Cueball and object stuck in corner pocket?

[John Reber]

Scanario:

Playing 9 ball, wife locks cue and 2 ball in corner pocket so hard they
are stuck hanging over the lip of the pocket. The 1 ball is still on table.

snapshot:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=47209&id=1676912706&l=7ee6d5a6d3

[PatH]

On Nov 8, 7:45 am, John Reber <John.P.Re...@KimmelCancerCenter.org>
wrote:

This is obviously why they shouldn't let women play pool. LOL

PatH

[Ron Shepard]

In article <J9TBo.6730$8m....@newsfe09.iad>,
John Reber <John.P...@KimmelCancerCenter.org> wrote:

Here is the rule from
http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=rules_def:

8.3 Ball Pocketed
A ball is pocketed if it comes to rest in a pocket below the playing
surface or enters the ball return system. A ball near the brink of a
pocket partly supported by another ball is considered pocketed if
removal of the supporting ball would cause the ball to fall into the
pocket.
If a ball stops near the edge of a pocket, and remains apparently
motionless for five seconds, it is not considered pocketed if it
later falls into the pocket by itself. See 1.7 Balls Settling for
other details. During that five second period, the referee should
ensure that no other shot is taken. An object ball that rebounds
from a pocket back onto the playing surface is not a pocketed ball.
If the cue ball contacts an already pocketed ball, the cue ball will
be considered pocketed whether it rebounds from the pocket or not.
The referee will remove pocketed object balls from full or nearly
full pockets, but it is the shooter零 responsibility to see that
this duty is performed.

It looks to me like both the 2-ball and the cue ball are past the
edge of the slate and would be declared pocketed in the above
picture.

However, even if the 2-ball only were over the edge, and the cue
ball is in contact with it, the last part of the above rule seems to
say that it should be declared pocketed too. Is this the way
everyone else reads that rule? Or do you read it that the first
part of the rule is an exception for the last part of the rule in
this case? Does "an already pocketed ball" include the 2-ball which
has been pocketed on the same shot?

$.02 -Ron Shepard

[PatH]

On Nov 8, 7:55 am, Ron Shepard <ron-shep...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <J9TBo.6730$8m.5...@newsfe09.iad>,

>  John Reber <John.P.Re...@KimmelCancerCenter.org> wrote:
>
> > Scanario:
>
> > Playing 9 ball, wife locks cue and 2 ball in corner pocket so hard they
> > are stuck hanging over the lip of the pocket.  The 1 ball is still on table.
>
> > snapshot:
> >http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=47209&id=1676912706&l=7ee6d5a6d3
>

> Here is the rule fromhttp://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=rules_def:

>
> 8.3 Ball Pocketed
> A ball is pocketed if it comes to rest in a pocket below the playing
> surface or enters the ball return system. A ball near the brink of a
> pocket partly supported by another ball is considered pocketed if
> removal of the supporting ball would cause the ball to fall into the
> pocket.
> If a ball stops near the edge of a pocket, and remains apparently
> motionless for five seconds, it is not considered pocketed if it
> later falls into the pocket by itself. See 1.7 Balls Settling for
> other details. During that five second period, the referee should
> ensure that no other shot is taken. An object ball that rebounds
> from a pocket back onto the playing surface is not a pocketed ball.
> If the cue ball contacts an already pocketed ball, the cue ball will
> be considered pocketed whether it rebounds from the pocket or not.
> The referee will remove pocketed object balls from full or nearly

> full pockets, but it is the shooter s responsibility to see that

> this duty is performed.
>
> It looks to me like both the 2-ball and the cue ball are past the
> edge of the slate and would be declared pocketed in the above
> picture.
>
> However, even if the 2-ball only were over the edge, and the cue
> ball is in contact with it, the last part of the above rule seems to
> say that it should be declared pocketed too.  Is this the way
> everyone else reads that rule?  Or do you read it that the first
> part of the rule is an exception for the last part of the rule in
> this case?  Does "an already pocketed ball" include the 2-ball which
> has been pocketed on the same shot?
>
> $.02 -Ron Shepard

I think I'm reading the rule the same as you. Both balls appear to be
pocketed and so the 2 ball would stay down but it would also be a
scratch.

PatH

[John Reber]

Thanks,

That's how we played it, unfortunately she beat me in the 5 game series,
3-2 :-(