Diamond 9 footers TIGHT Pockets
Joey
Does anyone of you regularly play pool on the Diamond 9 foot tables with the
SUPER TIGHT pockets?
I understand that the pockets come in three sizes.
The one I am playing on and am interested in talking with anyone about is
the one with the tightest pockets.
Thanks,
Joey Aguzin
New Orleans.
Bradley Cook
I have played on them, but not on a regular basis. I think they had
eliminated one of the pocket sizes, but was told they were making it
again. It's a great table for one-pocket, since you can have tight
pockets without those crappy dead shims.
Joey
Bradley, the super tight pockets make it very difficult to run out,
especially playing nine ball. If you put a lot of "juice" on the cue ball,
you can forget about pocketing the object ball.
I would like some feedback from our fellow RSBers and yourself.
Will playing nine ball on a SERIOUSLY tight pocket table like this, help
your game or hurt it and WHY?
Joey
Bradley Cook wrote in message <35479335...@yahoo.com>...
john walkup
Joey wrote:
> Bradley, the super tight pockets make it very difficult to run out,
> especially playing nine ball. If you put a lot of "juice" on the cue ball,
> you can forget about pocketing the object ball.
>
> I would like some feedback from our fellow RSBers and yourself.
>
> Will playing nine ball on a SERIOUSLY tight pocket table like this, help
> your game or hurt it and WHY?
I think most would say that my table is very tight. One drawback to playingon
such a table is that you pass up on shots that are too difficult to make, but
are more makeable on a more forgiving table. Therefore, you never practice
them well.
John
ricky king
Tight pockets force you to make absolutly sure thay your fundamentals
and stroke are perfect. If you want to improve as the pros do, then play
with tight pockets-There is a BCA size minimum though --- mouth-4 7/8
inches minimum, throat-4 inches minimum-if the pockets are tighter than
those sizes then you are not playing on a regulation table
Wishing you Peace, Love, and true Happiness Now and forever,
Ricky
Mike Hu
ricky king wrote:
I think this is one rule that many tables in many pool halls (ones
that attract the better players, at least) break. I'm referring to
going tighter than what the BCA rules specs allow. 4 7/8" is not all
that tight, and many top players prefer to play on something tigher, I
believe. Especially in a game such as One-Pocket.
Bradley Cook
Joey wrote:
>
> Bradley, the super tight pockets make it very difficult to run out,
> especially playing nine ball. If you put a lot of "juice" on the cue ball,
> you can forget about pocketing the object ball.
>
> I would like some feedback from our fellow RSBers and yourself.
>
> Will playing nine ball on a SERIOUSLY tight pocket table like this, help
> your game or hurt it and WHY?
There are pros and cons. It will help you focus and learn to aim
straighter. However, playing on a real tight table takes away certain
shots and adds strategy that isn't there on a regular table. It also
can mess with your head.
I used to play often on a tight table, and it was frustrating to play on
a looser table and watch my opponent sink balls that I know would hang
up on a tighter table.
It's great practice, but don't forget what it's like to play on a
regular table.
AL11KIDS
Pockets that allow you to be able to hit the ball firm and get around the table
for position should be the "norm" in my book.. a table that doesn't allow that,
is just to limiting.. anyway,, a quetion about "dead shims" - our table was
just shimmed and he used "conveyor belt" material, saying this is what they all
use.. but it sticks out on the corners just a hair, causing weird hits near the
pocket.. ( I know , he should re-do the table,, it's my boses) anyway,, is
there another type of material that will shim and still allow for a more
natural bounce??- man,, a game of perfection demands ideal materials,, not
weird bounces... yikes! Al in Redding
hotxxxxxx
Mike Hu
AL11KIDS wrote:
> Pockets that allow you to be able to hit the ball firm and get around
> the table
> for position should be the "norm" in my book.. a table that doesn't
> allow that,
> is just to limiting..
Different people will have different views of how tight is "too tight."
The pros on the PBT, I believe, play on 4 1/2" pockets, and they don't
seem to complain about it being too limited. However, many amateurs
probably feel that this is too tight for them. So it all depends on the
player.
Ron Shepard
>Different people will have different views of how tight is "too tight."
>The pros on the PBT, I believe, play on 4 1/2" pockets, and they don't
>seem to complain about it being too limited. However, many amateurs
>probably feel that this is too tight for them. So it all depends on the
>player.
I think the PBT was discussing using 4-1/2" pockets this year, but I don't
know if that was their final decision. Since they have no tournaments
scheduled, I guess it doesn't make much difference. The PBT specs were a
bit narrower than the BCA specs; if I remember correctly, the corner
pocket mouth was something like 4-5/8" or 4-3/4". Of course, the mouth
opening is only part of the difference between a tight- and a
loose-playing table, the angle of the facings and the shelf width are
significant also.
Speaking of the PBT, has anyone read Don Mackey's letter in Billiards
Digest this month? He is complaining about how it would be better for the
game if tournaments were open so that all the good players can play!!!!
