$100,000.00 EIGHT BALL South Padre Island Tournament
JoeyA
to play in the US Classic Billiards Tournament. It is for Amateurs only.
Some of you asked what criteria they are using for the definition of a pro.
THIS IS ONLY A PARTIAL LIST.
Call them to find out if you are on another list of
non eligible.
Edgar Acaba (Philippines)
Billy Aguero USA
David Alcaide (Spain)
David Alcoberro (Spain)
Leonardo Andam (Philippines)
Ian Anderson (Australia)
William Anderson (USA)
Johnny Archer (USA)
Fabrizio Baldassari (Italy)
Paul Bartlett (New Zealand)
Jeff Beckley (USA)
Niklas Bergendorff (Sweden)
Claude Bernatchez (Canada)
Bill Blanda (USA)
George Breedlove (USA)
Marc Buhler (Switzerland)
Francisco Bustamante (Philippines)
Lou Butera (USA)
J R Calvert (USA)
Brad Campbell (New Zealand)
Jeff Carter (USA)
Hao-Ping Chang (Republic of China)
Fong-Pang Chao (Republic of China)
Edward Charlton (Australia)
Wei-Chin Chen (Republic of China)
Nien-Hui Cheng (Republic of China)
Ming-Wei Chien (Republic of China)
Samuel Clemann (Switzerland)
Mike Coltrain (USA)
Louis Condo (Australia)
Fred Congelton (USA)
Glen Coutts (New Zealand)
Wade Crane (USA)
Giles Dan (USA)
Shannon Daulton (USA)
Kim Davenport (USA)
Peter De Groot (New Zealand)
Corey Deuel (USA)
Olaf Dibowski (Germany)
Rico Diks (Netherlands)
Ernesto Dominguez (USA)
Alexander Dremsizis (Germany)
Tommy Ebeling (Denmark)
Ralph Eckert (Germany)
Jim Ehrbar (USA)
Tony Ellin (USA)
Thomas Engert (Germany)
Vincent Facquet (Finland)
Jimmy Fusco (USA)
Hsiao-Lang Fang (Republic of China)
Juan Antonio Fernandez (Spain)
Greg Fix (USA)
Pat Fleming (USA)
Herbert Friedemann (Germany)
Ramil Gallego (Philippines)
John Galloway (USA)
Jose Garcia (USA)
Teddy Garrahan (USA)
Gunter Geisen (Germany)
Achim Gharbi (Germany)
Jayme Goodwin (USA)
Roger Griffis (USA)
Ralph Guest (USA)
Peter Haidinger (Germany)
Buddy Hall (USA)
Danny Harriman (USA)
Dennis Hatch (USA)
Grant Hayward (New Zealand)
Jimmy Henry (New Zealand)
Haruyoshi Hinokiyama (Japan)
Tang Hoa (USA)
Allen Hopkins (USA)
John Horsfall (USA)
David Howard (USA)
Larry Hubbart (USA)
Mike Hunter (Great Britain)
Mika Immonen (Finland)
Naoki Ishida (Japan)
Yasunari Itsuzaki (Japan)
Bernd Jahnke (Germany)
Sten Jarledahl (Sweden)
Greg Jenkins (Australia)
Jeremy Jones (Sweden)
Young-Hwa Jun (Korea)
Urban Karlsson (Sweden)
Shigeki Kenda (Japan)
Tommy Kennedy (USA)
Claudio Kerec (Germany)
Warren Kiamco (Philippines)
Won-Suk Kim (Korea)
Steve Knight (Great Britain)
Sjaak Kort (Netherlands)
Jon Kucharo (USA)
Richard Lacey (Spain)
Brian Landskind (Netherlands Antilles)
Stuart Lawler (Australia)
Mike Lebron (USA)
Byung Sup Lee (Korea)
Kun-Fang Lee (Republic of China)
Mika Lehtimaki (Finland)
Alex Lely (Netherlands)
Chris Lilly (Australia)
Antonio Lining (Philippines)
Yu-Hsu Lu (Republic of China)
Rodolfo Luat (Philippines)
Chris MacDonald (USA)
Stan Maffey (New Zealand)
Marco Marquez (Mexico)
Alain Martel (USA)
Rafael Martinez (Mexico)
Mike Massey (USA)
Grady Mathews (USA)
David Matlock (USA)
Masaki Matsuoka (Japan)
Steve McAninch (USA)
Keith McCready (USA)
Mario Meckmann (Spain)
Danny Medina (USA)
George Michaels (USA)
Steve Miller (Australia)
Joe Minici (Australia)
Steve Mizerak (USA)
