 4 at the half. They come over to
the bencjh jumping up and down. They ask the scorer what the score is and he
says, "30 to 4" and the next question is " Who's Winning ????" They don't
even know, because it is about the game, not the score. We as spectators
keep score, because if it is our child and they win, we are an adequate
parent, if it us and we win, we are an adequate participant, if it is our
team and they win, we are an adequate fan.
So what if Earl is an eccentric genius who's closet door happens to be open.
He's great.. He gets to play ! He is a sandlot baseball player in the pool
world. How many of you remember sandlot baseball ??? You know. where you
meet your buddies and others, pick up teams, make the rules (automatic out
if you hit the ball over Mrs Snyder's fence and the dog is in the yard), and
went at it. Not like today's situation where the 'adults' have taken over
and given everyone uniforms and lit scoreboards and announcers, for 11 year
old LITTLE LEAGUE for pete's sake ! All so that they can make themselves
'adequate'.
I saw Earl once, at the 14.1 Tournament in NY last year. He had high run for
the week of 125 but unfortunately I did not see him play. He was hanging,
white shirt suit and tie. So this guy a couple of seats down yealls across
20 people to Earl on the sidelines, "Hey Earl I need to talk to you" . Earl
looks and says "Who me?, just a minute I'm talking to someone" and proceeds
with his conversation. When he came over, come to find out he had never met
he guy before, but he was still a gentleman and answered his question. And
Earl came OVER TO THE GUY !
Every example you gave of Earl's match with whatshisname, Earl had a
legitimate beef. He had the guts to point them out and to drill the guy.
Then he decided that he was no longer having any fun and split. Good for
him, I admire that. Do I agree with everything that I hear of Earl doing ?
Of course not, but I do give him poetic liscense, so to speak.
I like Earl too Smorg.
My tuppence is now on the table,
Geoff
aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh<yawn>hhhhhhhhhhhhh
back to bed for a while. I'll be back when I awake....
off,to dream pool dreams.......,
::Earl Strickland is who he is because he has the courage to do so and he
::knows he needs to be that way in order to survive. He has the courage to say
::this is no longer fun and walk out the door.
Nice post, Geoff.
I respect Earl's courage, and I have great respect for his
game. But IMO, Earl sharks constantly. He constantly is
doing things that call attention to himself (good and bad),
and things that are considered by most gentlemanly players
(hopefully, a dimension of the game we're trying to promote,
at his level) to be disruptive and disrespectful to his
opponent, the audience, the environment, and the sport. He
is an ongoing commotion. He has everyone "walking on
eggshells" around him, for fear they will set him off
somehow, and then have to deal with that. This game is
physically and psychologically difficult enough already,
without opponents that believe sharking is just another part
of the game.
It's like watching Happy Gilmore (movie where hockey playing
idiot Adam Sandler joins the pro golf tour). What would
happen to a PGA professional who stood around talking to the
gallery, constantly bitching about the conditions, or
muttering and shaking his head while his opponent was trying
to putt? They would be destroyed in the press and drummed
out of the sport by their peers and the PGA.
Sure, he's great entertainment, and Lord knows we need some
showmanship in this game. But it's entertainment at the cost
of his opponents and the dignity of the game.
And sometimes, psychological games can backfire. You
mentioned watching the Hong Kong event. Efren plays like a
gentleman, unruffled, getting numerous bad breaks, and
trailing far behind for most of the match. Earl gives the
greatest 9-ball performance I've ever seen, and then he
defeats HIMSELF in the home stretch. It cost him $100,000.
Maybe the best thing for Earl to do would be to play big
challenge matches, ThunderDome style. People would pay to
see it, and could look at it as professional wrestling --
anything goes pool. I'm half serious.
tom simpson
Nice post Tom and all your points are well taken.
Unfortunately sharking is a dismal part of a great game, and a facet which I
absolultey abhor.
However, I do take great offense to something you state:
tom simpson <tsim...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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> ....You mentioned watching the Hong Kong event. Efren plays like a
> gentleman, unruffled, getting numerous bad breaks, and
> trailing far behind for most of the match. Earl gives the
> greatest 9-ball performance I've ever seen, and then he
> defeats HIMSELF in the home stretch. It cost him $100,000.
Arghhhhhhhhh !!!!!!! <------- (a la Charlie Brown style)
I have only watched to the beginning of the last day ;( I didn't know until
now how the end result became the end result.