Duuuuhhhhh.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
Sherm Adamson
Joey wrote:
>
> Does anyone of you regularly play pool on the Diamond 9 foot tables with the
> SUPER TIGHT pockets?
>
> I understand that the pockets come in three sizes.
>
> The one I am playing on and am interested in talking with anyone about is
> the one with the tightest pockets.
>
> Thanks,
> Joey Aguzin
> New Orleans.
Joey,
I don't believe that the Diamonds are intentionally made with 3 sizes of
pockets. In fact, when the tables were originally conceived, Greg
Sullivan, founder of Diamond Tables (and an old road partner of mine)
emphatically stated that the reason for his getting involved in building
tables to begin with, was to have _CONSISTANT_ equipment for the Pro's
to play on at all professional events! In the begining as you may
recall, they were known as Diamond PBA (Professional Billiards
Association) tables. The reighning billiards associations members were
polled and specifications were made to please the Pros. At that time you
could only buy used tournament tables, then you could buy tables from
PBA touring pro's with them receiving a small commision from the sale.
The first tables made were I believe made by Steepleton for Diamond but
Greg wasn't happy with them and a quality furniture manufacturer made
them to Diamond specs for a while. I believe everything is done in house
now. After all that babbling I'll give my opinion on the different sizes
you may have encountered. The first batch of tables made had a serious
problem with the way the pocket openings in the slate was cut. These
tables were rediculously hard. This problem was corrected and I think
there was a slight modification in the pocket geometry which evolved
into the normal Diamond table. I'm sure there are lots of Diamonds which
have "shimmed" pockets which is simply thicker pocket facings (the
rubberized belting material used on the exposed cushion ends and
covering the wood rail liner, the cushion is glued to.) This is common
and most Poolrooms have a trick table of this nature.
I think this is where the difference lies instead of a designed, choice
of size.
As I said this is my opinion based upon experience in the field and
discussions with Greg Sullivan years ago. I suppose it's possible that
his philosophy has changed, but I imagine they would still strive for
consistency.
8^)
Sherm
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Bradley Cook
Sherm Adamson wrote:
>
> As I said this is my opinion based upon experience in the field and
> discussions with Greg Sullivan years ago. I suppose it's possible that
> his philosophy has changed, but I imagine they would still strive for
> consistency.
I know a few people that have bought them, and they do offer different
size pockets. The advantage of this is that you don't have to use shims
to get tighter pockets, so the tits play very real.
John Collins
Uh, "the tits play very real"?????? As opposed to what? Silicon or
shims? 8->>
John
Bradley Cook
John Collins wrote:
>
> Bradley Cook wrote:
> > I know a few people that have bought them, and they do offer different
> > size pockets. The advantage of this is that you don't have to use shims
> > to get tighter pockets, so the tits play very real.
>
> Uh, "the tits play very real"?????? As opposed to what? Silicon or
> shims? 8->>
Umm, shims :) I prefer all natural on both :)
I hate when I'm playing one-pocket and the part of the rail I need to
bank off of is a shim. Just like I hate it when I reach up her.. Oh
nevermind :)
Michael Haught
Sherm Adamson (sher...@iac.net) wrote:
: Joey,
<snipped>
: ... The first batch of tables made had a serious
: problem with the way the pocket openings in the slate was cut. These
: tables were rediculously hard. This problem was corrected and I think
: there was a slight modification in the pocket geometry which evolved
: into the normal Diamond table. I'm sure there are lots of Diamonds which
: have "shimmed" pockets which is simply thicker pocket facings (the
: rubberized belting material used on the exposed cushion ends and
: covering the wood rail liner, the cushion is glued to.) This is common
: and most Poolrooms have a trick table of this nature.
I seem to remember the owner of Pockets Billiards in Columbus telling me
how some of his Diamond tables had the slate's pocket openings cut too
narrow on some of his tables and normally on others. I took it to be a
manufacturing mistake.
Would your above description be what he was speaking of?
--
-mwh
talmadg...@gmail.com
> Does anyone of you regularly play pool on the Diamond 9 foot tables with the
> SUPER TIGHT pockets?
>
> I understand that the pockets come in three sizes.
>
> The one I am playing on and am interested in talking with anyone about is
> the one with the tightest pockets.
>
> Thanks,
> Joey Aguzin
> New Orleans.
Also how often does this bad cutting of the slate occur with diamond tables?
Lastly how does the diamond billiard pocket size differ from say a Brunswick table with the same pocket size besides the deep shelf?
Bill
look for the answers...
Bill
>
>> You want someone else to do your research for you? At least 'try' to
>> look for the answers...
> It's called DISCUSSION. You are failing.
>
Failing what? Go ahead an do his research for him then.Please provide
references(bibliographical referencespreferred, with the most recent
listed first).
Bill
Michael Booth
> Does anyone of you regularly play pool on the Diamond 9 foot tables with the
> SUPER TIGHT pockets?
> I understand that the pockets come in three sizes.
> The one I am playing on and am interested in talking with anyone about is
> the one with the tightest pockets.
> Thanks,
> Joey Aguzin
> New Orleans.
Butch Booth
Sulphur, La
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