"Bar Rules" 8-Ball....
Mark Stidham
There are two things that more or less 'irk' me.
1. 7.5' Tavern Tables
and
2. Amateurs who play by 'Bar Rules'.
Where did these rules come from? Here are the specifics:
1. Your balls are off the table. If you miss the 8-ball, and
subsequently pocket the cueball, you lose. I'm not talking about
shooting the 8-ball, missing, it going three rails into a different
pocket, then scratching.. obviously you lose in that case. I'm
talking about missing the 8-ball (such as jarring it in the pocket),
then scratching. The 8-ball remains on the table. You lose, and
everybody cheers ("Whooooaaa!!!!!")..
2. You're shooting any one of your object balls. Any ball (whether
it's one of your own group, your opponent's group or the 8-ball) is
near your intended pocket. You make your ball, but it happens to hit
the interfering ball (caroming into the pocket). Why must you call
this? In my book, 'called shot' means call the ball you intend to
pocket, and the pocket in which you intend to sink it. That's it.
This isn't a game of "HORSE". I don't care if the ball jumps off the
table, hits the light, breaks it, falls onto the floor, rolls down the
stairs, into the street, gets knocked back into the room by a speeding
car, jumps up somebody's foot, back onto the table, goes sixteen
rails, caroms off of five balls (shattering two of them) and drops in.
As long as that object ball falls into that intended pocket, it's
legal (provided the cueball remains on the table, and no other balls
come to rest anywhere other than the table). The rule states,
clearly, the ball must "COME TO REST" on the bed of the table. If it
bounces off the wall in front of the table, then back on, it's legal.
I'm sick of the "it wasn't clean" rule.
2a. Why is it that if you shoot, say, the six-ball, and it jars the
pocket, then drops, this is a legal shot? It was by no means
"clean".. Obviously you didn't intend for this ball to hit three or
four rails (the jaws of the pocket are still rails).. Yet this is
okay...
3. All your balls are off the table. Your opponent has one left, the
fifteen ball, and it's hanging in the jaws of a pocket. Your
opponent, being an amateurish prude, shoots the ball and the cueball
follows the fifteen straight into the pocket. Oh, did I mention the
eight ball is BEHIND THE HEADSTRING (in other words "in the kitchen")?
Now, I know, in normal rules, any ball in the kitchen in this case is
spotted on the foot spot. However, amateures don't know this.
Therefore, you must attempt an impossible kick shot, miss, sell out,
simply because your opponent doesn't know the rule and has created a
huge advantage for himself by scratching. This should never happen.
Scratching, in my opinion, should *NEVER* be an advantage. In any
event, you kick at the 8-ball, miss it, and the cueball falls into a
pocket (as per "rule" number 1)... Guess what?
("Whooooaaaahhh!!!!!" ~laughter~)
3a. There are five balls left on the table: 4, 2, 9, 13 and the 8.
Every ball is 'in the kitchen'. Player A has the solids, B has the
stripes. Player A shoots the 2 ball, misses it, cueball goes three
rails into the upper left corner (yet the 2 doesn't leave the
'kitchen'). This game will NEVER END. Here's why: According to
these "bar rules", if you scratch, the player has the cueball 'in the
kitchen'. What's to stop both players from scratching intentionally?
Neither wants to lose, right? Of course, you and I know that the
stripe closest to the headstring is spotted, but, according to "rule"
3, it won't happen. You might say, "well, you've got to be a good
sport"... Not everyone (especially at a bar or tavern) is a "good
sport". Again, they've created an advantage by scratching (especially
if you take the better part of valor and attempt an impossible
kick-bank shot).
Of course, there are countless other rules (the point being there is
no penalty for *ANY* foul using these "rules"). You don't have to
contact your own ball first, you don't have to drive a ball to a rail
after contact, you can do whatever you want.. there are no fouls
(except scratching, in which case it's more often than not a HUGE
advantage... unless you break "rule" number 1)..
