How to determine a fair asking price for a Brunswick Balke Collender Monarch Cushion table

[sth...@kaycasto.com]

There is a 9' Brunswick Balke Collender Monarch Cushion pool table in our basement. It was in the house when we bought it, but it's too big for the space that it's in, so we want to sell it. It needs some work. I have pictures but not sure how to post them here. The table has a metal plate on the outer rail with the name on it, and there is another plate below on the side of the table with a listing of patent dates, June 22, 1909 being the last. There is a swivel cup that holds chalk adjacent to this. I found a link to a table on eBay that looks like the same model as the table in our basement, which sold for $2,237. Our table would need work to look like this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brunswick-Balke-Collender-MONARCH-Cushion-POOL-TABLE-Billiards-SNOOKER-9-/360423230109

I would appreciate any help in identifying this and figuring out what a fair price would be, given it's condition, or better still an offer.

[Mark0]

On Sep 16 2012 3:06 PM, sthomas wrote:

> There is a 9' Brunswick Balke Collender Monarch Cushion pool table in our
basement. It was in the
> house when we bought it, but it's too big for the space that it's in, so we
want to sell it. It
> needs some work. I have pictures but not sure how to post them here. The
table has a metal plate
> on the outer rail with the name on it, and there is another plate below on
the side of the table
> with a listing of patent dates, June 22, 1909 being the last. There is a
swivel cup that holds
> chalk adjacent to this. I found a link to a table on eBay that looks like
the same model as the
> table in our basement, which sold for $2,237. Our table would need work to

look like this..

>
>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brunswick-Balke-Collender-MONARCH-Cushion-POOL-TABLE-Billiards-SNOOKER-9-/360423230109
>
> I would appreciate any help in identifying this and figuring out what a fair
price would be, given
> it's condition, or better still an offer.

Here's a crazy thought... post a link to some pictures of YOUR table. If
the slate's intact and all the parts are there, it should be worth $500
bucks to somebody sight unseen. Post up some pics man. If it's not
built, then post picks of the rails, legs, and frame (prolly a 'boat'
frame from that era)...

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[sth...@kaycasto.com]

On Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:06:51 PM UTC-4, sth...@kaycasto.com wrote:
> There is a 9' Brunswick Balke Collender Monarch Cushion pool table in our basement. It was in the house when we bought it, but it's too big for the space that it's in, so we want to sell it. It needs some work. I have pictures but not sure how to post them here. The table has a metal plate on the outer rail with the name on it, and there is another plate below on the side of the table with a listing of patent dates, June 22, 1909 being the last. There is a swivel cup that holds chalk adjacent to this. I found a link to a table on eBay that looks like the same model as the table in our basement, which sold for $2,237. Our table would need work to look like this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brunswick-Balke-Collender-MONARCH-Cushion-POOL-TABLE-Billiards-SNOOKER-9-/360423230109 I would appreciate any help in identifying this and figuring out what a fair price would be, given it's condition, or better still an offer.

I have posted some photos of the table on Twitter, which is the first time I've used the account since I opened it in 2009. My name is Steven Thomas and the address is @wtfinwv

[Mark0]

On Sep 17 2012 2:25 PM, sthomas wrote:

> On Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:06:51 PM UTC-4, sth...@kaycasto.com wrote:
> > There is a 9' Brunswick Balke Collender Monarch Cushion pool table in our
basement. It was in the
> house when we bought it, but it's too big for the space that it's in, so we
want to sell it. It
> needs some work. I have pictures but not sure how to post them here. The
table has a metal plate on
> the outer rail with the name on it, and there is another plate below on the
side of the table with a

> listing of patent dates, June 22, 1909 being the last.. There is a swivel

cup that holds chalk
> adjacent to this. I found a link to a table on eBay that looks like the same
model as the table in
> our basement, which sold for $2,237. Our table would need work to look like
this.
>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brunswick-Balke-Collender-MONARCH-Cushion-POOL-TABLE-Billiards-SNOOKER-9-/360423230109
> I would appreciate any help in identifying this and figuring out what a fair
price would be, given
> it's condition, or better still an offer.
>
> I have posted some photos of the table on Twitter, which is the first time
I've used the account
> since I opened it in 2009. My name is Steven Thomas and the address is
@wtfinwv

First of all, I couldn't get to a picture of your expired auction.

Second of all, there are lots of free places on line to post pictures
Photobucket being the first one that springs to mind.

Third, you table is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. I suggested
that if it's functional, most people would be willing to pay $500 bucks.
Better info begets better info

[sth...@kaycasto.com]

On Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:06:51 PM UTC-4, sth...@kaycasto.com wrote:

> There is a 9' Brunswick Balke Collender Monarch Cushion pool table in our basement. It was in the house when we bought it, but it's too big for the space that it's in, so we want to sell it. It needs some work. I have pictures but not sure how to post them here. The table has a metal plate on the outer rail with the name on it, and there is another plate below on the side of the table with a listing of patent dates, June 22, 1909 being the last. There is a swivel cup that holds chalk adjacent to this. I found a link to a table on eBay that looks like the same model as the table in our basement, which sold for $2,237. Our table would need work to look like this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brunswick-Balke-Collender-MONARCH-Cushion-POOL-TABLE-Billiards-SNOOKER-9-/360423230109 I would appreciate any help in identifying this and figuring out what a fair price would be, given it's condition, or better still an offer.