I'll still watch the whole series tho ;)
My best,
Geoff
Earl Strickland = MAJOR ASSHOLE
With me son starting to knock balls around, he is the LAST person I would want
my son watching. Some of the nicests ones I have met were Johnny Archer,
Davie Howard, Jim Rempe and Buddy Hall. Sure, they all have their moments,
however, Earl has them ALL THE TIME!
My $.02,
Kevin <--- Can LITTLE fish eat BIG fish??? : )
[...]
>He then walked over to the TD scorer's table (before the TD had a chance
>to move his name forward) and demanded the $200 for his current
>scoresheet position and then loudly WITHDREW from the tournament,while
>stating that he would never return to P-9-Ball. He left a stunned
>opponent and a roomfull of slackjawed spectators who had come mainly to
>see Earl Strickland play.
> It seems that Earl was really in the 9-12th spot and was due $325,but
>he hadn't waited to be moved on the score sheet and demanded the $200
>due to 13-16th place finishers. Apparently, he didn't need or want the
>$3,000 1st Place prize money. Young Joey said that he wanted to be moved
>up to face Louis Viera next,since Earl had split. It took the TD,me,the
>owner, Steve Mizerak and slew of others to explain to Joey's
>satisfaction that had Earl withdrawn at 10-1,then he WOULD have
>advanced. But, because Earl stuck around long enough to complete the
>next game and thus deal Joey his second (and Final) loss,that Joey was
>OUT and L. Viera (who was Earl's next opponent) would then be receiving
>a 'bye'. Louis Viera got his bye and then faced Mario Cruz who knocked
>him out and into the 9-12th spot. Mario was then beat by Bob 'Shorty'
>Otto and finished in the 7-8th spot. Charlie Williams beat Ray Martin
>11-10 to advance to the finals and then Charlie beat house Pro and room
>favorite Buddy Hall to claim 1st Place and the $3,000 (also $650 in the
>Calcutta).
I don't know if this is really what happened, but it sounds to me like a bunch
of players didn't get what they deserved. I think that Joey should have gotten
13-16, Earl should have gotten 9-12 place, L. Viera should have gotten 7-8
place (not 9-12th), Mario should have been 5-6 (not 7-8th), and Bob should have
been 4th place (assuming he lost his next match (to Ray Martin?).
There should have been no "bye" introduced. Perhaps that was the problem?
Earl's match with L. Viera should have been marked "forfeit", with Earl losing
and Viera winning.
If Strickland walked out the door with only $200, when he should have had $325,
then I'm not sure what should be done with the extra $125. I guess they could
mail it to him or something, perhaps with a note saying, sorry about the bad
experience, but don't bother coming back, ever.
As far as Earl's actions, I think he should have yanked Joey's chain a little
for showing up late without a good excuse. Actually, I think Joey should not
only have apologized, but he should have called ahead as soon as he knew he was
going to be late. But it should have stopped there. That doesn't give Earl a
ticket to complain during the rest of the match, and especially not loudly
enough to bother other players in the tournament.
Regarding the calcutta, something similar happened in a local tournament here.
The TD bought a player (a pro, but no names), who ended up winning the winner's
side. The pro did not buy back half interest in the bid. The loser-side
matches took a long time, and the guy still had a long drive that night, and he
wanted to go home. I think he offered his opponent some kind of deal, but it
was declined. He lost the first of the finals matches. After that, his
opponent (a good local amateur) offered to split evenly, and he accepted.
There were now four people involved, the two players and the two calcutta
bidders. Everyone was happy with splitting the money except for the calcutta
bidder for the pro, who was TD. There was $200 difference in 1st and 2nd place
calcutta. If they split, he got $100, and since the pro didn't buy half, it
was all his. From his point of view, if he forced the match to proceed, then
the pro could dump and he would lose $100 compared to the split. If he agreed
to the split, then he would lose $100 (compared to winning 1st place) betting
on what he thought was pretty much a sure thing (if the pro played up to
speed). He cut his losses by agreeing to the split, but he still felt like he
got cheated out of $100 in the deal.
I guess this goes to show that bidding on strangers in calcuttas can be
complicated. Even if you win, you can end up losing. BTW, the TD in this
tournament usually buys a good fraction of the players (who usually buy back
their half), so that part is not unusual.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
But unfortunately, right next to the Pearl, there's the Squirrel. In
whining and unsportsmanlike conduct the Squirrel can give most of us the
seven and the break.
Lou Figueroa
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I'm inclined to cut him from the roster.
Frank
Sorry 'bout that. It would have been a lot more fun without
knowing. It's been a couple of years, though, and has been
discussed here before, so I didn't think I was ruining it
for you.
