Pool vs. Carom cues
Art Tripp
preferences between pool cues and 3-cushion cues. Years back I bought
a cue from Bert Shrager, who started making cues in the 60's for
billiard players around the Los Angeles area. Although I bought the
Shrager for pool, during the late 60's I was playing 3-cushion almost
exclusively, but I never gave much thought to the balance or length of
the pole I typically used. I see Longoni sells cues presumably mostly
to carom players, but I couldn't tell you if there are any features
that set apart 3-cushion cues from pool sticks. Since the balls are
1/8 inch larger than pool balls, I assume the tendency would be to use
slightly larger diameter tips/shafts. It seems to me that most 3-C
players use a much shorter bridge, so the shaft length could be
shorter. Perhaps we could get some input from Jewett or some of the
cue makers?
Doc
R Hess
Go to www.caromcues.com
That's Ron Kilby's site and he has some good text on the subject. Ron is a
3C player himself, but also makes some rather unique pool cues.
Adios,
Pizza Bob
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Deno J. Andrews
Contrary to intuition, carom cues have much smaller tips than pool cues.
They are shorter by about two inches, and typically have a strong conical
taper that keeps the cue from vibrating too badly when it hits the larger
and heavier ball. The smaller tip size allows a player more accuracy in
aiming english, as well as contributing to a more dramatic taper for
strength. Balance varies but within the normal range for pool cues,
relative to the grip. The shorter bridge allows for more accuracy on the
cue ball.
Deno J. Andrews
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straight taper with usually 8.5 to 10mm tip and is usually 57 inches long.
Do 3c players use open or closed bridge. Snooker players seem to use a long
bridge (6 to 10 inches). Just wondering. :o) Sincerely, Sam
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needed to be accurate with tip placement. Small balls make it hard to see
the ball with a closed hand bridge. Carom players almost always use closed
hand bridges with few exceptions. I would bet that if the table were
smaller, the cues would be shorter as well.
Deno
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Art Tripp
Also thanks to Pizza Bob for the Kilby website. He's got some
beautiful sticks. Wish I could try some to feel how they hit. Of
course we do have a 3 cushion table at my local room, but that's only
because the 4th rail is missing...
Doc
Frank Howe
With me just starting out in the 3C world I have been using my
regular cue. It is a Predator. Does this have any drawbacks
when playing 3C? I cant see any. Most of the players have been telling
me to cut my ferrule shorter and I would play better but I believe
that to be mistaken information.
I am getting better and learning but its hard because I can only speak to a
few of the players. Most are all hispanic or oriental. I just watch and try
and remember. Any suggestions for a beginner? Do I need a billiards cue?
I did raise my high run to 5. I know thats not that high but I was happy.
I am
going to start trying to keep track of innings just to see where I am at and
see the improvement.
I just missed a big tournament here and would have loved to have gone and
watched.
A guy who just beat me the night before placed third.
Any information is appreciated. I have not bought any books and any tapes
yet. Just
waiting so I dont buy any crappy ones.
frank howe
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You don't "need" to change anything about your cue. I have seen Allen
Gilbert play some pretty good (.900) billiards with a 14mm piece of ****
cue. However, I do think that the learning curve would be better for you if
you were playing with a carom cue. If you learn how to make shots according
to your cue, and you get to the point where you want to have a carom cue,
things will be different. I have tried playing billiards with a few
different predator shafts/cues and found that while plenty accurate, the
shaft tapers were not strong enough and they vibrated too much for my
liking. I would suggest a low-end Longoni or Helmstetter, or a custom cue
which will cost more. But I know that a very good Longoni can be had for
about $300...and that is pretty good for a decent cue.
With regard to your five run, congratulations. There is nothing "not high"
about a five run. I remember back in 1989 when I played in my first
tournament, I ran a five in about my fifth inning. I thought to myself,
"great! Averaging 1.0..." it took about another ten innings to make another
point. Anyway, what was the point? Oh, fives are strong, especially if you
can run more than one of them in a game. More important are the innings, as
you know...so keep track of every inning played and calculate your average.
And don't lie to yourself!
So basically, my advice is this- you can play badmitton with a tennis
racquet, but if you can get a very good piece of equipment that is suited
for the particular game you are taking seriously, for little money, why not
add it to your arsenal?
Deno J. Andrews
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Yeah I got over the five pretty quickly. I realize innings matter more but
to lower your average you need consistency and with that will come
the longer runs. I am learning the basics and am not sure if I want to
buy a cue now or not. I have several cue and access to a cue maker
so I might have him build me a shaft or a low end cue to the same specs as
a longoni. I know it would be the same but it wont cost much if anything.
A guy here has three really nice Ray Shultz cues. I didnt realize he had
made
billiard cues. All three are very very nice. One is one of the nicest
looking cues
I have ever seen. Ebony and Tulipwood with nice rings and simple accents.
Thanks again for your opinion. Now I just have to learn to play better. A
playing
partner would be helpful. Most of the guys dont want to play with me
because of the
language barrier unless we are in the tournament(three per week at the
place).
A really good player named (chava sp?) is supposedly going to be there this
week.
He is the one who had a 18 run there a few weeks ago. I am looking forward
to that.
thanks again
frank howe
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> Most of the guys dont want to play with me
> because of the
> language barrier unless we are in the tournament(three per week at the
> place).
Been following your posts and it sounds like you are talking about
North Hollywood Billiards. Those guys might look a little
stand-off-ish, but many of them really aren't. You just need to work
on your "spang-lish" and not be afraid to walk up and ask for a game.
Carom balls = carombolas
Game or match = juego
Cue = taco
Chalk = tiza
Table = mesa
Good luck (when shaking hands before a match) = buena suerte
3C = tres bandes
Free Game (straight rail) = juego libre or just libre
Points = puntos
Just ask for some help with the rest of the basic lingo. There should
be a few gringos in there for the tournaments who can help. The room
manager there is also very outgoing and will probably help you out if
you ask. I played in one of the Thursday tournaments with Mazin Shooni
last December when we visited there. That place gets a little wild,
but it was a good time.
> A really good player named (chava sp?) is supposedly going to be there this
> week.
If I recall correctly, this is a nickname which I think is actually
"Shala" or something similar. The guy is Salvador Diaz and he is a
very good player. He finished in 8th place at the 2003 USBA 3C
National, averaging over 0.9 against the best players in the country.
Have fun ....
Frank Howe
The place is in Ontario Ca not Hollywood.
I wanted to go to the tournament there in N. Hollywood last weekend but was
in Vegas. The owner of the place I go to is very nice as are the guys
there.
Its a no alcohol establishment and is a good place.
Diaz-- thats the guy. He comes out to Ontario sometimes and plays
but I have not been there on one of those nights just yet. I hope to see
him play soon.
Until then theres a few other good players to watch.
thanks again
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> I wanted to go to the tournament there in N. Hollywood last weekend but was
> in Vegas.
When in Vegas, you can avoid that ratty-Sogard carom table the LV Cue
Club (I don't think they have had new cloth or balls in a decade).
Instead it is better to play over at Frank Torres' Crystal Palace
Billiards in North Las Vegas, which is only a few bucks by cab from
the strip or DT. Frank is a very nice host and has a pair of good
Sogards and a Verhoeven.
Frank Howe
I didnt know about the Crystal Palace
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