And you know what the funniest part of this story is?
I GET YELLED AT FOR PLAYING "DIRTY POOL" WHEN I PLAY SAFE AT A
BAR!!!!!!
My question is this: Where did these rules come from? Obviously they
came from somewhere because at every tavern or bar I've played at,
they're the same.. yet I've never, *EVER*, seen a rulebook (or poster)
anywhere... Yet everyone knows "that if you scratch on the 8-ball you
lose"..... Anyone agree (or at least know where I'm coming from)?
-Mark Stidham
mark.s...@hill.af.mil
Smorgass Bored
<bar rules>
(*<~ Dems da rules. If you don't like em, take up knitting..... and
quit crying like a little baby... girl.
I hate whiners.... imo
NEXT,
Doug
~>*(((>< Big fish eat Little fish ><)))*<~
Bob Jewett
...
> 1. Your balls are off the table. If you miss the 8-ball, and
> subsequently pocket the cueball, you lose.
It could be worse. Some places play that if you're on the
eight, and you don't hit it, you lose.
...
> I'm sick of the "it wasn't clean" rule.
Point out calmly and politely to your opponent that you play
by other rules, right after you break off the bottom of your
beer bottle. Or better, bite off the bottom of your bottle.
Your request for reconsideration of this minor point will be
more effective if you're frothing red at the mouth.
> 2a. Why is it that if you shoot, say, the six-ball, and it
> jars the pocket, then drops, this is a legal shot? It was by
> no means "clean".. Obviously you didn't intend for this ball
> to hit three or four rails (the jaws of the pocket are still
> rails).. Yet this is okay...
Such shots aren't clean, and you better not try to get away with
that crap around here.
> ... In any event, you kick at the 8-ball, miss it, and the
> cueball falls into a pocket (as per "rule" number 1)... Guess
> what? ("Whooooaaaahhh!!!!!" ~laughter~)
If you don't know how to kick, get back on the porch.
> ... Again, they've created an advantage by scratching (especially
> if you take the better part of valor and attempt an impossible
> kick-bank shot).
See above.
> I GET YELLED AT FOR PLAYING "DIRTY POOL" WHEN I PLAY SAFE AT A
> BAR!!!!!!
If you don't know how to make a safe look good, get back .... well
you know.
> ... Anyone agree (or at least know where I'm coming from)?
I'm guessing just outside of Ogden, Utah. Aren't there any pool
halls there? You shouldn't go to bars for pool; bars provide
opportunities for personal interaction and development of social
skills.
--
Bob Jewett
http://www.sfbilliards.com/
sonny
wrote:
>Yet everyone knows "that if you scratch on the 8-ball you
>lose"..... Anyone agree (or at least know where I'm coming from)?
I know where you're coming from Mark. My advice is to lighten up.
It's just a game - particularly using these kinds of rules.
Besides... even when you play with real rules; if you scratch on the
eight ball, you're gonna lose.
--
sonny
rocky mount
Nick Pesce
are removing the luck from the game or something. As if making the
8 on the break isn't basically luck.
You also forgot the one where there is a ball near the rail and they play
it up the corner. They OB hits the rail about 2 diamonds away, but the
pockets
are so big, and the rails so dead, that the ball still goes in. That
doesn't have
to be called, and they consider it a 'clean shot' but its practically a
'bank' shot!
I was shooting pretty well I night. I ended up down to the eight which
ended up hanging in a kitchen corner pocket. .My opponent was up, scratched
and I had to shoot the long kick up and back to make the 8. I hit the
eight a little off center, it hit the inside of the pocket, double-kissed
the cue ball and finally went in. My reward for this: Loss of game
because I didn't call it that way!
Another thing about the bar rules is that if you have a tight cluster and
you play some kind of
combo-kiss shot and hit it hard, there is NO WAY anyone can tell what really
happened. Especially drunk as they usually are. You can contest a shot all
night and
settle it unless you take the guy outside.
