HELP! I need a qualified instructor to help me with my game.
M.W. Griebling
Hello Players!
I was wondering if there were any certified pool instructors in the San
Diego area? If so, who and how can I contact this person? I don't mean
local champion types, but someone who is really qualified to teach the
fundamentals as my stance, grip and stroke are out of wack from changing
them so many times! I was talking to George Breedlove the other day while
playing in the South Bay Billiards tournament which I placed only 13th
which only paid back my entry fee of $40. He said he charges $100 an hour
and gives you only two of these one hour lessons and hands you a personal
practice drill outline on what to work on before you continue any other
lessons. He says he wants you to master the layout he gives you before he
will even talk to you again. This sounds fine to me, but if I could find
someone who teaches just as well in my area? Little help?
I have trouble with my stance as I have tried facing the shot more, side-
saddled, and 45 degree stance. When I try facing the shot, I tend drag
my right grip hand against my right pocket or hip which is a problem on
real stroke shots.
My grip is not comfortable at times. I have tried death grip, 3 and 4
finger, tea-cup, etc.
Maybe it is just me having bad days or slumps.
I have the knowledge of the game and how the cue ball reacts from tip,
rails, other balls, cloth, etc. I am a run out player when I can see the
balls real good and my stance and grip feel comfortable. Other days, I
seem to play real bad and almost want to give up!
I live for the days when I play "jam-up" or play real good. I sometimes
surprise myself and beat local champions, while on other days I can't put
it all together and come short!
Anyone out there have any comments or ideas on my game or someone who can
help?
Thanks.
Mark
Bob Jewett
M.W. Griebling (m...@checfs2.ucsd.edu) wrote:
: I was wondering if there were any certified pool instructors in the San
: Diego area? If so, who and how can I contact this person?
The BCA has a list of certified instructors at
http://www.bca-pool.com/instruction/ci_list.htm
Bob Jewett
Frank Glenn
M.W. Griebling <m...@checfs2.ucsd.edu> wrote in article
<5g3krj$7...@news1.ucsd.edu>...
> Hello Players!
>
> I was wondering if there were any certified pool instructors in the
San
> Diego area?
<<snip>>
Here are a few in Ca. you should be able to tell by the phone number
which are close to you:
California
Stephen Bailey 619-868-3589
Don Del Campo 916-673-9437
Philip Capelle 714-894-1157
Lisa D'Atri 415-892-8417
Mark DePompa 805-948-9445
Eric Harada (Advanced) 800-939-5790
Ron Hayes 510-522-4472
Ted Ito 916-428-2019
Bob Jewett 415-366-2087
Joseph Mejia (Master) 415-873-8091
Mike Massey 510-452-4066
Aaron Nadler 408-427-3071
Paul Namkoong 408-377-9886
Charles E. Reeves Jr. 415-327-5112
Michael Spiel 909-396-9689
Michael Stansbury 408-646-0206
Jeff Szafransky 415-964-0780
Dan Teschler 805-943-2771
Leon Waki 415-673-8909
Roy Yamane (Advanced) 714-539-7707
Frank (gle...@mnsinc.com)
JSilverFox
>The BCA has a list of certified instructors at
> http://www.bca-pool.com/instruction/ci_list.htm
>Bob Jewett
Bob,
I understand that this is a list of BCA certified instructors, but what do
you do if there isn't one available to you. I would love to get proper
instructions but having to travel to obtain it, is not an option. I live
in Charlotte, NC and with all of the pool that is played around the
Carolina's, you would think there was at least one BCA certified
instructor sould be in the state, but guess what, NONE.
I would like to see a list of qualified instructors, whether BCA or not,
that are available throughout the country. This might be dreaming but I
believe there might be others with these same thoughts.
John
Bob Jewett
JSilverFox (jsilv...@aol.com) wrote:
: I would like to see a list of qualified instructors, whether BCA or not,
: that are available throughout the country. This might be dreaming but I
: believe there might be others with these same thoughts.
The problem is the "qualified" part. The BCA Instructor Training
Program at least has materials available and requirements for
certification and some other quality control mechanisms. Of course
this is no guarantee that every instructor will be perfect.
As for the "I would like to see a list" part, who will assemble and
maintain the list? Usually on this group when there is a call for
volunteers, there is immediately a stampede for the nearest exit.
Will you assemble the list?
As far as finding a local instructor:
Ask around the local pool halls for who might be willing to teach.