Even knowing in advance, it is still the greatest match I've
ever seen.
tom simpson
::Sorry, I have seen Earl in action.
::
::Earl Strickland = MAJOR ASSHOLE
::
::With me son starting to knock balls around, he is the LAST person I would want
::my son watching. Some of the nicests ones I have met were Johnny Archer,
::Davie Howard, Jim Rempe and Buddy Hall. Sure, they all have their moments,
::however, Earl has them ALL THE TIME!
::
::My $.02,
::Kevin <--- Can LITTLE fish eat BIG fish??? : )
A few more shining examples, IMO: Nick Varner, Howard
Vickery, Dee Adkins, Tommy Kennedy.
tom simpson
<snipped calcutta tale of woe>
$.02 -Ron Shepard
(*<~ please excuse all the CAPS, but I don't know how to cut &
paste,so all my answers were typed in CAPS.
Smorgass Bored wrote:
I think that Earl now lives in a place (in his head)
that I now call "Earl's World"
They crowdYeah only cause most of the locals here dont get to see someone like Earl shoot that often, otherwise the matches by Williams, Hall, Martin, Cruz or Mizerak offered quallity pool just as much as Stricklands matches. The only Top player he played was Williams.
around 'his' table when he's playing,ignoring other matches that include
great players and a few Hall of Famers.
Earl's in the loser's bracket after an opening match loss 11-10 to
Charlie Williams,who by the way, wore his shirt hanging out and tennis
shoes during his victory.
I thought he lost 11-8 to Williams??? Maybe I am wrong... He was dressed just fine, besides there was over 10 players wearing tennis shoes there.
. He showed a total lack of respect
dressing like that and besides, he was 'tilting' the rack on Earl (oops
!, I shouldn't have repeated all THAT).
I cant entirely agree with that. I dont know if its a sharking move or if hes that much of a stickler for perfection in racking???? Now Charlie did sink 2 Nines on the break but he does have an awesome break....Who knows?? All I know is that charlie didnt care one bit how Strickland racked at all nor did he ever care to go check these racks! Come on a half an hour to rack and have the TD come over to settle it is too much.
I imagine that Earl will be
right there at the end,the way that he's shooting. He'll be playing to
the audience and they'll be eating it up.
HAHAHAHA I thought so too especially from a world champ! Guess I
was wrong with you. I feel sorry for the guy who bought him in the calcutta!!!!!!!
At this point Earl claimed a 'dress code violation' and the TD was called over. Joey said that his pants were cotton,even though they had 'jeans' style stitching around the pockets and that they cost more than Earl's dress slacks.
Yeah he's right about that those were jeans! ( I wear them too)
and Joey was called Friday for not wearing a shirt with a collar
either.
Mario Cruz,who was playing (and losing) on the adjoining table could stand it no longer and went to the TD to complain about having to listen to Earl's comments and sarcastic remarks to his opponent.
Everybody know Strickland runs his mouth, but then again they all
hound him for everything he does or says I mean was the POOL HALL (Including
Cruz's applause while he was shooting) wide applause really necessary when
they announced his forfeit????
>I wish that people would stop disrespecting Earl and blaming him for all
>of pool's problems.....
>Why can't players dress appropriately and show up on time to play. At
>least apologize. I mean, they ARE playing a 4 time U.S. Open Champion
>and Hall of Famer. I don't think that Earl receives the respect that
>someone of his talents & accomplishments deserves and that cuases
him to
>strike out in retaliation. I think that he's simply misunderstood and
>used as a scapegoat for all of the worlds problems....
I think people should respect the -tournament- rules for dress code
and match start times. He is a great talent and perhaps one of the greatest
players to play the game but dont make him out to be a GOD. Whether he
runs his mouth and makes comments to shark or its just the way he is and
its how he is when he shoots it still annoys all the other shooters. Great
for the spectators like myself who were watching him. I was there watching
the whole tournament and for such an accomplished champion that he is he
should have not of forfeited the tournament and went on to win it putting
all those who hound him in their place. Then he'd gain some respect IMO.
The other players like MIz or Hall dont say a word when they shoot there
matches?
Oh well it was cool to see so much talent packed into one room for
3 days.
Just another tounament spectator
Kinda reminds me of an interview between Howard Cosell and Muhammed Ali.
Howard asked him "of the thousands of people here, how many of them do you
think came here to see you?" Ali repied "Oh they ALL came to see ME....but
they came to see me get WHUPPED!!"