I don't know where these rules came from, but I guess you just have to
accept them.
I rarely play in bars any more, if I do, I don't take the whole thing
seriously. I don't like
the small tables anyway, and hate the heavy or oversized cue balls. It
intereferes with
postion and draw shots too much.
My advice is shoot in a real pool hall, don't play the bangers and, don't
drink while playing. You'll enjoy it a whole lot more.
Nick
"Mark Stidham" <mark.s...@hill.af.mil> wrote in message
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: I'm upset.
Tony DeAngelo
Mark Stidham wrote:snip
> My question is this: Where did these rules come from? Obviously they
> came from somewhere because at every tavern or bar I've played at,
> they're the same.. yet I've never, *EVER*, seen a rulebook (or poster)
> anywhere... Yet everyone knows "that if you scratch on the 8-ball you
> lose"..... Anyone agree (or at least know where I'm coming from)?
>
> -Mark Stidham
> mark.s...@hill.af.mil
>
I found your post hilarious, because you really conveyed the sense of
frustration that you feel. I won't answer point-by-point but I'll give
you my opinions.
First, in my area, there are as many bar rules as there are bars,
almost. Some rules (and bars) are pretty bizarre. So it pays to get
the rules straight first.
Second, I think that most bar rules are designed to favor the weaker
player. Think about it, it makes sense. You don't want the same guy on
the table all night long, and everyone who steps up want to feel as if
he or she has a chance. Accept this. If you want consistent rules and
top notch competition, go to a pool room.
Third, there is a solution for every one of your situations, and this is
where I think playing bar pool can really improve your game. Forget
gambling for steeling your nerves...play and beat a gang of bikers on
crank for a real challenge. You'll learn to read people, to make tough
shots while getting bumped and sharked incessantly, and you'll learn
diplomacy, or at least self-defense. Good luck!
na...@centtel.net
>There are two things that more or less 'irk' me.
>
>1. 7.5' Tavern Tables
>and
>2. Amateurs who play by 'Bar Rules'.
>
>Where did these rules come from?
Tough luck Kid. That's the way it is out here in the real world; EVERY bar has
it's own rules for 8-ball and you can bet your bottom $ they're different from
the "official" tourney rules that we all perfer. I STRONGLY suggest you check on
their rules before you play for money (unless you weigh more than, say, 250).
Play an obvious "safety" and you have a good chance that, at the least, you will
be thrown out of the place. At the worst, you may have to endure broken thumbs.
BEWARE!
I joined a fraternal organization a while back and even provided them with the
official rule book....just trying to be helpful. Now, a year later, the rule
book is collecting dust in their office, and the regulars are playing by the
same rules as always.
Good luck!
Nat
Snoozy
> 1. 7.5' Tavern Tables
Around here the bar tables are either 7' or 8'. I think a 7.5' table
would be interesting to play on. Where can I play on it?
> 2. Amateurs who play by 'Bar Rules'.
So Pros who play by 'Bar Rules' don't irk you?
> Where did these rules come from?
Wherever I play I just find out what the rules are and then play w/o
complaining about them. Every year in our bar 8-ball league someone
gets everyone else to vote in a new rule 'that will make the game more
fair'. Nonetheless every year the same players finish at or near the
top. It doesn't matter what the rules are. The guy who suggested the
rule doesn't finish any higher in the standings.
I'm
> talking about missing the 8-ball (such as jarring it in the pocket),
> then scratching. The 8-ball remains on the table. You lose, and
> everybody cheers ("Whooooaaa!!!!!")..
I hate it when people cheer when someone scratches too.
