Repair Threads (Schon)
chupic
If I get a good flaming for doing this, I deserve it. I found this Schon
at a pawn shop for $300. Although it had some surface dullness (fine
scratches) there were no major dings in the finish. I have three friends
with lathes however none are set up to polish butts. They don't want to
risk damaging someone's cue I guess (if the adapter, made from a piece of
shaft, came loose it could be disastrous). I caused my own disaster. I got
this brainstorm to use my drill press (set at lowest speed) to spin the
butt. The 5/8 chuck wouldn't hold a shaft adapter so I found a piece of
clear plastic hose that fit very tightly on the threads (had to screw it
on). I chucked it into the press, spun it up for a few secs and flattened
some of the threads. Disgusted, I parked the thing in a corner and its been
collecting dust for a year.
Q: Is there any way to chase the threads without removing the pin. The
damage is slightly past the collar. I was told that once you remove(change)
the pin the cue will never play the same. I promise to never abuse my Schon
again (bitter lesson), please help!
Sincerely, Doug F.
Apologies for short (long) story :>)
Steven Hegg
snippage
>I chucked it into the press, spun it up for a few secs and flattened
>some of the threads. Disgusted, I parked the thing in a corner and its
been
>collecting dust for a year.
>Q: Is there any way to chase the threads without removing the pin. The
>damage is slightly past the collar. I was told that once you
remove(change)
>the pin the cue will never play the same.
snippage
Yikes Doug, what were you thinking?!
When in doubt, always consult a reputable professional. They have the
equipment and the knowledge to do work like this.
But back to your dilemna. You're probably in a tough spot.
You can probably get someone to do some minor surgery to fix the threads as
much as possible. But you have probably lost for good whatever kind of
decent fit you may have had between the butt, pin and shaft.
It is quite possible that you probably also bent the pin slightly so will
need to have someone chuck it into a lathe and check the trueness of the
pin's centerline relative to the butt's centerline.
It is also quite possible that you probably did some damage to the facing of
the butt joint. If you can verify that the pin centerline is okay, then you
may want to have the butt joint refaced to insure that it is perfectly flat.
(If you get this far, then go ahead and get the shafts refaced, so the
facing gets done on the same set of shop equipment.)
And by trying to fix the threads, you will probably accentuate the wear and
tear of whatever threading is in the shaft (3/8-10 wood, or 5/16-14 threaded
insert or whatever). But hey, that's life at this point.
You may want to try these things first and see what kind of results you get.
Removing the pin is really major surgery and may well cost you the value of
the cue to try to correct, if you could even get a cuemaker to take on the
job. I don't know of too many reputable cuemakers who would even mess around
with it.
At any rate, look at the bright side. The cue didn't cost you an arm and a
leg. You are learning a good lesson in cue care. The cue can always become a
great present for a young niece or nephew who is just starting out to play
the game. Or you could donate it to a charity and take a tax write-off. Or
find some sap that you don't like and sell the cue to him.
Hope these options provide some useful input.
Steve
Steven Hegg
chupic wrote in message <6uB42.995$956.1...@news3.mia>...
snippage
>Q: Is there any way to chase the threads without removing the pin. The
>damage is slightly past the collar. I was told that once you
remove(change)
>the pin the cue will never play the same. I promise to never abuse my
Schon
>again (bitter lesson), please help!
chupic wrote in message <6uB42.995$956.1...@news3.mia>...
CSmith4738
>
>When in doubt, always consult a reputable professional. They have the
>equipment and the knowledge to do work like this.
>
>But back to your dilemna. You're probably in a tough spot.
>
>You can probably get someone to do some minor surgery to fix the threads as
>much as possible. But you have probably lost for good whatever kind of
>decent fit you may have had between the butt, pin and shaft.
>
>It is quite possible that you probably also bent the pin slightly so will
>need to have someone chuck it into a lathe and check the trueness of the
>pin's centerline relative to the butt's centerline.
>
>It is also quite possible that you probably did some damage to the facing of
>the butt joint. If you can verify that the pin centerline is okay, then you
>may want to have the butt joint refaced to insure that it is perfectly flat.
>(If you get this far, then go ahead and get the shafts refaced, so the
>facing gets done on the same set of shop equipment.)