Be prepared to ask the instructor questions about the "why" of each
point. Some instructors cannot or will not explain things. For each
point, it is still up to you to decide whether it's both important and
real or a load of crap.
The most important thing an instructor can do is help you work on
your fundamental technique. You can get most of the theory and
strategy from books and tapes, but it is very difficult for you to see
yourself and your mechanical faults. Of course, such work is rather
boring for some instructors, who would rather say, "Now watch how
I do jump shots."
Good luck, and if you're ever on the west coast....
Bob Jewett
news
M.W. Griebling <m...@checfs2.ucsd.edu> wrote in article
<5g3krj$7...@news1.ucsd.edu>...
> Hello Players!
>
> I was wondering if there were any certified pool instructors in the San
> local champion types, but someone who is really qualified to teach the
> fundamentals as my stance, grip and stroke are out of wack from changing
>
> Anyone out there have any comments or ideas on my game or someone who can
> help?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mark
Call Richard Rhorer in Houston, TX at (713) 937-4012. He is a master
instructor (BCA certified I believe) and can let you know of anyone in your
area, or when he'll be in your area. The methods they teach will
definitely straighten you out, so to speak, if you practice what they teach
you. BTW, they charge a heck of a lot less than $100/hour, and will answer
any follow up questions you may have by phone.
Richard will also be happy to talk to anyone else interested in more
information.
- A satisfied customer
D. White
Jim Barr
Bob Jewett wrote:
>
> JSilverFox (jsilv...@aol.com) wrote:
>
> : I would like to see a list of qualified instructors, whether BCA or not,
> : that are available throughout the country. This might be dreaming but I
> : believe there might be others with these same thoughts.
>
> The problem is the "qualified" part. The BCA Instructor Training
> Program at least has materials available and requirements for
> certification and some other quality control mechanisms. Of course
> this is no guarantee that every instructor will be perfect.
>
> As for the "I would like to see a list" part, who will assemble and
> maintain the list? Usually on this group when there is a call for
> volunteers, there is immediately a stampede for the nearest exit.
>
I would be willing to host this list and maintain it, but where would this
info come from? There is already a list of BCA certified instructors. From my
experience, if I wait for people to send info in, then this list would be
mighty short.
Jim Barr
Jim Butler
m...@checfs2.ucsd.edu (M.W. Griebling) wrote:
>Hello Players!
>I was wondering if there were any certified pool instructors in the San
>Diego area? If so, who and how can I contact this person? I don't mean
>local champion types, but someone who is really qualified to teach the
>fundamentals as my stance, grip and stroke are out of wack from changing
>them so many times!
>Thanks.
>Mark
I too was having difficulty locating qualified instruction and I took
the ask-around-the-pool-rooms approach and came up with a couple of
names. These instructors claimed to be BCA certified. So I asked why
they were not listed in the BCA instructor list on the "net", and
they stated that the BCA charges a fee for listing instructors names
on their web page. Assuming this is true, I guess I can understand
why a pool instructor would not see the value of a listing on the
Internet which they may view as a tech-nerd sort of thing not normally
associated with cue sports.
Anyway, this may not help you find an instructor, but if the BCA could
be persuaded to list all certified instructors I believe that would be
a real service to those seeking instruction.
Regards
Jim Butler
Atlanta GA
Bob Jewett
Jim Butler (but...@atl.mindspring.com) wrote:
: ... These instructors claimed to be BCA certified. So I asked why
: they were not listed in the BCA instructor list on the "net", and
: they stated that the BCA charges a fee for listing instructors names
: on their web page. Assuming this is true, ...
This is not exactly true. The BCA charges $50 per year to renew
instructor certification, which includes a "free" listing on the
BCA Web page, as well as a listing in the instruction brochure the
BCA prints and hands out. If an instructor does not renew, he is
technically no longer a certified instructor. Also, he cannot
participate in the instructor development programs or work on making
the Instructor Certification Program better. The $50 includes a
standard player membership (usually $25) which includes the rule book
and the BCA newsletter and allows entry to BCA-run tournaments, such as
the North American amateur Nine Ball championships, so the actual cost
for renewal is something like $25/year.
I'm surprised that anyone seriously interested in instruction and
the game would find this annual fee too high.
: Anyway, this may not help you find an instructor, but if the BCA could
: be persuaded to list all certified instructors I believe that would be
: a real service to those seeking instruction.