>
> 2. You're shooting any one of your object balls. Any ball (whether
> it's one of your own group, your opponent's group or the 8-ball) is
> near your intended pocket. You make your ball, but it happens to hit
> the interfering ball (caroming into the pocket). Why must you call
> this? In my book, 'called shot' means call the ball you intend to
> pocket,
"Call pocket" means you just call your pocket. "Call shot" means you
call everything about the shot. Everything. Rails, kisses, combos.
All of them.
>
> 2a. Why is it that if you shoot, say, the six-ball, and it jars the
> pocket, then drops, this is a legal shot? It was by no means
> "clean".. Obviously you didn't intend for this ball to hit three or
> four rails (the jaws of the pocket are still rails).. Yet this is
> okay...
Around here the jaws of the pocket aren't rails.
> 3. All your balls are off the table. Your opponent has one left, the
> fifteen ball, and it's hanging in the jaws of a pocket. Your
> opponent, being an amateurish prude, shoots the ball and the cueball
> follows the fifteen straight into the pocket. Oh, did I mention the
> eight ball is BEHIND THE HEADSTRING (in other words "in the kitchen")?
> Now, I know, in normal rules, any ball in the kitchen in this case is
> spotted on the foot spot. However, amateures don't know this.
> Therefore, you must attempt an impossible kick shot, miss, sell out,
> simply because your opponent doesn't know the rule and has created a
> huge advantage for himself by scratching. This should never happen.
> Scratching, in my opinion, should *NEVER* be an advantage. In any
> event, you kick at the 8-ball, miss it, and the cueball falls into a
> pocket (as per "rule" number 1)... Guess what?
> ("Whooooaaaahhh!!!!!" ~laughter~)
You only try to make this shot if it's quite makeable. Otherwise you
shoot a kick shot that comes close to hitting the 8 ball but just
barely misses, someone in the crowd says "good shot", and then when
the opponent walks up he finds he has a long bank shot. . . or a long
thin cut shot. . . or a choice between the two.
> 3a. There are five balls left on the table: 4, 2, 9, 13 and the 8.
> Every ball is 'in the kitchen'. Player A has the solids, B has the
> stripes. Player A shoots the 2 ball, misses it, cueball goes three
> rails into the upper left corner (yet the 2 doesn't leave the
> 'kitchen'). This game will NEVER END. Here's why: According to
> these "bar rules", if you scratch, the player has the cueball 'in the
> kitchen'. What's to stop both players from scratching intentionally?
> Neither wants to lose, right? Of course, you and I know that the
> stripe closest to the headstring is spotted, but, according to "rule"
> 3, it won't happen. You might say, "well, you've got to be a good
> sport"... Not everyone (especially at a bar or tavern) is a "good
> sport". Again, they've created an advantage by scratching (especially
> if you take the better part of valor and attempt an impossible
> kick-bank shot).
Same as above , there probably is a kick shot where the crowd approves
of your try yet when you miss your opponent has little.
You don't have to
> contact your own ball first, you don't have to drive a ball to a rail
> after contact, you can do whatever you want.. there are no fouls
> (except scratching, in which case it's more often than not a HUGE
> advantage... unless you break "rule" number 1)..
> And you know what the funniest part of this story is?
> I GET YELLED AT FOR PLAYING "DIRTY POOL" WHEN I PLAY SAFE AT A
> BAR!!!!!!
You need to make it look like you're trying to make something. Shoot a
'2-way shot'. If you make it you have position on your next shot. If
you miss your opponent has little or nothing. He's got some sorta kick
shot maybe is all. Trick is to find the spot on the table where you
want to leave the cb that meets those requirements.
> My question is this: Where did these rules come from? Obviously they
> came from somewhere because at every tavern or bar I've played at,
> they're the same..
Doesn't really sound like you've played in very many bars. There can
be regional/local variations.
Lotta bars play gentleman rules. Ya just kinda point at the pocket.
. . wave your cue at it. Everyone knows what you mean. Call fouls
on yourself. Only get explicit when banks or combos or kisses are
involved. If you make a habit of calling fouls on yourself then you
make more friends. Which is why you're in the bar in the first place
right?