Matsuyoshi Morishima (Japan)
Shuji Nagata (Japan)
Carmine Nanula (Italy)
Larry Nevel (USA)
Peter F. Nielsen (Denmark)
Greg Nyland (USA)
Akira Ohe (Japan)
Tatuhiro Ohmoto (Japan)
Takeshi Okumura (Japan)
Oliver Ortmann (Germany)
Ismael Paez (Mexico
Alex Pagulayan (Canada)
Jose Parica (Philippines)
Shi-Young Park (Korea)
Neil Patterson (New Zealand)
Fabio Petroni (Italy)
Reed Pierce (USA)
Surathep Poochalam (Thailand)
Paul Potier (Canada)
Dominik Proksch (Germany)
Peter Rahui (New Zealand)
Tobias Regossnig
Jimmy Reid (USA)
Phil Reilly (Australia)
Christian Reimering (Germany)
James Rempe (USA)
Efren Reyes (Philippines)
Mike Rinella (USA)
Eric Robaine (Finland)
Steve Robertson (New Zealand)
Tony Robles (USA)
Andreas Roschkowsky (Germany)
Luc Salvas (Finland)
Santos Sambajon (Philippines)
Michael Schmidt (Germany)
Wolfgang Schramm (Austria)
Kenji Sekikawa (Japan)
Hideo Shiraishi (Japan)
Ray Shultz (USA)
Anton Skalistiras (Great Britain)
David Smith (USA)
Luis Soria (Spain)
George San Souci (USA)
Ralf Souquet (Germany)
Don Steele (USA)
Harald Stolka (Germany)
Tom Storm (Sweden)
Earl Strickland (USA)
Kunihiko Takahashi (Japan)
Tiong-Boon Tan (Singapore)
Jesse Thehu (Netherlands)
Michael Tillman (Australia)
Takashi Toda (Japan)
Akikumo Toshikawa (Japan)
Scotty Townsend (USA)
Bob Vanover (USA)
Nick Varner (USA)
Howard Vickery (USA)
Andreas Vondenhoff (Germany)
Gerald Watson (USA)
Brent Wells (New Zealand)
Jorg Welsch (Germany)
Dallas West (USA)
Jimmy Wetch (USA)
Art Wiggins (USA)
C.J. Wiley (USA)
Charlie Williams (USA)
Mark Wilson (USA)
Ron Wiseman (USA)
John Wheeler (USA)
Richard Wolff (Aruba)
Ceri Worts (New Zealand)
Hisashi Yamamoto (Japan)
Ching-Shun Yang (Republic of China)
Tung-Tu Yang (Republic of China)
Lee Yeil (Korea)
Morihiro Yogi (Japan)
Gustavo Zito (Italy)
Klaus Zobrekis (Germany)
George McBane
>The following list is a partial list of pool players who will not be allowed
>to play in the US Classic Billiards Tournament. It is for Amateurs only.
>
>Tony Ellin (USA)
Sadly, I don't think Tony was planning to play anyway. Maybe he'll be watching.
-George.
sli...@partminer.com
eligible to play??
All kidding aside, thanks for the information, Joey.
- Steve Lipsky
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"JoeyA" <agu...@telocity.com> wrote:
> The following list is a partial list of pool players who will not be
allowed
> to play in the US Classic Billiards Tournament. It is for Amateurs
only.
>
> Some of you asked what criteria they are using for the definition of
a pro.
> THIS IS ONLY A PARTIAL LIST.
>
> John Horsfall (USA)
> Alain Martel (USA)
On behalf of my country: Hey! You've got enough pros of your own,
don't try to assimilate ours too.
Gideon (Canada)
Otto
Otto
Sorry, I forgot. It's only a partial list. I must be on the other part. ;>)
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JoeyA
Hope to see you there.
To any in doubt, CALL.
You don't want to be turned away at the door.
JoeyA
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JoeyA
JoeyA
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SRichar512
John Horsfall, Alain Martel, Luc Salvas and Gerry Watson are all from Canada
and we count Ron Wiseman as well.