Okay, I posted photos to photobucket (I think). See if this works.

http://s1078.photobucket.com/albums/w489/sthomas0/?start=all

[Mark0]

On Sep 24 2012 7:40 AM, sthomas wrote:

> On Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:06:51 PM UTC-4, sth...@kaycasto.com wrote:
> > There is a 9' Brunswick Balke Collender Monarch Cushion pool table in our
basement. It was in the
> house when we bought it, but it's too big for the space that it's in, so we
want to sell it. It
> needs some work. I have pictures but not sure how to post them here. The
table has a metal plate on
> the outer rail with the name on it, and there is another plate below on the
side of the table with a

> listing of patent dates, June 22, 1909 being the last.. There is a swivel

cup that holds chalk
> adjacent to this. I found a link to a table on eBay that looks like the same
model as the table in
> our basement, which sold for $2,237. Our table would need work to look like
this.
>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brunswick-Balke-Collender-MONARCH-Cushion-POOL-TABLE-Billiards-SNOOKER-9-/360423230109
> I would appreciate any help in identifying this and figuring out what a fair
price would be, given
> it's condition, or better still an offer.
>
> Okay, I posted photos to photobucket (I think). See if this works.
>
> http://s1078.photobucket.com/albums/w489/sthomas0/?start=all

Well done.

So you have an old boat frame, t-rail, leather pocket table. It needs new
pockets (up to $250 to recover the original irons) it needs the veneer
repaired and refinished (big bucks to have done right). Not enough detail
under it to show if the slate is cracked but I'm willing to assume it's
solid. Boat frames are pretty strudy but the t-rails are dead by modern
comparison. My initiial $500 looks about right. Ask for more and settle
for that

Just because it's old, doesn't mean it's valuable. These were very common
in the 19teens and 1920s.

We had one we restored 25 years ago very much like this one (maybe even
the same model (ours was a 1917 -- the date is stamped on the underside of
the rails and sometimes on the slate). We recovered it with new cloth,
had the veneer professionally restored and refinished, and had AE Schmidt
(St Louis) recover the irons with new leather. We sold it installed with
equipment for $2500. I don't think you can get your money for the
restoration back out of this one -- you'll have to find a buyer that likes
the nostalgia of it and wants to fix it up. Good luck.

In my opinion, of course (but I know this stuff).

[sh...@shermcue.com]

On Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:06:51 PM UTC-4, sth...@kaycasto.com wrote:

> There is a 9' Brunswick Balke Collender Monarch Cushion pool table in our basement. It was in the house when we bought it, but it's too big for the space that it's in, so we want to sell it. It needs some work. I have pictures but not sure how to post them here. The table has a metal plate on the outer rail with the name on it, and there is another plate below on the side of the table with a listing of patent dates, June 22, 1909 being the last. There is a swivel cup that holds chalk adjacent to this. I found a link to a table on eBay that looks like the same model as the table in our basement, which sold for $2,237. Our table would need work to look like this.
>

> Just for your info, the Model name of this table is not "Monarch". If it had been I might be on my way to give you at least a few Grand for it. If you go to Brunswick's web site, there are pictures of most of the antique models. The "Monarch" was Brunswick's flagship table of the time and for that matter is one of the most sought after tables on the planet. Andy Griffith bought one about 25 years ago for $75K ! Most of the Brunswick line has "Monarch Cushions" on the name plate which is often mistaken for the model name, but it was not Brunswick's practice to put Model Names on the Nameplate. The "Monarch" table was build on a cast iron leg system that had a large lion's head at each cornet with the tails towards the center of the table. Hope this helps!
Sherm

[sth...@kaycasto.com]