Snoozy
TheRacker
like the rules don't play here.
stick
stick
hate house rules, but he is playing under the same rules.so allways
look for a reason to win, not a excuse for losing!! OLD MAN STICK
Mountain Mike^^
Bob Jewett <jew...@sfbilliards.com> wrote in message
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You shouldn't go to bars for pool; bars provide
> opportunities for personal interaction and development of social
> skills.
>
I always used them to get my watches serviced........
MM^^<---or, clocks cleaned.
Dean
Mark Maxey
pocket and the ball you are shooting may or may not nudge the other ball as
it goes into the pocket like so. Then they guys say you didn't call the
shot properly because it touched the other ball. Not that nudging the ball
would have made any sort of difference.
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At a couple of local bars with tournaments they actually play "honest
effort" where any sort of safety play is seriously frowned upon. Also, a
non-scoop jump shot is considered to be a foul, how weird is that. They
also allow people to break from the middle of the table and I do mean
middle.
Is there anywhere else you guys have seen where people actually break from
the middle for 8-ball and 9-ball. I'm talking about outside of the kitchen
and closer being in line with the side pockets?
Nothing is more retarded than this scenario in a bar. you have ran off all
of your balls on the table and all you have left is the eight, which is in
the kitchen. Your opponent scratches leaving you with this steaming pile of
shit. I generally use this shot as a prime example of why cueball in hand
is necessary for tournament play, but some people just don't get it.
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Part of the fun of playing in a bar I guess is being able to overcome these
rules or really screwing someone by putting them in the position above
intentionally.
"Mark Stidham" <mark.s...@hill.af.mil> wrote in message
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Steve
> mark wrote >
> > There are two things that more or less 'irk' me.
>
> > 1. 7.5' Tavern Tables
>
> Around here the bar tables are either 7' or 8'. I think a 7.5' table
> would be interesting to play on. Where can I play on it?
>
Since the inside length of an 8' table isn't 8' maybe he measured one
curious what size it was and determined it was closer to 7.5 feet than
anything else. Just a possible explaination.
Steve.
Steve
My favourite 'pub rule' is that its legal to contact your opponents
ball first on a combo shot. Absolutely hilarious !!!
Use their silly rules to your advantage - if they play scratch is
played from behind baulk - scratch intentionally if tactically
advantageous - then mention to them how much better the game would be
if cue ball in hand rule was played...
same as non-legal shot is played from where it lies instead of CBIH -
try some foul snookers - hehehe - that should breed some ill feeling.
If you manage to get some converts to CBIH - then work on the other
'good' rules - legal shots, call pocket, table always open after break
etc.
small step improvements !!
mark.s...@hill.af.mil (Mark Stidham) wrote:
>I'm upset.
>-Mark Stidham
>mark.s...@hill.af.mil
Remove 'antispam' to reply via email...
Have a nice day !!
bp
wrote:
>I'm upset.
>
>There are two things that more or less 'irk' me.
>
>1. 7.5' Tavern Tables
>and
>2. Amateurs who play by 'Bar Rules'.
>
>Where did these rules come from? Here are the specifics:
>
>1. Your balls are off the table. If you miss the 8-ball, and
>subsequently pocket the cueball, you lose. I'm not talking about
>shooting the 8-ball, missing, it going three rails into a different
>pocket, then scratching.. obviously you lose in that case. I'm
>talking about missing the 8-ball (such as jarring it in the pocket),
>then scratching. The 8-ball remains on the table. You lose, and
>everybody cheers ("Whooooaaa!!!!!")..
Isn't this true in all forms of 8 ball ?
>
<snip>
the funny thing is is that people that play those rules think Valley
or APA rules suck.