Sheri
PS Horsfall won in Reno and Pagulayan came third.
John Collins
not professional players. Nor are they a lock to win in a race to four
against a lot of the players that probably will participating.
I wonder where they got their information???
John
"JoeyA" <agu...@telocity.com> wrote in message
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KB3559
>From: "JoeyA" agu...@telocity.com
>Date: 12/11/00 1:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
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You have got to be kidding me?? I am from the Northeast, and there are
numerous professionals that you have left off your list. Frankie Hernandez,
Danny Basavich, Robb Saez, Mike Zuglan, Scott Richardson...just to name a few,
there are tons more up here, as well as around the US. This IS NOT an amateur
tournament, it is a semi-pro, and professional tournament. I think their
criteria for making that list were for players who played on the Camel tour.
I'd like to see a very good A amateur player match up against Hernandez or
Zuglan, LOL...what a joke. No offense Steve Lipsky, but you are borderline
pro. I think the people putting this tournament together are COMPLETELY
misleading the amateurs out there. I was going to make the trip from NY, but
not now. It should be advertised as an OPEN tournament with semi-pro and
professionals allowed. If you want to make a list of top pro's that are not
allowed to play fine, but as you have it now, there WILL BE PRO's IN THIS
TOURNAMENT. KB.
JoeyA
maintains a list of professional pool players.
JoeyA
P.S. BTW you are invited John. It is only a weekend Friday Sat & Sunday
Feb 2-4.
If you are not on that list of professional pool players you should make
plans to attend. It is a short race and anyone can win a race to 4. It's
eight ball on 4 x 8 tables. The pocket size is generous, I am sure...
That would benefit someone who has an aiming system which might not be quite
as accurate as a laser beam.:-)
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JoeyA
BTW, Frankie Hernandez, Danny Basavich, Robb Saez, Mike Zuglan, Scott
Richardson...just to name a few, may be on the other LISTS.
Regards,
JoeyA
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sli...@partminer.com
Keep in mind that Joey prefaced this post by writing that it is only a
partial list. This part of the list may indeed have come from Camel
records. But, again, there's a larger list out there somewhere.
I wonder what your classifications are for professional status? Are
they based on:
1) Absence of another, permanent job?
2) Skill level?
3) Tournament placings / winnings?
While I can't speak for all of the players you mentioned, most of them
do have alternative means of employment. As to skill level, none of
the players you mentioned would make the top 75 list on the pro tour.
Where is your cutoff? Finally, as to tournament winnings or placings,
should someone that makes less than $10,000 a year from the game (as
I'd imagine most of the players you named would) not be considered an
amateur?
I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm just trying to see where
you're coming from. If you're comparing these players to the way YOU
play, that's something different than comparing these players to the
way a mid-level pro plays. And since the debate is about if the named
players are pros, one must compare them to the latter, and not the
former.
- Steve Lipsky
Entrepr7
>Date: 12/12/00 1:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
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Steve, I spoke to the lady running the tournament before i posted. I asked
her what her definition of an amateur is... and she didnt have one. She led me
to believe that the field was weak last year, saying a few women placed in the
money. I would say this though, all those players that I mentioned, and i
left out many, are professional pool players. Whether they are in the top 75
or not. Zuglan is not a top professional player in this country?? C'mon
Steve, I thought you were smarter than that, no offense. Who knows what the
definition of a pro player is? I don't. Just because you cannot compete on
the Camel Tour doesnt mean you are not pro. There are definitely more than 75
pro players in this country alone. Some are on a higher scale of pro, but on
any given day Frankie Hernandez, for example, can beat a Ginky, Rempe, or
Varner.
sli...@partminer.com
his name will appear on one of the lists to which Joey was referring,
even if it wasn't the list he published earlier.
My point was simply to ask what your criteria was in defining people
you feel should not be allowed to play. Your Supreme Court-ish "I know
them when I see them" is really not valid, in my opinion. It gives too
much power to the Tournament Director, and also naturally lends itself
to hometown favoritism. (The Texas-version of Mike Zuglan will
conveniently be left off the list.)
A standard must be set somewhere. It sounds as if the list they have
compiled (the whole list) does just that. Let's look at it before we
make judgments.
- Steve Lipsky