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:53:22 AM UTC-4, Mark0 wrote:
> On Sep 24 2012 7:40 AM, sthomas wrote: > On Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:06:51 PM UTC-4, sth...@kaycasto.com wrote: > > There is a 9' Brunswick Balke Collender Monarch Cushion pool table in our basement. It was in the > house when we bought it, but it's too big for the space that it's in, so we want to sell it. It > needs some work. I have pictures but not sure how to post them here. The table has a metal plate on > the outer rail with the name on it, and there is another plate below on the side of the table with a > listing of patent dates, June 22, 1909 being the last.. There is a swivel cup that holds chalk > adjacent to this. I found a link to a table on eBay that looks like the same model as the table in > our basement, which sold for $2,237. Our table would need work to look like this. > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brunswick-Balke-Collender-MONARCH-Cushion-POOL-TABLE-Billiards-SNOOKER-9-/360423230109 > I would appreciate any help in identifying this and figuring out what a fair price would be, given > it's condition, or better still an offer. > > Okay, I posted photos to photobucket (I think). See if this works. > > http://s1078.photobucket.com/albums/w489/sthomas0/?start=all Well done. So you have an old boat frame, t-rail, leather pocket table. It needs new pockets (up to $250 to recover the original irons) it needs the veneer repaired and refinished (big bucks to have done right). Not enough detail under it to show if the slate is cracked but I'm willing to assume it's solid. Boat frames are pretty strudy but the t-rails are dead by modern comparison. My initiial $500 looks about right. Ask for more and settle for that Just because it's old, doesn't mean it's valuable. These were very common in the 19teens and 1920s. We had one we restored 25 years ago very much like this one (maybe even the same model (ours was a 1917 -- the date is stamped on the underside of the rails and sometimes on the slate). We recovered it with new cloth, had the veneer professionally restored and refinished, and had AE Schmidt (St Louis) recover the irons with new leather. We sold it installed with equipment for $2500. I don't think you can get your money for the restoration back out of this one -- you'll have to find a buyer that likes the nostalgia of it and wants to fix it up. Good luck. In my opinion, of course (but I know this stuff). --> Mark0 <-- Get: Secrets to a Perfect Pool Table Recovering Job http://www.mccauleyweb.com/secrets.htm $15 for RSB-ers =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Thanks for taking the time to look and respond.

[hlabrah...@gmail.com]

Have. 9. Ft. Brunswick - balke - col lender. Co. Snooker. Table. In. Very. Good. Condition. With. Mother. Of. Pearl. In. Lay. On. Legs. And. Down. Bottom under. Side. Never. Been. Recondition. Play. Regular.

[Mark0]

Go to Brunswick's web site and see if you can find an example of it.
Unfortunately snooker tables don't hold their resale value in the US as
well as pool tables...

[rav...@gmail.com]

Hello Mark it seems that you know a lot about this and I also have an old Brunswick Balke Collender Co. and after reading your answers following your advice and looking at some pool tables, I suspect it is one of this 2 models:

http://www.brunswickbilliards.com/our_rich_history/antique_tables/remington.html
http://www.brunswickbilliards.com/our_rich_history/antique_tables/wellington.html

I am also trying to sell it and here are some pictures:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/104799725059951279006/posts/PzMa2JScEmM

Your help will be really appreciated about the model and pricing

Thank you

[rav...@gmail.com]

[Mark0]

Sorry for the delay Rafael. There's so little pool content anymore that I
only check in periodically. The pics are so dark I can't tell much. It
looks like a standard boat frame model without a lot of frills. I notice
the side pocket irons are not screwed down (that's why they're drooping
down). There should be a screw hole on the bottom of the aprons (or rail)
that a machine screw is screwed into the tongue of the irons to keep them
perpendicular to the top of the rail. Without seeing the slate's
condition it's a bit of a crap shoot for me to guess a value -- and
geography plays a large role in value as well. All that said, I would
think in good playing condition (flat uncracked/repaired slate, good
cushions, new cloth, etc) it should fetch $650 to maybe as much as $1500
if tables are hard to come by in your geographic area.

Good luck

[melissa.m...@gmail.com]

Hello Mark; Hopefully you still check here periodically :) I work for a small educational non profit and we have been given a 1920s Brunswick-Balke-Collender Company 8 foot "Monroe" table. It's currently in New York and our school is in Rhode Island. We've been told that it has value (in NY) of $20k. We are being faced with the decision to move and store it (at a cost to us) until our annual auction, but need to be sure we can fetch a handsome price to make it worth that cost and effort to our small staff and a budget that largely comes from private philanthropy. I have a couple of pictures and will see if I can sort out how to post them here. Thank you!

[mcr...@gmail.com]

I was told by a Brunswick sales Representative, that mine is worth, $450,000.00 dollars, mine is in excellent shape, I remember when my father bought the house it was in 50 years ago.That is why he bought the house, he knew!

[mcr...@gmail.com]

Mine is 1901, and I have had pockets replaced, and bumpers, and a couple of the pearl diamonds. And the representative also said, its worth of $450 grand, or what someone would pay for it.

[bobbyvf...@gmail.com]

Please call me at 757-707-7956

[bishop...@gmail.com]

Not sure if you ever got this question answered, but that is the Brunswick Homewood.

[Najam G S]

Visit http://www.interpoolme.com/ then you can get price

[pwes...@gmail.com]

Fuck off my shit is1885 and I'm looking at700,000 mint.

[susand...@gmail.com]

I have a Brunswick Monarch that I am offering for sale. See the attached listing with 12 pics. If interested, please let me know at 202-256-6121. I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts on pricing too.

https://baltimore.craigslist.org/atq/6288685576.html

[Bill]

susand...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have a Brunswick Monarch that I am offering for sale. See the attached listing with 12 pics. If interested, please let me know at 202-256-6121. I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts on pricing too.

Maybe you could list it with the right auction house?


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> https://baltimore.craigslist.org/atq/6288685576.html