Todd Shultz
Good Shooting,
Dutch
Casey Marler
wrote:
<snip>
>
>Of course, there are countless other rules (the point being there is
>no penalty for *ANY* foul using these "rules"). You don't have to
>contact your own ball first, you don't have to drive a ball to a rail
>after contact, you can do whatever you want.. there are no fouls
>(except scratching, in which case it's more often than not a HUGE
>advantage... unless you break "rule" number 1)..
>
>And you know what the funniest part of this story is?
>
>I GET YELLED AT FOR PLAYING "DIRTY POOL" WHEN I PLAY SAFE AT A
>BAR!!!!!!
>
>My question is this: Where did these rules come from? Obviously they
>came from somewhere because at every tavern or bar I've played at,
>they're the same.. yet I've never, *EVER*, seen a rulebook (or poster)
>anywhere... Yet everyone knows "that if you scratch on the 8-ball you
>lose"..... Anyone agree (or at least know where I'm coming from)?
>
Most of the time I say just play by the rules of the house, don't
worry about it. Usually they give an advantage to a less skilled
player, (or rather remove some advantage from a more skilled player)
but we are usually there for fun anyway.
This did get my goat one night when I was playing a Sunday night
tournament at a local bar, though. My opponent had missed his 8 ball,
and left me without a good shot on my ball. The 8 was in a tough
position midway down a long rail, so I elected to play a safety, which
left the 8 snookered as shown:
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The opponent made an intentional foul by hitting my ball directly into
the 8, which ran the 8 down to the jaws, and me with no good shot on
my ball.:
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It pissed me off that he could make an intentional foul on the 8,
which took away my strategy on playing the safe in the first place,
and not be penalized. I would have shot a more difficult shot on my
ball, and left him with an open, but tough cut on the 8.
I bitched to the guy running the tournament, but lost, because we were
playing "house rules".
I suppose I should have controlled my disgust and tried to block the
8 with my ball, but the smug look on my opponents face pissed me off.
He really thought he had got me on strategy, and in truth he did. I
didn't realize the tournament would permit an intentional foul on the
8. I attempted a tough bank and missed, leaving him the easy 8.
I did get him on the next games, but I had to shoot with this in mind.
I could not give him a position on the table that he could capitalize
on with a bad hit, because I knew he would do it. He never got close
to me again in a Sunday nite tourney, I always took him out 2 straight
after that night. Whenever I got a game with him I was merciless. I
hated him so much for his chicken shit play that I made it a point to
bear down really hard each time I faced him.
I think the lesson I learned was "know the rules and use them to your
advantage"
-CM
>-Mark Stidham
>mark.s...@hill.af.mil
Mark Maxey
I've seen similar shit being pulled in the town where I grew up at the local
bowling alley.
However, for some reason when you are on the 8-ball it cannot touch any of
your opponents balls or you lose. Quite stupid, but hey, you don't exactly
run into the brightest of pool players in a bowling alley in eastern
kentucky.
"Casey Marler" <cma...@tss.net> wrote in message
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Casey Marler
hit my ball first, but since he didn't pocket the 8, it was OK. Yuk.
-CM
Casey Marler
I like to play at the Elks lodges here in the Pac. N.W., because the
tables are usually well kept and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
Tacoma WA. really stands out with 5 really nice 5X10 carom tables in
addition to the pool tables.
One local lodge (not Tacoma) has a popular game among members. Normal
8-ball "bar rules" on a 12 foot snooker table. They use standard 2
1/4" balls, and no slop is allowed. I haven't tried this one yet. :)
-CM
On Thu, 22 May 2003 03:19:34 -0400, "Mark Maxey"
<i_ow...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Stephen
> Whenever I got a game with him I was merciless. I
> hated him so much for his chicken shit play that I made it a point to
> bear down really hard each time I faced him.
>
> I think the lesson I learned was "know the rules and use them to your
You are right there. His play wasn't really chicken shit. Your
intention was to fuck him up and he used the rules for his own survival.
