Midwest Cue builder
mrcrawdad
won the state nine ball championship not that long ago and at one time
owned Chesterfield billiards. His cues have become his obsession.
Those that remember his pool hall remember the beautiful wood
treatment Jerry did to the bar and the entire establishmnet. He
doesn,t need a plug but if you go to his site or Chalker.com and look
at his work you will see a real master at work that also can play at a
higher level than most on this site.
Also Coker cues hit well for the money.
Since I own a Cognescenti,Terbrock,and Coker amongst many low end
cues I will rate these for you.
Cognescenti....braggin cue.....pricey like a Southwest or Gina Cue
Hits great and looks great.
Terbrock...Beautiful finish..inlays perfect,not as pretty as my
cognoscenti but getting there
Coker...rather plain..just 4 or 6 points no fancy cnc inlay but hits
like a club!
Lucasi...hits good.looks good made on cnc in China....
Cog...2800.00 Terbrock can buy from 400 to 2500 Coker less than 600
Lucasi best 150 cue on the market.
Avoid Players,low end Palmer,cues with decals instead of real inlays
because they usually have poor shafts.
Avoid most cheap laminated cue tips. Everest and Sniper by Tiger are
now superior to Talisman.
Talisman for one pocket is a constant battle keeping the tips from
miscueing with a loose bridge.
Kamui Black I threw away but the original Kamui played good but over
priced.
Wizard the best choice of cheap laminate tips
Triangle the best choice still for non laminated tips Mrcrawdad
Ron Shepard
<669f2226-83da-4fb7...@y36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
mrcrawdad <mrcr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In the midwest,namely ST.Louis. [...]
Is (RSBer) Jim Buss still in St. Louis?
$.02 -Ron Shepard
mrcrawdad
> In article
> <669f2226-83da-4fb7-b26e-8e25fca5c...@y36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> mrcrawdad <mrcraw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > In the midwest,namely ST.Louis. [...]
>
> Is (RSBer) Jim Buss still in St. Louis?
>
> $.02 -Ron Shepard
Yes, Jim Buss is still in St. Louis. No intentional slight to Jim. A
fine example of a higher end cue/maker. Priced somewhere between
Terbrock and Cognoscenti.
I basicaly was referring to Mountain Mike's post of wanting a cue
built by a player who plays at a higher level.
I have been with Joe Gold when he's played 300.00 a game/not set of
one pocket in Chicago. I've watched Terbrock play Cliff
Joyner......Jim Buss plays but against Joe or Terbrock he should get
10/6 or better.
Mountain Mike^^
I basicaly was referring to Mountain Mike's post of wanting a cue
built by a player who plays at a higher level.
Thanks! I wish I had read this before ordering mine:( Anyway, I should have
got a temp cue from Lacasi. You're the thried person I heard this from.
The one I got is a SP by Mueller's made in their shop. Shaft is fine, but
the finish is crap. I had to re-weight it, and re-finish in order to use it
at all. lus a new Tip, BTW.
If my day trading holds up, I'm GONNA get a Gina. Always loved those
sticks........And a Coker, and all the rest of 'em...
mrcrawdad
I forgot to mention that Joe Gold was playing 300.00 one pocket per
game "one handed" against the young Chicago shooter. Also I forgot
another stick that hits very,very well that though I no longer favor
wrapless cues is one of the prettiest birdseye maple wrap area cues I
own by Jerry Olivier. I don't know how well he plays but his sticks
are balanced very similar to a Coker.
Hope this helps Mountain Mike. We have a road shooter here in St.
Louis AJ that goes by the handle Mountain Man when on the road. He
plays a little under Ike Runnels speed.
Also,has anyone tried the new Tiger green tip? It is less than the
everest or sniper but since Tiger makes it it probably can't be that
bad?
Mountain Mike^^
Thanks, Crawdad (?).
I've always had great respect for Joey Gold. I think his Cog's are the tits.
Lovely hit, and fine joint. "IT AIN"T PLASITIC!?"
I'll check in when I get my new stick <$1K and will be looking for a looker,
next
Never tried the greenies. Say hello to cousion MM when you seen him.
Ron Shepard
<2ee4757a-c272-4682...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
mrcrawdad <mrcr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 5:23�pm, Ron Shepard <ron-shep...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <669f2226-83da-4fb7-b26e-8e25fca5c...@y36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > �mrcrawdad <mrcraw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > In the midwest,namely ST.Louis. [...]
> >
> > Is (RSBer) Jim Buss still in St. Louis?
>
> Yes, Jim Buss is still in St. Louis. No intentional slight to Jim.
I was just curious. I thought he might have moved a few years ago,
but that must have been someone else.
> A
> fine example of a higher end cue/maker. Priced somewhere between
> Terbrock and Cognoscenti.
Ouch. That's a little on the high side I expect. I met Jim here in
Chicago at one of the RSB tournaments organized by Pat Johnson. I
thought he played well in that tournament, and he knows a lot about
tricky, just barely possible, bank shots.
> I basicaly was referring to Mountain Mike's post of wanting a cue
> built by a player who plays at a higher level.
I think Jim Buss would qualify for that.
However, the reason I replied to this thread again was to discuss
the implied premise that a good player must make a better cue than a
not-so-good player. I think the technical skills involved in
playing and in making cues are very different. There isn't
necessarily a correlation. If a cue maker studies with the right
person (or people), then I think he might be able to make a good cue
even if he is a poor player himself. On the other hand, some good
players have a particular kind of cue that they like, and they
refuse to even consider any other kind of cue. If you don't like
that kind of hit, then you better find another cue maker. You
mentioned Joe Gold, he is like that (or at least he used to be). He
makes cues a particular length (57 inches, I think it is), and he
refuses to make longer cues, even for tall customers. Optimal cue
length depends a little on playing style and stance, but generally
speaking when a player is over about 6'1" or 6'2", then a 57 inch
cue is just too short. Joe also refuses to put low-deflection
shafts (e.g. Predator, etc.) on his cues (as do several other cue
makers that come to mind). He has his own particular ideas about
what a shaft is supposed to feel like, and his ideal shaft has a
higher-squirt, heavier feel, than the low-squirt technology.
Having said all of that, I do think it is a good experience to find
a local cue maker who makes cues that hit the way you like, you get
together to come up with some interesting designs and features, and
you get to watch the cue come to life. But I don't think the
playing ability of the cue maker really plays a major factor in that.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
lfigueroa
years DCC and Mr. Runnels has gone on to the next level.
Lou Figueroa