If the free lance instructors could be persuaded to support the
Instructor Certification program, both the program and the instructors
would benefit.
Bob Jewett
Member, BCA Instructors Committee
John Walkup
"news" <dwh...@hic.net> writes:
>M.W. Griebling <m...@checfs2.ucsd.edu> wrote in article
><5g3krj$7...@news1.ucsd.edu>...
>> Hello Players!
>>
>> I was wondering if there were any certified pool instructors in the San
>> Diego area? If so, who and how can I contact this person? I don't mean
>> local champion types, but someone who is really qualified to teach the
>> fundamentals as my stance, grip and stroke are out of wack from changing
>> them so many times......
>>
>> Anyone out there have any comments or ideas on my game or someone who can
>> help?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Mark
>Call Richard Rhorer in Houston, TX at (713) 937-4012. He is a master
>instructor (BCA certified I believe) and can let you know of anyone in your
>area, or when he'll be in your area. The methods they teach will
>definitely straighten you out, so to speak, if you practice what they teach
>you. BTW, they charge a heck of a lot less than $100/hour, and will answer
I paid John Guffey less than $17/hour for my lessons, just for the sake of
comparison.
>any follow up questions you may have by phone.
John
JSilverFox
>Bob Jewett wrote:
>>
>> JSilverFox (jsilv...@aol.com) wrote:
>>
>> : I would like to see a list of qualified instructors, whether BCA or
not,
>> : that are available throughout the country. This might be dreaming but
I
>> : believe there might be others with these same thoughts.
>>
>> The problem is the "qualified" part. The BCA Instructor Training
>> Program at least has materials available and requirements for
>> certification and some other quality control mechanisms. Of course
>> this is no guarantee that every instructor will be perfect.
>>
>I would be willing to host this list and maintain it, but where would
this
>info come from? There is already a list of BCA certified instructors.
From my
>experience, if I wait for people to send info in, then this list would be
>mighty short.
>Jim Barr
Thanks Jim for volunteering to maintain a list but I agree with you that
the list would be short and out-of-date quickly. I believe the problem is
as Bob stated "the problem is the qualified part". I don't know how or why
some people are "BCA qualified" but I'm glad that the BCA does it. I would
just like to see more qualified instructors available throughout the
country.
Is there someway that the BCA or some other legitimate organization, could
offer training classes in the areas where the number of pool players would
warrant and could support "qualified instructors"? I don't want to have to
go to Ca., Tx. or Wisconsin to have to learn to play this game right, but
my fear is if I have somebody here teach me, would I be getting the proper
advice or would this person screw me up even worse?
I'm sorry if I'm rambling but I am frustrated in not being able to get
proper instruction in a game I have grown to love. Now if this was golf, I
can find a qualified instructor on each corner of the street, but who
cares!!
Thanks for listening, I guess I will have to retain my frustration and
keep learning the old way, through trail and error.
John
Charlotte, NC
Bob Jewett
JSilverFox (jsilv...@aol.com) wrote:
: ... don't know how or why
: some people are "BCA qualified" but I'm glad that the BCA does it. I would
: just like to see more qualified instructors available throughout the
: country.
The requirements for instructor certification are on the Web at:
http://www.bca-pool.com/instruction/ci_guid.htm
: Thanks for listening, I guess I will have to retain my frustration and
: keep learning the old way, through trail and error.
There are lots of books and videos on the subject now, so you are much
better off than when I was first starting to learn. With both books
and instructors you have to develop your critical analysis ability.
I'm still very surprised that no one in Charlotte gives lessons -- so
many top players seem to hang out there now.
Bob Jewett
Forrest Charnock
m...@checfs2.ucsd.edu (M.W. Griebling) wrote:
Mark Call the BCA at (319) 351-2112 ask for Bruce Baker He will Help
with all you ask. He help me to become an Instructor. Harold Carter
South Texas ,tell him I sent ya!!
Forrest Charnock
m...@checfs2.ucsd.edu (M.W. Griebling) wrote:
call ask about a Instructor in your area. ASK FOR Bruce Baker and
tell him Harold Carter in south Texas sent you. He told me how to
become an BCA Instructor and today I are ONE !!!!!!
Good Pool
Keep a Clear Mind
Forrest Charnock
m...@checfs2.ucsd.edu (M.W. Griebling) wrote:
>
>Mark
Call BCA at 319-351-7767, get list . ask for Bruce Baker and tell him
Harold Carter south Texas sent ya.