We've all had guys in the bar pot our ball and leave us hooked, push
the cue ball 1/2" to a hook or use some other silly chickenshit play.
What can you do but play by whatever fantasy the house rules are made
from? The only thing that makes rules really unfair is not knowing
them. Now you do.
Of course, you do realize that now it is the other guy that thinks you
are the merciless, chickenshit asshole that leaves him nothing and kicks
his ass every time he plays you, don't you? He can spot you from a mile
away and he hates it everytime you show up!
Stephen ---> Everyone loves it when Stephen shows up...
Rich Shewmaker
--
"Mark Maxey" <i_ow...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Part of the fun of playing in a bar I guess is being able to overcome
these
> rules or really screwing someone by putting them in the position above
> intentionally.
>
This comes up all the time in actual play. I actually practice making
"accidental" scratches to create this situation, and twice last year I
actually pulled off shots where I "missed" my object ball, nudged my
opponent's eight ball into the kitchen (once to the middle of the footrail),
and scratched. On one of those occasions, I was playing against a
sophisticated player who snarled "nice leave." I just smiled.
--Rich
Rich Shewmaker
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"Steve" <candlel...@antispam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Welcome to my world...
>
> My favourite 'pub rule' is that its legal to contact your opponents
> ball first on a combo shot. Absolutely hilarious !!!
>
That usually goes with the equally silly "eight ball neutral" rule.
--Rich
Steve Henderson
"Rich Shewmaker" <ri...@ilhawaii.net> wrote in message
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> > Part of the fun of playing in a bar I guess is being able to overcome
> these
> > rules or really screwing someone by putting them in the position above
> > intentionally.
> >
>
> This comes up all the time in actual play. I actually practice making
> "accidental" scratches to create this situation, and twice last year I
> actually pulled off shots where I "missed" my object ball, nudged my
> opponent's eight ball into the kitchen (once to the middle of the
footrail),
> and scratched. On one of those occasions, I was playing against a
> sophisticated player who snarled "nice leave." I just smiled.
While, IMO, chickenshit, your method can be written off as "lousy shot" by
many, and most often will be written off as such.
I've had jackasses literally line up on the cue and fire it -directly- into
a pocket. That can't be taken -any other way- than Chickenshit.
Notice the capitalization (or lack thereof) in the two cases.
Mark Stidham
the night before [I kept screwing up on the 8-ball]).. And I was tired
of the railbirds making that "Ooohhhhhhh!" noise...
My point was why does everybody know "those" rules? And not the real
rules?
-Mark
Smorga...@webtv.net (Smorgass Bored) wrote in message news:<11428-3EC...@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Mark Stidham
a correct assumption.) Around here, there are no pool halls. I think
on the entire wasatch front (Ogden, Salt Lake City, Provo) there are
maybe three or four places with nine foot tables. And they're usually
so dead you can hear the crickets chirp..
-Mark
Bob Jewett <jew...@sfbilliards.com> wrote in message news:<10534701...@emperor.labs.agilent.com>...
Mark Stidham
'semi-money' I'm talking three or four dollars a game - when we play
nine-ball he goes for the combination on the nine every time, which is
quite frusturating.. but that's the way it goes) and he told me about
a 'safety rule' they have at another hall that they use in their
tournaments. The rule is this: One "safety" per game. Now, on this
"safety", you can do anything you want (nudge the 8 away from hanging
in a pocket, move your opponents ball.. etc..). It really makes no
sense.. because let's say you played TWO "safeties" in the game...
what's the penalty? You still don't get ball-in-hand.. You aren't
awarded a win by 'default'..
Oh, and the other rule is the one about making the 8-ball on the
break. It's not a win, but I make it quite often on the break so I
keep my mouth shut.. :) Besides, it'll cost more quarters to get it
out.. and.. who pays? Usually the smaller of the two players..
-Mark
Tony DeAngelo <aj...@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<3ECAD33A...@adelphia.net>...