[SNIP]
I assume you mean face the butt and shaft(s) all on the same lathe? WhY?
Clark
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chupic wrote in message <6uB42.995$956.1...@news3.mia>...
>
>If I get a good flaming for doing this, I deserve it. I found this Schon
>at a pawn shop for $300. Although it had some surface dullness (fine
>scratches) there were no major dings in the finish. I have three friends
>with lathes however none are set up to polish butts. They don't want to
>risk damaging someone's cue I guess (if the adapter, made from a piece of
>shaft, came loose it could be disastrous). I caused my own disaster. I
got
>this brainstorm to use my drill press (set at lowest speed) to spin the
>butt. The 5/8 chuck wouldn't hold a shaft adapter so I found a piece of
>clear plastic hose that fit very tightly on the threads (had to screw it
>on). I chucked it into the press, spun it up for a few secs and flattened
>some of the threads. Disgusted, I parked the thing in a corner and its
been
>collecting dust for a year.
>Q: Is there any way to chase the threads without removing the pin. The
>damage is slightly past the collar. I was told that once you
remove(change)
>the pin the cue will never play the same. I promise to never abuse my
Schon
>again (bitter lesson), please help!
>
chupic
that sounds like a good deal but I want to check with a friend who often
visits Russ Espiritu. He drives there occasionally and if Russ could fix it
I wouldn't have to bother with the shipping. If he's too busy (or
expensive) I'll contact you.
Thanks again! Doug F. Lafayette, LA
Michael
might think (usually bent). Get a GOOD cue mechanic to do the work and
you will like the cue (as much as you can like a Shon). BTW, Sneaky
Clean works VERY well and I recomend it.
Michael
Michaelangelo Custom Cues
On 18 Nov 1998 18:40:36 PST, "Patrick Tobin - The Cue Prescription"
Patrick Tobin - The Cue Prescription
that he isn't too busy. If he is though, feel free to gimme a chat.
Patrick
***BTW: Michael....thanks for the post about Sneaky Clean. I appreciate
it.
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chupic wrote in message <2eO42.1305$956.1...@news3.mia>...
Robert Nicholson
Robert Nicholson
Robert Nicholson
The man's a nice guy to boot. HE's in Winconsin.
Robert Nicholson
fixed. Evan advised me never to have anybody work on the butt of my cue and
I actually prefer Evan to work on the shafts as well. Honestly I don't
know why anybody wouldn't just send it back to the original cue maker and
have them work on it.
csmit...@aol.com (CSmith4738) writes:
> <ste...@shell8.ba.best.com> wrote:
>
> >What is wrong with sending the cue to Evan and have him work on it for you?
> [snip]
>
> What is wrong with taking it to somebody else?
>
> [paste]
> >The man's a nice guy to boot. HE's in Winconsin.
>
> He IS a really nice guy.
>
> Clark <---- failed geography but knows that Wisconsin is not a short drive from
> Louisiana.
CSmith4738
jim...@neosoft.com
>You shouldn't worry about the hit after replacing the pin, It should be just
as good as new. The main problem with changing a pin, is that to get the pin
out, you have to heat it to break the glue loose. Some cues take only a hot
soldering iron, but some require more drastic heat. I know of a couple of
would be cuemakers who got the pin too hot, and split the wood. If this
happens, the cue is history. If you decide to have it changed, I suggest
sending it back to Schon. They're good, honest people, and won't keep it
forever.
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jim...@neosoft.com
"Patrick Tobin - The Cue Prescription" <cu...@concentric.net> wrote:
> Not too big of a deal. I can replace the 5/16-14 pin for a grand total of
> $20.00
> Feel free to visit my site below, or call me at 336-985-4694.
> Patrick Tobin in NC
>
You've got to be careful saying this...Older Schons were no problem. The
newer ones have the joint pin as an integral part of the stainless joint. I
wouldn't even think about changing one of those.
CSmith4738
>>You shouldn't worry about the hit after replacing the pin, It should be
>just
>as good as new. The main problem with changing a pin, is that to get the pin
>out, you have to heat it to break the glue loose. Some cues take only a hot
>soldering iron, but some require more drastic heat. I know of a couple of
>would be cuemakers who got the pin too hot, and split the wood. If this
>happens, the cue is history. If you decide to have it changed, I suggest
>sending it back to Schon. They're good, honest people, and won't keep it
>forever.
I agree with Jim Buss completly. Replacing the joint pin should not sacrafice
any playability from the cue. It should be just as good as new and in some
circumstances, better.
Another trap is when you buy the cue second hand. The buyer never knows what
repairs the previous owner(s) have done to the cue. If the joint screw came
loose at some time, it is quite possible that the owner (or someone trying to
lend a helping hand) has used SuperGlue or another knockoff for the repair.
Sure, I guess that would be more than acceptable if you NEVER had to remove
that screw again. The problem is SuperGlue type adhesive has a much higher
heat resistance than conventional epoxies. This causes problems when you are
trying to remove the joint screw. Often times the SuperGlue bond will not
break, but the cue often will.
Clark Smith
Clark Custom Cues <------ I'll get to my address & phone # later Mike Givens!
{:o)~
CSmith4738
<<Just send the cue UPS or whatever and you'll have it back in a week probably
fixed.>> [snip]
If you send it, do so on a Monday so it is not likely to sit in a wherehouse
over the weekend.
[paste]
<< Evan advised me never to have anybody work on the butt of my cue....>>[snip]
Don't you mean anybody else? What about the other people who whave actually
BUILT Schon cues? Would that be acceptable in you book?
[paste]
<<and I actually prefer Evan to work on the shafts as well. Honestly I don't
know why anybody wouldn't just send it back to the original cue maker and have
them work on it.>>
Fear of losing, damaging, etc., etc. Some just won't part with the cue.
Clark <---- did I forget something Michael?
Robert Nicholson
What's the idea behind the unfinished screws on the Schons? My ST-13 for
instance has an unfinished threaded screw.
Robert Nicholson
> ste...@shell8.ba.best.com wrote:
>
> <<Just send the cue UPS or whatever and you'll have it back in a week probably
> fixed.>> [snip]
>
> If you send it, do so on a Monday so it is not likely to sit in a wherehouse
> over the weekend.
>
> [paste]
>
> << Evan advised me never to have anybody work on the butt of my cue....>>[snip]
>
> Don't you mean anybody else? What about the other people who whave actually
> BUILT Schon cues? Would that be acceptable in you book?
Like who? Do they work at Schon? I meant generally people in Evans shop.
>
> [paste]
> <<and I actually prefer Evan to work on the shafts as well. Honestly I don't
> know why anybody wouldn't just send it back to the original cue maker and have
> them work on it.>>
>
> Fear of losing, damaging, etc., etc. Some just won't part with the cue.
>
True I guess but insure it for twice it's value. No lose situation IMHO.
I'd be surprised if it ever got damaged/lost without taking the necessary
precautions.
CSmith4738
ste...@shell8.ba.best.com writes:
>>Just send it back to Evan and have him work on it. Chances are you got a
bargin.>>
Repeating yourself?
Clark <------ standing here with match lit
CSmith4738
Thanks to the Blue Book of Pool Cues written by Brad Simpson and edited by
Victor Stein and Paul Rubino (an excellent contribution IMO)...
Bob Runde and Terry Romine founded Schon in 1981. In 1992, Runde sold his
interest and returned to building cues as a, "Hobby" in 1993. If you have not
seen any of Runde's work, it's beautiful IMO. Shortly thereafter, I think
Terry Romine did the same but I am not sure. I do know that Terry is not
involved in the day to day operations and management of Schon. Evan now is the
key figure with the Schon shop. Today, the Schon's built by Runde are some of
the more sought after Schon's.
I am not trying to negate Evan's work or contributions or how long he has been
involved with Schon. I had the extreme pleasure of meeting Evan Clarke around
the Baltimore ACA expo in ('92-3??). He is one of the nicest people I have met
in the industry today. He invited me back to his shop for a week or so, but
like a dumb ass, I couldn't make it because of $$. RATS {:o(
Nonetheless, IMO his ability and creativity is outstanding.
<<I'd be surprised if it ever got damaged/lost without taking the necessary
precautions.>>
Yeah, I agree. But when that does happen, it's heartbreaking.
Clark <------hey Michael, lookie here.....
Clark Custom Cues